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>>138084

What books are you reading?

Anyway, I have astrally projected from waking many times. And when I was younger and not into occult stuff I did dream-entry into lucid dreaming (I forget the terminology, not WILD but the other variant).

Since then I have lost the ability to do it easily, just from working and everyday life resulting in not doing it anymore. Trying to relearn it again.

Some thoughts:

* Doing it from waking does not have to be difficult. If you can meditate and relax you can do it. There are terms for "astral body" which is your body as your mind kind of senses it. You need to disassociate your physical body from your astral body temporarily. This is done by relaxing your physical body and feeling or "vibrating" your astral body. And then you just move your astral body. Getting the head to separate is the hardest imo, if you are in a bed I find that the so called "rolling-out" - method is the best. (You roll out of bed and your body). It seems at any rate like you need some violence in the movement of separating your head. On this matter, you may try to play around with the impulse of sitting up rapidly. That is you find the impulse that comes before action and you don't do the action until you can feel it applying only to your astral body.

*Thoughts I am kind of processing*

I have been focusing on memory and remembering in general. Making some affirmations to remember. You have dreams every night essentially and part of being lucid is remembering contexts. This is true in life and in dream life.

I no longer believe in dreams being just dreams, like they perhaps do on r/luciddreaming. I also believe, in accordance with what many occult writers say, that dreaming is the same as astrally projection. The difference between entering a lucid state during a dream and from awake I think is the order in which "fall asleep" and establish your context. The last three words are a bit imprecise but it has to do with what a "lucid state" is.

I don't think the "lucid state" is just realizing that you are dreaming obviously. I think in the material plane you may well be not lucid at times. Lucid is some meditative state, not sure exactly what terminology to use.

Lucid dreamers use "reality checks", I don't want to do it in that way even though it is obviously effective. It is because I do not want to affirm that dreams are not real. I may use the techniques in a modified way, but for me the entering into lucidity should not be associated with the words "this is not real" or whatever it may be.

*Books I have read on the matter*

Most obvious relevant book is "The art of astral projection" by Ophiel. I don't remember it very well so I won't defend in it's entirety, but the practical instruction I believe is helpful and no doubt you can employ it to astrally project.

"The way of the Shaman" I think also deals with sending you to astral planes (like essentially all kinds of spiritual travel), but with completely different terminology. I think this way is much harder but possibly deeper and more specific in some way.

>>138088

Thank you for the book recommendations!

I'm making my way through Atkinson as well as a handful of assorted books to read afterwards on the application of mentalism. Still new to a lot of the concepts, as familiar as they are to me, so I'm not able to burn through 100+ pages a day like I could with a novel. I'm just fighting the obligations and time constraints of a life still lived through mundane means.

As far as belief in the metaphysical aspect, I'm fully onboard with most, if not all, of Atkinson's analysis of The Arcane as well as Montalk's writings, as I've researched enough mythology/symbol and seen enough spiritual intervention in my own life for these teachings to make logical sense.

I feel like I actually got pretty close to lucid dreaming last night, but I had the strangest experience of it.

I was attempting the WILD technique, and got to a point where sleep paralysis had almost set in (body was heavy and changing temperature) when the heartbeat in my ears turned to a strange warbly rumble that sounded like a guitar flange or synthesizer, followed by what felt like someone/something hitting me square in the forehead. The first time jarred me awake, but I went back to my mediation and it happened two more times before I eventually slipped into a normal dream. It was very strange, it felt like the palm of a hand hitting the inside of my foreheadwith some decent force behind it too I might addand was preceded by the same strange sound every time. I only ever saw colors flurrying in front of my eyes, not taking any form or lasting very long.

Maybe reading some of what you've listed will help.>>138088

>>138091

I think some of Atkinson's writings are a bit strange and offputting, probably because he has written so much it's difficult to find all of it palatable. Certainly many things he writes is v reasonable particularly relating to mentalism. In practical terms tho you have to do what works for you, of course it's good to get ideas from somewhere.

I have also had head pressures and weird defibrillator charging noises in my head when I have been sleep paralysis adjacent. I don't actually think you have to be in real deep sleep paralysis to project, depends on what you mean by it.

Anyway what has helped for me is learning what is called "energy work" and if you get really bad head pressures try to dissipate the energy of give it something to do. Like "spinning chakras" or whatever makes sense for you…

Sometimes I have gently aborted due to excessive head pressure but I always kind of regretted not seeing where it was going. Now I always atleast try to lean into it, staying extra aware of what is happening moment by moment.

Just my 2 cents, maybe someone has different experiences and can offer some insight.