No.10361 [Last50 Posts]
Why do you think that mecha seems to fail so horribly in the west? In the Early 2000s they made Megas XLR. The writing was fun, and it helped alleviate the low budget animation. It still got canned despite being decently popular.
Then years later Sym-bionic titan came along. It had actually good animation and it was a pretty good, if vanilla, super robot show. It also got canned despite having a decent viewership and it got even less episodes than Megas, which ended with the series being rushed towards a conclusion.
Then we have Pacific Rim, which also was decent, but it got panned critically, and people hated it for reason ranging from "not being realistic" to "being dumb".
Why do you think the genre just doesn't stick in the west despite other cartoons being made with clear anime genres influence?
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No.10364
Got any figures on merch sales? If it does decently but doesn't sell toys or other merch, then the plug will be pulled sooner rather than later.
As with Pacific Rim, it's getting a sequel. So it didn't do as badly as your trying to make it out to be.
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No.10407
Probably because cartoons in the west can't reach the target audience of teens who would really appreciate Mecha shows
Also super robot a shit and real robot would never fly as a kid's show in the west
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No.10410
>>10407
>Also super robot a shit
I'm gonna breastfire-cook your ass, you two-bit Takahashisucker
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No.10420
>>10410
>I'm gonna breastfire-cook your ass, you two-bit Takahashisucker
only on /m/ .
I love you all.
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No.10796
Pacific Rim was a huge fucking success. It's one of the best hollywood action flicks of the last few years (along with Avengers 1 and Mad Max IMO) and it did great in the box office iirc.
As for the others, I dunno.
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No.10799
>>10796
At least globally. Not so well in the states. Still sold gangusters in China.
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No.10819
>>10361
Didn't CN's owner have a beef with SBT's creator, leading to it's cancellation?
Shame either way, that show looks really cool.
>>10407
>Super robot a shit
That's a funny way of spelling Real Robot, gaylord.
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No.10825
>>10819
Both Megas AND Sym-bionic titan died due to CN fuckery, and not necessarily ratings.
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No.10827
>>10819
Speaking of CN, I remember the used to air Gundam in the early 2000's. They haven't seem to have aired it since then, is there any reason for that?
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No.10828
>>10827
there's been a growing trend in the cable world to shy away from spending money to rent a show from somebody as opposed to investing an ownership stake in original programming
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No.10829
If I remember the rumor about Big O season 3, was that Tim & Eric threatened to quit if they didn't get that money. So they ended up with the money that would've funded season 3.
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No.10832
>>10827
CN stopped airing "violent" cartoons after 9/11. They've started rerunning some of them over the years, but the never picked the old anime back up.
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No.10856
>>10361
Because western animation is garbage. Bunch of lazy as shit noodle arm doodles a 6 year old could do better. A big part of the appeal of Mecha is how cool and detailed they look and move, which you can't convey with phoned in half assed crap made in Flash in an afternoon.
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No.10871
Downloaded battletech anime from battletech general of half chan.
What I am in for?
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No.10872
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No.10873
>>10856
>Because western animation is garbage. Bunch of lazy as shit noodle arm doodles a 6 year old could do better.
Aside from Monkey Team Hyperforce, I don't think there has a been a western mecha made in Adventure Time/Steven Universe style.
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No.10875
>>10871
QUALITY!
The show did not age well at all.
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No.10880
>>10872
>>10875
I am well aware of that.
Are they fun enough to bust stress since I have heard there is troll ending.
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No.10886
>>10880
Enhanced imaging is awesome. It's cheese, but hilarious cheese, and actually looks better than the silly 2d mechs. Which is amazing since the 3D is really bad.
But yes, fun, and one hell of a troll ending.
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No.11496
So i was rewatching static shock last night and THIS popped up in one of the episodes, i found it pretty amusing and it also surprised me since i missed this episode when i was a little lad, i was not ready for this at all. Any other eastern mecha references in western works? this could be a interesting topic, i know that megas XLR is full of references but what about other shows?
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No.11504
>>11496
There is an upcoming Nick cartoon, in which the main char has a little mishmash between Mazinger and Great.
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No.11505
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No.11507
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No.11556
More of an overall genre reference than a specific one, but in Dexter there is a time they go to Japan and have to fight a Toho style monster using a giant robot made out of 4 color coded vehicles. The mecha is called the Multi-Formic Megabot and the monster is like a mix between Godzilla and Guiron.
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No.11579
>>11556
didn't that ep have a star wars reference in it as well, specficially a homage to the tow cable thing they tried on the AT-ATs in empire
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No.11793
Well each "failed" western series seems to have their own story.
Megas XLR was doing great, and was even breaking ratings records till CN started moving it around. http://georgekrstic.blogspot.com/2010/04/megas-faq-anniversary-edition.html
>Truth be told, CN shut us down, and not the other way around as some fans have conjectured. As to why, the new brass didn't feel that we were speaking to the audience they were interested in reaching, even though we were actually breaking records - until they started moving us around.
>Not sure if they ever did find that demo they were hunting for…maybe those live-action series did it for them?
Sym-Bionic Titan was apparently fucked before it began.
>Cartoon Network bought into the show for one reason, and when they got it, their mind changed on what they wanted the show to be. I sold it as an action show combined with a John Hughes comedy. Teenage issues and characters with amazing action, and that’s what they bought. But as we started making it, they were making Ben 10 and Generator Rex, and they wanted it to be that. And there was no way I was going to make that type of show. So they didn’t really push or support the show, we didn’t get a toy license, and that was it. It didn’t get numbers because they didn’t promote it the right way, and we didn’t get the audience that we really needed.
http://www.wired.com/2012/10/hotel-transylvania-genndy-tartakovsky/
The toy thing really seemed to bite them in the ass.
>Titan got competitive ratings with other action shows, but what shut it down was it didn’t have enough toys connected to it. If you don’t have the [toy sales], the studios don’t want to renew for another season.”
Pacific Rim, I don't have source for, but the rumors are that WB didn't give the show a big marketing push and wanted it to fail as a "fuck you" to Legendary.
I don't know why shows like Exosquad, and Big Guy got canned though. It does seem that it's less of a problem with audiences than it is audiences though.
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No.11859
>>11793
>audiences than it is audiences
Do you mean producers for the second part? And Megas could be genuinely funny even if you didn't care for that style of robot, so of course it would do well.
>Pacific Rim
Legendary and WB seemed to be going through a tiff at the time, that is likely the source of that rumor.
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No.11860
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No.11970
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>>10832
>>10827
Even after 9/11 they still aired gundam up to like 05 I think
It was mostly the classic American intro gundam shit
Wing,G the only UC shit we got was 8TH MS Team
Not even fucking Charrs Counter Attack
Fucking mudslimes
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No.11973
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>>10407
Also Real Robot could work in the west CN used to have Star Wars the Clone Wars air and that show dealt with war drama and also had mass death on screen.
Though I dont know what the show would be about its just Toy sales and the fact CN who used to have the perfect balance of action and comedy cartoons is gone now.
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No.11994
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>>11970
The original Gundam was airing when 9/11 happened and they yanked it and put it in a bad time slot to kill it. We also got 0080, 0083, and Char's Counter attack. 0083 was Adult Swim along with Char's Counter Attack.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Adult_Swim#Syndicated_programming
Just search for Gundam.
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No.11997
>>11973
It could be done, it just isn't likely for an original IP. People forget that mechs function a lot like how people handled laser blasts in SW which is make death very clean.
The reasons it won't be done is because it would be risky, and corporate fucks that would be needed to fund it would never get behind it. They are more about dumbing shit down and keeping things as safe as possible. You would have to do what Tomino did, or prove there was an audience before hand, to get backers.
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No.12000
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>>11994
Fuck Toonami can hype any anime.
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No.12002
>>12000 (Checked)
Too bad Toonami is total garbage nowadays.
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No.12003
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>>12000
Toonami back in the day, could just hype period
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No.12004
>>12003
>Optimus Prime saying humans are futile
Shit shattered glass before it even was out
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No.12007
>>11973
I remember that show. Whenever it focused on the clones, heavy shit went down. They also got mauled down on screen a lot. Too bad CN has become such shit with all its "lolrandom xD" shows.
>>11994
I fucking hate that. I understand 9/11 was a big thing that changed a lot of things, but the whole taking down violent cartoons seems weirdly out of place.
>>12000
>>12003
They sure could. The way they hyped the Big O was fucking great.
>>12002
This is fucking retarded. They should go to shows that do not go into the hundreds and that are actually good. Also, they should have a time slot earlier than fucking 12 to 3 am. Nobody wants to stay up till 3 am to watch fucking Attack on Titan.
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No.12009
>>12007
>Nobody wants to stay up until 3 am to watch attack on shitan
14 year old me would have and sadly that's the demographic. Casuals and normies ruining everything etc.
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No.12021
>>12002
>Kill la Kill part of the same block as Attack on Titan, Naruto, Sword Art Online, and Dragon Ball. This is so perfect.
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No.12023
>>12002
>Attack on Titan
>SAO
>Naruto
What the fucking hell is this shit? I don't even watch non-mecha anime but even somebody like me knows those shows are total garbage.
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No.12024
>>12023
Let's be honest here, Toonami is disliked by CN. I doubt they have close to the budget they had before and have to scrape to get shows.
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No.12025
>>12024
>Toonami is disliked by CN
It doesn't even air on CN anymore, it airs on Adult Swim now.
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No.12026
>>12025
>Let's be honest here, Toonami is disliked by Turner Broadcasting System. I doubt they have close to the budget they had before and have to scrape to get shows.
Happy now?
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No.12027
>>12023
>>12024
>>12025
>>12026
At least Naruto is entertaining to watch out of the three
The other two are just too bad.
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No.12028
>>12007
>but the whole taking down violent cartoons seems weirdly out of place.
The stopped airing Pokemon and banned a couple of episodes simply because one had buildings being destroyed by a giant Tentacruel and the other had the episode title "Tower of Terror" and was about Ghost types
Post 9/11 censorship was just an experiment to see how far mass media could push censorship, really.
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No.12037
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No.14924
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>>10361
You guys are young or casual for not knowing Exo Squad
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No.14925
>>14924
Oh shit, I remember seeing this show a few times on late time slots in my country. This is probably the first time I've even thought about it in years.
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No.15062
>>14925
there are torrents of the full series floating around
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No.15082
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Sym biotic titan?
the show thats known for this?
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No.15090
>>15082
I want to know the context of this, but at the same time I know that it'll probably just make it worse.
Wtf man
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No.15091
>>15082
>No
I gotta agree with him.
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No.15094
>>15090
Vapid cheerleader attempts to seduce nerd in order to get him to do her homework.
Fails, because the nerd is a disguised robot
Gets actual tutoring and becomes slightly better person
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No.15095
>Why do you think that mecha seems to fail so horribly in the west?
Because western normies associate all mechs with Power Rangers and Transformers which are marketed at kids.
If I'm describing something like Armored Core to a person, the last thing I'll mention is that it's focused on giant robots, otherwise they'd switch off immediately.
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No.15096
>>10832
They used to air Eureka 7 on Adult Swim, but I haven't had cable for years so I dunno if they still do.
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No.15102
>>15082
I once showed Sym-bionic titan to my nieces and nephews. They loved it, so I made a DVD for them. And forgot all about this episode.
My brother was not happy.
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No.15107
>>15095
Transformers actually has a pretty sizable adult fanbase.
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No.15108
>>15107
Yes, but it is primarily marketed towards kids in the west.
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No.15157
>>12000
Toonami was great. The beat music for the background of that add does seem extremely westernized, but I think toonami had some skill there. After all, j-pop probably wouldn't appeal to 8-25yo american boys and nerds
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No.16510
>>15157
Is it just because of language-barrier-related issues, or would there be other reasons why they wouldn't be popular with the 8-25yo American boys and nerd demographic you mentioned?
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No.16519
>>15157
Toonami still exists, but it's on way too late at night and airs garbage now.
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No.16523
>>15107
Manchildren don't count.
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No.16524
>>16523
>Manchildren
A lot of them are women actually
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No.16527
>>16524
>A lot of them are women
Bullshit unless they are masturbating to Soundwave
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No.20562
>>15091
He was my favorite character on the show.
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No.20576
>>16527
They're actually masturbating to Starscream.
I'm not kidding.
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