/loomis/ - Art Gains

I personally prefer the Wacom Intuos5/pro. It's just a solid tablet that does what I need it to do. The touch features and extra buttons are fairly worthless because everyone uses their keyboard for shortcuts and a mouse should be on your desk anyway.

I've used Cintiq tablets but they're fairly overhyped. You draw on a surface that isn't directly over the screen so it feels like you're not connecting with what you're drawing. It's like pointing at a map at a museum but your finger hits the protective glass before reaching its destination. Your aim is slightly off and while you can calibrate it, the same problem still creeps up. For me it wasn't very ergodynaymc and regular tablets keep me in a more upright position. A minor thing is that it's kinda annoying seeing your hand all the time. When working traditionally you tend to hold your brush at its end and this lets you see around where you're painting however the way you hold a Wacom pen doesn't allow you to do that so you're stuck having your hand cover part of the screen.

From talking to other artists, it looks like the preference between the Intuos and Cintiqs mostly comes down to how you approach your work. People that prefer drawing tend to use Cintiqs and those that go for a painterly approach use Intuos. This isn't always the case but it's a trend I've noticed. A lot just comes down to personal preference

>>1809

I was thinking about this huion tablet. http://www.amazon.com/Huion-H610PRO-Painting-Drawing-Graphics/dp/B00GIGGS6A

>>1809

I just wish it was wired instead of wireless. Can it be used wired?

>>1814

The Huion I posted does have a wireless function I believe. The H610 doesn't though as far as I'm aware. I remember I bought this tablet for a friend and tried it out a little. It seemed pretty good, but honestly if you can save your money a larger tablet like the one I have or the new Huion Giano I posted is ideal. Drawing on small tablets is a lot like having the sensitivity on your mouse cranked up high.

>>1815

Ah okay, I was just worried about latency from the wireless. The Giano is on sale for 120$ which is affordable and I also found this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Huion-Digital-Graphic-Tablets-Drawing/dp/B00L9VBF9O

It's a touch bigger but still not as big as the Giano.

>>1818

Having a tablet as large as I do changes everything. There's something to be said for being able to put your entire arm into every line you make. If the Giano doesn't end up being a huge piece of shit for other reasons like driver issues and so on it will definitely be the best non-cintiq tablet on the market, dollar for dollar.

>>1826

Man I hope it works out okay then. I really need a new tablet and wanted a fuckhuej one without breaking the bank over it.

>>1827

It starts shipping out mid-january supposedly so I'd hold off until the reviews start coming in.shortly thereafter.

Personally I'm waiting for them to announce a new Cintiq Companion which should be within the next couple of months. I want to be able to draw outside and at work and stuff.

>>1805

I heard you can just take the screen protector off of a Cintiq with absolutely no problems other than greasing up the screen over time with skin oil. That can be fixed by just wearing one of those half-gloves.

>>1828

It is on sale for only 120$. I don't think it will still be on sale after release.

I've been wondering this since I see that tablets have pressure, but do tablets also have things like rotation and shit with the pen? Like for example if I was using a brush and I wanted to make a solid, fat line on my canvas with one brush and then rotate it so I could brush a little gentle brush? I'm trying to learn how to do painting digitally now and I want something that makes me feel like I'm using a brush and not a pen.

>>1832

A lot of wacom's tablets do have rotation and so on as far as I'm aware, but not all. I honestly couldn't tell you which particular ones do, unfortunately.

>>1826

I never actually had another tablet, but the more I use it, the more I realize how important size is.

I'd actually prefer not having sensitivity at all if it meant not having to use a smaller tablet.

The most important thing to consider is if it runs flawlessly with the software you're gonna use.

>>1834

There's a mini wacom bundled with Artrage 4 Lite, I did try the demo using a mouse and I thought it could be useful but the way to try to make different strokes is a bit difficult. I'm unsure if that one does or not especially since it comes bundled with a painting program.

>>1834

I know my intuos 4 has tilt sensitivity.

The problem is pressure sensors go in the direction of the tip, so if tilt you have to press a lot harder, unlike with real pencil or brush.

>>1839

There's also the problem with stylus tips wearing out.

It's not that bad if you don't care about tilt sensitivity, but if you do tilt it and the tip wears out unevenly you get a lot of irregular scratching and resistance.

>>1837

>just starting with a small tablet

>feel like learning to draw with such a tiny tablet is going to fuck me over in the long run

>can't afford a bigger one

>see posts like this

I even had a much bigger one at first, but it was a Monoprice and I could not for the life of me get it to actually work due to shitty drivers, so I ended up returning it and getting a tiny Wacom instead for the same price.

>>1842

Solution:

draw with pencil

scan

color with tablet

>>1843

>scan

Don't scanners cost more money than tablets? Plus I really don't feel like having to deal with physical supplies, and correcting mistakes is a bitch on paper, etc etc.

>>1846

>correcting mistakes is a bitch on paper

For the purpose of learning this is perfect.

>Don't scanners cost more money than tablets?

Depends on the tablet.

If you don't have one you can just use a camera and retrace it.

It's not so much about the detail and more about getting the gesture down without being hampered by ergonomics.

There's even some pros who still use this workflow.

>>1847

>However some people can do great things with them-it's just an uphill battle

This is also true.

We're just talking about the ideal environment.

When digital art was in it's infancy people still made amazing stuff with hardware that would be considered toasters today.

>>1849

Yeah I think on the software side of things Peter Mohrbacher uses Photoshop cs2 or something ridiculously old like that to this day. I'm often surprised to find that a lot of artists I admire have worse or even far worse equipment and software than I do (though I think Mohrbacher might be a bad example because if I recall correctly he draws traditionally and then scans it in).

>>1851

>Yeah I think on the software side of things Peter Mohrbacher uses Photoshop cs2 or something ridiculously old like that to this day.

I'm not surprised.

Photoshop hasn't added any substantial features for illustrators in the past 10 years.

It's not like there's nothing left do add either.

Last time I checked you still required third party tools to get a decent color picker.

Look at Krita with their new instant preview feature.

They had decades to come up with something similar.

>>1853

I think that at the pace Krita's been improving in 5 years commercial digital painting software will be obsolete.

>>1854

Krita is fucking amazing. I tried it like a year or so ago and hated it, then tried it again a few days and and it immediately became my favorite program. They really have been improving a shitload.

>>1855

A year ago it barely worked on my high-spec laptop but now it's great. It's come a long way. I can't wait for animation to be integrated (I've tried the beta but it seems to make it run a little slow again for me).

>>1813

I have one, it's nice.

>>1826

>>1827

I got a 610 Pro. The drivers now come with a CD. You just have to uninstall your previous Wacom driver in order for it to work. Mine was called "Bamboo".

>>1809

Is there an update on this now that it's out? Is it good?

>>2575

It's fantastic; best traditional-style tablet

>>3015

>The only problem why i can't get large size tablets that my table is too small and its the only table that fits on my room.

I'm not joking when I say I think it would be worth investigating how to build your workspace around that tablet.; feng shui that shit, nigguh!

>>1805

>You draw on a surface that isn't directly over the screen so it feels like you're not connecting with what you're drawing.

This is why I love drawing on the iPad, the laminated display makes it look like the image is right there on top of the glass.

>>4483

The apple pencil looks pretty cool but in general I'm pretty content with my Intuos Large and 17-inch laptop. There's no persistent cursor with the apple pencil so I feel like it'd be worse in some ways than a Wacom-type stylus when it comes to doing really precise stuff.

>>4484

Yeah, it's really neat, but there really aren't that many reasons to get it over a normal drawing tablet. I use it for drawing because I already got one for work. It would be pretty hard justifying the price if you were to use it only for drawing. That said it does a lot of things really well and you can even connect it to a computer to use it with desktop programs.

Is it better to get a tablet with a screen? I bought a $10 tablet and couldn't manage the hand-eye coordination required to draw without looking at my hand. I'm not sure if it's my fault or the shitty tablet.

>>4489

>$10 tablet

Is that a joke?

Of course it's the tablet

Either get the $160 Huion Giano or get an Intuos Large 4+ used for $300 or so. You can't be expected to draw on a surface that's an 8th the size of the display you're using it with. Also you probably suck balls at drawing in general so there's that; no offense.

>>4492

>Also you probably suck balls at drawing in general so there's that; no offense.

Just to elaborate, I do too. I just think that it's important we not pin our relative ability or inability to the products we're using, with some caveats of course. If you can't afford a good tablet you should absolutely be sticking to pencil and paper for now.

Random technical question. I've been trying to calibrate my X200T panel and it seems I can't get it perfect, mostly because of the top-right. Is there some sort of automatic parallax correction or is it just iffy? At least it's fine towards the main drawing area with whatever program I'm using.

>>4732

I have no idea what that is my man. I personally wouldn't trust any other brand than Wacom and to a significantly lesser extent Huion.

Also drawing on a screen is an awful meme. I bought a Surface Pro 4 recently and it's shit.

>>4734

It's probably Krita. It's a very unoptimized program meant for linux or super computers running windows. I would try photoshop or clip studio paint

>>4735

I'm not buying that. It's about how the tablet maps to the screen.

>>4734

I don't really get what I'm supposed to see with those tails.

>Also how do you draw with a screenless tablet?

You look at your computer screen and draw. It takes some time to get used to, but after all you don't look at your mouse either.

>>4738

I start drawing at the peak of the black triangles, or endpoint of the lines on the edge of the screen. It's a calibration check on the start point.

>no screen

You have to rely on the cursor and sort of understand where it'll go? Maybe it is something you can learn but it sounds hard to draw from reference lines.

>>4739

Just look at the cursor. No need to understand or do any computation, just like your mouse, but it does require some draughtmanship training.

It's pretty great once you've gotten used to it, because you don't have anything getting in your way: no hand, no pencil, just your line.

I'd wager you would have less calibration problems too, because you'd just need to move your cursor at the right place.

>it sounds hard to draw from reference lines.

No reference lines involved.

>>1810

I have this one and can recommend it from a drawing standpoint. But the USB ports of the tablet and the pen are disasters and I expect a breakdown at one point.

What about software? I don't wanna use Photoshop for anything but final touches and polishing, and Corel Draw seems really fucking complicated.

I hear good things about ArtRage, anyone uses that? Any torrents?

>>4837

Krita is ok and free. It's a pain in the ass to find good brushes for it though. Its interface sucks but it's one of the best art programs out there right now.

www.krita.org

Photoshop is legitimately good, there's no good reason not to use it if that's what you have tbh, unless you're into animation. Its timeline is terrible.

>>4838

>It's a pain in the ass to find good brushes for it though

You can make them yourself though. The engine is pretty complete.

>Photoshop doesn't support touch input on tablet pcs

What a load of nigger shit, this fucking company really went to the dogs.

Is GIMP still a meme or did they finally catch up?

>>4853

GIMP is awful for drawing/painting and I kind of doubt it supports touch as well tbh. Look into Clip Studio Paint.

>>4854

>CSP has customizable 3D models for pose referencing

This is fucking amazing

>>4855

Consider trying out the chalk brush in csp (p; in pastels) It's basically what the pencil brush should be

>>4854

GIMP supports tablets, but Krita is beter for drawing.

>>4856

I fuckin' love that brush. Only one I use for gestures.

I have an Intuos 5 small (got it for free) and got a Huion 1060Plus for a larger drawing space. The wacom is the "better" tablet, but for drawing, the larger surface space of the Huion makes up for it. Also it cost me $70 CAD with free shipping. The build quality isn't bad at all, it just lacks some of the stuff you get used to on wacom. ie. eraser, touch circle, and battery free stylus. You get used to it after a short while.

>>4734

>>4738

I find it's a lot easier to do it when your tablet and screen are in the same orientation. I'll set my tablet on my laptop keyboard and bend the screen back sometimes.

Is it worth the convenience to get the wireless kit for intuos tablets?

>>5413

I've had it for years and never really found a reason to use it. I have my tablet on my desk, my computer is right there so the cable works fine. I don't like having the tablet in my lap but even if I did, the cable would work. I think if you go out and do demos at events, maybe it can be useful if your monitor is far away from the computer so wireless would work.

If you can think of a reason to use it, go ahead but I haven't really found one

>>5413

Save for a fucking real screen tablet/computer. This intuos shit is fucking dogshit no matter what you do to it.

>>5413

Absolutely not. I bought one and I never use it. I don't know when I would ever conceivably use it either. I played myself.

>>5519

Intuos Large is great. Literally every single other one sucks though, yeah. Screen tablets are a meme though, unless you get the enormous ones. Why would you want something smaller than the screen you're already using?

Niggers, is there a way to not be jewed by wacom and get a replacement pen for an intuos5 s that isn't 80 bucks?

>>5638

>((((WACOM resellers))))

Nope, you're fucked.

The Huion Giano and the Intuos Large are the only tablets that are worthy of existing at this point. The Intuos Small is garbage, the Intuos Medium sucks, the Cintiqs are overpriced.

Krita is excellent if you just spend a little time with it. MyPaint is a fine option, too.

New Fag here at what point do I need to get a tablet? Should I just keep working in my actual skills on paper or does it not matter?

>>5705

You can and should get a tablet ASAP, just don't settle for a shitty one. Get either the Huion WH1409 or the Wacom Intuos Large so you can have decent control the extra money is well worth it.

(It'd be even worth getting a part time job specifically for that purpose and putting your two weeks notice in almost immediately if necessary)

>>5707

In the mean time you should definitely stick with pencil and paper though, yeah

>>5713

Work extra hours to get something good (or start working, period-at least for a time). With the time you waste fuggin' around with a piece of sh*t tablet even the most expensive Cintiq model will have paid itself off in a few weeks' time and I'm not even joking.

Get a used Intuos 4+ Large my dude

I have a surface book. I never hear it recommended or talked about for drawing. Is it utter shit? Vastly overpriced for what it's worth? Or just the all-in-one/microsoft lock-in turns people off?

>>5912

Never heard of it; is that the most recent model of the Surface?

>>5912

>I never hear it recommended or talked about for drawing

Like you guessed, it is expensive relative to what you get. I think if your a person who needs the multifunctionality and portability then it is a decent option. It has direct competition from the ipad pro which is cheaper even after adding in an apple pen and keyboard. You can also find pre-owned cintiq 22hd's for the price of the ipad package and I've seen new 22hd's go for the same price as the surface.

Do tablets ever get marked down in price or go on sale? Looking to get a Huion Giano and it'd be nice to save a few bucks. What makes tablets so expensive anyways?

>Do tablets ever get marked down in price or go on sale?

Not typically. The Giano went on sale on the week or so BEFORE it came out but that hasn't happened since. I wouldn't worry about saving ten or twenty dollars man just get it over with honestly. The time your spending waiting on getting started is way more valuable than what little money you could conceivably save.

>>5941

> What makes tablets so expensive anyways?

the demand

buy them used if you're a beginner

>>5942

>>5944

I took your guys' and got a refurbished giano. It seems to work fine, except the pen only works if its plugged in. I'm not sure what the problem is, I've tried reinstalling drivers to no avail.

>>6000

Bizarre. Send it back fam, that isn't normal

>>6001

Actually scratch that: buy a new huion stylus pen ($20~I'm guessing what's happening is the battery in the pen is defective so it's needing to constantly be plugged in to maintain a charge.

>>6004

It turns out you were right anon, it was the pen. Got a new pen and it works fine now.

>>6152

Good to hear, dude. I probably should have suggested you request that they just send you one because I feel like they would have if you asked, however $20 isn't a big deal, doing so might have been more trouble than it's worth.

>>5523

Because you can do the dimension mapping and map it to a part of your 4k screen?

>>6269

That sucks though, then you have to put your stylus down and use your mouse for a ton of stuff.

Also I take back what I said about the Cintiqs, I bought the 27 QHD to try it out and it sucks balls just as I kind of expected. I really hope I find a buyer for it because it's just going to be sitting here otherwise. fml

Nice

>>7966

ouch

I've saved up enough money for a cintiq pro 16 and I was planning to buy it but after reading this thread I'm not even sure anymore. I already own a small intuos draw and have no difficulty with eye-hand coordination but if the cintiq is really that bad I'm considering upgrading my current tablet to intuos pro large along with a flicker-free monitor (~ Asus PB287Q). What's best?

>>7987

It would probably be best to hold off on purchasing the Cintiq 16 unless you can get a hold of one to use for awhile without having to commit to the purchase. I guess it also depends on how strong the resale value is on them and how much you would be willing to sell it for second hand.

>>7987

The biggest downside of the intuos large is its enormous desktop footprint. Many people often have to plan on upgrading or otherwise rearranging their entire desk setup to accommodate one, including buying a narrower keyboard, a monitor arm if necessary etc., but I personally think it's worth it-just make sure to measure everything out.

>>7989

That's one of the worst things about the Cintiqs, they lose more of their resale value over time than the models that aren't tied to an increasingly deprecated display do.

>>8328

I was actually hoping they'd make something like that and had mentioned a cheap, larger tablet with no keys as a hypothetical product being something ideal for a beginner. Looks sexy from the picture but I'd have to look more into it

>>8331

I meant to say, I'd actually want it to be substantially bigger of course. This looks like a Medium size which is okay, but not super desirable.

>>8334

I've spoken quite a bit in this very thread why I prefer the large size. Long story short the large is better than the medium for the same reason the medium is better than the small. The difference in price between the two, considering not only the many, many years of use you'll get out of it but its enduring resale value, is well worth it regardless of one's experience level.

>>8335

Thanks for the explanation. I am now trying to get my hands on a Huion Giano, but nobody is willing to ship it to my hellhole. Might invest into an Intuos Large instead.

>>1809

I got it

it is good

>>8997

Yeah I'd say that while it's a little worse than the Intuos Large it's the best for the money for sure. I was hoping they were going to make an updated similar model but it seems like that isn't part of their plan.

>>9042

anon, those are dying off

it is all flash now, so you can put your laptop anyway you want

>>9040

How would it ruin it? It's just elevated and at like a 20 degree angle

I was recently tossing up getting a Huion Gt-220 v2 or a Wacom Cintiq 13hd (or I might bite the bullet and shell out for the larger wacoms), has anyone actually had any experience with these? All I'm finding are 'sponsored videos' and shills for anything Huion and mixed feelings on Wacom.

>>9050

I've had a pretty bad experience with every Cintiq that I've used.

For me, the 12WX and the massive 27 QHD both suffered from completely random pressure sensitivity spikes in photoshop that made the tablet practically un-usable as well as a problem where the line starts out straight even if you're drawing a curve in others. This was across several generations of operating system, drivers, software and computer hardware. Inexcusable.

They also both were not color calibrated correctly. Wacom generously sells a $300-400 accessory that fixes this problem, though (nah bro, nah). Since you mentioned the 13HD I've heard that it also has bad colors from a customer in the shop I work at. She brought it up almost completely out of the blue while we were talking about my own tablet I was using at the time so I can imagine this was important to her. I still remember when I did a painting of Andrew Jackson on my 12WX and it looked like his skin was fucking yellow on every other monitor in the world. Don't take my word for it though, do your research.

I use the Intuos Large now and I will never take a chance with a screen tablet again. I don't even like the fuckers to begin with honestly. With this I feel like I have as much or more control and can maintain a better posture besides. I've tried the larger model Ipad and Apple Pencil in 2017 and I can say that it does have potential. I returned it due to its limited software support though. Something to consider if you're really interested in drawing on a screen.

How are you supposed to have a fatass tablet on your desk and use a mouse at the same time? I think Im fucking up my shoulder by my mouse being pushed so far to the right

>>9078

I think wacom makes mouses for use on tablets.

Other than that, what about using your stylus as a mouse?

>>9078

My keyboard is in front of my tablet and the tablet itself is roughly the length of a normal keyboard so I use my mouse completely normally. One of the disadvantages of these kinds of tablets is that they do have a very large footprint though and it might necessitate a desk upgrade as well. I use an inexpensive Ikea table as a desk and it's fuckin' amazing.

>>9086

>>9053

Originally >>9053

I was thinking to get the XP-Pen 15.6 HD or 22 inch HD after a channer recommended them, it's hard to do research when basically everything is "amazing, wow, so great, perfect for drawing" in 98% of their reviews, even old garbage is being reviewed as the best thing since anime tits. Guess I'll just stick with what's been suggested, it's like $500 and if it doesn't work out I guess I'll just have to deal with it :|

>>9098

>Originally >>9053 (l*terally me)

What did he mean by this?

>it's hard to do research when basically everything is "amazing, wow, so great, perfect for drawing" in 98% of their reviews

Absolutely, the problem with online reviews is that they're all full of shit (though often unintentionally so). The vast majority of the people that review tablets on amazon etc. are not only very inexperienced artists if they could be said to be artists at all, but they have also never used a tablet before in their life. They simply don't have the contextual information and experience required to make a good judgment on what makes a tablet good or not.

On the other side of the coin you have people on youtube and their own websites that perhaps have used a lot of different tablets but many of them are again completely inexperienced at drawing, themselves (they are pretty much journalists)-or they have a vested interested in providing a positive review because they're hoping to receive cash residuals through referral links even though they go back to whatever other tablet they're comfortable with the second the camera turns off.

I have seen many reviews of tablets and I have almost never seen a negative one for those reasons. All that said, many tablets don't necessarily DESERVE negative reviews either because they function well according to their limitations, however that doesn't make the inherent flaws or limitations that they might have relative to other models any less significant. So for a beginner it becomes almost impossible to find the right thing, unfortunately.

Having officially used pretty much everything worth using, having no incentive to promote one thing over another and not being blinded by brand loyalty or the desire to justify a major purchase to myself I stand by what I'd said up-thread. The Intuos Large is 100% the way to go. $500 or so seems like a lot on the outset (you can absolutely get an older model for cheaper used) but unless you give up drawing in less than a year it's literally fucking nothing (if you live in the western hemisphere anyway).

Unfortunately it's not a painless transition and might necessitate buying a new workspace to accommodate it effectively (get your tape measure out!), but it is in my mind very worth it all things considered, especially if you're primarily interested in line-oriented art like myself.

>>9105

Wups wrong one, I meant >>9050

I'm perpetually tired.

Intuos large eh? That's the screenless one right? I always thought they were better for painting rather than lineart?

>>9107

Nah, it's the smaller ones that are more adequate for painting than lineart but "adequate" shouldn't be what you're looking for imho. I unironically think that screen tablets are worse for lineart than the Large is too for multiple reasons.

Parallax: The cursor on the display is in a different position than the stylus is on the screen. It's often subtle but substantial enough to be something to think about as you're drawing (especially when you need to connect multiple lines) which effectively nullifies whatever advantage drawing on a screen supposedly has outright. You are being supplied with two conflicting pieces of information on where you're going to be making your mark in the software and it is in that way worse than having your hand and stylus completely obscured as it is with a regular tablet.

Ergonomics: There are only so many different ways to orient yourself when drawing on a screen and the only way to do so without fucking your neck and back up eventually means that you're holding your arm up seig-heiling the screen with your arm at shoulder height (as I'd shown here >>7994), this means you're working against gravity. While this orientation is normal in fine art, the digital media makes it completely different. When you draw or paint on a vertical physical canvas you're taking many short breaks to re-sharpen your pencil, apply paint to your brush etc. This constant motion creates a feeling of relief in your shoulders, arms and traps, whereas in the digital medium the compulsion is to just hold your arm out like a zombie and work until you become so sore that you have to take breaks which may come sooner for you than you think.

Literally just take your stylus and pretend to draw on your monitor for 10 minutes and tell me how comfortable you feel after the fact, I think you'll see what I mean far quicker than that, though.

I'm not going to say that you should just believe me and not make up your own mind, but I came to the conclusions I have through great personal expense and I wouldn't be writing as much on this subject as I do if I was intentionally steering anybody wrong.

I just snapped up a Huion WH1409 for a hundred bucks on sale at NewEgg after only ever having drawn on a tablet barely larger than a postcard. Wish me luck in handling its tremendous girth.

>they didn't have a job to offer

…But at least the gift was tax deductible so I'll end up getting most of my money for it back in taxes.

>>9944

I think you can take it bro, just remember to breathe

>>9944

How is it? I was looking into buying a wacom intuous large but it's a bit too big for my current desk space. The Huion just about fits but my only concern is the drivers and not playing well with Krita.

On another note, would it be a bad idea to just use these large tablets on my lap, since they both have wireless modules? still leaning towards Huion since that at least comes with the module, but again, still concerned about the drivers (does it work well with Windows 7 and how long does the charge last?)

>>10715

Not him, but I had the WH1409 at one time. It's a very good tablet and I'm strongly considering getting the second generation model because I'm getting nervous about my Intuos Large's usb input being plugged in and unplugged almost every day. I gave my first one away to a little girl at work but if I recall it worked well enough on Krita.

https://docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/list_supported_tablets.html

I'm a big fan of the larger sized "desktop" tablets as I've alluded to in this thread but one problem is having enough desk space. I think it's very important you can fit it on your desk and I'd go so far as to say that investing in a desk or table that can fit it is well worth it. I use a <$50 table from Ikea.

You technically can use these tablets on your lap but you're kept from using your keyboard hotkeys that way (thought the WH1409 has like 12 keys itself which is nice), you will likely be drawing at a sloped angle if you're not tall enough to have your knees and thighs perfectly parallel with the ground, and apart from that you will have to sit much further away from your desk because your tablet, drawing arm and stylus won't fit underneath. Grab a pen and put a big sketchbook or a facsimile in your lap to see what I mean.

>>10718

Why the v2? Does the 8k pressure sensitivity make a difference?

>>10743

The pressure numbers is generally a meme (the previous model was adequate on paper but felt completely different to my intuos large which has identical numbers for example), but I imagine it would be improved enough to warrant the extra money.

The original WH1409 is among the finest tablets available today and easily the most economical (it's only $120 or so, now). Its biggest weakness is its pressure which may have been solved (irrespective of whatever numbers they're throwing around).

The only thing I'm worried about is that people are complaining about driver issues with the v2 whereas I had little problems with the original model.

Might want to wait on it.

Is it worth getting a tablet if I only have a 15" acer e5-575g Intel Core i5-7200U, NVIDIA GeForce 940MX and 8GB DDR4? Is the screen size just too small? I primarily want to do digital painting with Sai to avoid mess and costs of oil and canvas. I know how to draw and would only need to practice on tablet. Was looking at Huion WH1409.

Is this worthwhile or is the small screen and laptop going to hold me back (constantly zooming in instead of looking at entire canvas or other issues).

>>11303

A smaller screen is in some ways an advantage when it comes to using desktop-style tablets. the WH1409 has an active surface area 1 to 1 with a 15 inch laptop monitor so it'd be perfect. I use a 17 inch monitor myself so I do have a little extra real estate but you should be just fine. A lot of people use <12 inch ipads or screen tablets for drawing so I don't think you're going to be held back too much.

I'm a beginner. Should I buy a pc or laptop for digital art? I have a budget of about $600.

>>11331

I prefer working on PC because I can place the keyboard (for shortcuts) and the screen (to look at drawings) where I want.

>>11331

I'd say a PC.

If you ever want to upgrade it for whatever reason you can just buy a new part. With a laptop your only options are buying entirely new ones.

Plus PCs tend to be cheaper if you know where you're looking for parts.

Can anyone help me?

I've been drawing a little and some guy here told me that I should rather kys myself then using mouse.

So now I'm looking to buy a cheap beginner tablet.

I'm looking into huion tablets because wacom seems overpriced to me.

But there are lot of huion tablets that are priced pretty similarly and I can't understand which of them is better.

So what is best huion tablet $50-100?

I also don't know if drawing on tablet and looking at screen won't be too unintuitive.

I looked up a little bit and it comes down to

Huion H610 Pro vs New 1060 PLUS

I'd go with h610 pro since it's on sale unless someone shows me there is a better choice

>>11357

Get the wh1409

it's twice as expensive is it twice as good?

>>11360

>>11361

>>11357

Also I have no idea how is it to use a tablet

does it work exactly like drawing on paper or do you need to press additional button? Can you see where cursor is when hovering over the board with the pen? Can you have multiple profiles for hotkeys because while I draw sparingly and want to get more into it I will probably use it to do a lot of photoshop photo editing so it would be nice to be able to setup different profiles. And most importantly I'd like to setup a lot of options on hotkeys so I very rarely have move my hands to keyboard and mouse is it possible to do so much with just the tablet?

>>11361

Not necessarily, but there's usually something if it's within the same brand, even if it's only a gimick.

>does it work exactly like drawing on paper or do you need to press additional button?

For drawing? It's like drawing on paper, there's a sensor at the tip that actuates when you press the pen down on paper.

>Can you see where cursor is when hovering over the board with the pen?

Somewhat, it depends on the sensitivity, most will require the tip of the pen to be within 1cm of the tablet to hover.

>Can you have multiple profiles for hotkeys

Huion uses PenTabletDriver, so it's not exactly supported.

Still, the hotkeys are saved on a .txt file, you can just save them and copy them over to the driver folder before starting it up.

>I'd like to setup a lot of options on hotkeys

>it possible to do so much with just the tablet?

Depends on the tablet.

It's usually one hotkey per button, the hotkey being any key on the keyboard/mouse plus modifiers.

I have the wh1409 the anon recommended, there's 12 hotkeys plus the two on the pen.

>>11361

Read the thread man, I've sung the thing's praises plenty.

>expensive

Maybe if you live in Venezuela or thereabouts. Even $1,000 isn't much if you're planning on using it for a long time. If you intend to try and do art for even three short years why would saving $50 or whatever even cross your mind? Is $50 worth depriving yourself of a better overall experience for the extent if your training? I'd caution that in my experience it is not. Again, this is all stuff you will see being discussed in great detail up-thread.

>>11366

I looked up the specs

new version of Huion H610 Pro has 8k sensitivity levels too and it's only like 20% bigger I still don't see how it's worth it

>>11364

>Somewhat, it depends on the sensitivity, most will require the tip of the pen to be within 1cm of the tablet to hover.

1cm seems pretty good but is there a way to look up which tablets do this?

Black friday deals time, good time to nab some tablets if you're thinking of getting one.

Has anyone used the paper edition? Is it just a meme? I guess it is would be good for inks and pencil, but unusable for digital painting?

>>11464

Of course it's just a meme. What possible advantage could putting a nib-destroying texture on your tablet give you?

>>11456

I did thanks

ok I bought that fucking huion tablet

it works in krita and anywhere in windows but not in the fucking photoshop which is my primary software

how do I get it to work in photoshop?

pls help I am legally retarded

>>11749

weirdly enough I can use the pressure on the pen to change the size of brush to "draw" but pressing the pen on the tablet locks my cursor in place.

I still can't move cursor with pen anywhere in photoshop

>>11749

>>11750

I solved it there's a button at the bottom of the huion driver window that says administrator privileges or something I pressed it and it just works now

I smart

>>11751

You are smart, that sounds like it was a lot of hullabaloo

I come back with another question.

If my tablet has different proportions than screen and in drivers it's set to cover the entire screen does that make inputs stretched to match proportions?

Should I make the tablet use only apropriate area of screen to correct this?

>>11757

“Force proportions” setting is definitely a must

>>11757

What I do to test if it's set correctly is to get a CD/DVD or something circular, draw around it in a program, then use the program's circle tool to produce a circle of equal diameter, and see how squashed/stretched my circle is.

ok I think I'm getting a hold of it slowly

so I'm supposed to zoom out my pictures as small as possible to be able to use shorter strokes because they're easier to control?

>>1810

Got this one some time ago. Pretty good. USB ports are a bit iffy tho. You need to be careful especially with charging the pen. I put a bit of silicon on the tiny usb pin so it slides in easier.

>>3015

I just calibrate a TN TFT monitor of any kind. Even new ones.

Most monitors can be color calibrated as long as the colors aren't already washed out (must use expensive calibration hardware if that's the case), deadpixel (lack of entire red/green/blue channels), or hardware damaged (usually shows whites as all red).

You'll only lose the luster after calibration since it's just basically reducing down the other red/green/blue channels to match the lowest ones so colors are represented accurately but at a lower level.

>paper-like accuracy

Most laptops with cheapshit displays have around 1-5ms response times and clocked around 79Hz (maximum allowable). I don't know what happened to the pc monitor market but it seems very kiked IMO.

>>9044

>elevated at an angle

Don't do this on desktop. Laptops usually have better HDD quality and even sophisticated sensors that can cancel out acoustics though this exist on most hdds and shut off during drop but still I wouldn't do that as the platters spin heat up and is likely to deform itself or something else inside.

How important is it for a tablet to have a screen? How does a small screen-less tablet work in relation to a larger monitor?

>>12409

I’ve explained that a bit up-thread, if I were on a computer right now I’d probably explain it AGAIN but typing is too laborious for me at the moment, just check out some of the earlier posts and if you have any further questions I’ll try and answer them when I get time.

>>12409

I don't know how it's for the other tablets but I can explain this based on the huion 610pro v2 that I bought recently as my first tablet.

Especially if you never had a tablet you probably have no idea how they work at all like I did.

My concern was that I would be placing my pen tip blindly without a screen but it isn't like that at all. When you hover pen like 2cm above the tablet it already shows on your computer monitor where you are. It isn't hard at all to get used to moving your hand in one space and looking at other. But you need to practice the movement of placing down the pen a little from using wrist rotation to more like a vertical movement so it falls in the place you were hovering it in. And I think it's even better that I don't have screened tablet because I don't obstruct my vision with the pen and hand.

I didn't know how they work either

It doesnt work like a mouse at all, with mouse you have it in one place and by moving it you move it relatively to your current position. Tablets work by making each discernable space (depending on resolution) of it's surface be assigned to a pixel on your monitor. I can't explain it in a simpler way

I have small 1440x900 monitor that happens to be the proportioned the same as my tablet and sensitivity feels good. There is still loads of redundant sensitivity with this configuration and by calculation I could probably use 8k monitor without noticing any loss of sensitivity.

If your monitor isn't proportioned the same as your tablet you just use area of your screen of appropriate proportion that you set up in the driver option so you will leave out maybe one side of the monitor to make 16:9 into 16:10 or something like that.

So there aren't any problems you don't need screened tablet unless you need one more screen. Screened tablets will only give you problems like heating up and shit and are expensive

>>12525

also don't look at number of buttons while looking for tablet. I thought I would use additional buttons for shortcuts but using keyboard is just handier. These additional buttons are probably only useful if you work on a laptop so you don't have to reach over the tablet.

>>12526

there are little remotes you can get too which are way better like clip studio tabmate and so on.

I've heard good things about Simbans Picasso Tablet to draw and do stuff, at least for beginners, and it cost lower than 200€.

Is it good or could you redpill me about it?

>>13036

>small screen tablet

I'd rather get myself a big one without screen. Or a small one without screen.

>>13044

10 inches is small? But of course it cost less than 180€.

>>13079

How short we talking here?

>>13079

Less than half price, only used for a year

>>13083

>>13087

Intentionally made a mistake there

>>1804

I have an old Wacom Bamboo MTE450, is it useless? its got a work area of something like 5.8" x 3.7" and 2540 lines per inch res, I felt it can be quite tricky to work with on the few occasions I did draw but I'm also thinking that I've been doing something horribly wrong. help appreciated

>>13110

No tablet is truly useless but you have to ask yourself how much drawing you plan on doing? If you're planning on trying to draw for even just a few years there is in my mind no expense too great-but at the same time in my anecdotal experience the most expensive options aren't the best anyway. Throughout the thread (that I encourage you to read) I've lauded the Intuos Large and I'll continue to do so. It's around $400 but it'll hold the majority of its value for years to come and it is in my opinion the absolute best tablet available in any price range.

>>13110

its not that old. like 9 years. size doesnt matter that much. if you cant draw on that, spending a newer one wont change that. you can adjust your lines in program for line correction, etc if its giving jagged lines or not curving properly. Look into those stablizer options to see if they aid you. They have lots of options for each, so you might need to mess around to get the correction you want.

>>13120

yeah LazyNezumiPro was a godsend for me that made lines significantly better, though it felt like the smoother you went, the shorter the "maximum" lines I could draw before I hit the edge, in retrospect I think I cranked that smoothing way too much so I'll try to depend less on it unless critically necessary, thank you for giving me hope in this lil fella.

>>13119

for now I don't reckon I'll draw often enough to justify getting a tablet that good, I'd almost blindly give my money to wacom for how reliable their stuff is but electronics in general cost twice as they should in my country due to VAT or whatever and coupled with relative low demand these tablets can get expensive real quick :(

I'm going to buy a XP-Pen Deco01 on my birthday. Should I not?

My 3 yo Intuos died, and I need another drawing tablet asap.

>>13197

Huions newer models have been great for me. Fraction of price of wacom. Had tablet and switched to pen display back on black friday. Like comparing a staedtler to a rotring drafting pencil. Rotring is superior quality but staedtler is close enough for quarter the price.

>>13198

Should I buy a H640P? I only have money to buy a XP-Pen Deco 01 or a Huion H640P.

>>13370

I feel you. It took me months and after years and years of drawing I still use two different techniques for both (though I'm sure it's fine).

>>13377

I just noticed how high the breasts are; I'll forgive myself because it is something like a three year old drawing

>>13764

Should have got an Intuos Large or Giano n*gga

>>13765

I haven't bought any tablet yet, though I eventually plan to. I'm still a beginner and wanted to see what my options were in the future.

>>13766

I see. I've mentioned up-thread why I feel that the idea of being a "beginner" isn't the best reasoning for skimping out on your tablet (at least I think I did lol), and also why I feel some of the more extravagant models are just that. I know it sucks but consider giving this old as balls thread (four years what the heck) a once over to see if you can find some topical info for when it comes time to make your purchase.

>>13926

>5000

Horry SHIT. I didn't notice it's a laptop too though.

Honestly man I can't possibly see that being worth it unless you make real-nigga money. It being attached to the computer itself is cool but it's also kind of a weakness; the computer will be "top of the line" for like two years and then it'll be shit like how every other computer out there is.

Get a $1500~ gaming/desktop-replacement laptop from Sager/Clevo and an Intous Large or even a similarly-sized Cintiq even though I don't personally care for those so much. $5,000 for something that's attached at the hip to a depreciating computer isn't a great investment proposition I don't think. Logistically it wouldn't function much different from a bog-standard Cintiq and a secondary keyboard.

>>13934

I agree, to a certain extent. That's why I'd only ever get it on discount (like I said, Black Friday sale plus lower storage space options could lower the price by $2000 if my math is right). I wouldn't spend more than $3000 on any laptop.

The D 7 is my backup option which is $2400 currently.

I'm justifying the extra $600 to myself because of future proofing. Unlike phones, which become obsolete after two or three generations, PC upgrades are far and few. A 5th gen intel core i5 is still passable, and we are four generations and eight years past that at this point.

I don't want a fixed desktop setup in my current situation because my job allows for enough free time where I can draw while at work and I'd like a portable option. Otherwise, I'd just get a cintiq and build my own PC for ~2000.

>>14959

I dunno, tablets are very different from drawing with a pencil, it's honestly not that comparable. The smaller surface area of the tablet contra the screen coupled with the visual disconnect made it so uncomfortable for me at first that I hardly ever used it and just kept drawing on paper. I think that's the case for a lot of people, it takes some getting used to.

There's also the possibility that the proportions of the tablet don't match the screen, and that every movement you make is stretched out in some direction in screen space. See if there's something like a "force proportions" option in the settings, that might help if that's the case.

And pay attention to how you sit when you draw with a tablet, I've noticed that I tend to hold my arm in a pretty bad position for making longer strokes, not sure why, but that could also be a contributing factor.

The button thing sounds weird though, so maybe there is something wrong.

>>15996

I have a gaymin PC. It's not that I couldn't afford a 1000 buckaroos for a high end tablet, it's that I don't want it. I want something I can throw on the table or in a bag and use on the go or in bed. My career isn't on the line, I'm a complete novice at drawing and thought I could potentially use it for sketching and decided to ask about it.

>>15997

>>15802

>>16001

>iOS is a fucking laughingstock of a parody of an operating system

You got that right.

>you can't really have "files" like .pdfs on them

You need an app called Documents by a company called Readdle for that. It comes with its own browser for downloading stuff off the internet, and opens pdfs, zips, rars, and most media formats.

>>16196

That's the risk you take when buying used stuff on ebay. I got burned twice. Now I just slowly save up money over longer time and get everything new. You overpay, but at least odds of fuckups are much lower and there is more of a recourse when it comes to errors or faulty equipment.

Worst case scenario, you can always contact Paypal or your credit card company/bank see if they will at least reimburse the money. There are chances of ebay doing something if you explain everything.

>>16222

>Gaomon

Can you digivolve it?

>>16478

Does the Apple Pencil actually scratch the screen? I It seems pretty soft Personally I only use it to look at Sketchfab models anyway though, drawing on it is awkward and shitty imho

>>16479

Not the pencil itself, but if the right dust particle gets under the pencil it’s possible. I was mainly interested in all the hype I saw about how matte protectors are so much nicer to draw on. The extra grip is supposed to improve linework and “feel better”, but I’m not seeing it. But then again, I never had any problems with the glass feeling slippery like I see so many complaining about.

>>1804

Firstly: Make sure it's big enough for you to use your elbow for drawing.

at least eleven inches.

Secondly: Don't buy overpriced Wacom. Buy anything else. Wacom no longer has the monopoly. Also their customer support is utter garbage. When I contacted them, the response emails didn't even have real names. They just ended the email with generic western names like "Joe" or "James".

>>1804

Firstly: Make sure it's big enough for you to use your elbow for drawing.

at least eleven inches.

Secondly: Don't buy overpriced Wacom. Buy anything else. Wacom no longer has the monopoly. Also their customer support is utter garbage. When I contacted them, the response emails didn't even have real names. They just ended the email with generic western names like "Joe" or "James".