/fast/ - Sonic the Hedgehog

…So… Is he right? Is all this really just SEGA's master plan?

>>10173

I think he's overthinking it

fast

On Halloween, Aaron said he would post hints in November about the December "gift". The gift turned out to be the movie poster. So what were the hints?

>>10176

>The gift turned out to be the movie poster

Did he actually say that the gift was the poster? Because between how awful that was and that he got people hyped up for it, it's pretty cruel.

>>10178

He posted Thursday something that said "a tiny gift approaches" and then yesterday we got the movie poster

>>10173

Honestly, I doubt it. Even if it's some marketing ploy, SEGA would have to follow up on the movie with something huge. Between Forces disappointing fans, the current state of the movie, they need to do something to make people excited for the franchise again.

>>10179

and nothing notable in between those days and nothing about the candle holder, which is what some people saying the gift was

>>10182

That's why we always gotta look at more clues.

>>10183

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=from%3Asonic_hedgehog%20since%3A2018-10-31%20until%3A2018-12-01&src=typd

Nov 1 - UK/EU Sega Shop opens

Nov 2 - Sonic and Pikachu in Smash trailer

Nov 3 - shilling Sega Heroes

Nov 6 - meme; SA2, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Labyrinth

Nov 9 - Sonic Forces soundtrack on Spotify

Nov 13 - SA2/Spyro image

Nov 15 - TSR music, Rooftop Run

Nov 16 - meme; Mania Adventures

Nov 17 - shilling Sega Heroes

Nov 19 - meme; ice cream bar

Nov 21 - Metal Sonic (classic) comic

Nov 22 - Thanksgiving, Modern Sonic and Chao

Nov 23 - Black Friday sales

Nov 28 - meme; Modern Sonic

Nov 28 - meme; chili dogs

Nov 29 - TSR music, Seaside Hill + Green Hill

I can't think of anything that's related to the movie poster at all besides the chili dogs silhouette things. He did say he would be posting multiple hints but I just don't see it

>>10186

Are we the first ones to see this?

>>10180

Anon, pls post source on this.

>>10190

Static electricity

Some translated tweets of Sonic staff's (or ex staff) reactions to the movie teaser.

Ohshima: https://twitter.com/SonicJPNews/status/1072553016140673024

Naka: https://twitter.com/SonicJPNews/status/1072544818625155072

https://twitter.com/SonicJPNews/status/1072544818625155072

Nakamura (kek): https://twitter.com/SonicJPNews/status/1072544643114565633

Maekawa: https://twitter.com/SonicJPNews/status/1072545232112226305

https://twitter.com/SonicJPNews/status/1072545803342888960

Unleashed's character designer: https://twitter.com/SonicJPNews/status/1072551667286069249

>>10193

Amazing. Literally NO ONE likes this design, which has never happened before.

One of them classifies Sonic as a "Fairy", which I guess in Japland sense, it just mean "Magical" and doesn't reflect real life comparisons. Another makes a narratively good point "Micky doesn't become a real mouse any time, does he?" likely referring to Roger Rabbit.

I'm still on the side you don't have to use that movie as some Commandment or something written in stone for character design for the real world, unless you treat Sonic's cast as toon world characters. If you want Sonic to be like a construct of part of reality, Detective Pikachu for better or worse, is how you have to make the compromises without going full retard like taking a real life hedgehog and slap it onto a human midget.

>>10193

>Nakamura's tweet

Kek. Also, I don't think I've ever seen the Sonic fandom so united in something. Fans of Classic, Adventure, Modern Sonic hate this, fans in the West hate this design, fans in the East hate this design, people who work on Sonic doesn't like this design, etc.

It's honestly amazing.

It's so hard being a Sonic fan. I don't understand why this keeps happening. Is Sonic the most mishandled IP in history?

I've been holding onto the idea that the movie poster was just a joke or part of a genius marketing campaign. They release a fake design. People get outraged. It goes viral. People who've never had any interest in Sonic talk about it. People who like Sonic but don't keep up with Sonic news are talking about it. EVERYONE knows about the movie now. And then in a few days Aaron reveals that he was fooling us the entire time. But then >>10186 exists and now reality is finally sinking in

>>10190

>What's with the lightning on the shoes?

Probably just "cool" special effects.

>>10186

I hate this. Being a Sonic fan will be absolute hell for at least 2 years because of this.

>>10193

I feel bad for all of them.

>>10194

>Amazing. Literally NO ONE likes this design, which has never happened before.

I've never seen such universal hate for something like this. Usually there's still a decent chunk that goes against the grain, but I actually haven't seen much people defending it. At best there's a couple holding out for a full reveal, but it's kinda crazy how many dislike it.

What's sad is nothing will be done to fix it. No doubt they're too deep at this point to change it.

I really, really want to know who thought the movie design was a good idea, and why. I want to know who could have possibly looked at that thing and said "yeah, people will love this."

>>10202

I have to think most of the higher ups don't know anything about Sonic and assumed whatever they were doing was fine.

>>10198

I don't think they would be able to dispel all the bad press they got even if they came out with an actually acceptable design. It sounds like a really retarded marketing campaign to officially communicate a big feature of your product and give interviews about it and then go back on it. Honestly, this fits pretty well with the rest of the bits and pieces we knew of the movie so far. The only hope it gives me is that the negative reaction is so big it makes them consider cancelling it or not marketing it too much or releasing it on DVDs or some shit where they could just hide in under the carpet and never talk about it again. But their industry profits on creating poor products with popular names attached to them because the name alone grabs a lot of eyes and if the IP gets ruined maybe it'll grab a few more, so I'm not counting on it.

>>10204

They won't cancel it. Paramount already bought the rights for Sonic and they already paid Carrey and the other actors. God knows how much of the budget was spent on Carrey alone

>>10203

But it's not about not knowing anything about Sonic. I just can't understand how you can look at that thing and not be mortified.

>>10205

It's a shame, because, honestly, I think Carrey could be a fantastic Eggman with the right direction. But they wasted him on this shitty idea of a movie.

>>10206

I dunno. Movie suits only see dollar signs probably around the IP and don't care what's actually done with it.

>>10208

>just relax

Man has no idea how the Sonic fandom is.

>>10205

So many arguments over the years for being cheap fucks with the games and someone just comes and dumps money all over the place but accomplishes absolutely nothing and gives no one anything wanted. God dammit.

>>10207

I still don't get how there are Sonic fans who would find it acceptable (let alone fantastic) for Eggman to be an actual human in a Sonic movie.

>>10213

I can't even imagine. He said he would hint at it in November and >>10188 doesn't have anything that looks like a clue. I guess it could be the cartoon but nothing that was posted seems to point towards that

>>10213

Maybe a hint at that rumored cartoon?

>>10215

I hope it's not that. I'm tired of memeshit. It's also going to feel like a slap in the face. Like we just got this awful abomination of a movie design and then we'll get some stupid meme game that just makes fun of the franchise. Can't Sonic ever take itself even slightly seriously for once?

>>10212

It's not like Sonic 06 happened before or anything.

Once it exists prior, it's not that big of the deal to copers. Just look at the outrage over Sonic by comparison, because NO official design to date is as cancerous as Sonic's right now. EVERYTHING from Sonic 06 looks better than Movie Sonic. Just let that sink in.

>>10222 ✓

Recent example: Doom³ and DOOM (2016)

>>10225

What cute, untainted by Hollywood rats

>>10225

I want to say hi to Sonic

>>10229

I want to protect Sonic.

>>10230

I want to go play Sonic.

>>10225

How could they miss the mark so much with the movie? How do you go from something like this to someyhing like >>10223 ?

>>10231

You disgust me.

lol @ the faggots coming at the woodwork to say "i never liked sannnic"

it bothers me because everything i like even myself for the way i was born is shitted on, mocked, and picked apart at all the fucking time. how is sonic dead when it's still one of the most highest grossing video game franchise?

>>10229

>>10230

>>10231

I want to hug Sonic.

>>10249

Is this a autistic comic about Sonic telling us all not to worry because he's still around and keep smiling?

>>10250

Hell if I know what it's saying, but it's a nicely drawn Sonic.

>>10252

It'll just get filled with bots again.

I'll be waiting for the inevitable Ultimate version

>>10249

I wish I knew what this said

>>10256

oh cool they based a lot of the animations of those from Sonic Battle

I hope they announce a new Modern Sonic game soon.

>>10259

i can't imagine it will happen any time soon. Sonic Team has to work on the next Mario&Sonic game which is all they care about anymore.

>>10260

Isn't that why they have two teams of developers? One for the Olympics games and whoever is left for Sonic games?

>>10260

That Sonic Team (Unleashed/Generations) is making the Olympic games. Kishitmoto Team (Colors/Lost World/Forces) is likely making the next mainline game. And if they aren't making a movie tie in at this point (thank fucking god), it's just going to be another mediocre can of worms game anyways.

They need to make some Sonic Jam like 3D Sonic game for Taxman to try out, they need to get more and better 3D Sonic devs.

>>10262

I don't even want a game from Kishimoto team at this point. I'd rather just get nothing instead of continuing to ruin Modern Sonic even more than it's been

>>10249

How do the Japanese always seem to draw such great Sonics?

>>10264

>2nd pic

I'm sorry, but what?

>>10269

Are there any Maria pics where she's sick and bedridden?

>>10254

>>10266

What if Eggman gave Sonic & Shadow toilet paper tubes? Would that distract them long enough for him to take over the world?

>>10274

Enough to get a good headstart for sure.

>>10265

>>10257

>>10250

https://twitter.com/aISQX1g46O8FmSC/status/1072993471923814400

Here's a translation.

>>10193

https://twitter.com/Yasuharah/status/1072766950948843520

>>10283

That's sweet.

>>10260

>>10261

>>10262

They're no separate teams for Sonic anymore. That ended with Lost World.

>>10286

So there's no more Olympic games then? Because there's no way SEGA is letting Kishimoto go anywhere near their 10 million selling prize possession.

>>10287

I'm pretty sure there is a separate team for the Olympics games, but it's not the old Unleashed/Generations team. It's a different internal SEGA team.

>>10289

The only member I remember working on the Olympics game was Generations director. Who didn’t even work on the main version, he worked with Ohshima’s company on the 3DS version.

Other than that we need to compare credits to find out for sure.

>>10283

>No needs to be sad.

I can't not be

>>10289

So I went and looked up the Generations staff list on the Sonic wiki. I went and made a list of of people who worked on both Generations and Rio 2016. With those people I also went and looked if they worked on Lost World or Forces as well.

>Katsuyuki Shigihara - Game Designer (Generations and 2016 Rio)

>Yuji Yamaga - Lead Stage Artist (Generations)/Stage Artist (2016 Rio)

>Takahiro Suzuki - Stage Artist (Generations and 2016 Rio)/Field Artist (Forces)

>Tamotsu Kushibe - Lead Cutscene Artist (Generations)/Stage Artist (2016 Rio)/Cutscene Artist (Forces)

>Yoshinari Amaike - Character Artist (Generations, 2016 Rio, and Forces)

>Ryohei Yanase - Character Artist (Generations, 2016 Rio, and Forces)

>Masashi Fukumitsu - Character Animator (Generations and 2016 Rio)/Cutscene Artist (Forces)

>Kenji Odakura - Cutscene Artist (Generations)/Character Animator (2016 Rio)

>Yasushi Ogino - Cutscene Artist (Generations)/Character Animator (2016 Rio)/Special Thanks (Forces)

>Hiromasa Yoshida - Character Animator (Generations and 2016 Rio)/Cutscene Artist (Lost World)/Special Thanks (Forces)

>Outa Sano - Programming Director (Generations)/Tools & Library Support (Lost World and 2016 Rio)/Programmer (2016 Rio)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Takahiro Nagata - System Programmer (Generations)/Tools & Library Programmer (2016 Rio)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Naoko Shimura - Gameplay Programmer (Generations)/Tools & Library Programmer (2016 Rio)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Koji Ogino - Lead System Programmer (Generations)/Graphics Programmer (Lost World)/Tools & Library Programmer (2016 Rio)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Takateru Ohyama - Gameplay Programmer (Generations)/Graphics Programmer (Lost World)/Tools & Library Programmer (2016 Rio)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Takashi Iizuka - Producer (Generations and Lost World)/Sonic Character Supervisor (2016 Rio)/Sonic Series Producer and Product Development VP of PD and Creative Services (Forces)

>Yuji Uekawa - Sonic Character Supervisor (Generations, Lost World, 2016 Rio, and Forces)

>Eitaro Toyoda - Sonic Character Supervisor (Generations and 2016 Rio)/Writer (Forces)

>Sachiko Kawamura - Art Director (Generations and Lost World)/Project Support (Rio 2016)/Senior Art Director (Forces)

>Naofumi Hataya - Remix Artist & Composer (Generations)/Additional Composer (Lost World and Forces)/Project Support and Composer (Rio 2016)

>Kenichi Tokoi - Remix Artist & Composer (Generations)/Sound Producer and Composer (2016 Rio)/Additional Composer (Forces)

>Tomoya Ohtani - Remix Artist & Composer (Generations)/Sound Director & Music Composer (Lost World)/Composer (Rio 2016)/Sound Director & Lead Music Composer (Forces)

>Jun Senoue - Sound Director (Generations)/Special Thanks (Lost World)/Composer and Sound Director (Rio 2016)/Recording Coordinator and Muscian (Forces)

>Takahito Eguchi - Musician (Generations)/Cut Scene Music Composer & Orchestrator (Lost World)/Arrancger (Rio 2016)/Cutscene Music Composer & Arranger (Forces)

>Atsushi "Sushi" Kosugi (BEAT ON BEAT, inc.) - Recording Coordinator (Generations)/Recording Director (Rio 2016)

>Dave Darlington - Recording Engineer (Generations)/Mix Engineer (Rio 2016)

>Shigeo Sakurai - Recording Engineer (Generations, Lost World, Rio 2016, and Forces)

I stopped once I got to recording artists and product testers and marketers of SEGA and such. There's some overlap there, but I figured the main devs would be what we want to see.

>>10295

And here's the 3DS Rio list. Also, I made a couple mistakes in the first post. Tamotsu Kushibe, Yoshinari Amaike, and Ryohei Yanase worked on Lost World as well.

>Hiroshi Miyamoto - Director (Generations and Rio 2016)

>Masashi Fukumitsu - Character Animator (Generations and 3DS & WiiU Rio 2016)/Cutscene Artist (Forces)

>Hiromasa Yoshida - Character Animator (Generations and 3ds & WiiU Rio 2016)/Cutscene Artist (Lost World)/Special Thanks (Forces)

>Yasushi Ogino - Cutscene Artist (Generations)/Character Animator (3DS & WiiU 2016 Rio)/Special Thanks (Forces)

>Kazuhisa Shimonou - Special Thanks (Generations)/Character Animator (3DS Rio)

>Yoshinari Amaike - Character Artist (Generations, Lost World, and 3DS & Wii U 2016 Rio, and Forces)

>Ryohei Yanase - Character Artist (Generations, Lost World, 3DS & WiiU 2016 Rio, and Forces)

>Masatoshi Yasumura - Stage Artist (Generations)/Field Artist (Lost World)/Concept Artist (3DS Rio)

>Tamotsu Kushibe - Lead Cutscene Artist (Generations)/Stage Artist (2016 Rio)/Cutscene Artist (3DS Rio)/Cutscene Artist (Lost World and Forces)

>Daizo Kinoshita - Stage Artist (Generations)/Field Artist (Lost World)/SFX Artist (3DS Rio)

>Takashi Iizuka - Producer (Generations and Lost World)/Sonic Character Supervisor (3DS & WiiU 2016 Rio)/Sonic Series Producer and Product Development VP of PD and Creative Services (Forces)

>Yuji Uekawa - Sonic Character Supervisor (Generations, Lost World, 3DS & WiiU 2016 Rio, and Forces)

>Eitaro Toyoda - Sonic Character Supervisor (Generations and 3DS & WiiU 2016 Rio)/Writer (Forces)

>Sachiko Kawamura - Art Director (Generations and Lost World)/Project Support (3DS & WiiU Rio 2016)/Senior Art Director (Forces)

>Naofumi Hataya - Remix Artist & Composer (Generations)/Additional Composer (Lost World and Forces)/Project Support and Composer (3DS & Wii U Rio 2016)

>Shinobu Yokota - Special Thanks (Generations and 3DS 2016 Rio)

>>10295

Interesting. Thanks for your time, anon. With a few things in mind here

>Tamotsu Kushibe

>Masashi Fukumitsu

Was he on work for cutscenes in Unleashed? if so, that's going to make me wonder why does the animations now look so stiff and "soulless"? At least for me it does, compared to how it was in Unleashed. The other two wasn't used for LW and Forces so I'm banking these three must be where the talent is, considering how that one Rouge webm is nicely handled animation wise.

What I don't understand is this one;

>Naoko Shimura - Gameplay Programmer

>Takateru Ohyama - Gameplay Programmer

Considering both come from Generations, but later does Forces… And as of Retro stating otherwise, Forces is a engine port of LW, which might be a retooled engine port of Colors. So why would they use LW if the main game devs are from Generations? Did they also come from Unleashed?

Imo, at this point my biggest confusion is, what happened to the engine used for Unleashed/ Generations, because Lost World isn't a "romhack" of Generations, right? I hope to god it's not, but considering what happened between SA2 and Heroes back in the day, I honestly wouldn't be surprised…

>>10297

Tamotsu Kushibe was the Lead Cutscene Artist for Unleashed, like I said in the post above he did also work on Lost World as a Cutscene Artist as well. A mistake on my part. Masashi Fukumitsu was a cutscene artist for Unleashed.

>Naoko Shimura - Gameplay Programmer

>Takateru Ohyama - Gameplay Programmer

>Did they also come from Unleashed?

Naoko Shimura did not work on Unleashed, though he did work on 06 (which I think is when he started). Takateru Ohyama worked on Unleashed as an Enemy Programmer and AI System Programmer.

Do note that I am using the Sonic wiki to compare these, so if they make a mistake, it will cause me to as well. There's been a couple spelling mistakes which tripped me up a bit.

>>10299

did you make that tree, anon?

>>10300

No, it's from the Japanese Sonic Twitter.

https://twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1072758113906909184

So yeah if there was any doubt about the other poster being fake, there you go.

>>10303

I hate this so much. I wish this was all just a really elaborate prank

>>10302

It was likely faster to strip the engine than to make one from scratch or find a third party solution like Unity, especially considering Lost World's gameplay was meant to be Mario-esque. That said, why was the original engine not considered for use when Forces began development?

>>10305

I took that other anon's post as if what happened was they nerfed the original Generation engine and now they are stuck with Lost World's engine now. It would go back to why did they even make Lost World in the first place; moving on from the Boost gameplay for something else.

>>10297

I got bored and looked up the complete history of all the "Gameplay Programmers" and "Hedgehog Engine Programmers" for Forces. They are in separate categories under Zenzy Made by Masaki Miyashita in Forces's credits. Here's what I found.

Gameplay Programmers

>Generations

There are no Gameplay Programmers for Forces who worked on Generations.

>Lost World

There is one Gameplay Programmer for Forces that worked on Lost World.

>Kentarou Tomii - Programmer (06 and Unleashed)/Village Programmer (Unleashed)/Enemy Programmer (Colors)/Lead Programmer (Runners)/Gameplay Programmer (Lost World and Forces)

>Misc

There are seven Gameplay Programmers for Forces from Sonic games that didn't work on Lost World and Generations

>Takefumi Nakayama - Programmer (Rio 2016)/Gameplay Programmer (Forces)

>Naoto Ogawa - Object Programmer (Sonic Unleashed)/Enemy Programmer and Audio Programmer (Sonic Colors)/Gameplay Programmer (Forces)

>Kentaro Oyama - Programmer (Sochi 2014)/Gameplay Programmer (Forces)

>Hiroshi Arai - Programmer (Runners)/Character Animator (Rio 2016)/Gameplay Programmer (Forces)

>Tetsu Umezawa - Programmer (Runners)/Gameplay Programmer (Forces)

>Yuzou Hirata - Programmer (London 2012, Sochi 2014, and Runners)/Gameplay Programmer (Forces)

>Hiroaki Yanagisawa - Programmer (London 2012, Sochi 2014, Runners)/Gameplay Programmer (Forces)

Hedgehog Engine Programmers

>Generations

There are five Hedgehog Engine Programmers for Forces who worked on Generations.

>Outa Sano - Senior Programmer (Shadow the Hedgehog)/Boss Programmer (Unleashed)/Programming Director (Generations)/Tools/Library Supports (Lost World)/Programmer (Sochi 2014 and Rio 2016)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Koji Ogino - Programmer (Adventure, Adventure 2, 06)/Graphics Engine Programmer (Unleashed)/Lead System Programmer (Generations)/Graphics Programmers (Lost World)/Programmer and Tools & Library Programmer (Sochi 2014 and Rio 2016)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Takahiro Nagata - System Programmer (Unleashed and Generations)/Programmer and Tools & Library Programmer (Sochi 2014 and Rio 2016)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Takateru Ohyama - Programmer (06)/Enemy Programmer (Unleashed)/Gameplay Programmer (Generations)/Programmer and Tools & Library Programmer (Sochi 2014 and Rio 2016)/Graphics Programmers (Lost World)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Naoko Shimura - Programmer (06)/Level Programmer (Black Knight)/Game Programmer (Colors)/Gameplay Programmer (Generations)/Programmer and Tools & Library Programmer (Sochi 2014 and Rio 2016)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Lost World

There are three Hedgehog Engine Programmers for Forces who worked on Lost World, but not Generations.

>Yoshitaka Kawabata - Graphic Engine Programmer (Adventure)/Program Support Chao Main (Adventure 2 Battle)/Chief Programmer (06)/Tool / Library Support (Secret Rings)/Lead Programmer (Colors)/Programmer (All Olympic games and Lost World)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Takahiro Sekiguchi - Programmer (Sonic Gems Collection)/Menu Programmer (Secret Rings and Colors)/Technical Programmer (Black Knight)/System Programmer (Lost World)/Tools & Library Programmer (Rio 2016)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Hiroshi Inokuma - Gameplay Programmer (Lost World)/Tools & Library Programmers (Rio 2016)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Misc

There are six Hedgehog Engine Programmers for Forces from Sonic games other than Lost World and Generations

>Motoyoshi Sato - Enemy Programmer and Boss Enemy Programmer (Shadow the Hedgehog)/Boss Programmer (Sonic Unleashed)/Programmer (London 2012 and Sochi 2014)/Tools & Library Programmer (Rio 2016)/(Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Keiichi Noda - Programmer or Tools & Library Programmer (All Mario & Sonic Olympic Games)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Naoko Shimura - Programmer (06)/Level Programmer (Sonic & The Black Knight)/Game Programmer (Sonic Colors)/Programmer or Tools & Library Programmer (Sochi 2014 and Rio 2016)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Mitsuki Kagawa - Programmer or Tools & Library Programmer (Mario and Sonic Olympic Games 2012, 2014, 2016)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Fumihiro Narita - Tools & Library Programmers (Mario and Sonic Rio 2016)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

Shigeki Kaneko - Programmer and Tools & Library Programmer (Mario and Sonic Rio 2016)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>Takashi Kuboki - Development Support Programmers (Sonic Unleashed)/Programmer (Mario and Sonic Olympic Games 2010, 2012, 2016)/Hedgehog Engine Programmer (Forces)

>>10306

>why would they make LW in the first

trying to appeal to nintendo/mario users? Nonetheless, it's sad that Odyssey is essentially Mario Adventure while Sonic Team still can't get their shit straight after 06

Ok, this legit got me smiling. This is like seeing the Mania trailers all over again. It's so cutely animated.

>>10309

That was really well done and really cute too.

How to fix the new Sonic redesign:

>>10314

This honestly looks nothing like the first poster. So either the first poster was promotional art and isn't actuate, or this isn't. If this is how he looks in the movie, it's better than what we all thought it would be based on the first one.

However, it's still not that great regardless though.

>>10314

I still don't like it, but it's not as bad as I thought it'd be. Still, I really don't think Sonic looks good when you try to make him "real" looking to fit in.

>>10316

That teaser poster is legit hideous, but if this is real then they should've just shown it in the first place. I still don't think it'd be amazingly received, but the backlash wouldn't be anywhere near as great as it was the past few days.

Also Sonic looks incredibly small.

>>10317

See I've been seeing this a bit after seeing this posted on halfchan after seeing it here, and other than the two other images making Sonic's leg seem very human proportioned, keep in mind Sonic's considered height by SEGA was always around 3-3.3ft in size for Sonic.

The thing about it is, it's like them making Classic Sonic proportion wise with Modern aesthetic.

>>10314

I hate it but it's not as bad as long-legged hobo Sonic. But this attitude is what I'm afraid of. It's still bad. Don't give it a pass because it's not as bad. It's still ugly. This is probably what they want. If this is the real design, they probably released that first poster to make people overreact so when the real one is revealed they think it's better than it actually is.

https://twitter.com/nakayuji/status/1073224426588491776?s=19

>>10323

What is Sand Road based on?

>>10314

Babby's first Sonic redesign.

>>10320

I sure as hell wouldn't. It's still an awful design but since it doesn't have proportions so close to humans it doesn't fall so deep into the uncanny valley, so it wouldn't be so shockingly offensive to people at first sight

>>10316

>>10317

The first two images we got are the official and current ones. First one was from the teaser and second one (the one showing Sonic on top of a bridge) leaked from a movie theater, but is confirmed legit. That design was also confirmed by people that saw the full teaser at that Brazilian comic convention, where it was originally shown. This new picture is another leak but it's material from a year ago apparently. So we're seemingly still getting Gollum Sonic.

>>10325

The Sand Hill that Tails boarded through to get to Froggy in Sonic Adventure. That was a little unexpected but welcome after the Sandopolis Zone remix. Also reminds me when Sonic made a quip about the opening level in Forced "looking like Sand Hill" albeit coincidentally.

do you guys want to talk about the 'tiny gift' and potential clues from Aaron? I made a big effort post on 4/sthg/ but no one seems to care. I want to talk about it but if people are tired of it I'll go somewhere a little more autistic like reddit

>>10332

Go ahead, m8

>>10331

Remember the time people honestly thought TSR was only going to have Unleashed and Colors levels? Good times.

>>10336

Honestly, that's actually pretty plausible.

I remember Aaron quite some time ago talking about how if people wanted stuff like the Chao to return, then buy the merchandise & show there's an audience for it.

Between the amount of merch that's been made for them, the whole "4 Chao in TSR" thing, all the Chao stuff that's been posted lately, etc. I imagine we're definitely getting something huge regarding them & a Chao Garden mobile app sounds pretty appropriate.

Would be pretty cool, honestly.

>>10336

Well imo, I don't mind the idea it would be some kind of Chao mini game app, since many Chao fans been begging for that or the return of it to the Sonic games for many years now, so personally, it would be a great idea to capitalize it for the holidays and give something for the Chao fans for many years of waiting. My original devils advocate would be they couldn't make it happen because they don't have the original team members for it, but maybe it being an app version means it's simple but hopefully, accurate to the SA1/2 versions in some way. Here;s hoping anon

>>10336

I was also thinking that maybe it could be related to the cartoon. A cartoon would be big but an announcement for a cartoon that probably won't be out until the middle of next year at the earliest is fairly tiny. Perhaps it's based on SA/SA2 or just the general time period, sort of like how that 'handbook' released early this year talked about the characters as if Sonic Heroes was just released recently. I don't think it even mentioned Wisps, Zavok, Classic Sonic from Generations, etc. When you think about SA1/SA2 and things that are exclusive to those games only, the first thing that probably comes to mind is the Chao garden. Maybe they wanted to keep hinting at these two games without making it too obvious. I still think a Chao Garden app is more likely though, especially after the "tiny gift approaches" image. Plus, after the success of Mania Adventures, I doubt they will want to use 'serious' games like SA/SA2 as the setting since they don't lend themselves silliness/slapstick like MA or sitcom dynamics like the Boom cartoon

>>10323

That's a banger for sure. It's really cool to see Tee Lopes continue to be apart of more Sonic stuff and he goes really well with Jun.

Why do Americans have such a problem with regular mickey mouse / felix the cat JP classic sonic? why did they wanna disneyfy him so much?

>>10343

American here, old out of date farts that grew up in the Realism era keep doing this shit. Actual fans of Sonic don't want this garbage, regardless of race. Same goes for the Pokemon movie.

>>10306

>now they are stuck with Lost World's engine now

They made a new engine for Forces.

>why did they even make Lost World in the first place

Don't we all want to know…

>>10305

>That said, why was the original engine not considered for use when Forces began development?

I have no idea. specially since I haven't seen anything that made me think the new engine was worth the 3 or 4 years of development it took, and even more considering the original engine manages to provide pretty good graphics even to this day. Maybe one of the graphicsfags we used to have lying around could elaborate on the new features that were added in the new engine (and those that were discontinued, if any) and whether they were worth it or not.

>>10347

I really like that Metal.

>>10336

>chao garden app

I won't deny he's done a lot of Chao mentions, probably more than it would be reasonable if it wasn't something Chao related, but I think something as big as that would need a different kind of treatment. They would probably announce that they were working on it, tease it for months to get more attention, and only then release it. Though they could still do that since they did do that announcement of an announcement thing before…

>>10337

>I remember Aaron quite some time ago talking about how if people wanted stuff like the Chao to return, then buy the merchandise & show there's an audience for it.

I remember that stunt he pulled encouraging people to cheer "at the right moment" in the first SXSW panel.

>>10339

>an announcement for a cartoon that probably won't be out until the middle of next year at the earliest is fairly tiny

Given the closeness to TSR's release date, what are the chances the cartoon is going to be based on TSR?

>>10346

>They made a new engine for Forces.

Sonic Retro hackers said Forces is a retooled Lost World Engine. Literally half of the content from LW is in Forces as a result.

>specially since I haven't seen anything that made me think the new engine was worth the 3 or 4 years of development it took,

…Reminder to everyine, the HE2 (Hedgehog Engine) is a GRAPHICS ENGINE ONLY. Nothing to do with the gameplay part of the game outside of working with it to not lag the game to hell when rendering out the lighting at top speeds. The HE2 is indeed a remade HE1 from Unleashed, but even then, that was originally started and used for Mario and Sonic Rio Olympic games first, and just finished development for Forces.

>>10350

>Given the closeness to TSR's release date, what are the chances the cartoon is going to be based on TSR?

that'd be nice I guess. But a racing game doesn't seem like great source material. Like what can you do with that besides just show the characters driving? It's either all slapstick or all action. Feels like it would get boring fast, especially if it's handled the way the TSR comic was

>Nearly 150 posts in 2 days

Well, the movie was good for something, I suppose

>>10355

Yeah, that part was nice I have to admit, it was fun.

>>10355

So the cat is at least partly out of the bag now between the teases and leaks and all. When do you think we'll get more shit news?

>>10357

In all honesty, I expect more news to come out relatively soon. We're very likely gonna get something huge within the Spring or the Summer

>>10348

What would happen if someone kicked Thunderbolt like a ball?

>>10360

Silly anon, Real Hedgehogs don't have elongated noses and "Pixar" eyes.

>>10359

It'd be the last thing you'd do for sure.

there's a rumor of a Colors remake:

https://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/442852948

it's probably fake but I figured I'd post it anyway. How would you feel if it turned out to be real? Personally I'd be pretty angry. I didn't like Colors at all. I can't stand the level design and the physics in the 2D sections which are like 70% of the game.

>>10363

Feels pointless to remake it. A port? Sure, though I absolutely want an Unleashed port more, but a remake would be a waste of time.

If they want to remake a game at this point, it'd be one of the Adventures or maybe Heroes.

>How would you feel if it turned out to be real?

If it scrapped all the 2D sections, used the HE engine and was made by the Unleashed/Generations/not Kistimoto Team then by all means, go ahead. I mean the story cancer is fucked regardless, so just make the game actually 3D 90% percent of the time, then I'll accept it. Still rather have Unleashed, but whatever.

>>10364

it does feel pointless but I could totally see it happening. Current Sonic Team doesn't know how to do anything but Boost so Adventure 1/2/Heroes are out of the question. Nostalgia pandering is in and Colors is the getting old. They could do Unleashed but that's not going to happen. Kishimoto also seems to like reminding everyone Colors was his game. So, a port/remake of Colors totally makes sense, unfortunately

>>10367

It certainly the ineptitude I would expect from SEGA and Sonic Team, but I have to hope the next game isn't a remake or god forbid a movie tie-in.

Looks like the Shadow milestone happened on 4/sthg/ going by the Booru. Glad to see they didn't fuck themselves over with shitpost drawings, but that's all I know about the actual state of the thread that day. Hope they enjoyed themselves, they've been crying for it for months.

>>10371

3 or 4.

>>10371

4 would be a good choice, but it's still going to look like shit on that body.

>>10369

>artist with a digital tablet + good art program come out the woodwork for the shadow milestone

just prove my point most of the drawfags in the sonic fandom are modernfags

>>10371

4 is okay. Honestly I'd rather 1 happen. Just go all in and make it barely resemble Sonic so little kids who go to the movie don't grow up hating him because of it.

>>10363

I really doubt they would remake it. What would be the reason behind it, what would they do different that they can't do with their current codebase and other content (textures, sound, etc)?

As for a port, the game has been perfectly emulatable for years, so I would much rather they focused on something else.

>>10378

the reason would be this >>10367 . Current Sonic Team loves nostalgia pandering and Kishimoto loves reminding you he made Colors and never misses a chance to shoves his wisps in your face. Might as well just remake his best game

> the game has been perfectly emulatable for years

it's probably aimed at normies who don't know how to emulate games beyond Pokemon on their phones. They see a game they played 8 years ago for sale again but with shiny new graphics and they buy it. Simple as that

>>10379

> Current Sonic Team loves nostalgia pandering and Kishimoto loves reminding you he made Colors and never misses a chance to shoves his wisps in your face. Might as well just remake his best game

Would be hilarious if it ended up worse than the original considering Forces.

>They see a game they played 8 years ago for sale again but with shiny new graphics and they buy it. Simple as that

Sad, but true. Then again, the same thing could be said about Mania, but as a Classicfag, the point of that game isn't because it's 90s graphics, we want Sonic to play like how he got famous for again. And regarding that for the Colors rumor, I'd choice Unleashed over than since it's the best boost game at doing its job in that department.

>>10379

They could do most of those things by porting it, without incurring in the cost of making the whole game again, which wouldn't see the same kind of sales of an actual new game. Knowing Sonic Team and how cheap they are they would probably just port it wrap it in an emulator and say that they remade it from the ground up, though.

So what Sonic games would you like to see a remake of?

>>10383

I think it'd be really cool if they remade one of the Classics (1,2,3&K, CD), but it's all in 3D.

>>10383

Advance would benefit from widescreen, updated graphics, and a soundtrack not being tailored for the GBA

Adventure 1/2 would greatly benefit from graphical updates, bug fixes, etc.

>>10383

The Adventure games need one.

Heroes at this point maybe as well. A remastering more than anything, with better fleshed out mechanics.

S3K is something many want, but at this point because of how complicated it is to get it done at this point, I'd just want the fans to remake it themselves with Mania, which seems to already have started last I heard.

Ian wrote an article about the Sonic movie teaser reveal.

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/v2/2018/12/14/leave-those-legs-alone-there-is-no-true-sonic/

>>10371

I'd say 3. 4's muzzle is too small, plus his eyes are shaped more like Shadow's than Sonic's.

>4 basically would have been what I'd tell Tim to do instead

I would tell him to pack his bags and go look for a job elsewhere.

>>10375

This is not that bad of an idea. Maybe it would be better for it to be completely fucked so that it is as detached from the franchise as possible rather than creating something that's still awful but has some acceptance in the fanbase and is just serious enough to be recognized as part of it in the future.

>>10389

>I would tell him to pack his bags and go look for a job elsewhere.

Well sure, if I had more power over him to tell him to fuck off, but when you're dealing with the devil, the only thing you can do is make a compromise at a price. Cuphead told me this.

>>10370

I feel like the reactions from the Sonics would all be different in this pic. Classic would probably be the most like "What the fuck," Modern would be the most accepting, and Boom would just be snickering cause Movie Sonic is getting the same reaction from the fans as Boom Sonic did.

>>10391

Classic is based on Mania Sonic which is hybrid'd Classic Sonic from Generations. Classic Sonic from Genesis era would do what you said, especially OVA Sonic.

Modern honestly might given his laid back nature though.

What would your life be like if you weren't a Sonic fan, /fast/?

>>10393

Realistically, I think I would've ended up a huge Pokemon fan instead.

>>10393

I'd probably end up a cringy, spergy Nintendrone. I blame most of my Nintendo fever to Sonic jumping ship to Nintendo to begin with.

>>10393

I wouldnt like video games period and I wont be a nerd.. so a normalfag

>>10397

Fuck, I thought it was a life sized cream statue.

>>10393

Were you looking for self-deprecating joke replies?

>>10400

Actually no. I'm curious to know where a lot of fans would be if they weren't fans of our blue rat.

>>10402

It's a gift, so probably Christmas?

>>10404

I love her

okay guys I thought of something potentially horrible. So you know how it seems like the tiny gift might possibly be Chao related as stated here: >>10336 ? And you know how we're getting a new Sonic cartoon? And you know how well received Mania Adventures was with its cutesyness and slapstick? And you know how ridiculously popular the Minions movie was and the Rabbids cartoon on Nickelodeon is What if the new cartoon is like these but with Chao?

>>10393

I'd probably been on some other fandom, like Fallout. only reason why I came back to Sonic was because I feel that I'm not socially productive enough IRL, but since the Sonic fandom is so large and (I'm sorry to admit it) autistic there are plenty of things I can say, and I won't be alone on that opinion or ridiculed for it due to there being much worse people of a larger quantity.

oh yeah I also came back, because the games are fun too :^)

>>10407

No one is buying a show about Chao.

>>10407

The Chao don't talk for one.

And as a Raymanfag, the Rabbits appeal was to be completely obnoxious as all fuck. Chao don't fill the role of that at all. Unless, it was about Omochao. But when was the last time they even referenced it? Generations?

Basically that's not happening. You're likely to have Wisps fill that role before Chao.

>>10410

Omochao and 3 other Chao are racers in Team Sonic Racing

>>10411

Ok? Other than the Omochao that I forgot, there's no demand for Chao Minions. Stop the paranoia, that shit erks me.

The cartoon is likely 100% Mania the Series or Modern Sonic Adventures.

>>10393

I'd probably be significantly less furry, probably not have a fetish for autistic girls or browse deviantart, and maybe have less interest in level editing and 3d games in general. Last part because my first Sonic experience was being too retarded to play Sonic R and exploring the levels instead of racing.

What music genres would /sthg/ want to see more of in future Sonic games?

>>10415

Jazz,Rock,Hip Hop, Electronica, and Trap

>>10415

Drum & Bass, rock, industrial.

>>10415

Techno

>>10415

My ideal direction is a mixing of Classic/Adventure1-2/Unleashed of music handling.

>Music theme is based on level, not on character

>But music is characterized by certain character playing the level (e.g, Sonic has high energy/fast pace music, something like video related; Shadow's have anime synthesis, Knuckles with hip hop, Rouge with smooth jazz ala Mania's Stardust Speedway Act 2, etc)

>When going fast (not just boosting, just going at high speeds in general), music synthesis out like it normally does when boost, just not as washed out as much though

That's what I want. It would pander to everything I like from each era and adds variety, but characteristics that match the character best.

>>10415

Ska, Ska punk

>>10427

That's awful looking.

>>10427

What's with the Omelete? So was it all just a fan art conception? Or is this actually from the art team from the movie?

I'm confused.

>>10431

Omelete is the company that did the CCXP even in Brazil, which is where the Sonic movie teaser was shown which also happened to show Sonic's full design. The person who drew this art is an artist who works for Omelete and also apparently wasn't even at the event. But Omelete posted it on their Instagram anyway for some reason. It's confusing. I am guessing some of the staff workers there told the artist what the design looked like. Perhaps they feel the drawing was accurate enough to post on their Instagram account.

>>10434

That is a pretty old Bump.

>>10435

Yeah, it's from 5 days after she was created, or possibly less. Good times.

>>10434

>>10437

cute deer

>>10440

Morning anon.

>>10440

Good morning!

So what are your thoughts on TSR, given everything we've seen so far?

>>10443

I don't really like racing games so I can't really comment on its gameplay or anything like that. I only ever played the first Sonic Riders game. I like the part of the soundtrack. Jun and Crush 40's work sound good. I dislike the music Hyper Potions did. It just sounds really generic and their songs sound too similar. I'm not a storyfag but I was really interested in the story mode until we got screenshots showing the cutscenes would just be static text/images on backgrounds like in Free Riders. Having some good cutscenes and character interactions would have been nice since we haven't seen most of these characters do anything of note in years. I feel like this is going to get a lot the actual storyfags angry

>>10443

I feel they're going to fuck it up. They're once again trying to force the teamplay angle and I don't think they're going to make it work, or at least make it work well enough for it to be worth it. They're messing with the core gameplay to inject this into the game no less, so it has a real chance of fucking everything up, and it doesn't look like the game is going to be much more than that. It seems a lot of people love the music, and it's not awful by any means, but outside of one tune I think, I haven't been particularly wowed by it. I also remember thinking the stages were rather empty and too simple, but it's a racing game so I don't know how far they could or should go in making them more elaborate.

>>10443

It's just kinda there for me. The team aspect doesn't interest me in the slightest, I have a feeling it'll be dead online, and really I'm just not looking for a kart racer right now. I've said quite a few times across /sthg/'s that TSR feels like something that should've come during the off-time between Lost World and Forces.

>>10468

I don't know how the team aspect itself will go over, when I was young I preferred competing with friends more than teaming up in games, but that was just me.

>>10468

they'll probably like CTR more but I don't think they will hate the team mechanics of TSR either.

https://twitter.com/Tracker_TD/status/1074375349960630273?s=19

So uhh, I guess Sonic Team as we know it is gone?

>>10471

Interesting and kinda saddening if that is truly the case.

>>10471

cue the 'sonic is dead/?! oh no!?!' videos from every gaming related eceleb for the next two weeks

https://twitter.com/Tracker_TD/status/1074375440171761664

https://twitter.com/Tracker_TD/status/1074377128270024706

https://twitter.com/Tracker_TD/status/1074377701576855554

https://twitter.com/Tracker_TD/status/1074381421844799488

https://twitter.com/Tracker_TD/status/1074404791768506369

https://twitter.com/Tracker_TD/status/1074380444991414272

So what is being worked on now and by whom? Is there an internal team working on 3D Sonic right now? Did all Sonic Team devs disperse into the other SEGA teams? Or are they labeled something different?

And the most important question… what about Puyo Puyo?

>>10476

Well, this doesn't actually confirm that Taxman's Team runs the franchise now. IIRC, there's already members of the Mania Team who's moved on & are looking for new work, which makes me wonder who's gonna be the people working on Sonic games going forward.

I mean, there's a very real chance that this is just the usual ST mainstays. are moving to the US, or there's gonna be some new internal studio in the US that works on Sonic.

>>10476

>Taxman Team owns the series now

I'm not sure about that.

>>10471

I have a feeling this isn't going to result in any net change. I'm going to wait for more comprehensive and official information before analyzing this, for now it's too vague to make any conclusions. But it would be funny if Aaron just went "surprise! Sonic Team is gone and the franchise is no more! Hope you like your tiny gift you shits", kek.

>>10476

>Taxman Team owns the series now

How? He's just a contractor.

>>10471

>>10475

Also here are archives of both pages of that thread.

http://archive.is/8UD9t

http://archive.is/9dndP

Honestly, can I ask, why is this mentality of "Sonic Team only makes Sonic games" when A: That was never the case as early as the 90s, and B: we JUST got a game not fucking made by Sonic Team with the past year and a half? Losing the """""original""""" Sonic Team means nothing, and means we are likely getting new blood all throughout, hopefully with new fucking directors for a change. Imo nearly none of the directors for Sonic for the past 2 decades ultimately made the series better for itself after the 90s.

>>10480

>He's just a contractor.

Same thing goes for Sakurai, and well, that doesn't stop him from making more Smash games and still be director for them.

>>10480

I'd appreciate some clarity on this situation either from Aaron or Iizuka. I wonder if someone can get that out of them.

>>10484

I doubt it. They're generally so damn secretive. I'm surprised that someone that has a position in the company actually came out and made comments on something like this.

>>10484

what if this is the decemmebr announcement aaron was hinting at

https://twitter.com/RubyEclipse/status/1074413667133714432

Tiny gift should be dropping next week.

>>10488

Please be some good news. We kinda really need it.

GO FAST

So:

>Sonic Team as we know it may or may not have collapsed

>Mania Team are already moving on to other stuff (at least for now)

>Movie is looking like a massive trainwreck

>Tiny gift coming next/this week

Man, we are in for some interesting times with this series, huh?

>>10495

I wouldn't really call them interesting… They're probably going to be pretty boring. Besides the chance of other Sega staff unofficially giving information about what happened with Sonic Team, where/when could we get some information about it, and when's the next investor report coming out?

>>10495

Only artists from Mania left. And I think one level designer. Those can be replaced. Tax and Stealth are the main men, plus some Jap assistance.

The movie since day one never going to matter, it was going to be shit by proxy of being a video game movie for a mascot not many care about much anymore.

And since the cartoon is still "happening", the only thing that's mostly in the dark is Modern Sonic. Boom is dead, the movie is likely going to make Modern Sonic even worse off now, leaving Classic unscaved. Maybe if SEGA wasn't retarded and never made Boom era happen to coincide with the movie being made (hence the blue armed Sonic again), things wouldn't have gone into deep shit again, again, for Modern Sonic. Should have just made Gens 2.

>>10497

IIRC, Whitehead's already off working on Freedom Planet 2, whenever that comes out.

>>10498

I think I remember that being announced before Mania was announced at the Anniversary Party, so if he worked on FP2 and Mania at the same time maybe he could work on both FP2 and whatever comes after Mania too.

>>10498

He was just commissioned for the programming, which shouldn't take as much time away from other work once you have a good network.

>>10499

>>10500

And reminder, Taxman was director for Mania, not main programmer, that was Stealth.

Would you say that S3&K was easier for new players than Sonic 1 and 2?

>>10501

He was? I thought those positions were taken by Sega staff, like that Asian chick that was in some videos/interviews.

>>10495

The Sonic Team stuff is interesting, but it could also just turn out to be nothing. In the event Sonic Team (at least the current group) is gone, I really want to know who is getting their hands on Modern Sonic next. I assume Iizuka (and Hoshino) are still the guys in charge regardless.

I don't think there is any issue with Mania Team, they'll come back when needed and they can probably afford to replace a few pieces in the event some can't come back. Really, I just hope SEGA doesn't rush them again.

The movie just kinda makes me sad at what could've been on top of Sonic getting laughed at more and more. It's hard to love Sonic.

I have no expectations regarding the gift. I still like Aaron, but I know not to get excited for stuff he hypes up most of the time.

>>10502

S3&K had a save system so it was easier by default. When you game over you can go right back to where you left off and keep practicing. I think it's also generally more forgivable than S1/2. There's nothing as difficult as Scrap Brain and Metropolis

>>10502

>He was?

Iirc, it said so in Mania's credits. It's blank in >>10289 but that could have been outdated info.

>>10495

hopefully among all of this chaos is Kishimoto getting fired or being moved somewhere else

>>10507

If Iizuka and Hoshino leave, he probably becomes head of Sonic.

>>10508

He's been direction Sonic since (technically) Secret Rings. Isn't he basically the head of Sonic anyways?

>>10507

I think I might leave the franchise for good if that happens. He needs to go. If he gets more power things will probably get worse. Or just even more stagnant.

>>10494

If Sonic screws up while rolling, he will face plant into the ground extremely hard.

https://sharkrobot.com/products/chaos-gauntlet

Just found this, it looks cool

>>10508

>mfw this actually makes sense

>>10509

I think he's a core Sonic Team member but definitely not the head of the team.

>>10511

He's fallen from space right on his face before, I'm sure that would be nothing for him.

Thanks to a Playstation feature disclosing the amount of people that earned certain trophies, 4/sthg/'s been doing some calculating and has found that Mania has around 525,000 players and Forces has around 600,000 players on PS4.

>>10519

from the Steam player count leak we know Mania and Forces had around 170k and 35k respectively back in July. So the totals are really close. We still don't know Xbone or Switch sales but I can't imagine they'd be too different from the PS4's. The Switch might just have more of both since it's for kids and kids are into Sonic. It's possible that both games might actually break 2 million. I don't know how to feel. I guess it's good that Sonic's not close to dying like a lot of people thought but Forces selling well despite being mediocre is kind of worrying since it will send the wrong message to Sega. Same with Mania, but for a different reason. I don't want them to think nostalgia pandering = cash cow, instant 1 million sales

>>10520

Mania was constantly in the top downloads on the eshop, IIRC. I think it likely did the best there. Forces probably performed admirably on Switch too.

>>10521

I wonder what the physical sales for the switch are like. Forces had a holiday release and I imagine most parents would rather get a physical copy for their kids to open up on Christmas day instead of just buying it digitally. But that might not even matter. Everyone keeps saying kids don't actually care about Sonic anymore so who knows

>>10522

Hard to say, I wish SEGA would just give us the figures.

https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/1074755625530286080

>>10519

>Mania has around 525,000 players and Forces has around 600,000 players on PS4

That sounds too high and too even taking into account the previous figures we got from Steam. I guess the totals could make sense if we assume the games didn't do too well on PC and XBone but did well on Switch so that we arrive at an 1.3 to 1.5 million figure, but that still leaves me wondering about the high Forces sales.

>>10497

>only artists left

Were they sprite / pixel artists? I imagine it would be pretty hard to replace them

>>10525

I imagine the PS4 and Switch probably did near equally well. They're the most popular consoles right now, no?

For what it's worth, SteamSpy seems to say both Mania and Forces are in the 100,000 to 200,000 range, but I have no clue if their numbers/estimates are any good anymore.

>>10525

> taking into account the previous figures we got from Steam.

I imagine most people with consoles are usually younger kids. Their parents aren't going to buy their 10 year old a $1k gaming computer after all. Kids are more likely to buy a game because it has a character they like in it. Adults, not so much. They'll look at reviews and such. That explains why no one bought Forces on Steam but it has such high PS4 sales. I don't think 600k is unrealistic when you remember Sonic's primary demographic is still young kids, not middle aged memers like 4chan will tell you.

And for the PS4, ~94,000 people alone got one of Forces' achievements. This number came directly from Sony's servers so that has to be right. 15.8% of all players with Forces got that achievement, which also comes straight from Sony. So the final 600k has to be close to the actual number.

And iirc, reminder than Mania was stated haft a year ago to have already sold ~1.2 million copies, before Plus was annouced, which said sells came from the Switch. And regarding how sells works, it's all about revenue from product cost. Mario Odyessy making Forces' profits would have been a massive flop. For something as small as Mania, it's honestly not bad at all, which is why its sell numbers got revealed so early. This is also calulated by companies within the FIRST year. Any sells afterwards barely count stock wise.

It's very likely Forces by this point has reached a million or more. But Mania beat it out faster, and likely, either is still higher or has leveled out with Forces give or take thanks to a 3D game commonly has more demand than a 2D one.

>>10524

So… this is the final clue for the gift in theory?

https://twitter.com/SonicMovie/status/1074853082159243264

>>10534

cringe

>>10534

>https://twitter.com/TruckStopSantaC/status/1074857633868341249

Ha.

So they're going to try to meme this into being watched? Do you think Aaron is behind this?

>>10538

Apparently, Aaron isn't running the account.

Now, as for what inspired this account to be made, I dunno.

>>10539

>yfw this is why Gene left his position at Sega

>>10534

It’s gonna be a long and annoying year.

>>10542

> long and annoying

Just like Sonic's legs, am I right?! #SonicMovie

>>10534

ok you guys, this is epic

>>10546

>My duty is to guard the Master Emerald

The fuck? Where did that line come from?

>>10547

I didn't even notice that. The other lines are the same. I guess it's an older version of the song too. Or maybe "my duty is guard thr Master Emerald" sounds more succinct than "my duty is to save the flower from evil deterioration "

>>10549

Unleashed’s art design needs to make a comeback. The main art director is still with the team, I know she can do it.

I don’t really have a great idea of what I would want from a gameplay perspective outside of wanting it to be full 3D and at least a little more open than the hallways we get in most 3D Sonic’s.

>>10550

That is a good question. What would be a "full" 3D Sonic game? We all have to realize here that to this today, no Modern Sonic game really was as 3D as most well known 3D games like Mario or Rayman. The over use of automation, 2D sections and very tight and linear level design doesn't exactly open up Sonic for the sake of his gameplay direction, which personally isn't the fault of say, SA1/2 at the time of learning the ropes, but I honestly wished Heroes forward really figured this out instead of diving deeper into the handicaps to get by with the jump into "3D" Sonic, only to end up where we are today, not much better than where we started.

I for one think a mythos to Sonic's style should keep in mind how going fast opens up parts of levels that normally can't be accessed as easily (but still doable otherwise) without going fast. I still think using speed to climb vertically would be better for gameplay over just going vast distances, would usually has been the problem with Boosting because it makes for very expensive level designing and usually, very short levels.

>>10552

Damn, I'm so hungry now.

Tumblr deleted my blog because it somehow got flagged as explicit

Lol.

>>10546

>demo version for this song like there is for Open Your Heart or Sonic Heroes

Are those on Youtube? Post em.

I'd definitely be okay with retroactively getting more Adventure tunes, even if it's just alternate versions.

>>10557

Oof. Sorry to hear that, anon.

There's a Sonic Humble Bundle for those on PC who want some Sonic games.

https://www.humblebundle.com/games/sonic-bundle

>>10560

I'm sure this will pump up those PC numbers for Mania and Forces.

>>10558

The Sonic Heroes one I know was included with Mega Collection Plus. I recall hearing the demo for Open Your Heart before, I think in a video of it being announced in Japan 20 years ago.

>>10558

Here's Open Your Heart.

>>10563

Didn't Senoue say there were a ton of versions of Open Your Heart before we got the final version in Adventure?

>>10565

I've been thinking about playing some Sonic games lately, but I'm playing some other games that I don't want to get interrupted. So for Sonic related stuff, I'm just sticking to listening to Sonic music right now.

>>10567

Cool. What kind of Sonic music are you listening to?

>>10569

This was the last one.

>>10570

Everything and nothing is canon.

>tfw caved and got that sonic humble bundle

really looking forward to seeing how SHIT forces is once I get my new grafx card.

>>10572

It's more just disappointing than straight up shit.

>>10572

It's not horrible…just really barebones and underwhelming. I finished it and never replayed it, I just don't have the urge to.

>>10519

How the fuck is Forces higher than Mania?

>>10571

Huh, I've never heard this before. It's a You Can Do Anything remix, right?

>>10575

Not sure. Pretty sure Mania sold better than Forces on Steam and the Switch, though.

>>10575

younger kids who aren't old enough to own phones or computer to read reviews on, people who went into the game totally blind, people who never cared for 2D Sonic, etc.

>>10575

My guess is that it's the first mainline Modern Sonic game on a non-Nintendo console since Generations, so I imagine anyone who isn't on Nintendo or PC was a bit starved for some Sonic.

>>10576

I think so. They were remixed by the composers of CD.

>>10575

Forces marketed its game more towards younger audiences (children & whatnot), whereas Mania was something that was more geared for the hardcore, older sections of the Sonic fanbase. It also being the first Modern title on current-gen consoles probably helped it, too.

Honestly I'm just glad sales for the franchise isn't as dire as it seemed before, given that both games seemingly did well financially.

>>10581

It's a bit of a double-edged sword. Obviously we want Sonic to succeed to show it's still worth continuing to make games, but mediocre games doing well financially doesn't exactly motivate SEGA or Sonic Team to do better.

>>10572

>new grafx card

I doubt a new graphics card is really necessary to play Forces, unless your current one stopped working or something.

>>10584

my current card is a 6570 lmao. If I remember right it couldn't even play Generations well.

>>10586

I mean, there are plenty of people calling it worse than '06.

Maybe now that Sonic is a SoA IP, it'll be easier for important people like Iizuka and Nakamura to know what fans think of it…?

So, the tiny gift Aaron talked about is gonna be revealed on Thursday. Any guesses?

>>10585

>>10582

Yeah, it's basically a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

My only hope is that whatever weird restructuring is going on at SEGA benefits the franchise.

>>10519

Imagine how much more Forces would have sold if it was actually amazing or at least a 7+/10. It would probably be at least double that. I hope that's the lesson Sega takes away from this.