No.34891 [View All]
A dream, so to speak. An ideal life of yours that is theorically achievable.
I want to one day live in a comfy place just for myself all alone with piles and piles of cash to spend on things like weeaboo merchandise and tech. And then shut myself in, spending the rest of my life with anime, games and the such.
What is yours? Do you have anything that you look after for in life?
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No.34908
>>34906
You don't have to think in terms of goals and willpower.
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No.34911
>>34908
I don't have any hobbies or activities I like doing either, I guess I kind of like imageboards, but they don't feel the hole anymore. I can't even watch anime and play vidya anymore, it all feels like such a chore now. Help…
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No.34913
>>34903
If it was through skype, I don't seem to have received any such message. I re-added you to my contacts, as that might of been why it didn't come through.
Polite sage for being off topic. Sorry everyone.
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No.34914
>>34911
That's not what I meant. I mean that you are prevented from recognizing fun and achievements by standards of them which have nothing to do with how you normally recognize them, by the current state of mind, and probably other things.
If using goals and desires simplifies for us what we have done, not using them reveals that we are doing something right now, and how we're feeling.
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No.34915
>>34914
I'm sorry anon, I don't think I understand what you're saying, I'm not sure what you are asking me. Sorry ;_;
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No.34916
>>34915
Use goals to guide what you do, not to tell you whether what you are doing is good.
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No.34924
>>34906
You like talking to others through imageboards, right? Have you ever thought about going to those churches or organizations where people with problems (ie alcoholics) gather up, talk to each other and help each other?
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No.34927
>>34891
I tried to do a tech startup a few years ago and it went bust
My dream is to be able to do it again and not fucking up this time. I don't want to be an ebin billionaire like the meme but I would like to not be a wageslave anymore nor having to worry about money ever again
Also being able to help my family would be great, but I can't help anyone being as broke as I am…
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No.34930
perhaps someone else can make use of this
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No.34932
>>34924
I don't know, I don't feel like I would fit in.
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No.34946
>>34893
>i want to make art, be good at it, be loved for it, make money off my creativity
You must be very good then, I admire your goal. Let me advise you that in doing so, you will need more than just drawing. Soon you will realize that there are other skill set that have nothing to do with drawing that you need to be good at. Without it, you will never be good at creating art which I find it very difficult.
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No.34947
>>34924
Not that guy and I haven't done that but after spending a lot of time lurking support groups online I get the feel that most people in said groups never really get their life together and they simply go there because successful people don't like to be around "losers" and so those groups are the only other option to being alone.
I'm not judging since I'm well aware of how it feels when people reject you because of your problems, what I'm trying to say is that I don't feel people in those groups have the answers I seek since they are in the same hole I am, some being there for far longer than I have and they still can't figure a way out
I was one of those guys who always thought "never settle" but these days I think the strategically most sound option is to settle for what you can get rather than aim too high and ending up worse than before. I look back and a I see countless times in my life when I would have ended up better than I am now (and happier) had I settled for less
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No.34958
>>34930
Damn dude I really needed that
Thanks for the pick-me-up friend
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No.34960
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No.34961
>>34891
Ideally I'd like to help solve the problem of pedophilia once and for all. By that I don't mean eliminating pedophilia, because that's neither possible nor entirely ethical, but finding a way for pedophiles to coexist in mutual peace and respect with the rest of the human population. It's certainly possible - I've found coping strategies that work for me, although my life isn't exactly perfect - but it's a hard problem in general. If I'm lucky I'll live long enough to see us develop technology to really make it easy to solve.
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No.34962
To have as many White children as I can to make anime real
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No.34965
>>34964
That's fairly unkind, and, more importantly, counterproductive. I'm seeking a solution which prevents any children from suffering. If you were a decent human being, we'd be on the same side.
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No.34966
>>34965
No, listening and believing that these reprobates will leave children alone is not a solution. Either a righteous government should execute them or they should be "decent" and kill themselves. That's the only real guarantee that they will leave children alone as it is impossible for the dead to molest anyone.
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No.34970
>>34961
>>34966
i disagree with both of you. pedophilia, like all fetishes is a learned behavior, not a sexuality. and fetishes can be unlearned.
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No.34975
>>34966
To suggest that a righteous and decent solution for everyone with this ailment is to simply just be offed is awfully hypocritical, especially when considering the whole issue at hand is concerned around preventing as little harm to others as humanly possible. If your gut reaction was to interpret that as me defending pedophilia and its enablers, then you’re a damn fool. Obviously, the children’s wellbeing should be prioritized in this matter, as they are the innocent party in all of this. But to jump to such a needless extreme is just as bad as those who claim simply expecting every one of them to just subdue their urges and live a normal life regardless, will solve it. It’s nothing more than a quick and easy solution, akin to sweeping the dirt under the rug. And such black and white thinking does nothing more than lead to rallying others together as we regress to the primitive act of witch hunting.
This is a complex issue, and there really isn’t any sort of one size fits all answer for it. Which isn’t to suggest me taking the middle road is any better of a solution. Only that this yes or no mindset does nothing but regress humans on the whole.
When pondering this question, one must first understand, that yes, there do exits extremes which are more than willing to harm children for their own greedy lust. But this isn’t the whole, as many others do realize the harm their interests are capable off, and understand that acting out as such is wrong.
Inb4 stop defending pedos. I’m not, I only wish to make light that with these differing levels, one sided responses will never be satisfactory. Unless you yourself, are a one-sided thinker.
I must side with >>34970
Pedophilia isn’t a sexuality your brain is conceived with in due response to the chemicals which allow the feelings of attraction. It isn’t a physical component of the brain, but a psychological one. And because of this, it is much harder to treat than simply leveling out some sort of imbalance in the brain. But some form of treatment is at least possible.
If a begrudging middle man was the only solution, I would propose that preforming sexual acts upon children should be punishable by a lifetime sentence. What one would need to do is discourage others, if one such person was aware that what he desired is wrong, this would aid in his prevention of acting out, and perhaps even strengthen whatever counseling or treatment they may be going through.
But we mustn’t scare them from being able to come out and confront their ailments. Which is what immediate death at the mere whiff of pedo tendencies would only serve to do.
I think the unfortunate reality is that there will never be a guaranteed answer. No matter the extreme. Evil people will do evil things, regardless of the potential penalty. And even if one was to disagree with me, which is totally reasonable when considering my proposal doesn’t really halt the harming of children. I’m hard press believe simply saying, kill them all, is any sort of rational resolution.
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No.34977
>>34975
>Pedophilia isn’t a sexuality your brain is conceived with in due response to the chemicals which allow the feelings of attraction. It isn’t a physical component of the brain, but a psychological one. And because of this, it is much harder to treat than simply leveling out some sort of imbalance in the brain. But some form of treatment is at least possible.
There is no evidence to support any of that. Our understanding of neuroscience is far too incomplete for you to jump to conclusions like that. Personally I suspect that there's no physiological difference between fetishes and sexualities once someone reaches adulthood.
>I think the unfortunate reality is that there will never be a guaranteed answer.
Never is a very long time. The most obvious answer is the development of sufficiently advanced AI and synthetic/VR humans which can be used to act out fantasies without causing harm. Alternatives also include transferring adult minds into child bodies, or simply giving an adult a child-like avatar in VR. These are all technologies which are a few hundred years away - not never. If we fail to develop them, our species has failed and is probably extinct.
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No.34978
>>34966
It's nice to know that your ideal society is one where ~1-2% of the population are offered the choice between suicide and execution when they reach puberty. I guess if it's to protect the kids, we can sacrifice a few kids.
>>34977
Also, to add to this, there isn't a hardware/software divide in the brain like there is in conventional computer architectures. Your entire psychology is determined by the physical structure of your brain. The closest thing you can come to a "software" component is the pattern of neurons firing at a given instant, but those patterns don't persist for more than the duration of a single thought.
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No.34980
>>34965
>I'm seeking a solution which prevents any children from suffering.
It's called antinatalism.
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No.34981
>>34977
I admit to jumping the gun on my first point. In my infinite ignorance, I foolishly went along with what I vaguely remember being taught previously, instead of looking into it a bit. And upon doing so, you are correct, as most of the responses I was able to find were shaky theories and hypothesis at best.
That being said, I’m still not entirely convinced that feeding into the desire at all is the for the best. I suppose it would largely depend on how convincing and or how satisfying such an artificial alternative could be for the person in question. I can’t help but worry how some may grow to become dissatisfied in their virtual fantasy, and may find themselves yearning for the more authentic experience. But really, this is all just a bit of baseless fear and paranoia coming from myself. Still, how satisfying such a thing would be for them in the long run, I feel, is a factor worth considering.
I still believe the best possible solution, given our medical, technical, and neurological understanding would ever even reach a such a point, would be to rid one of such desires entirely. Given the methods are humane rather than some futuristic lobotomy. I reckon that would than fall into the moral query of, “is it right to change who someone is on the inside?” Which, when assuming the only thing being changed is the sexual fixation and nothing more, I personally feel would be a bit moot. But that’s just me, given how morals very from person to person, I could imagine such a thing being a bit more complex to figure out for some.
Either or, pondering over futuristic solutions for a problem that is very much current, I think is a sort of misstep in of itself. Although it does make for good discussion regardless.
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No.34982
>>34975
>To suggest that a righteous and decent solution for everyone
I wonder if you are even capable of replying directly to anything I've actually said rather than blatantly misrepresenting me? I want reprobates to be put in front of a firing squad by a righteous government, so I am most definitely not looking for a solution that pleases them. To truly love the flowers you must hate the weeds.
>whole issue
The whole issue for me is executing pedophiles. I have no interest in protecting pedophiles from harm, which is in no way hypocritical. Let's stick to using words we know how to use properly.
>defending pedophilia
You're still alive that's enough to show how willing you are to preserve and protect the life of a pedophile.
>needless extreme
I don't see how putting down rabid dogs who is needless or extreme. Many countries have had these kinds of punishments for pedos, constitutional in my country up until 1977 so I have no idea how this is extreme.
>sweeping the dirt under the rug
No, its much more effective, and akin to destroying the dirt itself. As a dead pedo is incapable of molesting anyone. Anything you suggest will be akin to not sweeping at all. Nothing.
>witch hunting
More like a legitimate government swiftly and systematically deposing of every pedo in prison and on their registry.
>punishable by a lifetime sentence
You're fixated on suffering avoidance. Logically, swiftly executing them would cause less suffering and keep them from experiencing all the suffering they would have experienced in their life. It would also be less of a waste of money. My position is actually the most merciful towards freaks like you.
>Which is what immediate death at the mere whiff of pedo tendencies
That's the dream. Though not worth attempting until a identification method is devised.
>never be a guaranteed answer
Execute the ones we know about, encourage the ones we don't to kill themselves (more for fun than anything else), wait with baited breath for Trump to make anime and the Sibyl System from psycho pass real.
>>34978
I don't consider a 12 year old showing interest in children around their age a pedo. I flat out reject this number as accurate or trustworthy. Though I am not entirely against the death penalty for minors around that age as I see prison as a more inhuman punishment than the a swift execution.
Reply to what I've said directly or don't bother replying.
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No.34990
>>34982
>I want reprobates to be put in front of a firing squad by a righteous government, so I am most definitely not looking for a solution that pleases them.
I never said you were looking to please pedophiles. I only wished to point out how citing immediate death as being “decent” or “righteous” seemed to be jumping the gun a bit. The hypocrisy was how you act so high and moral, while your only answer to the issue is to line them up in a firing squad. Well what of those who understand what they desire is wrong? Do we just off them as well? Is it right to punish someone who realizes what they’re inflicted with is wrong, rather than to at least attempt in aiding them? I understand that the question itself is merely an appeal to emotion, but it does bring light to the larger goal. Which is to find a solution that incorporates these sort of factors, rather than just treating each and every case as an extreme outlier. That’s the larger issue, not just “executing pedophiles on the spot.”
>You're still alive that's enough to show how willing you are to preserve and protect the life of a pedophile
“If your gut reaction was to interpret that as me defending pedophilia and its enablers, then you’re a damn fool.” Nowhere in my post do I condone the act of pedophilia. Me suggesting that acting out on these urges should still be punishable, isn’t a contradiction. The key is to subdue these feelings, I even stated how I felt the best end goal was for the desires to be eliminated entirely in my second post. >>34981
Also, did you conveniently just forget the part of my post where I stated how doing nothing more than let them run free wasn’t a satisfactory answer either?
“But to jump to such a needless extreme is just as bad as those who claim simply expecting every one of them to just subdue their urges and live a normal life regardless, will solve it.”
Whatever fits your limited narrative I suppose…
Furthermore, immediately accusing me of being a pedophile does nothing for your case.
>I don't see how putting down rabid dogs who is needless or extreme. Many countries have had these kinds of punishments for pedos, constitutional in my country up until 1977 so I have no idea how this is extreme.
You have no idea how immediately sentencing a large party composed of many spectrums to death isn't an extreme? Is stating how such things were done in the past supposed to be some sort of counter claim?
>No, its much more effective, and akin to destroying the dirt itself. As a dead pedo is incapable of molesting anyone. Anything you suggest will be akin to not sweeping at all. Nothing.
>More like a legitimate government swiftly and systematically deposing of every pedo in prison and on their registry.
The sweeping dirt under the rug analogy was to point out your inability to ponder over more complex answers, as opposed to simply just going the easiest and least thoughtful answer imaginable. All you’re doing is restating the same point, but never do you really ever build on them, or explain why you feel this way. This is the equivalent to a toddler going “nu uh.”
cont.
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No.34991
>>34982
>>34990
>You're fixated on suffering avoidance. Logically, swiftly executing them would cause less suffering and keep them from experiencing all the suffering they would have experienced in their life. It would also be less of a waste of money. My position is actually the most merciful towards freaks like you.
I’m fixated on unjust suffering. Again, you assume I’m just fine and dandy with pedophilia, and that people who harm children should in no way suffer any consequences. Never did I imply that people who do act out shouldn’t suffer some form of punishment.
And also
“Cases without the death penalty cost $740,000, while cases where the death penalty is sought cost $1.26 million. Maintaining each death row prisoner costs taxpayers $90,000 more per year than a prisoner in general population. There are 714 inmates on California's death row.”
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
>Execute the ones we know about, encourage the ones we don't to kill themselves (more for fun than anything else), wait with baited breath for Trump to make anime and the Sibyl System from psycho pass real.
And again, for what, the third time? You just reiterate the same opinion with nothing else to it. Over and over and over. It's almost like the claim in of itself is all you have…
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No.34997
>>34990
>I never said you were looking to please pedophiles
"To suggest that a righteous and decent solution for everyone", "everyone" includes pedos. Would pedos not be pleased with a "righteous" and "decent" outcome for themselves?
>you act so high and moral
I am higher than a reprobate, and my moral stance on this comes from the highest moral authority, so yeah. You being wrong and not agreeing with this morality doesn't make it hypocritical.
>Well what of those who understand what they desire is wrong?
To say someone thinks something is wrong is not the same as saying they aren't and will not do that thing. Mankind does many things they think are wrong, especially when those acts are backed by lust.
>Do we just off them as well?
Yeah. Though it's only worth it if we have a way to identify them other than self diagnose.
>Is it right to punish
I don't see it as a punishment. It's a good to them and to the general public. If anything it saves them and others from suffering later on in life. It's impossible to know if they really think its wrong and wouldn't do it as you can't know the depths of a persons mind.
>accusing me of being a pedophile does nothing for your case
>>34961
>I've found coping strategies that work for me
You're a pedo and a liar.
>large party
No, I don't think that's extreme. Yeah, the party of pedos in prison, organizations like nambla and on the registry is far too large. If possible I'd like to shrink it down to zero.
>Is stating how such things were done in the past
I was merely establishing a precedent.
>complex answers
Complexity for the sake of complexity is pointless. Like I said I'd rather just destroy the dirt and be done with it. Life in prison is inhuman by the way. An execution is much more merciful and less sadistic than effectively ending their life but keeping them around to suffer in prison.
>the easiest and least thoughtful answer imaginable
Also the most effective. Those all sound like positives. I see no reason in meaningless circlejerking over this topic when I have the answer. A dead pedo can't molest anyone.
>never do you really ever build on them
I have actually. In the beginning I just said a righteous government should kill them since then I added who should be targeted first, that there is a legal precedent for this and that there's really no point in going after the ones we don't know of until there's a way to identify them unwillingly. Among a few smaller things I've added.
Killing a pedo doesn't really need to be built on. You kill them in the way that costs taxpayers the least amount of money. Stoning them with stones is pretty fucking cheap might I add. Just get a big fucking stone, bury them up to their head and smash their skull with it. EZ PZ and you've already buried the fucker. Destroying the skull with enough force makes it basically painless.
>why you feel this way
I don't need to explain why I'm against pedophiles. An execution is just the most effective and least costly way of stopping a pedo. I also have religious reasons.
>“nu uh.”
Nu uh, I have explained how it is effective and merciful.
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No.34998
>>34991
>I’m fixated on unjust suffering
Prison in and of itself is unjust. It ruins lives and inflicts unjust suffering rather than ending it as an execution would. It should be abolished as a punishment.
>you assume I’m just fine and dandy with pedophilia
Well you are a pedo.
>Maintaining each death row prisoner
This should never happen. They should be immediately executed after the trial and the judge has to watch the execution. That's not really the death penalty as these fuckers are kept there for many, many years.
>the third time?
Yeah, nothing else really needs to be said. They should be killed by righteous government because the end of their life is the end of a pedo the end of a pedo is the end of the danger they pose to children. Why you keep replying to me when you think all I have is a claim is the better question.
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No.34999
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No.35002
I want to finish school but I'm not sure after that. I'm not looking forward to having to enter the work force.
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No.35005
I want to not be a wizard. I want an average or above average girl to want me physically. I want a stem job so that i can get out of my dad's house. But i want that so that i won't feel like i wasted years of my life on 2 difficult degrees.
I want to be happy. I want some visible measure of success. I want to not feel like a loser. I want to not feel all this stress. I want my metabolism to be higher.
I want to at least get interviews and hear from HR instead of generic computer generated rejections.
i can't get a job so I'm playing with an idea in my head. I want to a make a game or an app. My ultimate goal would be to make a game for pc / current Nintendo platform. But the intermediate/practice step would be to make a cell phone thing.
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No.35012
>>34997
>>34998
>"To suggest that a righteous and decent solution for everyone", "everyone" includes pedos. Would pedos not be pleased with a "righteous" and "decent" outcome for themselves?
But it’s only decent and righteous by the merits of your own limited, black and white morals. All you can do is nitpick, twist around, and then just say why it’s wrong by your standards. Why are these morals valid? No shit pedophilia is a problem, but so is punishing a person who hasn’t committed a crime. Your entire thesis is based around the assumption that every one of them will act out, despite their existing pedo’s who do realize what is right and wrong, and who don’t wish to harm anyone. These people don’t choose to have these feelings, regardless of their stance towards acting out is.
>I am higher than a reprobate, and my moral stance on this comes from the highest moral authority, so yeah. You being wrong and not agreeing with this morality doesn't make it hypocritical.
What makes you immediately higher than these “reprobates?” Because you say so? Because you’re religious? You follow this moral authority so diligently, so then surly you would be able to explain why this moral authority is the highest of them all? Immediate death isn’t decent, especially when its sentenced to someone who has committed no crime.
Saying I’m wrong doesn’t make you right. And it seems to me, that’s all you have as an argument.
>To say someone thinks something is wrong is not the same as saying they aren't and will not do that thing. Mankind does many things they think are wrong, especially when those acts are backed by lust.
Yeah, no shit people do evil things. Everyone has temptations. Instead of even attempting to aid them in resisting and learning to lead a normal life, you just throw your hands up and sentence them to death. Regardless if they repent, regardless if they wish to seek help, regardless if they wish for a solution before there is a problem.
>”Do we just off them as well?” Yeah. Though it's only worth it if we have a way to identify them other than self-diagnose
So it’s only worth it if we can determine for ourselves whether they are or aren’t, and then based solely on that yes or no thesis, we can just immediately condemn them to death? Explain to me why this is ok? I ask genuinely, give me something other than then the assumption that if person is Y then they are guaranteed to do X. Or is that all you have?
>”Is it right to punish?” I don't see it as a punishment. It's a good to them and to the general public. If anything it saves them and others from suffering later on in life. It's impossible to know if they really think its wrong and wouldn't do it as you can't know the depths of a persons mind.
I actually think the last sentence is a fair point. As it would be easy for them to just start saying “oh yeah, not me dude, totally.” That’s a reasonable assumption. But it still doesn’t erase the people who are genuine in their pledge.
>accusing me of being a pedophile does nothing for your case. You're a pedo and a liar.
Uhh…, that wasn’t me? Nice assumption. Of course, if two people are even remotely on the same side than they must be the exact same person. Can you prove that was me? Not on an anonymous image board. Just as I can’t prove it wasn’t me. But golly jee, it sure does conveniently fit your narrative, huh? This a moot point, the criticism of you being assumptions by default still stands.
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No.35013
>>34998
>>34997
>No, I don't think that's extreme. Yeah, the party of pedos in prison, organizations like nambla and on the registry is far too large. If possible I'd like to shrink it down to zero.
Ok? What does listing off those obviously evil groups do? Make note they exist? I never denied there was a really evil side to pedophilia. The problem I have with all of this is the immediate assumption from you, how every single pedophile is like this. And therefore, every single pedophile supposedly deserves the same capital punishment.
>I was merely establishing a precedent.
Ok? It doesn’t really prove or add to anything. It was really just fluff and filler. I guess because it was done back then, that immediately means it’s ok to do now?
>Complexity for the sake of complexity is pointless. Like I said I'd rather just destroy the dirt and be done with it. Life in prison is inhuman by the way. An execution is much more merciful and less sadistic than effectively ending their life but keeping them around to suffer in prison.
But this is a complex issue, you hand waving it away does nothing to disprove that statement. Yes, yes, I know you’d rather just kill them all, must you be so repetitive? Repetition isn’t an argument. Or do you really feel the need to remind me of your stance?
And yeah, prison isn’t pleasant. No shit people who commit crimes should suffer the consequences. And child molestation is pretty heinous. I actually understand your stance, but I still don’t think it’s fair to immediately sentence a person to death when they haven’t molested anyone. Regardless, going of your religious statement, would sentencing them to death only to be immediately sent to an eternity in hell because they’re such reprobate really be much better? This whole critique is moot.
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No.35014
>>34998
>>34997
> Also the most effective. Those all sound like positives. I see no reason in meaningless circlejerking over this topic when I have the answer. A dead pedo can't molest anyone.
This isn’t about effectiveness, you turned it to that for convivence, this is about morals. Yeah, you have an answer, but someone can still answer 2 + 2 = 5. Just because you say you have a supposed solution, doesn’t mean it’s the right one.
> I don't need to explain why I'm against pedophiles. An execution is just the most effective and least costly way of stopping a pedo. I also have religious reasons.
I was asking more why you feel your solution to be the most morally sound. Yeah, it’s the most effective, just as, again, sweeping the dirt under the rug is effective. It’s still a sloppy job.
> Nu uh, I have explained how it is effective and merciful.
Most of your arguments are based around restating what I say and then just saying I’m wrong because of “morals” and “efficacy.” That’s not entirely convincing. Inb4: It’s your fault for not aggreging with me and refusing to be convinced. That’s kinda, sort of all I get out of this…
> Prison in and of itself is unjust. It ruins lives and inflicts unjust suffering rather than ending it as an execution would. It should be abolished as a punishment.
If you commit a crime, you deserve to be punished. By unjust, I meant, punishing a person who has not committed a crime. Which is what you suggest as being the best solution.
>Well you are a pedo.
And you’re an idiot. Quite the compelling statement, huh? Sure showed you I did. In case you couldn’t tell, that was me turning around what you said, and showing it for all it’s worth. Blame the witch blame the witch.
>This should never happen. They should be immediately executed after the trial and the judge has to watch the execution. That's not really the death penalty as these fuckers are kept there for many, many years.
Irrelevant to the topic at hand. You made a claim and I proved it wrong. That’s all there is to it. Backpaddling and saying, “well it shouldn’t be a thing to begin with” is worthless.
>Yeah, nothing else really needs to be said. They should be killed by righteous government because the end of their life is the end of a pedo the end of a pedo is the end of the danger they pose to children. Why you keep replying to me when you think all I have is a claim is the better question.
Cause I disagree with you and think you’re horribly wrong. This is your chance to prove me otherwise, but you’ve hardly made a convincing claim on your part. Saying nothing else needs to be said is more or less, you, indirectly admitting to the criticism, which was your inability to argue beyond stating the same stance multiple times. But never the why. Never do you detail how you rationally came to this conclusion. All you did was say I’m wrong to every point I make, and well… that’s all she wrote.
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No.35031
>>35012
>your own
No, it's not my own its God's law.
>black and white morals
You say this only because there are definite lines not to cross in the morality you call my own. That its not morally relativistic, that it takes an actual stand and says that there are things that are wrong in this world and prescribes an actual solution. "black and white" are just modernistic buzzwords for any morality that says there is a right and wrong. Lusting after children is wrong, and it would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.
>All you can do is nitpick, twist around
This is just shit talk. It isn't nitpicking to know that the word "everyone" applies to pedos. That a "righteous" and "decent" solution for them would please them. That's just basic logic and why I said I am against any outcome that pleases a them.
>Why are these morals valid?
Because they are biblical and the bible is the word of God. Who has the only moral standard that matters.
>hasn’t committed a crime
By who's standard? Regardless they pose a unique threat to children, I see no reason to keep around a ticking timebomb that targets children.
>Your entire thesis is based around the assumption that every one of them will act out
No, you are purposefully putting words in my mouth. You've been nothing but a dishonest weasel in this discussion, which really doesn't help your do-nothing, solutionless, fence sitting side. I'd expect no less from a pedo.
>pedo’s who do realize what is right and wrong
They can say what they want, but how is anyone to know whether this is true or not? I have no reason to trust a reprobate.
>who don’t wish to harm anyone
If a reprobate says they don't want to hurt anyone does that mean what they say is true or that they will not harm anyone?
>These people don’t choose to have these feelings
They were evil to begin, and this lead them to having these vile affections. They have the free will to choose, but won't turn from this.
>What makes you immediately higher than these “reprobates?”
Not being reprobate or rejected by God for rejecting him and given over to these vile affection.
>why this moral authority is the highest of them all?
Because that is what God is. Moral arbiter is his innate nature.
>Immediate death isn’t decent
Why not? It is for evil doers and reprobates. Besides it is a mercy, spearing them and children from suffering.
> Instead of even attempting to aid them
Why would I bother attempting such a thing?
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No.35032
>>35031
>Regardless if they repent
They're reprobate, and will never repent. It's not that they can not, but that they will not.
>if person is Y then they are guaranteed to do X
I never said there is a guarantee, other than the guarantee that they are incapable of abusing a child if they're dead. Just like there is a guarantee that a rabid dog won't harm anyone if you put it down. There is no reason to keep them alive in a tiny cell to suffer and soak up more taxpayer dollars than are necessary to depose of them.
>that wasn’t me?
You sound like him, and I have reason to distrust you. Why someone would waste their time supporting pedos is beyond me. You have some incentive to shill for their interests. That's enough for me to suspect you. You have to be some kind of sick fuck to do such a thing.
>Ok?
You whine saying I don't expand on my position, and act like a bitch when I do, specifically naming what groups should be the first on the chopping block.
>every single pedophile is like this
Another lie, and you complain about my repetition. A repetitive truth is much better than the endless lying and dishonesty coming from you.
>It doesn’t really prove or add to anything
Where are your proofs for all of the claims you've made? Not that I would accept it over anything the word of God says. You attempt to hold me to a standard you don't hold yourself to. Saying something is extreme is a value judgement, like saying something is gross, value judgements made by man are subjective by their very nature, it proves that it is and has been considered a just punishment. Just and extreme by human standards are both value judgements meaning they're both subjective. What gives your subjective feelings on the matter authority over the subjective feelings of others? Your secular morality is trapped in this paradigm.
>But this is a complex issue
No. Who said saying its so doesn't make it true?
>Repetition isn’t an argument
Nothing about my argument has been refuted. It will always be an argument because its simply a fact that a dead pedo poses no threat to a child.
>prison isn’t pleasant
Its cruel and unbiblical. Full of people who haven't actually committed any real crime.
>sentence a person to death when they haven’t molested anyone
So you're not against it for those who have or no?
>immediately sent to an eternity in hell because they’re such reprobate really be much better?
Of course. The state of being reprobate means they have been given up by God for rejecting him themselves, given over to a reprobate mind and to vile affections (pedophilia, friendgotry, bestiality). They will burn there eternally so when they start their eternity doesn't change anything. I'm sure you aren't saved so none of this means anything to you. As far as you're concerned this isn't the case.
>This isn’t about effectiveness
And you're the one who decided what this is about? Well, luckily its about both morality and effectiveness for me. An execution is an effective and moral way of dealing with the pedo problem.
>doesn’t mean it’s the right one
Morality isn't a math equation that can be prove objectively right or wrong. In the secular world it's all just as subjective as whether you like a color or not. Morality is a spiritual issue.
>It’s still a sloppy job
That's more akin to hiding them in a prison. Not cleanly destroying the dirt. Ridding this world of the dirt speck one by one is nothing like sweeping it under the rug.
>That’s not entirely convincing
I'm not trying to convince, if I was I wouldn't insult and polarize the person I'm trying to convince. I merely enjoy expressing myself, and you enjoy acting like a smart ass. I mean what would convincing you archive anyway? Not like you'll go on to be a influential politician who will institute these laws in my country. Nothing changes here. You and I are nothing.
>not committed a crime
Yes, that's because no nothing men are in charge of the government. Why is it a crime because some fat old fucks in suits says it is. Why does that make it a legitimate crime? Not because they are an objective moral authority, that's for sure.
>And you’re an idiot
I know you are but what am I?
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No.35036
>>35032
>Irrelevant to the topic at hand
No, that part about the keeping them alive after the trial costing 90,000$ per year more is irrelevant because my claim was that a swift execution right after the trail would cost less, not that the death penalty in 2017 America was cheaper than keeping them in prison for life. The process is cheaper if you actually tackle my claim. I even explained what I meant by swiftly in that very post, right after the trial.
I said.
>swiftly executing them would also be less of a waste of money
Nothing about the death penalty how it is in 2017 America. I accept the part about the trial cost. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/nyregion/citys-annual-cost-per-inmate-is-nearly-168000-study-says.html
So just keeping one normal prisoner alive is $167,731, average American male lives for 80 years. You do the math and it doesn't take very long for the $167,731 per year (plus the $740,000) to quickly exceed the cost of a death penalty trial. You were dishonest about what my claim was. swiftly execute =/= keeping them alive for roughly 15 years more years after the trial.
But wait there's more, the average age of a prisoner is 33 years old, if they live out the life span of the average american that $167,731 will eventually build up to cost 7.883.357 in 47 years plus the non death penalty trial cost after multiplication. On the other hand, 167,731 + 90,000 = 257.731 x 15 (average years they spend on death row) = 3,865,965 + 1,260,000 = 5,125,965. 7.883.357 is greater than 5,125,965 so you'd still be wrong if that was the claim I made, but it wasn't so you're wrong either way.
>worthless
What is it that you think all of this circlejerking is supposed to accomplish?
>think you’re horribly wrong
When are you going to show me how wrong I am? You like to go on about what you want to think I'm doing, but you haven't proven a hell of a lot yourself.
>the criticism
You seriously think you've provided me with criticism? Your big criticism is that you don't like my solution, such criticism, wow.
>I’m wrong to every point I make
Care to tell me your points in short bullet-point format? I seriously don't see any of you points.
>that’s all she wrote
Is that like the psudo-intellectual's mic drop?
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No.35039
I´m pretty much there. I was Homeless for a few years during my apprenticeship as
Specialist for warehouse logistics.
After most of my friends just… Disconnected with eachother i told myself that i will finish my education no matter what, get my own appartment, get a better paid job and pay the rest of my debts, in that order.
Almost done with the debt. I only have a year long contract at my job but its enough to get it done.
After that i hope to get a nice parttime job so i spend less time with people who hate me anyway and more with videogames. The rent is rather low so it might work out.
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No.35151
An ideal life, huh?
Well, firstly I want to survive my required four years in the army, or go for longer if it's fun. Then I'd like to be able to use my work experience from the force to get a civilian occupation. Hopefully get a nice little abode, or maybe meet someone nice and contribute to my family tree, as my siblings wont, so the fate of my father's clan rests with me alone.
I'm sure I'll never meet anyone nice, and that knowing my luck I'll get killed while in service, but it's nice to dream I suppose.
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No.35175
>>35151
What kind of barbaric country requires four years of service?
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No.35187
To become a disappointment and eventually kill myself before the age of 23. Pretty easy goal.
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No.35188
>>35175
The same kinda of country that has been constantly at war for all but ten years of its existence.
Also, if you include the time I need to put in for reserves, it comes out to eight years.
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No.35192
>>34891
To fall in love with someone who loves me back. If I could achieve that, I'd be happy for life.
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No.35811
>>34891
I'd like to become a well-renowned film director with a reputation on-par with Stanley Kubrick or Christopher Nolan. I'm a huge cinephile, and being a director not only seems like the most consummate form of artist there is, but it also seems like the best way to leave a lasting legacy behind.
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No.36043
I'd like to not be alone anymore.
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No.36044
To live in complete isolation from everything and everyone for as long as I need to. I just want to rest.
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No.36045
I want to become eternal. Not necessarily conventionally immortal, just for all that composes my mind, whether it is contained in a biological brain or its entire structure is transferred to a different substrate, to exist for as long as the universe does. I am willing to do a lot in life to achieve this, but I have failed at many of what I can imagine would have been big advantages because I am depressed and suicidal and a general failure. Short term goals: living through the rest of the year. Long term goals: Living forever.
Hopefully then I can have enough time to get to work on improving human communication as a whole (I think language is getting outdated, and we weren't prepared by nature for the complexity of the world we've made for ourselves) and assisting the human race significantly in what I see as the race for all life to become God.
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No.36052
I would like to have a large family, and I would like to see my kids stay close and be good friends when they've grown. My father was indifferent about his siblings, and my mother tends to end up disliking her siblings shortly after reconciling. So I never had many close relatives other than my direct family, and that's no fun. I would do all this for my grandchildren to have many aunts and uncles, and many cousins.
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No.36118
To be economically self-sufficient and have lots of free time to work on stuff like music and photography while being disciplined enough to see projects all the way through.
I think I might like to have a family eventually but I'm not sure if that's really desirable or even achievable for a natural shut-in like me.
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