No.1695 [View All]
Do you think a pagan monarchy could possibly arise in Europe's future (or any other part of the world)?
Me personally, I think that if people were to go back to their roots in terms of political ideology, they should also go back to the spiritual/religious traditions of their ancestors. Since christianity is a semitic religion with exclusively semitic prophets it has no connection to Europe whatsoever. It would not make sense for an non-Hebrew king to claim that he rules by divine right if the god he worships is one created by Hebrews.
The only modern monarchy I know of that could be considered a pagan monarchy is that of Japan whose ruling family claims to be descended from the Shintoist sun goddess Amaterasu (Shintoism being the native religion of Japan). Before the end of WWII the emperor was considered to be a god-like being himself and was actually worshipped by some.
A monarch that is actually an important aspect of his people's religion would be hard to be overthrown and indeed, the Japanese royal family has ruled for thousands of years.
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No.2203
>>1695
Maybe if your VIKANG ancestors didn't kidnap white women and sell them to Kebabs, Europeans wouldn't have rejected your phony gods for God.
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No.2208
>>1987
>Christianity is more of a roman religion than the jewish heresy that it was when it first appeared.
>the civilization who created christianism (Roman Empire)
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No.2209
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No.2230
>>1695
> (or any other part of the world)?
Japan is a possibility. Mexican drug cartels might go for indigenous paganism / catholic syncretism if they gain power.
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No.2246
>>2209
>Not clicking on evidence contrary to your position
Pagans and atheists tbh
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No.2248
>>2246
so why Jews who were comtemporary to jesus did not recognize him as son of god? protip: because he did not fulfill all prophecies
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No.2249
>>2248
>so why Jews who were comtemporary to jesus did not recognize him as son of god?
Protip: Because jews are of their father the devil
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No.2251
>>2248
>All people are rational and care about objective evidence
>protip: because he did not fulfill all prophecies
Can you name one He did not fulfill?
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No.2252
>>2251
Where are my 1000 goyim slaves??? checkm8 christians
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No.2255
>>2252
You're a funny guy. So, where is that prophecy written, and why do you think it wasn't fulfilled? Please write an essay of thirty words, you lazy bum.
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No.2257
>>2255
It is a prophecy that Rabbi Shekelberg added after debating G-d and winning. He wrote it in the T-LM-D. A book too holy for filthy goy eyes to read. Now go and toil the fields for the chosen!
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No.2259
>>2257
Well-worded argument, nigger. Care to enlighten us goyim, how does a Talmudic prophecy figure into the prophecies of Christ at all?
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No.2260
>>2259
That's racist. And even worse anti-semitic. I'll have to inform you that you are from now on prohibited to enter the UK for being a right wing radical terrorist. I hope you're happy now.
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No.2264
Let's be clear here:
All religions are false, and there is no god.
All supernatural deities are made up by mere mortal humans, and such gods are not ever actually seen, because they do not exist.
Just as Harry Potter used his wand to illuminate a dark room of the Hogwarts Castle, Jesus Christ darkened the sky with his death.
Yes, it was only written, never seen, except perhaps in cinematic movies, or other controlled settings.
But for us intelligent people here who are not in cults, we have the awareness to understand that most people do actually believe in a god, and the god they believe in is whichever god they grew up believing in, or were later indoctrinated to believe.
Let's not be naive here: Gods do not exist, nor do prophecies or miracles. This is a fool's conversation if the people here are actually going to believe this.
We say that the King is given a divine right so that the peasants do not ever dare say: "You ain't no king, you're just another mere mortal human, like the rest of us. How dare you try to have more power than the rest of us!"
It would lead to revolt, if the people ever dared question why it was the king who had power, and not one of the peasants.
Thus we delude the common peasant into thinking "God did it."
But again: There are naive people among us who think that these religions are actually true and real, and that the supernatural events of ancient books are true and real.
These people are not able to comprehend the true nature of the world, and will make mistakes when choosing a king. They will think that a king actually IS given divine right, and so once a king is chosen, the chooser will lose their sense of will, and not understand that the king is only a man.
Don't let yourself be tricked by popular cults.
When the Norse religions were popular, all believed.
When the Abrahamic religions became popular, all believed.
But they are not true.
This is a technological, scientific era, thus we can understand the true origin of these religions, and understand that they were made up.
The choice to believe or disbelieve is up to you.
I simply recommend you throw off your childish naivety when it comes to belief in ancient religious cults.
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No.2265
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>>2264
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand 'Religiots'. The salvation is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of 12 years public school and 2 decades university most of the prophecy will go over a typical childish religiots' head. There’s also Stirner's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Neil De Grasse Tyrone literature, for instance. The enlightened understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these fairy tales, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Materialism truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in Stirner's existential catchphrase “Gib me you stuff” which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Rabbi Prof. Weinberg's genius wit unfolds itselfin their minds. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂
And yes, by the way, i DO have a Bill Nye tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎
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No.2266
Do any of you see the irony of calling paganism dead while believing an ideology that can't survive this society's level of cultural progression?
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No.2267
>>2266
>cultural progression?
That's some nice marxist dialectic you have there kike
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No.2268
>>2267
Marxists hardly have a monopoly on the idea. Good luck trying to convince a modern population to prop up a leader and have his descendants lead by birthright. Even the fascists have a higher chance at achieving their goals by supporting meritocracy.
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No.2269
>>2268
>implying that meritocracy and Monarchy are mutually exclusive
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No.2270
>>2264
>all cults are baaaaad
>being a Christcuck is bad
>even Norse is teh dumb
>cast off your shackles and follow the new relig-…I-I mean the CORRECT and legitimate """ideology""" of equality
>if you don't believe in equality you are a heretic
>only blood can make things right
>All hail our earthly equality!
M'Comrade
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No.2271
>>2269
Controlling a kingdom because you have more resources than the peasants and being daddy's firstborn =/= meritocracy.
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No.2273
>>2264
All "good and bad" is false, there are but patterns and the distinction between multiple and singular is subjective.
C'mon, reductionism pulls the first rug from beneath you, not your enemies. Drinking your own poison won't make you respectable, it makes you a fool.
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No.2274
>>2271
>controling the kingdom because the subjects voluntarily gave their sovereignty to the King toooooooootaly means he didn't earn it
>true meritocracy comes from knowing a guy that knows a guy that has lots of money
>kings aren't smart enough to appoint the right guy to the job
>stoopid primative monarchits
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No.2275
>>2274
>controling the kingdom because the subjects voluntarily gave their sovereignty to the King toooooooootaly means he didn't earn it
Naturally choosing your leader from the best of the population is fine but as far as leadership is concerned it should be limited to the best man for the job not his son just by virtue of being born.
>true meritocracy comes from knowing a guy that knows a guy that has lots of money
Meritocracy as we see it today is shit because we live in a society concerned with materialism instead of the wellbeing of the people.
>kings aren't smart enough to appoint the right guy to the job
Even kings can be led astray and can have bias with who gets to control after they die, the temptation to ensure your bloodline stays in power is a strong one and shouldn't be decided by the king in this situation as far as the rest of the nation would be concerned.
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No.2279
>>2269
QFT.
At least in a monarchy you have a chance of not getting an egotistical power-hungry maniac. In a democracy, well, the only candidates are the ones who choose to be so, so it's guaranteed to be ruled by power-hungry maniacs.
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No.2293
>>2268
>convince a modern population
It's not a change done overnight, unless it is a military coup. Fascism is the first stage of retrieval towards such a system. Fascism inherits the disgusting idea of a political party.
What does a political party do? It is a body that selects from itself (through which means? Democratic?) representatives for causes, public and quite likely, those that are not. These representatives then gather magical energy from the people, also known as votes. The priest class - journalists - are largely in control over the fluctuation of this magical energy, so the political bodies have to deal with this priest class.
This priest class has made it certain that no revolts can occur. It has lulled the populations to such a state that they can be raped, pillaged and murdered and they won't raise an arm in protest.
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No.2294
>>2275
>Naturally choosing your leader from the best of the population is fine but as far as leadership is concerned it should be limited to the best man for the job not his son just by virtue of being born.
Why not? You want petty squabbling over the position of power, by those to whom power is all in all? Disgusting, you want a democratic hell.
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No.2348
>>2268
Meritocracy is a SPOOK.
There is no such thing.
It doesn't EXIST.
It is literally a social construct.
Ghostbusters!
>>1695
Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on monarchy. However, monarchy and religion have an important relationship. Religion and this understanding of power is what disciplines monarchs. It keeps them from becoming despots, outside of the notion of honor.
Pagan monarchy is unlikely, unless this civilization crumbles to dust. But Christianity and Western monarchy have a deep influence for centuries of political theory and theology. That is why it almost seems inseparable in the Western world, European monarchies and Christianity. I don't think paganism is to be scorned. It plays an immense role for the heritage of the public and shouldn't be discarded. A good monarchy should preserve the heritage of the public.
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No.2467
>>2268
The whold purpose of monarchy is to put the power in the hand of the best man in the kingdom. So trying to convince people to do anything is actually what we are against.
We don't care about common people. We care about the most intelligent one, that have a deep understanding of their suject, that could give the best choice.
THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY.
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No.3287
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No.3288
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Varg will help this thread.
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No.3289
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No.3298
>pagan
Christianity, the religion of the white men, is what brough civilization. And yet you try to destroy it, exacly like the jews you claim to hate.
Humm… >inb4 someone posts ((neo))christianity
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No.3300
Christ, King and Country tbh
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No.3302
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No.3602
I'd honestly like to see how pagans would redeem monarchy in their revival of civilization.
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No.3691
Reminder that being Anti-Pagan goes in line with accepting racemixing.
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No.3792
>>3602
watch legend of the galactic heroes
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No.3930
>>1951
I can't find the screencap I have against speaking in tongues. But essentially it's that it was only ever used to speak in faith to another person who speaks a language you do not know, not to yourself or God for there'll be no point.
Anyways here's a dump of everything I have on paganism and jews
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No.3931
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No.3932
>>3931
sorry for the large dump but this is the last one
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No.4531
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No.6679
>>1695
Get out of here you retard
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No.6681
>>1695
>Pagan Monarchy
Nobody is going to take your oriental obscurantism and make a government out of it. Could there be an atheist dictatorship in Europe in the future? Sure, you can build anything on the assumption that might makes right. Could that atheist dictatorship pretend to be Pagan? Sure, Hitler let that shit flourish when he ruled Germany.
The problem for Paganism is an existential one; Pagan gods represent emotions and the pathetic fallacy of primitives attaches these emotions to physical phenomena, like thunder, wind, rain, bitter cold etc. Meanwhile the civic gods like lady Justice are representations of human institutions.
In short, this isn't on the same existential level as the Christian God. Maybe Dionysus worship comes close to approximating Christ, in terms of how Dionysus destroys Pentheus (a figure of worldliness, pic related) for his censorious hypocrisy in refusing Dionysus worship. Thus Dionysus brings about the triumph of divine wisdom over the sordidness of human activity. Overall though, Christ outdoes Dionysus, both in terms of providing a more veristic, true to life narrative, and also in allowing himself to die for our sins, and triumph over death in a fully supernatural way, rather than the merely zoistic triumph of alcoholism and fornication over Pentheus' false moralism.
That's what's so funny about Pentheus in Eurypides' Bacchae btw. He's so censorious and against Dionysian rites, but when Dionysus suggests that Pentheus cross-dress to go to and observe the female worshipers, Pentheus goes along with it because he's sexually repressed. Thus it's deserved when his mother who's high on drugs rips him limb from limb, and Pentheus becomes a human sacrifice for his own evil.
As you can see, Christianity is certainly more civilized. It excoriates the Pharisees, people like Pentheus, without demanding their blood-sacrifice to appease God's anger. Instead God is seen as the only sacrifice pure enough to heal a world which is infected with the spirit of hypocrisy and evil.
So in short, given that western culture views blood-sacrifice as an alien and savage custom, the answer is that Paganism is definitely not returning.
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No.6682
With the chain of tradition severed for more than a thousand years, Paganism is long dead and any attempt to resurrect it will result in an odd and bastardized pagan protestantism.
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No.6711
I wish the romans has genocided you snow niggers - oh wait you are not snowniggers, just normal niggers.
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No.6712
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No.7180
>>1695
A Tengriist Kaganate in Central Asia and Mongolia would be comfy. Would join 11/10
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No.7191
>>7180
Tengri biz menen, fellow central asiaboo
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No.7213
>>7191
>A fren !
Yes, Tengri biz menen friend. Hope you are in good health. Have a good day ;)
Also great pic. Saved.
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