/kind/ - Random Acts of Kindness

>>34897

Not sure if you saw it, but I messaged you. We should talk.

>>34903

If it was through skype, I don't seem to have received any such message. I re-added you to my contacts, as that might of been why it didn't come through.

Polite sage for being off topic. Sorry everyone.

>>34915

Use goals to guide what you do, not to tell you whether what you are doing is good.

>>34891

I tried to do a tech startup a few years ago and it went bust

My dream is to be able to do it again and not fucking up this time. I don't want to be an ebin billionaire like the meme but I would like to not be a wageslave anymore nor having to worry about money ever again

Also being able to help my family would be great, but I can't help anyone being as broke as I am…

>>34893

>i want to make art, be good at it, be loved for it, make money off my creativity

You must be very good then, I admire your goal. Let me advise you that in doing so, you will need more than just drawing. Soon you will realize that there are other skill set that have nothing to do with drawing that you need to be good at. Without it, you will never be good at creating art which I find it very difficult.

>>34924

Not that guy and I haven't done that but after spending a lot of time lurking support groups online I get the feel that most people in said groups never really get their life together and they simply go there because successful people don't like to be around "losers" and so those groups are the only other option to being alone.

I'm not judging since I'm well aware of how it feels when people reject you because of your problems, what I'm trying to say is that I don't feel people in those groups have the answers I seek since they are in the same hole I am, some being there for far longer than I have and they still can't figure a way out

I was one of those guys who always thought "never settle" but these days I think the strategically most sound option is to settle for what you can get rather than aim too high and ending up worse than before. I look back and a I see countless times in my life when I would have ended up better than I am now (and happier) had I settled for less

>>34930

Damn dude I really needed that

Thanks for the pick-me-up friend

>>34891

Ideally I'd like to help solve the problem of pedophilia once and for all. By that I don't mean eliminating pedophilia, because that's neither possible nor entirely ethical, but finding a way for pedophiles to coexist in mutual peace and respect with the rest of the human population. It's certainly possible - I've found coping strategies that work for me, although my life isn't exactly perfect - but it's a hard problem in general. If I'm lucky I'll live long enough to see us develop technology to really make it easy to solve.

>>34964

That's fairly unkind, and, more importantly, counterproductive. I'm seeking a solution which prevents any children from suffering. If you were a decent human being, we'd be on the same side.

>>34965

No, listening and believing that these reprobates will leave children alone is not a solution. Either a righteous government should execute them or they should be "decent" and kill themselves. That's the only real guarantee that they will leave children alone as it is impossible for the dead to molest anyone.

>>34961

>>34966

i disagree with both of you. pedophilia, like all fetishes is a learned behavior, not a sexuality. and fetishes can be unlearned.

>>34966

To suggest that a righteous and decent solution for everyone with this ailment is to simply just be offed is awfully hypocritical, especially when considering the whole issue at hand is concerned around preventing as little harm to others as humanly possible. If your gut reaction was to interpret that as me defending pedophilia and its enablers, then you’re a damn fool. Obviously, the children’s wellbeing should be prioritized in this matter, as they are the innocent party in all of this. But to jump to such a needless extreme is just as bad as those who claim simply expecting every one of them to just subdue their urges and live a normal life regardless, will solve it. It’s nothing more than a quick and easy solution, akin to sweeping the dirt under the rug. And such black and white thinking does nothing more than lead to rallying others together as we regress to the primitive act of witch hunting.

This is a complex issue, and there really isn’t any sort of one size fits all answer for it. Which isn’t to suggest me taking the middle road is any better of a solution. Only that this yes or no mindset does nothing but regress humans on the whole.

When pondering this question, one must first understand, that yes, there do exits extremes which are more than willing to harm children for their own greedy lust. But this isn’t the whole, as many others do realize the harm their interests are capable off, and understand that acting out as such is wrong.

Inb4 stop defending pedos. I’m not, I only wish to make light that with these differing levels, one sided responses will never be satisfactory. Unless you yourself, are a one-sided thinker.

I must side with >>34970

Pedophilia isn’t a sexuality your brain is conceived with in due response to the chemicals which allow the feelings of attraction. It isn’t a physical component of the brain, but a psychological one. And because of this, it is much harder to treat than simply leveling out some sort of imbalance in the brain. But some form of treatment is at least possible.

If a begrudging middle man was the only solution, I would propose that preforming sexual acts upon children should be punishable by a lifetime sentence. What one would need to do is discourage others, if one such person was aware that what he desired is wrong, this would aid in his prevention of acting out, and perhaps even strengthen whatever counseling or treatment they may be going through.

But we mustn’t scare them from being able to come out and confront their ailments. Which is what immediate death at the mere whiff of pedo tendencies would only serve to do.

I think the unfortunate reality is that there will never be a guaranteed answer. No matter the extreme. Evil people will do evil things, regardless of the potential penalty. And even if one was to disagree with me, which is totally reasonable when considering my proposal doesn’t really halt the harming of children. I’m hard press believe simply saying, kill them all, is any sort of rational resolution.

>>34975

>Pedophilia isn’t a sexuality your brain is conceived with in due response to the chemicals which allow the feelings of attraction. It isn’t a physical component of the brain, but a psychological one. And because of this, it is much harder to treat than simply leveling out some sort of imbalance in the brain. But some form of treatment is at least possible.

There is no evidence to support any of that. Our understanding of neuroscience is far too incomplete for you to jump to conclusions like that. Personally I suspect that there's no physiological difference between fetishes and sexualities once someone reaches adulthood.

>I think the unfortunate reality is that there will never be a guaranteed answer.

Never is a very long time. The most obvious answer is the development of sufficiently advanced AI and synthetic/VR humans which can be used to act out fantasies without causing harm. Alternatives also include transferring adult minds into child bodies, or simply giving an adult a child-like avatar in VR. These are all technologies which are a few hundred years away - not never. If we fail to develop them, our species has failed and is probably extinct.

>>34966

It's nice to know that your ideal society is one where ~1-2% of the population are offered the choice between suicide and execution when they reach puberty. I guess if it's to protect the kids, we can sacrifice a few kids.

>>34977

Also, to add to this, there isn't a hardware/software divide in the brain like there is in conventional computer architectures. Your entire psychology is determined by the physical structure of your brain. The closest thing you can come to a "software" component is the pattern of neurons firing at a given instant, but those patterns don't persist for more than the duration of a single thought.

>>34965

>I'm seeking a solution which prevents any children from suffering.

It's called antinatalism.

>>34977

I admit to jumping the gun on my first point. In my infinite ignorance, I foolishly went along with what I vaguely remember being taught previously, instead of looking into it a bit. And upon doing so, you are correct, as most of the responses I was able to find were shaky theories and hypothesis at best.

That being said, I’m still not entirely convinced that feeding into the desire at all is the for the best. I suppose it would largely depend on how convincing and or how satisfying such an artificial alternative could be for the person in question. I can’t help but worry how some may grow to become dissatisfied in their virtual fantasy, and may find themselves yearning for the more authentic experience. But really, this is all just a bit of baseless fear and paranoia coming from myself. Still, how satisfying such a thing would be for them in the long run, I feel, is a factor worth considering.

I still believe the best possible solution, given our medical, technical, and neurological understanding would ever even reach a such a point, would be to rid one of such desires entirely. Given the methods are humane rather than some futuristic lobotomy. I reckon that would than fall into the moral query of, “is it right to change who someone is on the inside?” Which, when assuming the only thing being changed is the sexual fixation and nothing more, I personally feel would be a bit moot. But that’s just me, given how morals very from person to person, I could imagine such a thing being a bit more complex to figure out for some.

Either or, pondering over futuristic solutions for a problem that is very much current, I think is a sort of misstep in of itself. Although it does make for good discussion regardless.

>>34982

>I want reprobates to be put in front of a firing squad by a righteous government, so I am most definitely not looking for a solution that pleases them.

I never said you were looking to please pedophiles. I only wished to point out how citing immediate death as being “decent” or “righteous” seemed to be jumping the gun a bit. The hypocrisy was how you act so high and moral, while your only answer to the issue is to line them up in a firing squad. Well what of those who understand what they desire is wrong? Do we just off them as well? Is it right to punish someone who realizes what they’re inflicted with is wrong, rather than to at least attempt in aiding them? I understand that the question itself is merely an appeal to emotion, but it does bring light to the larger goal. Which is to find a solution that incorporates these sort of factors, rather than just treating each and every case as an extreme outlier. That’s the larger issue, not just “executing pedophiles on the spot.”

>You're still alive that's enough to show how willing you are to preserve and protect the life of a pedophile

“If your gut reaction was to interpret that as me defending pedophilia and its enablers, then you’re a damn fool.” Nowhere in my post do I condone the act of pedophilia. Me suggesting that acting out on these urges should still be punishable, isn’t a contradiction. The key is to subdue these feelings, I even stated how I felt the best end goal was for the desires to be eliminated entirely in my second post. >>34981

Also, did you conveniently just forget the part of my post where I stated how doing nothing more than let them run free wasn’t a satisfactory answer either?

“But to jump to such a needless extreme is just as bad as those who claim simply expecting every one of them to just subdue their urges and live a normal life regardless, will solve it.”

Whatever fits your limited narrative I suppose…

Furthermore, immediately accusing me of being a pedophile does nothing for your case.

>I don't see how putting down rabid dogs who is needless or extreme. Many countries have had these kinds of punishments for pedos, constitutional in my country up until 1977 so I have no idea how this is extreme.

You have no idea how immediately sentencing a large party composed of many spectrums to death isn't an extreme? Is stating how such things were done in the past supposed to be some sort of counter claim?

>No, its much more effective, and akin to destroying the dirt itself. As a dead pedo is incapable of molesting anyone. Anything you suggest will be akin to not sweeping at all. Nothing.

>More like a legitimate government swiftly and systematically deposing of every pedo in prison and on their registry.

The sweeping dirt under the rug analogy was to point out your inability to ponder over more complex answers, as opposed to simply just going the easiest and least thoughtful answer imaginable. All you’re doing is restating the same point, but never do you really ever build on them, or explain why you feel this way. This is the equivalent to a toddler going “nu uh.”

cont.

>>34982

>>34990

>You're fixated on suffering avoidance. Logically, swiftly executing them would cause less suffering and keep them from experiencing all the suffering they would have experienced in their life. It would also be less of a waste of money. My position is actually the most merciful towards freaks like you.

I’m fixated on unjust suffering. Again, you assume I’m just fine and dandy with pedophilia, and that people who harm children should in no way suffer any consequences. Never did I imply that people who do act out shouldn’t suffer some form of punishment.

And also

“Cases without the death penalty cost $740,000, while cases where the death penalty is sought cost $1.26 million. Maintaining each death row prisoner costs taxpayers $90,000 more per year than a prisoner in general population. There are 714 inmates on California's death row.”

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

>Execute the ones we know about, encourage the ones we don't to kill themselves (more for fun than anything else), wait with baited breath for Trump to make anime and the Sibyl System from psycho pass real.

And again, for what, the third time? You just reiterate the same opinion with nothing else to it. Over and over and over. It's almost like the claim in of itself is all you have…

>>34991

>I’m fixated on unjust suffering

Prison in and of itself is unjust. It ruins lives and inflicts unjust suffering rather than ending it as an execution would. It should be abolished as a punishment.

>you assume I’m just fine and dandy with pedophilia

Well you are a pedo.

>Maintaining each death row prisoner

This should never happen. They should be immediately executed after the trial and the judge has to watch the execution. That's not really the death penalty as these fuckers are kept there for many, many years.

>the third time?

Yeah, nothing else really needs to be said. They should be killed by righteous government because the end of their life is the end of a pedo the end of a pedo is the end of the danger they pose to children. Why you keep replying to me when you think all I have is a claim is the better question.

gf

>>34997

>>34998

>"To suggest that a righteous and decent solution for everyone", "everyone" includes pedos. Would pedos not be pleased with a "righteous" and "decent" outcome for themselves?

But it’s only decent and righteous by the merits of your own limited, black and white morals. All you can do is nitpick, twist around, and then just say why it’s wrong by your standards. Why are these morals valid? No shit pedophilia is a problem, but so is punishing a person who hasn’t committed a crime. Your entire thesis is based around the assumption that every one of them will act out, despite their existing pedo’s who do realize what is right and wrong, and who don’t wish to harm anyone. These people don’t choose to have these feelings, regardless of their stance towards acting out is.

>I am higher than a reprobate, and my moral stance on this comes from the highest moral authority, so yeah. You being wrong and not agreeing with this morality doesn't make it hypocritical.

What makes you immediately higher than these “reprobates?” Because you say so? Because you’re religious? You follow this moral authority so diligently, so then surly you would be able to explain why this moral authority is the highest of them all? Immediate death isn’t decent, especially when its sentenced to someone who has committed no crime.

Saying I’m wrong doesn’t make you right. And it seems to me, that’s all you have as an argument.

>To say someone thinks something is wrong is not the same as saying they aren't and will not do that thing. Mankind does many things they think are wrong, especially when those acts are backed by lust.

Yeah, no shit people do evil things. Everyone has temptations. Instead of even attempting to aid them in resisting and learning to lead a normal life, you just throw your hands up and sentence them to death. Regardless if they repent, regardless if they wish to seek help, regardless if they wish for a solution before there is a problem.

>”Do we just off them as well?” Yeah. Though it's only worth it if we have a way to identify them other than self-diagnose

So it’s only worth it if we can determine for ourselves whether they are or aren’t, and then based solely on that yes or no thesis, we can just immediately condemn them to death? Explain to me why this is ok? I ask genuinely, give me something other than then the assumption that if person is Y then they are guaranteed to do X. Or is that all you have?

>”Is it right to punish?” I don't see it as a punishment. It's a good to them and to the general public. If anything it saves them and others from suffering later on in life. It's impossible to know if they really think its wrong and wouldn't do it as you can't know the depths of a persons mind.

I actually think the last sentence is a fair point. As it would be easy for them to just start saying “oh yeah, not me dude, totally.” That’s a reasonable assumption. But it still doesn’t erase the people who are genuine in their pledge.

>accusing me of being a pedophile does nothing for your case. You're a pedo and a liar.

Uhh…, that wasn’t me? Nice assumption. Of course, if two people are even remotely on the same side than they must be the exact same person. Can you prove that was me? Not on an anonymous image board. Just as I can’t prove it wasn’t me. But golly jee, it sure does conveniently fit your narrative, huh? This a moot point, the criticism of you being assumptions by default still stands.

>>34998

>>34997

>No, I don't think that's extreme. Yeah, the party of pedos in prison, organizations like nambla and on the registry is far too large. If possible I'd like to shrink it down to zero.

Ok? What does listing off those obviously evil groups do? Make note they exist? I never denied there was a really evil side to pedophilia. The problem I have with all of this is the immediate assumption from you, how every single pedophile is like this. And therefore, every single pedophile supposedly deserves the same capital punishment.

>I was merely establishing a precedent.

Ok? It doesn’t really prove or add to anything. It was really just fluff and filler. I guess because it was done back then, that immediately means it’s ok to do now?

>Complexity for the sake of complexity is pointless. Like I said I'd rather just destroy the dirt and be done with it. Life in prison is inhuman by the way. An execution is much more merciful and less sadistic than effectively ending their life but keeping them around to suffer in prison.

But this is a complex issue, you hand waving it away does nothing to disprove that statement. Yes, yes, I know you’d rather just kill them all, must you be so repetitive? Repetition isn’t an argument. Or do you really feel the need to remind me of your stance?

And yeah, prison isn’t pleasant. No shit people who commit crimes should suffer the consequences. And child molestation is pretty heinous. I actually understand your stance, but I still don’t think it’s fair to immediately sentence a person to death when they haven’t molested anyone. Regardless, going of your religious statement, would sentencing them to death only to be immediately sent to an eternity in hell because they’re such reprobate really be much better? This whole critique is moot.

>>34998

>>34997

> Also the most effective. Those all sound like positives. I see no reason in meaningless circlejerking over this topic when I have the answer. A dead pedo can't molest anyone.

This isn’t about effectiveness, you turned it to that for convivence, this is about morals. Yeah, you have an answer, but someone can still answer 2 + 2 = 5. Just because you say you have a supposed solution, doesn’t mean it’s the right one.

> I don't need to explain why I'm against pedophiles. An execution is just the most effective and least costly way of stopping a pedo. I also have religious reasons.

I was asking more why you feel your solution to be the most morally sound. Yeah, it’s the most effective, just as, again, sweeping the dirt under the rug is effective. It’s still a sloppy job.

> Nu uh, I have explained how it is effective and merciful.

Most of your arguments are based around restating what I say and then just saying I’m wrong because of “morals” and “efficacy.” That’s not entirely convincing. Inb4: It’s your fault for not aggreging with me and refusing to be convinced. That’s kinda, sort of all I get out of this…

> Prison in and of itself is unjust. It ruins lives and inflicts unjust suffering rather than ending it as an execution would. It should be abolished as a punishment.

If you commit a crime, you deserve to be punished. By unjust, I meant, punishing a person who has not committed a crime. Which is what you suggest as being the best solution.

>Well you are a pedo.

And you’re an idiot. Quite the compelling statement, huh? Sure showed you I did. In case you couldn’t tell, that was me turning around what you said, and showing it for all it’s worth. Blame the witch blame the witch.

>This should never happen. They should be immediately executed after the trial and the judge has to watch the execution. That's not really the death penalty as these fuckers are kept there for many, many years.

Irrelevant to the topic at hand. You made a claim and I proved it wrong. That’s all there is to it. Backpaddling and saying, “well it shouldn’t be a thing to begin with” is worthless.

>Yeah, nothing else really needs to be said. They should be killed by righteous government because the end of their life is the end of a pedo the end of a pedo is the end of the danger they pose to children. Why you keep replying to me when you think all I have is a claim is the better question.

Cause I disagree with you and think you’re horribly wrong. This is your chance to prove me otherwise, but you’ve hardly made a convincing claim on your part. Saying nothing else needs to be said is more or less, you, indirectly admitting to the criticism, which was your inability to argue beyond stating the same stance multiple times. But never the why. Never do you detail how you rationally came to this conclusion. All you did was say I’m wrong to every point I make, and well… that’s all she wrote.

>>35151

What kind of barbaric country requires four years of service?

To become a disappointment and eventually kill myself before the age of 23. Pretty easy goal.

>>34891

To fall in love with someone who loves me back. If I could achieve that, I'd be happy for life.

I'd like to not be alone anymore.

I would like to have a large family, and I would like to see my kids stay close and be good friends when they've grown. My father was indifferent about his siblings, and my mother tends to end up disliking her siblings shortly after reconciling. So I never had many close relatives other than my direct family, and that's no fun. I would do all this for my grandchildren to have many aunts and uncles, and many cousins.

To be economically self-sufficient and have lots of free time to work on stuff like music and photography while being disciplined enough to see projects all the way through.

I think I might like to have a family eventually but I'm not sure if that's really desirable or even achievable for a natural shut-in like me.