No.4411 [Last50 Posts]
Does anyone here on /film/ think certain animated works are worthy topics of discussion? Work like pics related
or am I better off at /ani/?
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No.4412
And also:
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No.4413
Yeah, go for it
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No.4455
do Japonese Animation counts?
I really like My Neighbors the Yamada.
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No.4460
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I like this one. It looks like it could be an anime, and if you search the net you'll find a lot of Japanes comments on it. But it's actually a rare Italian cartoon with music by Morricone and Alessandroni.
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No.4468
I wish Katsuhiro Otomo would direct more anime. Ever since Satoshi Kon died, there hasn't been much good.
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No.4469
Persepolis was a shitty movie but god damn it was animated beautifully
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No.4471
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>>4455
>do Japonese Animation counts?
I'd say so. But I see there's already an anime thread: >>1208
What's the best Ralph Bakshi project? I haven't seen Fritz the Cat. His other stuff can be pretty good, but often a little flawed in some way.
American Pop and Fire and Ice are probably my favourites. It would have been nice if he finished Lord of the Rings.
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No.4472
>>4468
I agree Akira is one of the few Japanese animated movies I enjoy that sequence where the protesters flee a raid whilst "Tokyo shoe shine boy" is playing, the most.
>>4469
Intriguing, what didn't you like about it? Did you watch the English or original version? And I agree the animation was ace, hand drawn as well
>>4471
I've never seen his stuff, I never liked the animation, It always seemed too real. If you had to recommend one what would it be
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No.4475
>>4472
I'd recommend American Pop. It's one of his better efforts in terms of story and visuals. A lot of it is rotoscoped, but with Bakshi that's hard to get away from.
On a side note, though his films have flaws to them in a lot of cases, I'm glad that he had the balls to get them made. His use of rotoscoping was more a budget thing than a try for realism.
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No.4478
>>4472
>>4475
Yeah Bakshi is interesting for what he attempted even if it didn't always work perfectly.
I guess I should revisit Coonskin. For some reason I never finished watching it. My mistake was expecting it to be horribly offensive. But then it wasn't, so I was almost let down… :/
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No.4490
I'd never noticed this before but I like this observation:
There's a dreadful paucity of ideas on Saturday morning television that really drives me nuts. I really object to the idea in those Saturday morning shows that the only way we can solve problems is in groups. Our whole history has evolved from individuals, not from group behavior.
– Chuck Jones, 1989
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No.4493
>>4471
The full movie is on youtube.
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No.4506
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Any love for Feherlofia(1981)? IMO it's absolutely unique, fun to watch and has an art style that goes hand in hand with the subject matter. It's a great example of what can be done in animation given a capable artist.
Marcell Jankovics(the director) also recently finished an animated film based on Imre Madach's The Tragedy of Man(a Hungarian answer to Paradise Lost, it seems), but I haven't been able to find a good copy online, nor does it seem easily available.
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No.4512
>>4506
YES, thank you. I've been wanting to see that for a long time.
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No.4516
>>4512
Yeah, what happened to that film? There seemed to be some minor fanfare online, it was shown in a festival or two, then it was never heard from again. I managed to find a dl of it, but it was in such low resolution i might as well not bother. Pity, as I find Jankovics's stuff really interesting. I'd love for there to be a collection of his and Pannonia studio's work.
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No.4517
>>4516
I would think it would be given a cult classic status due to the fact alone the he spent 25 years on it. I guess it's the fact that nobody knows about it but that sort of dedication and talent put in to creating an epic dream film should stem some curiosity on online animation communities.
Also his short Sisyphus is fantastic.
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No.4518
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No.4522
>>4518
What is it? I do not have karagarga. Looking at other threads, it seems like it's a good resource.
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No.4528
Oh, also check out The Secret Adventures of Tom Thumb(1993).
It uses a mix of stop motion and pixillation(stop-mo human actors) to great effect. It's fucking grotesque and disturbing, but quite pretty and touching in places.
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No.4530
>>4522
yeah, it's a torrent site for rare films
Tragedy of Man is also here: https://hdclub.org/details.php?id=15358
But that's a scene rip, so the one at KG might be marginally better
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No.4540
>>4530
Hey cheers,man! This is great! I love this board!
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No.4558
>>4528
fucking hell this is off-putting, but I will persevere through it
I know this one is a little pleb but I was absolutely taken away by the sheer beauty of Song of the sea. It's pure visual poetry, Tomm Moore really has crafted something magnificent here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W8k0q6Du2w
great soundtrack too
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No.4938
I have some Popeye DVDs and it's funny how many content warnings get slapped on a simple vintage cartoon.
First on the back of the box it says: POPEYE THE SAILOR 1933-1938 VOLUME ONE IS INTENDED FOR THE ADULT COLLECTOR AND MAY NOT BE SUITABLE FOR CHILDREN. I'd like to know about all the kids that were emotionally damaged from watching Popeye, a cartoon made for kids?
Then there's a stern warning screen when you watch the discs about "ETHNIC, SEXIST AND RACIAL PREJUDICES" that "WERE WRONG THEN AND ARE WRONG TODAY". Again it seems a little overblown – especially if only adults are supposed to watch – but I guess this sort of thing is required to cover their asses. At least they didn't cut anything out.
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No.4941
>>4938
>WERE WRONG THEN AND ARE WRONG TODAY
Genuinely Orwellian
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No.4942
>>4941
Yeah, it could be worded a bit differently. Curious that there aren't any disclaimers about smoking while we're at it. These kinds of controversies happen a lot with older media intended for kids, though(why do i feel like the term "intended for kids" devalues these shorts?).
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No.4951
Check out Piotr Kamler's Chronopolis(1982). It's an…interesting watch. It's about a mountain climber who is transported to a city of immortal god-like beings who spend their time manipulating matter into strange shapes. There is no dialogue, and the soundtrack is composed entirely of odd sounds and music that seem taken out of the Radiophonic Workshop. I'm not sure i like it as a film, but it's worth a watch for the design and mood alone.
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No.5338
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Mickey's Trailer (1938)
A personal favorite of mine to get everyone in the mood for summer vacation :D
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No.5387
>>5338
Yeah that's a cool one.
Speaking of Disney I tried Mickey Mouse Monopoly expecting an exposé of their obnoxious lobbying for perpetual copyright. I'm still looking for such a documentary because the title was misleading. It was actually a bunch of pearl-clutching professors of _____ studies lamenting the racial/gender portrayals in Disney entertainment … aka fairy tales. Sigh.
Anyway, if you know of any good Disney-related copyright docs, lemme know.
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No.5446
>>4558
I wish so badly he'd just make an adult (not lewd or necessarily even harsh, just not aimed towards kids) animated film, that way he could actually get writers on it and make a good film and not just a good kid's film.
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No.5457
>>5446
I can empathize with that. There needs to be more animated movies aimed at adult audiences in general, just animated movies that deal with more mature themes.
And why aren't there? Is there just not an audience for it?
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No.5458
I've heard that French animation can be pretty worthwhile, but I have absolutely no idea where to start (not counting Persepolis, which is part Iranian). What films or directors would you recommend?
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No.5459
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>>5458
Rene Laloux is the most obvious place to start with French animation – his big three are Fantastic Planet, Time Masters, Gandahar. And why not mention Georges Meiles too. A lot of his pioneering effects involved animation.
The embedded trailer for Chronopolis (released in France by a Polack) should spark your interest.
It could be a nostalgia thing but I have a soft spot for Lucky Luke. How many other chainsmoking cartoons are there? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke6JNVK3AWQ
A recent big budget release is Le tableau: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnO_ZfFmAKw
Telechat is a sort of weird Sesame Street (needs subtitles though): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjTUzjyuj08
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No.5460
>>5459
Laloux is a great start! I'm going to suggest The Triplets of Belleville and The Illusionist by Sylvain Chomet(Triplets is definitely a good start, such a creative film).
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No.5474
>>4471
Ive recently rewatched Wizards and it didnt strike me as it did the first time. Looked into Bakshi's other work and I like his substance but I agree with you, he's a bit too crude.
>>4506
All my yes, this was stunning.
>>4517
Sisyphus is great as well. Very curious to see his recent work.
Link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tYBlAon683s
>>4951
Added
My contribution to this thread is Night on Bald Mountain (1933), named after the musical piece. The same one as was used for the creepy part (finale?) of Fantasia. It's a pinboard animation, look up the technique if you're interested.
Crazy, ghastly, nightmarish stuff.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=13FQ1wvxVHs
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No.5475
>>5474
And a little image to go with it. It's only 8 minutes by the way, well worth your time.
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No.5481
>>5457
The cost might have something to do with it. Kids are a natural audience for animation, so it's riskier to invest in a project aimed only at adults. You pass up on all the money to be made by pulling families into the cinema.
That's how it is here anyway. I don't know why countries with state funded film industries mostly avoid adult animation.
Japan may be an outlier, but anime is more of a teenage thing right?
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No.5482
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>>5458
The French were early pioneers in animation with both the first entirely animated film(Fantasmagorie 1908) and the first serious animated film(L'Idée 1932). Interesting as film history but nowadays they aren't that important in animation.
There's also the experimental works of Georges Schwizgebel that's worth looking at. Not all of his short films are up on youtube unfortunately and his work is being produced at a snail's pace as each frame is individually made. The video embedded here is pretty repetitive but others on the playlist are far more impressive.
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No.5483
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>>5475
Pretty cool,man! Pinboard is a medium I've not seen used much. It really gives a nice sense of light.
>>5459
Talking about Le Tableau, I'd say give a shot at Gwen,le livre de Sable(1985),from the same director(Jean-Francois Laguionie).
It's made with a mix of cutout and drawn animation, but they blend very well. The cutout style allows for a very painterly look, though it's quite minimal in terms of motion. I'd really like to see more of this kind of stuff.
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No.5489
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The French animation anthology Peur(s) du noir is great
It's a collection of six stories, each with a distinct visual style of creepy monochrome
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No.5490
>>5489
> a collection of six stories
(or maybe just five)
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No.5583
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Chuck Jones probably made the biggest impact on me as a kid. I'd like to see the side project that got him fired from WB (Gay Pur-ee).
Here's one of his own productions Rikki Tikki Tavi (narrated by Orson Welles)
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No.5777
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nostalgic antidrug ridiculousness
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No.5869
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>>5777
Pied Pipper by Jiří Bárta, expressionist-or-something stop motion. (btw the language is made up)
It's hard to find it in decent quality, I have it 720x576, if you wanted.
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No.5870
>>5869
thanks i have an affinity for czech animation but i didn't know about that one
can anyone vouch for Edison and Leo (2008)? first ever canadian stop-motion
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No.7245
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You guys might like Tatu Pohjavirta
He's from Finland and does stop motion
< Part 1/3 of Elukka aka Animal (2005)
alt link: https://vimeo.com/3266114
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No.7246
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No.7255
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Cool thread. I just remembered insects are pretty nasty, ha ha.
This one is more abstract but maybe youll enjoy it
John Whitney-Matrix III (1972)
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No.7256
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"Cocoshaker" -- A silly French cartoon with 21 brief episodes
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No.7257
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...one more in case the previous video was too stupid for you
"A Phantasy in Colors"
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No.7300
>>4412
Waltz with Bashir is Israeli propaganda and has absolutely disgusting animation. Otherwise it's well made, but it's really bad when you actually think about it.
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No.7380
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No.7381
>>7380
3 minutes into the first one and I love it.
I like the idea to use Noh masks in stop motion
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No.7457
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No.7460
>>7457
Wow, I wasn't expecting that
I see the youtube description quoted Film Comment, so I tracked down a couple of their articles on Klahr
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No.7486
>>7460
thanks, definitley worth a read
i'd really like to see daylight moon, i see you can buy it here http://www.lux.org.uk/collection/works/daylight-moon
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No.7495
"First" Japanese Animated Movie Gets Release
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/momotaro-us-release-japan-1201786289/
I question if it's really the first (Japan was animating long before 1944)
>Funimation Entertainment has acquired North American rights to the restored edition of Mitsuyo Seo’s pioneering “Momotaro, Sacred Sailors” – the first feature-length animated film produced in Japan.
>“Momotaro, Sacred Sailors” was a propaganda film produced in 1944 by Shochiku Co. Ltd. and released in 1945 during the final months of World War II. With support of Funimation and others, Shochiku had restored the 74-minute, black-and-white film prior to its premiere in the Cannes Classics program.
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No.7496
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Immer Zu by Janie Geiser (1997)
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No.7498
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Labirynt (1962)
d. Jan Lenica
I'll continue the theme of cut-out animation.
Right away you'll notice a strong resemblance to Terry Gilliam and Karel Zeman.
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No.7499
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No.7513
>>7300
Animation is decent, how is it israeli propaganda?
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No.8230
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Kihachiro Kawamoto - The Breaking of Branches is Forbidden (1968)
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No.8231
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Heiki Ernits - Ärasõit (1991)
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No.8232
>>4938
>I'd like to know about all the kids that were emotionally damaged from watching Popeye, a cartoon made for kids?
That may be so, but peers at MGM, Schlesinger/WB, Lantz, and Paul Terry have all said otherwise. Even a good portion of Disney's shorts, particularly those involving Donald Duck and Goofy, were quite on the edge of inappropriate for the time.
>>4942
Because "Think of the children" is the most common defense in favor of censorship. I'm delighted there are people at Warner's who understand that, but would like to see the so-called "Censored Eleven" released.
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No.8233
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Rene Laloux is better known today for Fantastic Planet, but I know him first and foremost for "The Snails", a 1965 short about giant snails that terrorize a city. I'll never forget how much this short stuck out from the others in the $2 Walmart DVD where I first watched it.
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No.8234
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Animal Farm is another great one. The Technicolor feature from 1954 was the first animated feature from Great Britain. It was secretly financed by the CIA for its propaganda value, and to that end, the anti-Stalinism was kicked up a notch. It's got some wonderful character design and art direction, Halas and Batchelor really gave Disney a run for their money.
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No.8239
>>8232
Is Coal Black the most sexualized character that WB made?
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No.8248
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Lightning Sketches (1907)
I remember this aired on Turner Classic Movies (with a disclaimer) during a night that featured vintage animation
I think ethnic humor was popular in vaudeville. Some of it carried over to early cinema as you see here
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No.8262
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Skhizein (Jérémy Clapin,2008)
it's a little Oscar bait-y but I liked it
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No.8389
Animatrix
Coraline
Children Who Chase Lost Voices
Kubo
Paprika
Patema Inverted
Summer Wars
Thief and the Cobbler
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No.8810
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No.8823
>>8389
>Children Who Chase Lost Voices
Pretty background art doesn't make automatically make a film good. Makoto Shinkai should have stuck to what he was good at instead of trying to ape Miyazaki (who's overrated by normalfags and has his own problems).
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No.8827
>>8389
>Your Name
A movie that has been hyped to the cosmos. The poor sap who made it will be slaughtered by the people who fell for the marketing that made this ok, but amazing, film so popular when he makes his next film.
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No.8828
>>8827
*but no really amazing
Also, I hope Makoto Shinkai can survive after the hype that has been created dies.
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No.8865
Are any of these good? All nominated for Oscars 2017
Animated Short Film
Blind Vaysha dir. Theo Ushev
Borrowed Time dir. Andrew Coats, Lou Hamou-Lhadj
Pear Cider and Cigarettes dir. Robert Valley
Pearl dir. Patrick Osborne
Piper dir. Alan Barillaro
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No.9636
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No.9637
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No.10082
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When did rotoscoping start? Here is an early example
It looks like it might be 70's style but it was made in 1936
http://flashbak.com/len-lyes-1930s-fabulous-short-films-for-the-post-office-382218/
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No.10134
Rules for making a Chuck Jones Wile E Coyote cartoon
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No.10399
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Here is an account full of classic Warner Bros cartoons http://www.dailymotion.com/bugs-bunny1
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No.10413
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No.10416
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>>4411
>get told to come here from some stupid nigger on /tv/
>it's filled with fucking pseudo-intellectual faggots
You want animation? Have this piece of true art.
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No.11407
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No.11408
>>10416
As opposed to your actual intellectual faggotry? Go back to /tv/, kiddo.
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No.11410
Does this board really seem pretentious? I don't see it.
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No.11413
>>10416
Not sure if you're shit posting or just this fucking naive and ignorant of your own shit fucking taste. >>>/tv/ is that way faggot.
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No.11414
>>11410
If one is a /tv/ or r/movies babby, anything else would seem like it.
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No.11461
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A fun one for you guys: The Three Fools
"short animated sketches" from Bulgaria :)
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No.11890
TAXANDRIA isn't perfect but it's worth seeing if you like animated films. The artistic style is unique and interesting. It uses animation techniques that are "of it's time" and probably obsolete by now.
Loosely based on a graphic novel series, the film is a mix of live action and animation. It's an entry point to director Raoul Servais who is best known in his home country Belgium. After seeing Taxandria you'll be curious to see his other, better projects.
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No.12608
>>4411
I love this fucking movie
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No.12631
>>12608
>glance at screen
>misread post as "I love fucking this movie"
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No.12635
>>12631
He doesn't fuck his movies.
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No.12636
>>12635
*>He doesn't fuck his movies
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No.13406
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"Le Dernier Cri" : French publisher specialized in rather disturbing serigraphs and comics with a very low print run. http://www.lederniercri.org/
http://derniercrinews.blogspot.it/
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No.13411
>>13406
Awesome, never heard of those guys
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No.13515
>>4506
Check on rutracker, i found az ember tragédiája there.
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No.13516
Guys, i need help finding an animated movie that i watched as a kid.
I think it was japanese, and it had more than one story on it, maybe an anthology. The animation and the subjects were really obscure and eerie. I'd say based on the texture and the colors, the movie was from the 70's. I remember two bits: One, where a little girl was going to school, and she had to go through a forest, and she felt some things or monsters were observing her. The ohter one, had a lady depicted and a dog that was basically destroying her pussy by bitting her nonstop. Please help me, i've been searching for this movie for a long time now.
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No.13517
>>13516
I think it was an collecion of horror stories.
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No.13521
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>>13516
The only animated horror anthology I know is Peur(s) du noir, and it sounds like that's what you watched.
>Sumako tries walking home through the woods, but comes across Hajime's burial sight. As she tries to leave, she is accosted by Chōchin-obake, Kasa-obake, a Rokurokubi and various creatures
>the third dog is released on a dancing woman who is also given cunnilingus by the dog
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No.13528
>>13521
I think this is it, thanks a lot anon. It isn't quite as i remembered it though, really interesting how memories can (and often do) trick you.
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No.14226
I recommend "Alice" by Jan Svankmajer. It's an adaptation of Alice's adventures in wonderland which combines stop-motion puppets and live-action. The visuals are fantastic.
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No.14343
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Buñuel gets animated, interesting
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No.14365
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No.14383
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No.14386
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Yūreisen AKA The Phantom Ship (1956)
This Japanese tale of pirates at sea takes inspiration from Lotte Reiniger's silhouette animation
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No.14397
>>4468
>Ever since Satoshi Kon died
Still hurts. That man was a genius.
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No.14401
>>13516
Umezu Kazuo no Noroi?
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No.14414
Александр Константинович Петров, each frame of each of his animations is oil-paint on glass. Excellence of the product aside, it is amazing that it takes only 6 months to produce the 20 minutes of reel. To achieve the 24frames/second minimum for decent fluid motion, there would be over 150 frames to be made each day. Some shortcuts are taken, and some are visible in the result. One shortcut is to paint a frame, photograph it, slightly rearrange the wet oil paint to be as the next frame, photohraph, repeat. This is visible when the oil paint slightly darkens or lightens. If it lightens, all that would be necessary is to add some darkening to it, making it trivial to correct the error of the paint lightening, and it's only twice as difficult to correct darkened paint. Ideally he should have corrected those, but the change is so slight that it hardly effects the overall form or substance, so it never detracts from the essence of the result. Nevertheless, he is excellent, because there is little that is even close to being as good.
>>4490
I agree with the sentiment of the quote, that it often takes the audacity of one man doing things his way in order to change the world for the better. I'd like to think that I'm a member of the Homo Sapiens Audens, but I know that there is a limit to what any man can achieve, without the coöperation of a group willing to, for a probatory period, follow him.
>>4558
<visual poetry
Could you explain what pure visual poetry has to do with cinema?
>>5446
Films targeting kids are not necessarily bad. Films misunderstanding the cognitive capacity of kids ''are'.
>>5481
>Kids are a natural audience for animation
True, so are adults. Animation is a sufficiently flexible medium that one can make some fantastic low-quality products. The reason why many people produce animation targeting kids is beause they think they can get away with selling shoddy animation that is sufficiently fantastic that kids will like it, because they think that kids are naïve, so won't know better unless their parents have good taste or teach them to have good taste.
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>"Think of the children"
It's important for a developing mind, at least from the time that it has the basic principles pertinent to the consumption of information, to have access to as many different ｗｅｌｌ ｐｒｅｓｅｎｔｅｄ ideas as possible. Whether or not the ideas are good or bad, their principles will ensure that all the ideas they take as being good really are good, and that the ideas they take as being bad really are bad, that they will not jump to conclusions regarding the good, the bad, or the uncertain, and to ponder, discuss, question, etc, the ideas until they get to a satisfactory conclusion. Often, there are people who are knowledgeable about those ideas and can explain those ideas to them so that they can easily come to the right conclusion for themselves.
So please, think of the children, don't censor media.
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No.14415
>>14414
forgot the post number
>>8232
>"Think of the children"
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No.14960
Vimeo embed. Click thumbnail to play. BodyWorld (Kitty Faingold, 2017)
A delightfully surreal short produced at the the Royal College of Art in London
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No.15370
Vimeo embed. Click thumbnail to play. LA JOIE DE VIVRE (1934)
I watched all of it on crappy youtube, but here's a much better version
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No.15440
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No.15500
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>>4938
>sexist
The reason for that is most likely because Olive's extremely neurotic, irritating and whiny personality seems like a sexist stereotype of the average housewives of the time. Olive IS really annoying but she does have some good scenes too (like telling Bluto off in a few episodes). Her characterization is a bit uneven as well depending on the writer.
Also obligatory "Franklin the Sailorman" Kek. This Popeye bit is one of my favorites from the show.
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No.15501
Tamala 2010: A Punk Cat in Space (2002)
This one caught my eye recently. Haven't seen it yet.
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No.15502
>>15440
Why do people find Gordon ramsay funny? :(
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