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>>133059

no, i do not know any saturnic rituals.

>>133068

Holy shit you're woke

The only ritual that's intrinsically Satanist is invoking the concept of Satan into yourself. And the entity of Satan is so ill-defined that you'll probably be better off using an actual god like Mars or Pluto. Most Satanist rituals are just regular rituals with Satanism flavoring thrown in to get the operator is a mystic mood.

Yes, Satan isn't really a thing the way it's commonly thought of. Entities exist and one may be called this, but that be the extent of it.

What Satanism is, is basically Christianity. You have to believe in Christianity in order to believe in Satan.

Also the symbols are retarded, they're not unholy or even mean anything other than actual Christianity. I've seen churches here in London with pentagram stained glass windows. Upside down crosses are a sign of humility.

I know that some kill animals and throw them in public streets after with some decoration and corn. It's sad, disgusting and most of all rage inducing walking past one of them, it just makes me want to kill them all.

Here are some Jewish curses which are reflective of the left hand path

https://yiddishradioproject.org/exhibits/stutchkoff/curses.php3

They are simple verbal affirmations. Thats all, no rituals. I am not suggesting people be Jewish though. I'm not Jewish.

>>133791

https://archive.fo/H24Eg an archive of those curses

>>133777

>Holy trips of truth

St Peter was executed on an inverted cross at his request. It was a sign that he wanted to follow his Lord by dying an even more uncomfortable death as a devotion. And the pentagram as you say (both upright and inverted) aren't specifically Christian or non-Christian - Christians still believed in the older Elements system until recently, so it wasn't some unholy thing.

>>133890

St. Peter was sanic af. Haven't you read the Gnostic gospels?

Just start practicing Judaism

>>133937

This tbh, I've learned so much after picking up kabbalah. It has nothing to do with what we know of as judaism today.

Yeah any time you say to god "I wish to walk upon my own strength and ignore your wisdom and power" and then start expending your own mental powers towards some abomination of your own creation that would be black magick / Satanic.

>>133945

I would say ignoring wisdom and power, but perhaps still being inspired by it is not necessarily Satanic.

However, walking upon your own strength and ignoring all else is truly the essence of adversity, and really is the only way you can manifest an infinite power out of absolutely nothing.

I was thinking of adversarial energy rather

>>133940

Wasn't all the kaballah stuff cooked up in the mid 1800s

>>133977

Yep, that's what academia says so it must be true.

>>133981

>>133977

Kabbalah just means studying the original Torah as given by God word for word to Moses, using the different approaches of literal, metaphorical, allegorical, and esoteric readings, which by the capital letters in hebrew makes up the word PRDS, the orchard. Studying kabbalah is thus called to enter the orchard.

>>133926

>Believing the words of random heretics uncritically

Yes, I believe absolutely everything a dusty manuscript tells me

>>133989

>muh heretics

Ok so you're a heretic. That means I'm right. Ha!

>>134019

fuk u demiurge

>>134019

fuk u demiurge

>>134044

Whup tee doo. Theosophists already demonstrated this hundreds of years ago.

>>134045

When? Where? Please show me?

>>134049

Britain. It was Madame Blavatsky and the theosophical society and all those dirty Brits sometime around the late 1800's.

>>134052

Do you have any good links? What did they say that caught your attention? What conclusions did they arrive at similar to mine?

>>134055

>gall to condemn it and propose your undeveloped & incredibly infantile personal philosophy as a superior alternative.

Why are you getting mad? Can you point out specifically which parts I'm getting wrong?

>>134055

esoteric christianity claims that all gods/religion come from human ignorance.

syncretism is defined as an ATTEMPT to try and intentionally combine religions.

These are both wrong. There is no attempt to combine the religions. There is evidence that this has ALREADY been done, or that they all have a common origin. This is what I have noticed.

>>134057

This isn't me by the way. What is the difference between the update I posted and this other update? I can't find the difference.

>>134057

This version is not mine, and it's blurry and can't be read when zoomed in.

>>134060

Don't listen to this shill, it's not me. I found a slight error in the image which distorted the meaning and he doesn't want you to read the better version where I fixed it.

>>134062

Oh boy… Alright everyone. If you open their "totally legit """better""" version" it's blurred when you zoom in so all the information is lost. Don't save that version or you will be saving no knowledge. Don't know how sinister your trick is intended to be. Should I give a chuckle, perhaps.

>>134058

Read it that fast, eh?

>esoteric christianity claims that all gods/religion come from human ignorance.

It postulates that all religion is descended from universal truth, corrupted at the surface level by puny mundane minds. The kernal of truth is still present in all.

>they all have a common origin.

That's literally what the book says lol

I'm starting to suspect your judgements are based on skimming the wikipedia pages for 'syncretism' and Esoteric Christianity.

>>134064

You know the moment anyone zooms in they will see how it's all blurry and they can't read anything, and they will know you're just trolling right..?

>>134065

I tried to find the areas that mattered or were related to specifically what we talked about.

>It postulates that all religion is descended from universal truth, corrupted at the surface level by puny mundane minds. The kernal of truth is still present in all.

That I agree with, but it makes me sad and makes me consider it as untruth because of how corrupted and obfuscated that small piece of truth is. religion demands that you believe but never allows you to Know…

>That's literally what the book says lol

I guess I didn't see that part. I found the way it was written to be very roundabout. I didn't want to complain since you were nice enough to help me find it so I could read it. I wonder why, like the bible, and many other written words of special knowledge are almost always written in a very uncomfortable to read way, almost always guaranteed throughout history. Do you also notice this?

>>134065

>I'm starting to suspect your judgements are based on skimming the wikipedia pages for 'syncretism' and Esoteric Christianity.

Your mention of these things are my first ever time hearing of them. I slowly put my ideas together from little pieces of things I noticed and what others noticed. Slowly more and more things connected in ways that were undeniably not a coincidence, and then my belief in coincidence was eventually shattered.

based BO

Satanism is for queers

>>134044

Kinda? But the devil is in the details. And there's better and worse ways to get there.

>>134166

Explain all the ways?

>>134166

There's better and worse ways to get to the conclusion that all religions are the same? There's one way offered in the pic to who your responding, but that does seem to be an inadequate way…

>>134315

HERMETIC WAY BEST WAY

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy

But you can pick your poison

>>133945

Sounds like courage to me

>>134052

>>134053

Read her book, ISIS Unveiled, both parts.

ok edgelord, if you dont get a response from satan or some demon, its not real.

try to even contact a demon or anything. prove this stuff is real. nobody has been able to.

if they cant even prove their existence, how do you expect them to do things for you?

>>134322

silly mundane, where do you think you are?

>>134323

looking for the REAL paranormal or anything abnormal, not the fakes.

>>134325

??? You didn't answer my question. You are in /fringe/ and here is the guide to this place

https://8ch.net/fringe/guide.html

But where do you think you are though?

>>134326

planet of the apes

>>134321

ISIS Unveiled by Madame Blavatsky of the theosophical society is a great book but it still only scratches the surface.

By the end of it, you'll end up with so many more things you'd want to research, or better yet places to visit because the information just isn't online!

The last few pages give a good teaser about all the godamn magicians that are literally still living in the region of Babylon, Mesopotamia

>>134045

And the sure weren't the first

>>134052

Isn't she Russian?

>>134051

>>134049

>>134044

Did you really think it was a novel idea? It's something that never gets attention in public, for some reason, but people have been talking about this sort of stuff for thousands of years…

>>134055

>>134056

Using the word Syncretism to describe Perennial Philosophies is like calling a government a regime. It's a meaningless fluff word used by butthurt people, and no one really knows what's up their ass

>>134058

>These are both wrong. There is no attempt to combine the religions. There is evidence that this has ALREADY been done, or that they all have a common origin. This is what I have noticed.

I would agree with your sentiment but not with your words. There certainly are attempts to combine the religions, or at least that would be an apt description of someone trying to uncover what may have been previous attempts to combine the religions… And those original attempts were surely influenced by how the scriptures of the different religions all claim to be part of one universal theology…

Could be that there's just a rhetoric problem here

>>134065

The Anon provided an alternative explanation and you disregarded it. You don't sound like someone that actually wants dialogue. But at the same time you say this

>It postulates that all religion is descended from universal truth, corrupted at the surface level by puny mundane minds. The kernal of truth is still present in all.

I think you are just a bible thumper. There is a universal philosophy, but the bible says it best? fuck outta here.

>>134069

>and many other written words of special knowledge are almost always written in a very uncomfortable to read way

Have you ever read any scripture in their original langues with full understanding of the language, and better yet an understanding of the language as it was used at the time it was written?

Or have you just been reading trash translations corrupted with the opinions of the translator? Most commonly it just gets convoluted to death with ambiguity

>>134070

You're making it sound so mundane but when I actually followed what your saying it seems like you've got connections that most are just too arrogant to see anyways, so don't mind the naysayers

>>134332

>I think you are just a bible thumper. There is a universal philosophy, but the bible says it best? fuck outta here.

The bible? How the fuck did you get that from my post? If anything, the other guy is viewing the subject through a mundie christcuck lense. Everything he doesn't understand must be part of some sinister satanic conspiracy.

>>134340

What sort of evocation ritual should you use for these entities?

>>134348

You're the one talking about 'esoteric christianity' so if this didn't come from the bible then where did it come from?

>>134355

I only suggested that title in particular because I've found it to be the easiest Theosophy book to read and understand. You can rest assured that it would trigger any "bible-thumper."

>>134358

Oh… What about someone with zero knowledge of Christianity. Would it be easy for them? Still kinda seems silly for me. THIS is the easiest Theosophy book? Is it short or something? I bet it's satanic, well IDK but I wanted to sage but now this is totally on topic dude

>>134361

Well, I wasn't raised Christian and I still got a lot out of it. Never really cared about religion at all until I got into /fringe/ shit. I think the ease of understanding is due partly to the focus on things westerners are familiar with instead of throwing a bunch of indian and tibetan ooga booga words at you at once (like the theosphists usually do constantly). I can't vouch for it being the easiest Theosophy book of all time but it was for me, out of the ones I've read. As for if it's satanic, I really can't say. That type of designation seems very arbitrary to me.

I like all theology, and even strive to understand Satanic theology, because what the hell? Seriously the devil sure has a lot of names eh?

Anyways, what's the point of rituals though?

>>134317

That's cool so thanks. but I can't believe how much mind numbing bullshit the article is filled with

>>134332

I'm not sure what to think of this, my opinions would suggest distrust.

>>134348

Sure! blame the other guy who you completely misinterpreted to an insane degree.

>>134348

>notice things in religions

>LOL HE MUST BE A CHRISTCUCK

you did NOT read the information provided in the image.

>>134317

My last post for today, but what would you suggest as the best hermetic learning source? best free plain text internet book? There's so many but I trust so few. (and know little to none)

My message will be brief, just sharing some thoughts. The fear element of Goetia is very important to magick, and for religion, gods are feared and then loved, like emperors. Listen to me, fear creates unconscious beliefs, beliefs that are after reinforced by your conscience. Like when an atheist who decides to challenge a faith by doing something he shouldn't do, he will be a little scared and will start noticing syncronicities, the shadows at night, the noises, etc… Demons are a good way to induce organic desires into the unconscious, then the will shall triumph.

>>134350

Doesn't really matter, but if you care enough you can check the full thread at

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/12343516/

>>134402

Just stop. This isn't the way.

>>134400

Well the way I see it is you gotta know the 7 principles. The Kybalion is generally accepted as the best introduction, and it does explain the principles quite well.

It doesn't quite make any elaborate connection between specific religions, but the ideas of the principles are straightforward enough that I think connections can be made by the individual themselves.

I think the other main focus is historicity and precedent. These ideas come originally from the Emerald Tablets, and it's from a time in Egypt that the exploration of theologies flourished and there was great interest in universal ideas, perhaps originating from the Greeks attempts in philosophy

>>134402

Instead of feeding the ego of these so called 'gods' fucking dominate them and let them feed your ego

>>134402

You have a point though. Fear is an interesting tool that can be used as a stepping tool to get shit down, and I would never recommend it but it's one tool that is perhaps more effective in ignorance.

Here is what I will say though.

Although it is best to fear God and live piously, it is even better to fear what God fears and become ever more Godlike

>>134445

In my experience, what fear can accomplish in ignorance with outside help…

Hate can accomplish the exact same thing, with no outside help. The traits of ignorance and arrogance are arguably in play still though

>>134447

Actually I will clarify further,

Hate is based on fear, but wrath is based on God

>>134399

>>134398

You took my post too literally. Earlier versions of the image were full of stale /pol/isms and insistence that the author's vague personal notion of god is superior to "cuck religion." Whether that technically counts as Christianity doesn't matter, it's the same mentality behind a majority of low-grade "conspiracy" literature (mundie reinforcement). He appears to have changed, but I had to mention that what one anon accused me of is exactly what gave me an initial distaste for the image's author.

>>134457

Wait let me break this down clearly. So in your mind

>the author's vague personal notion of god is superior to "cuck religion." Whether that technically counts as Christianity doesn't matter, it's the same mentality behind a majority of low-grade "conspiracy" literature (mundie reinforcement).

means

is indicative of

>If anything, the other guy is viewing the subject through a mundie christcuck lense.

The way you put it, anyone that mentions any notion of religion, bad or good, must be "viewing the subject through a mundie christcuck lens"

What the fuck? What an eternal cop out to disparage all dialogue on religion. Holy fuck

>>134459

>anyone that mentions any notion of religion, bad or good

>disparage all dialogue on religion

You must have missed the part where I recommended two books on that exact subject. I'm guessing you also haven't seen the original versions of his image (the mention of which you appear to have conveniently ignored from my previous post)

>>134462

I'm literally taking your own words and nothing else.

You contradicting yourself later doesn't make you more legit, it makes you more retarded. Two wrongs don't make a right

You will never learn from your mistakes if you can't accept them. Your egotism simply knows no bounds. Keep at it though, maybe you will learn something eventually

>>134462

And incase you are so fucking blinded and naive…

You will disparage all dialogue on religion, except when you have something to say about it. Only you are allowed to bring new topics in a discussion when you are having a discussion. PURE CANCER

>>134463

I admit I didn't express myself as precisely as I should have, but that doesn't make your conjecture any more correct. Since you're so obverse to clarifying these misconstructions, I can only assume you're loosh farming, and don't really care about the quality of discussion.

>>134466

Okay I shall narrate to you as well

>I say you disparage all dialogue on religion

<You must have missed the part where I recommended two books on that exact subject.

>I say You will disparage all dialogue on religion, except when you have something to say about it. Only you are allowed to bring new topics in a discussion when you are having a discussion. PURE CANCER

>Since you're so obverse to clarifying these misconstructions

All I have been doing is trying to clarify YOUR misconstructions holy fuck you are retarded

>>134466

>but that doesn't make your conjecture any more correct.

Well if you've actually been paying attention to a single thing that I said for myself, then yes by all means refer to anything that I have said and I will gladly elaborate

>>134416

I for one like the way that Atkinson defines certain concepts in the Kybalion. And I mean not even the stuff about the different levels and sublevels of reality etc.. That stuff takes more imagination. But I really like how he defines things like infinity, and nothing (no-thing), and nothingness (no-thingness or not-thingness). It looks silly typing it all out here but his ideas have a nice fundamental simplicity to me.

>>133059

Why on earth would you want to know satanic rituals? I mean don't we all at least have some degree of self-preservation?