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Should /sthg/ or News threads be cyclical? Assuming there's at least some continued use here then eventually the catalog will be filled with older threads of the same thing as more posts come in.

Might not be a problem for now, but you never know.

Also might as well bring up IDs, since you seem to have disabled them, I don't really mind, but just wanting to bring the topic up for discussion.

Lastly, nice to see another anon from /sthg/'s creation days, while I haven't fully given up the place, I still want to come here often to see if we can gather a small community of some sort.

Turn thread ID's back on to avoid samefaggotry. Thanks and good luck.

>>2550

Making the threads cyclical would have some pros and cons I think. On one hand it would emulate a normal board where content gets pruned after a while, keeping things ephemeral and fresh as they should be, plus it would avoid filling the board with similar threads.

On the other hand, discarding content might not be a good idea because we don't produce much of it in the first place so it's gonna look even more slow and empty. Furthermore, I don't remember what's the state of the 8chan archive projects but I don't think any of them were very successful, so letting content live a bit longer on the last pages of the board might be a good idea.

You brought up IDs as well but didn't really give any opinions for or against them. What do you think of them? Do you think we should have them or not?

>>2552

I think we should enable them if and when we have samefag issues. We're probably less than 10 people here and we're going to have threads that last for a long time and having all your posts identified sucks and goes against the idea of anon.

>>2554

I think, as you said, ID should be enabled if we have a problem with samefagging.

For now, it's fine to just leave it 100% anonymous.

>>2554

I mostly agree with the other anon. If something goes down and it becomes an issue, then it could be re-enabled again.

It's common for boards to have a sticky with information and useful resources for new posters. We currently have none. Should we make one? If we did, what should we put in it?

>>2681

I like the idea, but I’m not really sure what we would through in it outside of a basic overview of the board and maybe a link to read all the comics or something.

As we're getting faster (it's actually slowly happening) we're sometimes automatically featured as a trending board in the top navigation bar and people might choose to visit us, which makes the need for an introductory sticky post bigger. Here's something I wrote to at least kickstart it. I don't like it a lot, I feel like it could be worded differently and using less space, and I feel like it's missing useful stuff. I'm also not sure what other resources or sections to add.

If you have suggestions I'd love to hear them. I'll put it up shortly otherwise and edit the post as necessary later on.

By the way, generally when we're featured as a trending board we get a bit of spam. So far those threads have been removed rather quickly, but if you see spam please report and ignore. Thanks.

Welcome to /fast/, 8chan's Sonic the Hedgehog discussion board.

>What is this place?

This place was created in the 2014 4chan exodus to serve as a place for anons of 4chan's Sonic the Hedgehog General (/sthg/) to migrate to. Back then it didn't have a lot of success, so it remained as a backup place for /sthg/ in times of 4chan outages. Right now some of us are trying to repurpose it into an alternative to the original general.

Since we're currently few here, we're mostly staying in a general thread where everything goes to make the posting seem faster (instead of having many threads with very few posts each). I'm sure you'll find the current one below, and in its OP you'll find updated resources and news. If you need to discuss something about the board itself, there's a meta thread to that extent as well.

>Resources

Password of files where required is generally /sthg/.

Sonic Boom Seasons 1 & 2 can be watched here:

https://kimcartoon.me/Cartoon/Sonic-Boom

https://kimcartoon.me/Cartoon/Sonic-Boom-Season-2

Sonic comics:

IDW: https://mega.nz/#F!65oBCaoQ!8lkn8JebzaZensDJbLxDeg

Archie and Fleetway: https://mega.co.nz/#F!OcU0hY4Q!gDuyY2yX5h4sa8iBk8-4ew

Other links (soundtracks, games, image packs, etc.): https://pastebin.com/gSsdpUB5

Board administration log: https://sys.8ch.net/log.php?page=1&board=fast

>>3843

Hmm, I feel like it's got just about everything needed. Links to the comics, Boom, OSTs & games, while also giving a quick overview about the history of the board.

If you were to add anything, maybe some rules as to what is or isn't allowed here, if needed?

>>3847

I was going to make a follow up post about rules but I got a phone call. The thing with rules is that they need to be remade from scratch. The current rules page is here: https://8ch.net/fast/rules.html

In my opinion, those rules aren't very extensive or clear enough, and some things would probably need to be changed, but it's a sensitive topic and I don't want to just change them alone. We're going to need clearer definitions on what's allowed and what's not (avatarfagging, lewds, etc.) and some guidelines for people to follow when posting (tripfagging, for example). I feel like 4chan's rules are not a bad base to get started with and then change to our convenience.

I do agree that they should be in the sticky, but it's best if we add them later, when we've had time to make some rules we agree and are comfortable with.

>>3848

True. I suppose as we get faster & faster as we as getting more newcomers, we can go over what would be allowed & what won't.

>>4039

I'm fine with no NSFW. Like the rule page says, there's other boards specifically for it, so whatever.

Question: Are there any plans to address the looming issue that the General threads are eventually going to dominate the board? All other threads move so slowly that they're being slowly pushed off the front page, and eventually may even 404 entirely.

>>5719

Short answer: no, there are no plans regarding that issue.

So far we only get a bunch of posts each day and we've made 9 generals in like 1 or 2 months, which isn't even a full page, so it's not like other threads don't have a chance of surviving. At this rate if you created a thread today it'd take almost a year for it to fall off the last page if no one posted in it, but I understand that the issue is more that they have very little activity rather than them 404ing.

While it'd be nice to be able to make better use of the board, at this point I don't think it's really that necessary and I'd say if organizing ourselves in a general is what suits us better, then we should keep doing it. If we grow to the point of making thousands of posts each day (4/sthg/ would fill 2 to 4 of our 300 posts generals in a day) then we can start using the board more normally. If it becomes too troublesome before that we could increase the bump limit or add more pages to the board.

But ultimately it's up to everyone how we use the board. What do you think about the issue yourself and what would you do to make it better?

Where do we draw the line between what's too lewd and what's okay to post? For example, should these be allowed to stay or not?

>>5738

>>5737

What about dumb posts like these?

>>5746

>>5734

>>5748

I concur

>>5750

What do you concur with? I only asked questions, didn't make any statements.

>>5748

Not the BO, but I would probably delete those type of posts.

It's good to have more new anons coming in if we want to have an active board so I wouldn't ban 'em, just make it clear that we're trying to avoid having this place go down the same route 4/sthg/ has gone down.

>>5748

Would appreciate some more opinions on this topic.

>>6000

>I would probably delete those type of posts

I also think they shouldn't be allowed here but I wouldn't want to look too much no fun allowed, so it's good to know if other people think it's reasonable to delete them or not.

>>6038

Heh, didn't know we have volunteers now. Cool.

Anyways you raise a fair point, it would probably cause issues deleting relatively harmless posts like that. I suppose so long as it's not, for lack of a better example, someone spamming "x is shit & you're all shit for liking it!" over & over, it's fine.

>>6038

How does one apply to be a volunteer?

>>6108

There's currently no way for that since there's no need. We'll cross that bridge when we get there.

>>6112

It feels like there's no purpose in allowing them since they were just posted by people trying to feel smart because of posting something suggestive and in a gray area in a SFW board. They're not part of a relevant discussion, and they only encourage posting more of the same or even lewder images since it's just posting suggestive stuff for the sake of it. It feels like something that should stay in 4/sthg/ and we would want to avoid here.

Turns out there were spoiler and file deleted image assets left over from previous BO, they just were left disabled for some reason and I never thought to check if there was something loaded into the board because I thought if there was, the option to show them would have been left enabled. I just enabled them back. Suggestions on changes to them are welcome.

See

>>6490

>>6493

to see how they currently look.

>>6495

You want some spoiler image suggestions?

I would recommend the Shard "it's a secret to everyone" pic, but I don't have it on me, sadly.

>>6126

Hi, I just wanted you to know I was the one that posted that Blaze and Silver image, which I'm sorry for if it caused any problems. I did do it because I like those characters but I didn't realize it was too lewd. I won't be doing that ever again.

Added a new banner to the rotation, so you should see it from time to time at the top of the board. See >>6553

>>6542

Not bad, what do the rest think? Should we replace the current one with this one? It's a bit too colorful for my tastes but it's still a solid pick.

>>6576

Sweet. Nice to see some new banners being added.

>>6576

I like the colorful one more but i know rainbows are not everyone's cup of tea

>>6112

Post like >>7343 should be deleted, yes?

What are your thoughts on posting the link to /fast/ on halfchan's /sthg/? I posted (a screenshot of) the link there around a month ago, and two very…shitposty people from halfchan now post here. I feel like posting the link there might be lowering the quality of the board.

>>7405

We share the concern about the kind of people it might attract to post about this place in other places, but the unfortunate truth is that unless we start doing it, we're not going to grow, so we're eventually going to have to risk it. We've been thinking of signing the board up for 8chan's Attention Hungry Games too, to try to get some new users from within the site as well. We'll get to that when we stop being lazy.

Regarding the two people you mention, we think we know who you're talking about. We haven't sent them for a vacation yet because there have not been any specific rule violations and people wanted more lenient rules, plus there haven't been any reports, complaints, or even comments from people (outside of like, yesterday and today) about them. One of them might be leaving soon, however, because it's too obvious and doesn't really contribute anything worth a damn.

We'd like to at least try to be careful regarding moderation because it's easy to fall into deleting things and banning people for things you don't agree with instead of genuine rule violations, and it's hard to do that in cases like these (no explicit violations and no feedback from users), specially when also taking into account that we're still few anons here and beggars (for users) can't be choosers (regarding content posted). When we grow a little bit more we can be a bit more restrictive with what stays and what doesn't.

We appreciate feedback on subjects like these, so thanks for posting.

>>7346

That post didn't last 5 minutes up.

>>7421

I've nominated /fast/ for those games in the past, no worries.

>>7427

>That pic

Kek, amazing.

>>7405

Only an anon, but I don't mind it so long as we don't let any shitposter from there that comes here run rampant.

>>7421

Getting more people from halfchan is shit but you probably want more of that than trying to attract more anons from 8ch. The latter, you're just going to get discussion go full "Ian is full SJW poz etc etc".

>>7421

>growth

A thought: has anyone reached out to the /sthg/ Discord?

>>7587

I'm not sure how welcomed that place would be here, but so long as anyone who shows up here is on their best behavior it's fine, imo.

>>7421

Any thoughts as to dropping a link to this board in the Sonic General on the /vg/ board here? OP post is dated September 2014 and the thread has 81 posts (but isn't on the last page surprisingly) so I don't think anyone is there really, BUT /vg/ the board sits high enough to be on 8chan's homepage so if anyone was to look there for a Sonic thread they might see it.

>>7859

>Any thoughts as to dropping a link to this board in the Sonic General on the /vg/ board here?

Wasn't that already the case once before? Or I mean, it was once referenced I though, but at the same time, last time I was there I heard linking to 8ch was against the rules or something because of the more lewder, "questionable" side of 8ch I guess, but either way, I'm not too sure about it since most of the users of half chan's /sthg/ is rampant with shitposters, it's honestly more of a lost than a gain until its problems are contained. If anything, I'd ask other Sonic forums moreso than not, since those people are likely to be more productive since with usernames, they'd have to stay in line with their behavior.

Just my 2 cents. I wouldn't have mind some merging of /4/sthg/ with /8/sthg and the rest of the board, but as of late, quality control on 4chan as a whole has been borderline cancer tbqh.

>>7900

He means the general on 8chan's /vg/, >>>/vg/

>>7859

Sounds like a good idea.

>>7912

You know I keep forgetting that's a thing. My bad.

How active is it on /8/vg/ anyways? Is it anywhere as active as /4/vg?

>>7923

It's not as active as 4/vg/, but it's pretty lively.

Throwing a link for here on that board couldn't hurt.

>>7972

Well, I suppose it's not needed since we're seemingly picking up in activity the last few days.

That being said, I hope we don't get too many people trying to start shit.

>>9127

I don't mind, more the merrier.

>>9127

Sure, sounds cool.

>>9129

>>9139

Because she's a good person and has been contributing OC to /sthg/ since the very beginning.

I fail to see the issue here.

>>9142

>>9143

I do not remember anything good coming from her, only trouble, and what I remember of her art was that the style was just generic furry stuff and mostly about her OC. Oh, and that she really loved to post cropped (mostly porn) pictures and not posting the full images. I'd rather the 'contribution' be kept at 4/sthg/. Hope she's not one of the two that want to come.

>since the very beginning

She didn't join until much later fortunately.

>>9146

>her art was that the style was just generic furry stuff and mostly about her OC.

Who cares; at least it's popular and liked. I draw on the style and put my own bend into it and no one cares.

>>9147

Yes, and?

>>9153

>at least it's popular and liked

With whom? The same people that we're trying to run away from? More reason to keep it there and not here if anything. Plus her stuff was never really popular and liked, just controversial.

>>9162

How much of an objective asshole do you have to be to say "Nobody actually likes your art"? I mean, do you realize what you're saying?

>fuck someone who's been a popular drawfag for this general for years

There's no nuance. You are literally advocating for the type of attitude /fast/ had desperately tried to move away from.

>>9171

>How much of an objective asshole do you have to be to say "Nobody actually likes your art"? I mean, do you realize what you're saying?

I do not agree with your assertion that her art was "popular and liked" in the general.

>You are literally advocating for the type of attitude /fast/ had desperately tried to move away from

I'm advocating for us not to repeat previous mistakes again. I was there when she joined and I've shared the place with her and things were much better without her. I remember plenty of people telling her to fuck off and I would like to keep her away myself. The fact that you keep using "popular" as a word to defend someone in an anonymous imageboard should give you a hint that she should just stay in halfchan, and maybe you too.

>>9175

The anon you're replying to isn't even me, we don't even have the same typing style.

It's well-liked and popular in the fan art community outside of 4chan.

>I was there when she joined and I've shared the place with her and things were much better without her

Why?

>and maybe you too.

Lol you sound more halfchan than I do at this point.

>>9146

Kayla-na hasn't stopped by 4/sthg/ in a long time. There are hardly any drawfags left there. Nobody wants to make OC for the place anymore, most of the drawfags were run off by LC-kun.

Can only speak for myself, but I don't have much issue with Kayla (if she's one of the two Shadowanon mentioned) showing up here, so long as no trouble is stirred up.

One of the biggest problems with 4/sthg/ was a lack of moderation, but that's not the case here. If someone comes along, doesn't start any problems & is on their best behavior, I am okay with them.

But again, that's if she's one of the two that plans on migrating here. I don't think Shadowanon has explained who the two are gonna be.

>>9175

>I remember plenty of people telling her to fuck off and I would like to keep her away myself.

You aren't actually putting forth arguments for why she's bad for this board. You're not giving any examples of "bad behavior" that she's done, other than posting non-porn pics on a non-porn board. You seem to just be jumping on the bandwagon 4/sthg/ created where suddenly no drawfags or literally anybody who could possibly be more creative than the average lurking 14yo are allowed.

I know because the same damn thing happened to me.

>>9182

4/sthg/ never turned on Yoto for some reason.

>Kayla gets mentioned

>Instant drama

lmao

I'd like if some of the supposed exiled artists showed up here though, if only so I didn't have to deal with any Discord bullshit.

>>9185

It's literally due to another anons carrying on because they dont want her here.. it's not even her fault. How you going to blame her for something she has no hand it. That's pretty ass backwards

>>9184

Hi Geek , love your art.

Guys, can we just put 4/sthg/ drama to the past and keep it there? This board has far stricter moderation and life is too short to be holding grudges about what people draw what on fucking anonymous imageboards.

>>9187

>This board has far stricter moderation

"This board has moderation" is more apt, though I'd hope it's not overly-strict.

>>9188

Nothing too strict, just some stuff to ensure people don't get too carried away.

>>9184

Welcome aboard Geek, big fan of your stuff & it's pretty cool to see you come here.

And yeah, I agree with the other anon about this whole drama mess. It's a new day, we shouldn't let any drama that took place on 4/sthg/ carry over & no one should be holding grudges because of stuff that happened on anonymous imageboards. IMO anybody that wants to come here is welcomed, so long as they come in peace.

>>9182

>You're not giving any examples of "bad behavior" that she's done, other than posting non-porn pics on a non-porn board

Everything she does, from the awful generic furry style to the constant drawing of her OC (which alone would be over the line in early /sthg/) shows she's not interested in contributing anything of worth to the threads, just in using them as her blog. The fact that she kept spamming it over the thread so that it was in everyone's face all the time just made it worse, and posting cropped pictures and keeping the full images from people on purpose is just a shitty attitude that serves no purpose other than pissing people off. Only thing she brought to the table was issues and endless discussion of her poor character (god dammit, I still remember all the shit surrounding her business practices even after years of not hearing about her at all, this is how sick I am of this). We don't need any of this here. She can go lie in the bed she helped create back in 4chan.

>You seem to just be jumping on the bandwagon 4/sthg/ created where suddenly no drawfags or literally anybody who could possibly be more creative than the average lurking 14yo are allowed.

But I didn't take issue with everyone, just with her.

>>9127

>>9180

>I don't think Shadowanon has explained who the two are gonna be.

Can you mention who the other person is so that we at least have a chance of putting this discussion to rest if there's no point to it?

>>9177

>Kayla-na hasn't stopped by 4/sthg/ in a long time

I can't believe they finally ran her out. Even after all the hell that was raised and how clear it was she wasn't welcomed, she wouldn't leave.

>There are hardly any drawfags left there

Is it really that bad? There were tens of drawfags before, I can't believe they would all leave.

>>9187

>life is too short to be holding grudges about what people draw what on fucking anonymous imageboards

The problem is that the only way to prevent certain things from happening is to be outspoken about them. If we didn't raise shit over namefags, Anon's Sister would still be there for instance. I don't want to have this discussion, but I do not believe this is going to do the board any favors just as we've seen it happen in the previous board.

>>9191

> awful generic furry style

thats just a style

> the constant drawing of her OC

that's just a preference

this is not a legitimate criticism except "i dont like their art or their art choices". it doesn't make sense

>shitty attitude

honestly you're not befriending her, you're not being her close friend, what's the problem? shit load of people have shit attitudes and back pasts.

>>9192

..bad pasts.. not back pasts

>>9191

She didn't do anything other drawfags weren't already doing and tend to do because holy shit, god forbid someone seek validation for the work they do.

>The fact that she kept spamming it over the thread so that it was in everyone's face all the time just made it worse

Well first of all that's impossible seeing as you can't post the same pic twice. But if you mean multiple threads, again: drawfags do that shit because sometimes they get swept up in a current of arguments disguised as discussion, or were posted nearly at the end of a thread's life.

>>9194

>drawfags do that shit because sometimes they get swept up in a current of arguments disguised as discussion, or were posted nearly at the end of a thread's life.

yup

>>9192

>thats just a style

>that's just a preference

Neither of those were good fits for the general, nor anything else she did. Even Shroak of all people got the message that he was fucking up, but apparently that was too much to ask for in this case.

>honestly you're not befriending her, you're not being her close friend

I'm still asked to share the place with her and the last time I did that it was awful and made me want to leave. Then I left and the last thing I want is to be chased here by the same people I came to leave behind.

>shit load of people have shit attitudes and back pasts.

Why would anyone advocate to include in groups people like that? If anything that would only make me want to keep them at an even bigger distance.

>>9194

>She didn't do anything other drawfags weren't already doing and tend to do

I disagree. At the time few other artfags had issues like her. Literally the whole thread turned on her at times.

>drawfags do that shit because sometimes they get swept up in a current of arguments disguised as discussion

No, I don't mean posting a finished picture in a thread or reposting it in the following one, I mean constatly, and I don't mean one picture but many, or crops of them. There was a picture she made that was composed of several smaller pictures that she cropped little parts of and reposted repeatedly, for instance. She didn't post the full one until weeks after she started doing that.

Her past in the general speaks for itself. Beats me why people would welcome someone with that kind of record.

Okay I'm not one for dragging out these types of arguments but I will ask this one thing before leaving it be. If Kayla is someone who wants to migrate here, I suppose the BO can decide on that, but I am curious: What did Kayla directly do, besides posting art with a certain style & posting porn crops that was so damaging to 4/sthg/? Beyond those two things, what did she really do in the general?

>>9227

>Neither of those were good fits for the general,

I don't really get this

>>9227

>Neither of those were good fits for the general

Who the christ fuck made you the authority of what "fit" the general? The only thing that should matter to the general is that it involves Sonic and isn't fetish art.

>>9227

>muh sekrit club

The absolute state of this anon

>>9274

>"wtf why cant I come to your party, we're best friends"

>"ummm a couple guests hate you for no real reason so yeah it's them or you"

>>9274

>force these people

Nigga, they were "invited", it's likely they won't even show up. Get your head out your ass.

>>9191

>Is it really that bad? There were tens of drawfags before, I can't believe they would all leave.

Yes. Nobody has done requests in months. Yoto, THP, BCA and a couple others drop their art in the general, but nobody actually draws for the general anymore.

The guy who killed /mmg/, LC-kun, shitposted relentlessly in 4/sthg/ for months. He falseflagged and attacked drawfags and contributed immensely to its current state. It turned out that he was a drawfag himself, and he did it out of jealousy.

He's gone now, but the damage is done and almost every content creator has fucked off.

>>9284

While LC-kun can be blamed, it wasn't all the work of one man. He kickstarted a new standard for the general, one where literally nobody was allowed to be more talented than the other. And this came right on the heels of the Bumper Engine's release.

>>9294

When do we make the museum level for realsies

I remember someone got a little annoyed with me because I draw Amy with her classic design all the time.

>>9297

It all comes down to someone really wanting to do it & gathering a team.

Thankfully, the assets to the level still exists & are still available, someone just has to snatch 'em & put them into a level. I'd do it, but my PC's a literal toaster

>>9302

>gathering a team

So who's gonna be Fury?

>>9231

She started doing it, people complained, she ignored them and she kept doing it and posting her fursona and shit in the threads. People kept complaining and the issue kept attracting attention and getting bigger. She has some sort of following that joined the threads to post in her favor (have you noticed that we've been suddenly going much faster since she's been namedropped? really makes you think) and since she still wouldn't leave, it kept escalating to the point where people started digging into details of her shady history and discussing them and so on and so forth.

>>9238

When you've been run out of as many communities as she has, maybe it's time to realize you're doing something wrong and adjust your attitude instead of blaming it on others.

>>9284

>a couple others drop their art in the general, but nobody actually draws for the general anymore.

Not sure I understand. Like, they post random Sonic art they make but they won't fill requests people make?

>>9297

Never Ever

Fuck, just the other day I came across a picture of a mock up of the level someone did and now I can't find it. I hate when this happens.

>>9319

>She started doing it, people complained, she ignored them

Posting art is not a crime, regardless if people complain. People tend to complain when basically any art is posted in the general, particularly when someone goes "uh hey if you like my art I have a tumblr". WOAH GET A LOAD OF THE JEW SHILLING FOR SHEKELS.

>When you've been run out of as many communities as she has, maybe it's time to realize you're doing something wrong

That has nothing to do with what you quoted. You have no authority to decide what's "right" for the general. This isn't fucking Rapture.

>>9319

That, didn't really answer my question. What did she do, unrelated to posting her art, that was so damaging to the general directly?

>>9319

>Not sure I understand. Like, they post random Sonic art they make but they won't fill requests people make?

Yeah, basically. The couple that are left will post their art (sometimes not even bothering to comment that they made it) but nobody does streams, nobody fills requests, nobody asks for requests.

>>9361

>nobody does streams

Because that requires linking to a Twitch channel which /sthg/ calls "shilling" even if you're not making any money off Twitch.

>nobody fills requests, nobody asks for requests

Because that apparently is "feeding the shill".

>>9320

>Posting art is not a crime, regardless if people complain

Not all art is appropriate everywhere. If you go to a new community, respect the people already there.

>That has nothing to do with what you quoted. You have no authority to decide what's "right" for the general

The point was that when you get so many people complaining about your actions to the point you're an outcast, it's hardly about me deciding for others rather than others deciding for themselves. Considering this was hardly an isolated case and that it's happened in other communities as well, it still baffles why people want to have anything to do with her, and I hope that if she steps in here all these things will be taken into account to give her the boot.

>>9385

I see.

>>9409

Anon, are you gonna ignore >>9324?

>>9409

>Not all art is appropriate everywhere.

None of her art is inappropriate. And again: you are not the authority on what isn't appropriate.

>Considering this was hardly an isolated case and that it's happened in other communities as well

I and other anons have asked you 5 times what the hell you're talking about, what she did, and you ignore it every time. At this point you're either baiting or disguising "I don't like her art" as "she's not a good person".

This is a bait thread now, I guess.

No one can be this autistic to care this much about one artist.

>>9422

I don't know why mods haven't done something about it yet.

>>9410

I think the things I've described so far paint a clear enough picture of who she is and some of the things she's done.

>>9412

>None of her art is inappropriate. And again: you are not the authority on what isn't appropriate.

How come you can decide what's appropriate but not others? You're the one making no claims other than that it's okay to post because you say so. My claims come from things that happened and reasonable and common known facts of how /sthg/'s culture used to be (eg: do not post your fursona on the board). As I also mentioned, the general ultimately decided to shun her away so that should make it pretty clear whether it's okay or not to post, irrespective of me.

>I and other anons have asked you 5 times what the hell you're talking about, what she did and you ignore it every time

I have been elaborating on that for the past several posts, but you keep ignoring everything I say. People have been banned from here for much less than the things she repeatedly did on /sthg/ (eg: posting porn crops all the god damn time). As I said above, I think I've described her actions well enough to inform those who would listen, so I have no intention to keep arguing with Kayla-Na's clique, which has been proven to lead nowhere many times before. If anyone else wants to know more about her, she has a rich history throughout the internet of the shit she's pulled that you should have no trouble digging into to find your answers.

>>9440

>reasonable and common known facts of how /sthg/'s culture used to be (eg: do not post your fursona on the board).

Actually, /sthg/ used to not only allow but encourage posting your "Sonic-sona" because it was fun, goddamnit. Quit acting like "muh toxic culture" is a good thing.

>>9442

This, we should have a culture of fun not worrying about who's doing who and making fun of others. That's why the internet is so fucking lame now.

Who's doing what.. not who's doing who.. but that's a thing too.

>>9451

This. On top of that, it seems pretty clear this anon just doesn't like Kayla's art, there's not much point in dragging this argument out any further. If she shows up here & doesn't break any of the rules, she's more than welcomed here imo.

>>9284

>He's gone now

This almost makes me want to go back if true. How is he actually gone though? I left that place a month and a half ago, so hearing this sounds impossible.

But hearing >>9294 makes me more mad as an artist. It's shit like this that made me leave another community, solely because too many people wanted to whiteknight, which got to the point no one could make friends anymore without going "someone's better than you", and it makes me sad. I hope he gets what he deserves.

>>9449

>>9442

These two posts scream manchild, I'm sorry. Why is the Internet is boring now even a statement? Listen to yourself. You make it sound like you don't have a real world life, outside, to enjoy. Maybe I'm just old, because I sound like this is what my parents say to me about being on the web for too long, which barely makes up a 5th of my daytime.

>>9496

>This almost makes me want to go back if true.

No point in doing so. Not like /sthg/ has gotten any better since he left.

Anyways, since /fast/ has garnered more activity in recent weeks, I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions for extra rules, or if what we have now is cool

>>9499

Personally I want an ironfisted policy regarding toxicity. Make /sthg/ love again.

Hi. Just so that we're all on the same page and avoid a (second) meltdown later down the line: we're not going to allow Kayla-Na here. We simply don't want to deal with her and we think it's the best for this place even if some won't like it.

>>9561

I don't agree with this decision, but fine.

If it keeps anons from losing their shit & getting into fights over her, go ahead.

>>9561

If you're trying to make /fast/ better than 4/sthg/ this is a shitty step away from that.

>>9561

Not really sure how I feel. If she came and made a scene, I get it, feel free. But preemptively banning her seems kinda shitty.

>>9561

Meh not feeling this

>>9561

Cool, so can I put forward names of people we can preemptively ban?

Awesome, gonna get to work on a list. Can't let undesirables come to our secret club, after all.

>>9561

Fucking thank you. Kayla-Na is a shitty tool, and removing undesirables like her is only for the best.

>>9606

>unironically using the word "undesirables"

This type of elitism, "muh sekrit club" bullshit is why I wanted to move away from 4/sthg/. But now I see this place is even more elitist than they are.

>>9608

I mean, I still like /fast/ & all, but I will admit that I hope this doesn't set a precedent where anyone can get banned if someone complains about them enough.

>>9608

I already saw signs of it when some obsessive autist like the one in the thread now was complaining about my opinions he recognized on 4/sthg/ months ago and the mods took action against me, honestly

>>9615

I wouldn't say it's already going down the toilet, but there is some concern from me in regards to what's gonna happen going forward.

My only hope is that this is a one-off & something like this doesn't happen again, but this is a bit worrying to me. I guess if shit hits the fan, I guess /sth/ can be revived or something

AAR did similar stuff to Kayla, is she banned from here too?

>>9629

Who?

>>9613

Maybe we shouldn't even let 4channers come here period, if they don't want to abide to this site's rules… like how 4chan ended up being so god damn shit in the first place.

That was what 4channers wanted, but long story short, Reddit and other hugboxy site users came to 4chan, fucked it up with their different cultures, and cry fowl when they want to bring things over, but complain about how things change tonal direction, which ended up happening thanks to you bringing it outsiders.

If you don't want to change for the site, you're a leech and part of the problem. Don't expect to act American when going to Japan and get pissy when the locals give you pissy treatment. You get what you ask for "unfair" treatment.

>>9638

Yeah it was painful seeing how much 4chan declined from too many visitors and crossposters from reddit, tumblr, NeoGAF, even Gaia posters and goons. Take a good look at the catalogs from 4/v/ and this one and you can see the diverging influences. There's even a thread on ResetERA applauding Hiro's decision behind 4channel. So despite it being grating at times, there's reasons why anons are so quick to tell others to go back to wherever they came from. Years of bitterness and resentment from being invaded until things got so bad they had to leave.

I get the decision being made for quality control.

Guys, chill. The only point I was trying to make was that people (from anywhere, not just 4chan) may try to stir up drama & I think people should be careful of anyone who comes in for the sake of being an antagonizing douche.

That's all. I'm not calling for any widespread bans of anybody, or anything.

>>9642

And to add: This has nothing to do with the whole Kayla stuff (since she hasn't posted here & done that, not to mention she probably wasn't gonna come here anyways), I'm just speaking in a general manner & people shouldn't fall into the same fuckups made before.

>>9629

Of course she is.

We can't allow anyone like that.

>>9640

>Not wanting potential drama magnets and generally unpleasant people makes you a psycho.

That's reaching a bit, don't you think? Although it was funny seeing "rottenredditor" become a laughingstock on this /v/, along with a few others like a NeoGAF user named Brian who threw a tantrum when that place was going up in flames.

>>9644

Then fuck this place. At least 4/sthg/ isn't operating on draconian rules of behavior and content creators aren't nearly as discouraged from posting their content here.

>>9650

There have been exactly 0 incidents with people when they decided to post stuff of theirs here so far though. Sounds a bit exaggerated to rage at that comment tbh.

>>9653

See

>>9561

I wonder how much if this thread is just one person replying to himself. There's someone on 4/sthg/ who keeps posting screenshots trying to start drama there.

>>9655

That does not change the fact that there has not been a single problem when people have posted their stuff here, and the post you quote only talks about one person.

>>9656

>There's someone on 4/sthg/ who keeps posting screenshots trying to start drama there.

Really?

>>9649

>That's reaching a bit, don't you think?

No. It's not. The way this works is that they fuck up and you ban them. Not ban them preemptively when they haven't even fucking done anything. You're treating a board for Sonic fans, of all people, like some dystopian society where instead of talking about Sonic they live in fear of mod abuse in case they're """undesirable""".

I fail to see why a "drama magnet" deserves to be banned, and not the people who start drama about them. Chances are all that drama magnet wants is to discuss Sonic and post art. To treat that as a crime is ridiculous.

>"Think about it. A world where there's no crime, no victims, no pain."

>"And no choice."

>"The problem with democracy is: it doesn't keep you very safe."

>"It has other virtues, but you seem to have forgotten them."

>"I didn't forget! I just chose peace and security instead!"

>>9649

>potential drama magnets

I don't understand this.

Surely someone being a "drama magnet" is the fault of the people who start drama about them rather than the person themselves?

Should we ban everyone who dislikes x person in case they constantly start drama over them? Seems like the best move.

Frankly, It'd be nice if the board admin came out of his tower and explained himself for this bullshit.

>JL quote

Nice. Still agree with the decision to preemptively ban troublemakers. 4/sthg/ still exists as well as many other places to discuss Sonic.

>>9668

At that point why even have it open to the public?

I mean the same hate Kayla got several other artists got, so please explain to me why we shouldn't preemptively ban all artists just to be on the safe side?

>>9670

Honestly, there's nothing stopping a troublemaker from posting unless they make themselves known.

>why even have it be open if you don't want troublemakers

We want our cake and we can nibble on it slowly till we no longer have it. We're still anonymous. Anyone with a notorious reputation will be dealt with swiftly (or at least I imagine that's what will happen for I am not someone with that power).

>>9672

>ban all artists

All artists are not equal

>>9673

Please explain what makes Kayla so worthy of a ban that other troublesome artists from /sthg/ aren't.

>she can still post here anonymously

If she posted her art here it would be a give away, you are essentially silencing her that way.

>>9676

>other troublesome artists

and they are…?

>silencing her

>can literally post about anything sonic but can't take requests or post her art, effectively removing her identity and making her anonymous here

I don't see a problem

>>9678

AAR, Shroak, BCA, Sparky, HotRed all cause(d) massive amounts of drama in /sthg/. You need to come and explain to me how Kayla is worse than any of them.

And you are effectively making Kayla's art into the /fast/ equivalent of GR15, I hope I don't have to explain why that is stupid.

>>9680

>gr15

Talk about hyperbole. The only loss is possible free art and a single board for her to post her art

>explain to you

I don't have to explain anything as I'm not in charge. If the idea of barring her was even on the table then her reputation must not be very good regardless

>>9681

A portion of the problem literally had to do with someone not liking her artstyle. That is petty and troublesome to set as a precedent.

Was Kayla even interested in coming here? If not, this entire argument & all the shit that may come from this is probably pointless.

>>9682

>set as a precedent

So we unban her, drama happens, and then we can permaban her? Better to do it now and save us the trouble

>>9684

We should ban her if she actively antagonizes anyone. We should ban anyone who antagonizes her.

>>9685

This, tbh. Ban someone for coming in here & actually doing something, don't ban them because they might do something.

I mean hell, more drama will probably come from this than anything Kayla actually does herself. And I doubt she was ever gonna come here.

>>9680

What did Sparky or BCA do?

>>9688

I know BCA makes complaints about lesbian shipping and once made a troll Mina the Mongoose general.

Sparky shares his derivative, bad Sonic inspired art and regularly blogs about his life

>>9690

>makes complaints

he's the sallicole defense team. any time someone complains about the ship or sally being hinted at being a lesbian he's there. not a bad thing in itself, but it can go on and on if a sallyfag or sonallyfag is just as stubborn about it

>>9661

>Frankly, It'd be nice if the board admin came out of his tower and explained himself for this bullshit.

For what purpose? What I see is people that are trying to push a narrative, people that came out of nowhere to defend her, and people that just want to cause outrage. And all of this for Kayla-Na of all people. Replying is not going lead anywhere.

What I remember of her from /sthg/ is shit like https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/177895920/#177925321, https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/177895920/#177933158, https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/177895920/#177926758, and she was still going several months later https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/196177220/#196190497. She not only used to do this on the SFW board (which some people here claimed it didn't happen or that it even couldn't happen because of reasons) but she used to post crops of her art just to keep people from the full images (see some of the replies). In all my time on imageboards I've only encountered people talking about how she screws people over (such as by deleting her stuff from one place and making it available elsewhere needing you to pay again to see what you already paid for), or talking about her charades in different communities (like her fights with Undertale's creator and other random people, the stories of her goons ganging up on other people, her having to leave Fur Affinity because of backlash and then returning and getting banned, etc), never defending any aspect of her. You can find some discussion about these things here and there (/sthg/ archives, /trash/ archives (unfortunately down at the moment), archives on other sites (e.g. u18, http://archive.is/DNOrm), etc.) but I never cared to document these things because I'm not going to waste my time on her. All around, she's one great package of things to avoid, so that's what we're going to do.

To address some of the other points people made:

People were concerned about this being replicated with other people. Few people have the kind of shit on themselves she has, so most people would be perfectly fine here. Having said that, I will mention (and I think I've elaborated on this before) that not everyone is going to be allowed here, and not all of the things people did on 4/sthg/ will be allowed here, simply because otherwise just stay the hell back in 4/sthg/, why come here?

We posted about this decision now because the topic was already rolling and it was going to be an even bigger mess later down the line if we came out of nowhere with it when/if she was here. My experience with her was negative and I'm tired of reading other people's negative experiences as well, so I don't feel there's a need of giving her another chance in yet another community.

I understand this is not everyone's cup of tea and that some people are going to be upset, but ultimately this is the decision we're taking. You can either agree with it and stay, don't agree with it and go elsewhere, or don't agree with it and stay anyway. I was hoping people would get that and would either leave or let it go because no side of this discussion is going to settle, and honestly some of the exaggerated and resentful comments from people that clearly don't like it here get peeving. Just leave if you're so against this place and how I run it.

>>9696

She shouldn't be banned until she causes problems. Hell one of the very problems you complain about wouldn't even happen here because porn is allowed here.

>>9696

Aside from the majority of your complaints being incidents that happened OUTSIDE of /sthg/, thus banning people you don't like rather than if they cause problems here.

What is the line in which drawfags causing drama is okay? Because the artists I mentioned caused drama within 4/sthg/ which would be a more valid reason to preemptively ban them than how Kayla screwed over commissioners.

>>9696

>not everyone is going to be allowed here,

What is the list of people banned from this board? Just so I know I don't accidentally post their art here.

>>9696

>Not everyone is going to be allowed here

This completely misses the point of a free anonymous imageboard. If you're going to ban people over incidents that happened outside 4/sthg/, then there is no point to /fast/. Make a discord server, or make the board private, if you're going to be that elitist.

>>9324

She's the one who kicked off the anti-artist sentiment by saying that content creators were inherently more valuable to /sthg/ than regular posters.

>>9696

While I commend you for taking this decision, perhaps you should state out-right those that aren't welcome in /fast/.

So I got a nice banlist for ya let me know of anyone else to add:

Kayla

Shroak

Slashy

AAR

Sparky

BCA

AutisticWritefag

Panzer

Hotred

Lange

Anyone else I am missing?

>>9706

Oh yeah I forgot LC-Kun

>>9561

Good. Whether she means to or not, whether she's present or not, her reputation precedes her without fail. Best to nip it in the bud.

>>9704

Actually, LC-Kun admitted to that being him who made that post, because he wanted to get people pissed at Kayla. I think he said it right around the time he was about to leave the general.

>>9705

Yeah, talking about what may not be welcomed here is something best outright stated, as opposed to being vague about it because it's just gonna cause more shitflinging.

>>9704

They are.

This is a general consensus dating back all the way to 2004 and /b/. OC is more valuable than the average post.

>>9709

I'm not inclined to believe you, considering Kayla made an "apology" post and even drew a pic snarking about the shitstorm.

>>9710

The problem is that that's supposed to be an unspoken understanding. Lording that fact over others is what led to the backlash.

>>9711

Just saying, it was right in this thread: https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/221930260/#q221940528

>>9706

Eyy, I'm on the list! ..wonder what I did. Hm.

I do find it ironic how much drama gets stirred up by people who don't like other people for.. stirring up drama. Someone once told me this was a nice board, but it's really like all the rest. Minimal Sonic and maximum autism.

>>9714

To be fair, you're not. But this is exactly what I was concerned about in that people are now gonna try & stir up drama over everyone regardless of reputation to make them "drama magnets." I get not wanting this place to have people who started problems in 4/sthg/ but I feel like this could be handled a lot better.

>>9715

Well, I'm on THAT guys list. That means I'm doing something I guess. To be honest it wouldn't bother me too much to get "banned" from a board on a chan. It's not like there aren't a hundred other forums, servers, groups, what have you where I can socialize. But yeah, you can tell that some people have some major issues, and they should work on that while the rest of us enjoy having a good time and talking about anything other than who we don't like and why we don't like then. Captchas suck.

>>9716

I will come clean and say you are only on that list to point out how quickly this can turn sour.

I like you Sparky, but some people don't which makes you the perfect example as to how dangerous this precedent can become.

>>9716

I will come clean and say you are only on that list to point out how quickly this can turn sour.

I like you Sparky, but some people don't which makes you the perfect example as to how dangerous this precedent can become.

>>9716

True. If nothing else, it's harder for things to turn sour here given how there's a whole board full of other stuff people can post in. I mean, all the drama is basically in this thread & nowhere else, so it's not like /fast/ as a whole is turning sour. Not yet, at least.

>>9718

>>9717

…I'm not Sparky, I'm AWF .___.

>>9716

>that guys list

Some salty kayla defender made it

>>9721

I am no Kayla defender. I think preemptively banning people is a bad idea.

>>9720

Not them but you kind of type like Sparky. ofc Sparky would never use the word autism to describe something…

>>9723

>banning drama whores is bad

Okay, Bizarro Anon.

The mere idea of pre-emptive banning is something I'd expect from reddit. Not this place.

>>9725

Preemptively? Especially on an anonymous message board?

Oh yes

Other than Kayla and LC-kun, who else gets a knee jerk reaction from more than a few people because of who they are?

>>9727

Still not getting what the bad part is. It's just Kayla, not a good, welcome person or anything like that.

>>9729

Kayla doesn't get a kneejerk reaction on 4/sthg/

>>9730

Why not the other shitposters or drama magnets on /sthg/?

>>9729

Pretty much every drawfag besides THP.

>>9706

If you're calling out Discordfags put Shadowanon/Dubs on that list then. Dude is a toxic motherfucker that hates people more popular than him.

>>9732

There aren't really that many drama magnets aside from Kayla and LC-kun imo. AWF's obscure, Jadii's great riffing material, Sparky's just hangs around now, Lange, Shroak, Slashy, and Hotred/Coolblue don't show up anymore, and AAR only posts photos sparingly sometimes. I guess AAR deserves the ban-hammer too, though, thinking on it.

>>9734

Shadowanon just does Vocaroo stuff. How's he "toxic?"

Ahahaha this board is a joke. Enjoy being dead.

>>9735

I'm not obscure, I'm "niche"

>>9734

I'm in two separate servers with him and I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>9734

Maybe they should put you on the list. I've seen him do absolutely nothing wrong, and you keep calling him a toxic shitposter in 4/sthg/ without providing any evidence as to why he is one.

Seems to me you're just caught up in whatever petty drama you two had in the Discord.

>>9736

He used to go on rants in the /sthg/ server about how he wanted to hurt happy people and only way he saw to reach the level of successful people was to tear them down to his level. Put two and two together and you can see that he was probably one of the anti-artist shitposters too

>>9741

Dubs is pretty fucking toxic desu

>>9735

my echidna. we're on the same wavelengths

>>9740

>shitposted against

We have mods here. This isn't 4/sthg/

>>9742

Idiot. If he were anti-artist would he have posted this?

>>9127

>>9735

Jadii and AAR have shitposters who will cause drama about ships or artstyles.

Slashy has people mocking him for spamming humanized art and complaining about IDW.

>>9744

We have mods & I'm glad for that, but the current state of this thread hasn't exactly been the best in terms of trying to "nip drama in the bud."

>>9745

Hi Dubs

>>9747

This thread is a lot more civil than I expected. And this was going to happen sooner or later since this is a meta thread.

>>9749

>this is a meta thread.

Thank god for that. I'm grateful to the format of this board so that this can serve as containment and not shit up the general threads.

>>9699

>>9705

>>9709

There isn't a list or anything of the sort. Banning Kayla seems logical, but it is not THAT crystal clear for other people, and instead of outright banning them from day one maybe other actions could be taken. I'm pretty lenient with rules in general so if you are chill you shouldn't have to worry, even if you fuck up once or twice.

>>9706

Please don't make worthless posts like these here.

>>9659

Yes. It's happening right now as I type this.

>>9659

It’s not. No one gives a fuck about this place.

Given how /fast/ is generally slow with no posts for hours but this thread has tons of posts all within a few minutes of each other, is it safe to say it's one or two people intentionally trying to start drama by falseflagging, replying to themselves, etc.?

>>9706

>Panzer

I don't mind this tbh

On a positive note, I'm glad all the hashing out on this topic, agree or not, has stayed contained to this thread and not the general thread. 4/sthg/ has to deal with it all together in one thread and it shits up their thread horribly when it is all in one place.

>>9683

She was "invited" here, along with others, by another /sthg/ artist and some anon threw a shitfit which started this whole thing off.

>>9782

>Person starts a new business

>Anon applies for job

>Extensive criminal background

>"I'm sorry Anon but you no can be here pls go and stay go"

>"Ur not being very accepting just becuz I broke rules and ruined everyone else I worked for doesn't mean I will here u shud giv me a chance"

>>9786

>Comparing art drama to criminal activites

Yeah, that analogy doesn't work like you hoped it would.

Try a food analogy.

>>9787

Tax fraud IS a federal crime. If I made a food analogy she would just eat it anyway.

>>9786

She never committed a crime.

>>9786

This isn't a job it is a message board.

>>9790

>>9791

Technically she has. First, the tax issue. Secondly, she has defrauded a lot of customers. They pay for a specific thing and she doesn't do it, but doesn't refund the money. Shes changed stuff about people's OCs that they PAID her to draw, then basically said "if you don't like it oh well that's how I wanted to draw it". No other kind of contractor can get away with that. If you pay a carpenter to remolder your kitchen and he puts the cabinets in the wrong place and doesn't do it right, you sue his ass. When you get paid by someone to do something a certain way and you don't do it, you ate indeed breaking the law. But you're too far up Kayla's ass to care.

>>9792

I hope that you are not SERIOUSLY arguing that breaking the law is a reason why you shouldn't be allowed here, when the sticky contains links to pirate every piece of media this franchise has.

>>9794

>>9793

>K-Kayla hasn't broken any laws!

>Breaking laws shouldn't be a reason to be banned!

I can't even tell if you're honestly trying to support her and you're just stupid or f you're just shitposting at this point. I'm not even that worried about her breaking laws, but it's what she does and the laws she breaks that show how much of an ass she is. Defrauding customers by NOT doing what she agreed to do but still keeping the payment, taking OTHER artists work and selling them and pocketing all the profits, and charging a "tax" of her work when her state does NOT require taxes on digital media. It's not so much that she's a criminal, it's that's she's just a total fucking bitch.

>>9792

Then people should warn others not to commission her, in fact FurAffinity regularly steps in to deal with this shit so I have to wonder how she fell through the cracks.

>>9796

I stand corrected, it seems FA did suspend her and her Tumblr seems to be down.

>>9797

Tumblr banned porn and flagging almost everything so everyone is fleeing it.

>>9795

Where is the evidence for this?

>>9795

I'm not trying to defend her actions. But her being a bitch outside /fast/ is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is if she wants to share her art and discuss Sonic here, there is no real reason to deny her that if you care about equslity for users, which you should given it's a free public imageboard. There is no actual evidence to suggest she would bring any harm to /fast/'s community, beyond a couple anons being idiotic to recognize her and shout "GTFO KAYLA REEEEEE".

To pre-emptively ban someone because of their actions elsewhere is no different than Youtube or Twitter permanently suspending someone's account because they said something slightly racist on TV.

>>9798

Her Tumblr was taken down BEFORE that great porn purge began

>>9801

Oh well then fuck me

>>9799

Evidence for what, her tax fraud? It's easy. You Google the tax laws regarding digital media in the state she lives in and it says it's not applicable. Evidence for her defrauding her customers? Several of the ones in the RP group she was in after Forces came out paid her to draw their OCs and she fucked them all over. Emrys I know for a fact harbors a grudge against her to this day because she botcjed MULTIPLE of his characters. He kicked her from that group because she openly said in that group that she doesn't do refunds and didn't care that she got his characters "wrong", but then after she got kicked she ran back to her personal server and started talking shit about the people in the RP group calling them a "retarded group of whiny brats that's didn't know how good they had it" even though they had collectively given her hundreds of dollars of business while she was in their group.

>>9803

> she botched MULTIPLE of his characters

Why would he keep commissioning her then???

>>9804

He did several of them at one time. I think the first time she didn't "get it right" he blamed it on himself for not explaining it well enough, since the character was "built" differently than what the Forces avatar crwator allowed. But the second time she just flat out admitted she drew it the way she wanted to and he just had to deal with it. It was a thicc character and she said she didn't like drawing big characters. I'd make a joke about how ironic that is considering how she looks irl, but it doesn't matter, it's just shitty practice to intentionally not draw someone's OC they way they want and then tell them AFTER THE FACT that you wouldn't do it.

>>9752

>Banning Kayla seems logical, but it is not THAT crystal clear for other people, and instead of outright banning them from day one maybe other actions could be taken.

While I am glad you are willing to change your approach, I still find it troublesome that there likely were other people you were ready to pre-emptively ban.

>>9805

I place part of the blame on him for not demanding she make corrections to the first commission or asking to see WIPs.

And in his case he could have asked for a pre-sketch picture before paying, if she wouldn't be willing to do that he should not have paid.

>>9807

I'd be inclined to agree with you but he DID do those things. Kayla said she doesn't post WIP on "lineart" because it's so simple and quick (even though she charges $60+ for basic "lineart") and he DEFINITELY asked her to make changes, I've already said she outright refused to.

>>9808

Then why did he commission her a second time!?

>>9809

You're not even reading my posts are you?

>>9810

Yes, he shouldn't have commissioned her a second time.

>>9811

He didn't commission her "a second time" he paid for two commissions at once.

>>9812

So did she refuse to refund him before the second picture?

>>9813

She refused to refund either. When she got done with the first one and it wasn't how he wanted it, he explained in DETAIL how he wanted the other, but she ignored what he said again and basically told him she didn't draw what he wanted to draw but she didn't tell him that before hand.

>>9815

Did he not demand a refund before the second pic was drawn?

>>9819

Jesus Christ you just don't get it. It's not his fault whether he demanded a refund or not. She should have told him before hand if she wasn't going to draw his characters the way he wanted instead of taking his money. He DID ask her to make changes but she said no, and by the time she heard back from her she was done with the second pic. Then he said he wanted a flat out refund if she wasn't going to make any changes and that's when she told him tough luck she didn't do refunds. She took his money and did subpar work that wasn't even what he asked for, refused to even attempt to make things right, and then talked shit about him and the entire group afterwards.

>>9820

Did he describe both commissions at once? After she finished with the first he should have immediately demanded a refund for the second, if she refused then go to PayPal Buyers Protection.

>>9821

You're absolutely determined to make it sound like it's not her fault for being a shady bitxh aren't you?

>People arguing about me in a place I haven't even heard about.

I banned Kayla because I didn't want that server to be associated with her if she wound up in trouble for tax shit. My commission shit had nothing to do with it, it was on me for paying her in the first place.

Holy fuck.

>>9825

/fast/ administration on suicide watch

>>9825

So if she wasn't involved in shady business practices, would you let her in?

>>9830

I honestly don't know, she had no real interest in the RP even when she was taking commissions off us, which makes me think she wouldn't be welcome anyways.

>>9831

>She had no real interest in the RP

She was there to milk a bunch of saps who were high on the excitement of making OCs until they caught on to her and have her the boot

>>9832

Fair enough I suppose.

Hey Kayla how is Shawntea doin?

Kayla doesnt like drawing big characters but enjoys drawing pinball shaped women with flat chests and bow legs.. alright

Just read this entire thread, and hoo-boy we've lost some opportunities.

Anyway do you think a sticky thread dedicated to IDW storytimes starting off at #1 would be a good idea?

>>9881

I like the idea of a thread dedicated to IDW storytimes but I don't know if a sticky is needed. /fast/ is quite slow apart from the /sthg/ thread

>>9881

>hoo-boy we've lost some opportunities

Yeah, but I imagine that's probably what the people doing most of the arguing wanted.

Anyways, the idea of an IDW thread for storytimes sounds good so I'd be for it.

>>9881

>>9887

Define "opportunities"

>>9881

A thread to storytime IDW Sonic from the beginning could be a good idea. I wouldn't want it to be sticky, though. The alternative is to either have it be cyclical (at the cost of losing earlier storytimes eventually) or make it another general, which doesn't sound good at the moment.

>drama dies down

>suddenly no new posts in days

See what's the problem with Sonic threads. There's nothing to talk about BUT drama. Archie is old news, IDW I'd already constantly delaying issues, the racing game and movie won't be out until next year, no new mainline games have been announced anywhere in the near future.. the Sonic franchise is ironically one of the SLOWEST ones there are. People keep making new threads to "talk" about sonoc, but there isn't anything to say that hasn't already been said love thousand times.

>>9956

This is a meta thread, not a normal thread for talking about sonic.

>>9696

This is probably the most "based" thing I've ever seen in a very, very long time. This is the shit I miss back in the 2000s. I'm tired of seeing people defending others, whiteknighting others, I want that era to die off. I missed when people said "fuck off" and put their foot down on bullshit. Thank you.

Liking x does not validate existing when it causes more problems than it fixes. If only 4chan was like this, things wouldn't be so bad there, and ultimately, if done moreso across the Internet, things would be a better place to explore and socialize with, like back in the 2000s.

>>2547

Yo! You forgot the passwords for the comic mega links in your sticky!

yes I know it is /sthg/

>>10010

>>Resources

>Password of files where required is generally /sthg/.

>>10017

Whoops, my bad

Bump limit was changed from 300 to 500 since it's been requested a few times.

>>10197

Excellent. I'm really loving how fast you guys respond to us users. Keep it up

>>2554

>>2555

>>2550

IDs are always cancer. Anonymity > all else.

Added a new Bump & Sage banner!

>>10513

>>10312

There's no reason NOT to have IDs unless you plan on being an total autist and shitposting being you anonymous shield.

>>10312

This argument has already been debunked several times.

Having a randomly assigned ID per thread - not an static ID overall - does not remove anonymity. All it would do is prevent obvious samefagging/shitposting which isn't a problem right now.

>>14559

No problem, I also had that discussion in mind, but there were few opinions and not a lot of consensus. I agree with >>14560 about not being overly conservative, I don't think that's ideal, but I have a few concerns about doing otherwise, and I also don't think it's ideal to go to the other extreme where people can post lewdish things completely freely. So far it hasn't been a big problem so I'm trusting you guys to keep it under control, but I wanted to chime in and mention that there isn't anything written in stone and that it's a gray area and it's difficult to moderate it with consistency.

>>14565

>Let's take it to the meta thread if anyone wants to add anything else.

Ok mommy, i love you too owo

Something should be done about the halfchan shitposters posting low quality shit. I can spot their posts a mile away, they post one or two sentences that don't contribute anything meaningful. One of the guys who spams gay Shadow posts is also here, I'd like to see them either warned or banned.

>>16805 >>16767 >>16693 >>16695 >>16811 >>16819

Seems like I'm overreacting but better to nip this kind of stuff in the bud.

>>16825

I know what you mean, but it is a bit exaggerated to go banhappy just because one day a couple of posts were less than stellar. Regarding the guy you mention, he was actually banned some time ago and if he starts acting up again he'll eventually be handed another vacation. Everything will most likely sort itself out, halfchanners don't generally last long here before they get bored and go back.

>>16863

Not that anon but I'm happy knowing the people in charge of here are actively paying attention

>>16863

Alright. Thanks for taking such good care of the board dude.

>>2547

I just remembered that one time we changed the bump limit from 300 to 500, but that also put upon the thought of a person with malicious intent to go back to 300 limit general threads and bumping them in an unordered fashion causing #19 to be in front of #31 and whatnot. what I'm trying to say here is there any way we can get the old 300 limit generals locked into place, so nobody will confuse newcomers to go to the wrong general?

>>17627

I've considered that changing the bump limit made the old generals bumpable again, but I thought going back to bumplock all of them was a bit exaggerated given how many there were and at worst if someone bumped one I could just bumplock it then and there, but if it's important for you for the generals to keep their order in the catalog I could go and do it anyway. Let me know.

http://archive.is/p4nFV

The current owners of the site apparently don't care about the actual users and are instead pandering to the old farts in /qresearch/. That and coupled with the sites recent instability, most of the actual community are gonna jump ship to other sites, like fatchan and prolikewoah to name a few.

Just a small reminder that we have a bunker on julay.world in the case the site really does go belly up, although I'm conflicted on whether that site in particular is the best place for the bunker.

https://julay.world/fast/

>>20886

Yeah, I've been following the whole thing and it's quite sad. I was hopeful that things were going to work out in the end given that the site has started working much faster as of late but here we are.

I wish the idea of a migration didn't sound so bad. It's been kind of written on the wall for some time, but I'd hate for anons to get stranded (either because of getting lost or refusing to move), we're already so few and that'd be just terrible. This is also kind of 'our' place, it's were people would come to if they wanted to find us, it's been here for six years and there are still posts from those times around. Despite all this it doesn't feel completely right staying either after everything that happened.

>I'm conflicted on whether that site in particular is the best place for the bunker

The bunker was made pretty early on when /fast/ was migrated here from 8chan, back then there weren't a lot of places that allowed board creation. In terms of software and stability (short and long term), I think julay is pretty solid, which ultimately I think it's what matters the most. What bothers you about it? The other options as far as I'm aware are anon.cafe and fastchan, which seem pretty small and more risky.

>>20888

>What bothers you about it?

I'm mostly bothered by the other boards like /v/ and /cow/ which seem a little malicious if I'm being honest, especially compared to the old site. But as long as they stay in their boards and don't muck around on /fast/, then it's fine I suppose.

Also, if we do decide to jump ship and leave everything behind, then I suggest leaving behind a sticky detailing where the new /fast/ is at while locking the whole board so people get the idea.

>>20890

I thought that's what could have been, it also bothers me a bit.

>locking the whole board

That would be against board owner's rules.

>4. The Board Owner must not make it impossible to post on his or her board, either by locking all or most threads and / or deleting all or most threads or posts;

Check the 8kun faq for the rest.

>>20891

Oh wow, I forgot about the global rules lel.

Still, the sticky would be fine.

Leaving old threads behind definitely sucks (the IDW storytime will take serious effort to recreate, for one), but I'm honestly concerned about Jim. What if he decides Bump counts as a "loli"? What if he actually does go ahead and start deleting boards he doesn't like? It would've sounded impossible not that long ago, but here we are with 8/v/ under 900 active ISPs and vols resigning.

My personal take is, Julay is kinda weird, but the bunker's already well-established there, with everyone already having been told to bookmark it just in case. Assuming a move happens, it's the logical destination.

The one thing I hope happens if we ever truly switch boards is that all the pics that's been posted here are saved somewhere. I'm doing what I can to go back through old threads & save stuff, but I'd hate to see some of the cool art that's been posted/made here to be lost to time.

>>20893

>Bump counts as a "loli"?

>bump

>loli

>in sfw board

He will mostly just see as furry porn anon

>Julay

>Assuming a move happens, it's the logical destination

Nah, i'm good

>>20893

>the IDW storytime will take serious effort to recreate

Honestly, with 5 pages per post and a fast site it shouldn't take that long. There are not that many issues.

>What if he decides Bump counts as a "loli"?

We are an SFW board so we probably shouldn't be affected by this directly, but the laws and criteria they quote as their reasoning for the ban are generic so under the guise of "obscenity" they might just as well find pictures of characters from a kids show as obscene too if they find them too lascivious or "offensive to the average person" or something.

>What if he actually does go ahead and start deleting boards he doesn't like?

It kind of happened with the migration. Several boards didn't ever make it, some were remade but with different BOs (thus a forced BO change).

>/v/

It was quite shocking seeing it chock full of spam yesterday.

>Assuming a move happens, it's the logical destination.

I guess we could also give it a try and then move elsewhere if it's not good enough too.

>>20894

>The one thing I hope happens if we ever truly switch boards is that all the pics that's been posted here are saved somewhere

I think the board could be scraped with HTTrack or wget to create an offline mirror of it. I'll look into it later today, as it'd be a good idea to have it anyway just in case and as far as I know it hasn't been done yet.

>>20895

>He will mostly just see as furry porn anon

I'm pretty sure there have been other sites that have banned Sonic porn due to similar concerns to the ones this site has.

>Nah, i'm good

Which site do you think it'd be best anon?

>>20896

>I'm pretty sure there have been other sites that have banned Sonic porn

Yes, for being furry porn anon.

unless we're talking about 4/fast/ then no.

>Which site do you think it'd be best anon?

anywhere else, like right here.

Maybe we should vote on the migration thing? I mean, this whole drama still hasn't hit us specifically but the site's performance is still lacking.

>>20899

I think as it stands, we don't need to migrate, but it is good to discuss this sort of thing so we're not caught with our pants down in the event this board is put on the chopping block.

If we end up getting fucked over by the current state of things, or we're put on the proverbial chopping block, then we can go full-steam ahead & move. In the meantime, we can stay here as we're not in any danger yet.

There are images doing the rounds of people getting global B& for posting Cream lewds. Also the owner of /fit/ was outright removed as BO for going against the new rule

https://sys.8kun.top/log.php?page=1&board=fit

Several boards here up and left for bunkers too, although it seems others aren't even aware of what's happening. I don't really feel very comfortable here anymore to be honest, but I'm not certain about moving elsewhere either. What do you guys want to do?

>>20903

We shouldn't need to consider we might get fucked over at any moment by staying here, if that's something we need to consider then the place is already no good.

>>20906

>What do you guys want to do?

Just stay here, unless things are going full on fucky wucky which is unlikely for now.

>Also the owner of /fit/ was outright removed as BO for going against the new rule

He spaz out and made a pin post saying fuck you to the new rule while posting lolicon, unless you're going to do that then i think we're good.

>>20906

>There are images doing the rounds of people getting global B& for posting Cream lewds.

I'm pretty sure those people were doing so as part of the /qresearch/ spamming going on. Not that we shouldn't be cautious and ready to move if needed, but there's no need to panic and start immediately packing things. I mean, I'm all up for moving, Ron and Jim seem not to care for anyone but /qresearch/ and /newsplus/, in fact Jim seems to actively disdain anything not related to those boards, but if anons want to stay I don't see the harm in at least waiting a while and seeing how this all plays out.

>>20916

>I'm pretty sure those people were doing so as part of the /qresearch/ spamming going on

They weren't banned because of raiding or spamming, they were globally permabanned specifically quoting the new rule as the reason.

>>20890

I visit julay time to time for /k/, /v/, and /robowaifu/. In my opinion, these boards are relatively nice, (Though /v/ is filled with people who vehemently hate Mark. Everything is fine though if you don't mention him.)

/cow/ is a board to worry about due to its userbase. I don't think they really would bother us however.

>>20919

no there were a few anons back at /v/ who did try to raid /qresearch/

>>20919

Yes, they were banned for violating that rule, but they intentionally, explicitly violated it in very conspicuous manner by spamming /qresearch/ with as much loli as they could. That doesn't mean Jim is browsing every board hunting down any picture he finds that he can consider to be loli. /fast/ should be fine as long as we don't bring undue attention to ourselves.

>>20945

I suppose you could upload all of /fast/ to a MEGA, or something in the event of a move

>>20989

I was just coming here to post this. God damn, I was not expecting that, we dodged a bullet by not migrating there. The alternatives are fatpeople (which was briefly deplatformed a few days ago), anon.cafe (which seems limited in features although it seems to have withstood the test of time pretty well, but otherwise I don't know much about), and… that's it I think? I guess there's acidchan but so far it's not looking too hot and it was just served another notice of deplatforming today so yeah.

>>20991

>I agree with Robi completely

I don't. This will not help any community with the current context being what it is, and pretending you can shove communities to the street and they'll just create their own site is way too naive. Furthermore, shaking things up even more than they already are will only make people just want forget about this whole clusterfuck and move on to something else, which is already a problem on even the biggest boards.

>but what if the BO makes an imageboard just for /fast/?

I don't think that's viable. I'd be responsible if someone decided to spam the site with CP. I'd lose my anonymity, and have my ass on the line if some rabid SJW decides to come after me and my family and friends because of being called a nigger faggot on the site. I'd have to have a lot of knowledge of networking and websites to sort out deplatforming attempts, even if it's not a huge concern given that we're SFW. It'd also cost money, and I'm not convinced the numbers thrown around in the Julay threads are representative.

Also I'm not sure if people would actually migrate from here to the new site and then the question is, is making such a huge mess really worth it for a community of about 5 people?

In any case, I find it interesting to consider it from a knowledge and challenge perspective, and if Robi really wants to help out it'd be a great opportunity to grain a lot of knowledge and experience, and ultimately maybe he has answers to my concerns, so I'll think about it but it sounds like it's just not worth it man. For now, I've lodged a request with fatchan to see if they'll grant us another bunker since it seems the remaining sites are going to be much more restrictive with granting boards from now on.

>>20992

Tbh, I'm not too worried about deplatforming. After all, this place has been pretty good at not having a lot of types that would lead to this site getting the same treatment that other chanboards have gotten. But yeah we're also pretty small in numbers that cost would be an issue.

>>20989

There's a new meta topic there now, but it probably doesn't matter. It sounds like they're only going to keep a few boards. julay/fast/ barely survived that one purge, right? They aren't going to be willing to act as a bunker.

Looks like prolikewoah died (that was /animu/, right?), and I think the fatchan admin doesn't want to have too many boards, so no bunker there. There might be a site on the webring I don't know about, but off the top of my head the only place I know of that lets anyone create a board is AcidMan's (8chan.moe).

>>20996

They never really went through with the purge, the admin reconsidered. But even if they would host a bunker for us on the new site, most people seem reluctant to share a site with them in the first place, so it's kind of moot.

>Looks like prolikewoah died

For a moment you made me think I had missed something, lol. The site is still alive.

>>21019

>the Julay bunker is still up

It's probably on my end, but am I the only one getting a 502 when trying to check the bunker?

>>21024

It's cool, it's back up for me

May have just been a false alarm

If the BO cares, julay is letting smaller boards request being allowed to remain until they find someplace else to stay, and is also apparently considering some sort of dedicated bunker board.

https://julay.world/meta/res/10485.html

>>21084

>until they find someplace else to stay

If this is still a problem in 3 months, being allowed to stay for a little while longer won't really make a difference, unless there's another big shakedown some time before the 3 months grace period elapses and we're found without somewhere to stay.

>>21085

>when we could just get a bunker on a different site

The only site that I know that allows this right now is Acidchan, so it's not like there's a lot of alternatives either. In any case, I went ahead and made a bunker there since there are no downsides and to avoid someone squatting the name. We'll see how things evolve. I'll see about adding a link to it or maybe creating a fallback plan and putting it somewhere on here tomorrow.

>>21089

Nah, it's always good to share news and info in these troubled times anon.

I've updated the announcement bar and sticky to include the new bunker. It'd be a good idea to start bookmarking it just to be safe.

julay.world MAY BE DEAD, READ THE STICKY AND UPDATE YOUR BUNKER BOOKMARKS IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT YET

julay.world was spammed yesterday and lost their main domain today. It was said to assume the domain dead. Later today the whole site went down including alternate domains and onion address. I've updated the sticky with a small fallback plan, and the announcement bar should also reflect the new bunker. Please take your precautions and store the info into your computer so that you have it available in case shit hits the fan even more.

Seems Vanwanet might be having issues as both 8kun and the bunker are down and that's the common element. With Julay's domain also down, the only way to reach /fast/ is through the 8kun onion address or the alternative domains (all on the sticky which I hope you fags backed up).

>>21309

Shame. I don't understand the need to take a stance like that when everything is still up in the air and this place is cozy and is working fine, but suit yourself. I've disabled images on the bunkers to make hotpocketing them easier, since there are 3 places I need to keep an eye on, but I don't mind turning them on over there if that's what you want.

>>21309

>Still not as broken as pic related.

No, it is.

2 out of the 3 other /v/'s has died and the only one left which is runned by mark, the mod that no one wants (there's /vg/ but barely anyone even there).

Man, this is a stupid exodus. Just don't post the bunny cunny at this point, that shouldn't be a hard thing to do.

>>21337

The bunny cunny is a symbol. A symbol of freedom. I've already moved to moe full time and only came back tell others to do the same.

>>21351

>fat/v/ was recently resurrected as z/v/.

But it's not hosted by Tom, is it? Is it known who hosts it, and if not how can you be sure it isn't run by someone with ill intentions? There's literally a ton of people that have lately tried to take advantage of anons.

>There are also a few other boards out there: antares/v/, smug/vg/, plw/geimu/, and tengu/v/,

Isn't this giving him the reason?

>>21344

>cheese pizza

>it's a cartoon

So basically, the only rule 34 allowed must have been drawn at least 18 years ago? I could draw a picture of old people banging right now. It's a cartoon, so the characters are only as old as the drawing. Sonic Advance 2 will be 18 this December. Will Cream be okay then? Gerald only turned 18 last year.

I realize this is a board for Sonic autism, and I should expect literal retards to be posting here, but cartoons aren't real. I didn't expect Chris Chan to be internet savvy enough to find this site, and spread his knowledge of Toon World and the Dimensional Merge to anons over here.

>>21372

>been drawn at least 18 years ago?

That's basic porn laws anon.

>Sonic Advance 2 will be 18 this December

You and i know that not how it works.

>i'm Chris Chan

Thanks man.

>cartoons aren't real

I know right, everyone gets mad when i made porn of julay

>>21373

>Those words are English, but they don't mean anything.

No, anon has point.

There's multiple of claiming the be the next 8chan (like before), one could easily make a ripoff and have ill intentions or be a abusive shitty mod.

>>21410

Fuck.

Just added the 8moe onion address to the sticky. In cases such as these where Vanwanet goes down and takes both sites with it, you can still reach the sites through Tor.