No.4348 [Last50 Posts]
This is a little off-topic, but I've seen that a lot of other cuckqueans are also into this sort of thing so it seems a good place to ask. (>>>/hypno/ is full of sissies who seem to want to use hypnosis as a kind of pay-for-play femdom VR so I steered clear.)
I want to be brainwashed and reprogrammed by my boyfriend. I want him to make me want and enjoy whatever he wants me to want and enjoy, with whatever fetishes accompany that.
Now, I know there are a lot of ways to brainwash or otherwise modify someone and they have to be used together in a deliberate and planned way if any significant result is to be had. The one I'm interested in right now is using orgasm denial and chastity to increase drive and induce sexual malleability (like >>3540 in the chastity thread mentions) so that new fetishes and patterns of sexual behaviour can be burned in.
I've heard that in order for denial to be effective, it needs to be paired with lots of edging. But how much? What kind? How often? In conjunction with what?
If anyone has any experience with this or with any other methods of brainwashing alone or in combination, let's discuss them!
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No.4349
Can't say I know enough about hypnosis-type stuff to even separate what is bunk and what is not (assuming any of it is not). However, you should be able to use classical and operant conditioning to reflexive responses and behaviors. Whether this will genuinely change how you feel, I can't be sure of. But since you are a willing participant, it seems like it's possible.
I have heard that edging, or at least some form of stimulation, be it physical or mental, is necessary for the denial to have the intended effect. Some people will just lose interest in sex if they're in denial and have no stimulation, rather than having the higher focus on sex. How much edging is almost certainly something that varies from person to person.
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No.4366
>>4349
>However, you should be able to use classical and operant conditioning to reflexive responses and behaviors. Whether this will genuinely change how you feel, I can't be sure of. But since you are a willing participant, it seems like it's possible.
That seems sound. Using classical conditioning to rewrite reflexive responses seems like an important piece. What I'm missing now is the how - what's the praxis that uses such conditioning on what responses to achieve the desired ends?
>I have heard that edging, or at least some form of stimulation, be it physical or mental, is necessary for the denial to have the intended effect. Some people will just lose interest in sex if they're in denial and have no stimulation, rather than having the higher focus on sex.
I have also heard this, and it matches my own experiences. Sexual desire seems to be a self-reinforcing loop, so it makes sense that removing part of that loop would simply reduce drive overall.
I remember reading about the (somewhat specious) reasoning behind nofap some time ago and one of the things I noticed come up again and again was that some of the negative conditioning effects seem to result from constant, novel stimulation. Orgasm isn't the reason, in other words - seeking orgasm is what performs the conditioning on the unfortunate porn addicts.
That set me thinking. I know that novelty - especially minor variations of something already desirable - triggers dopamine release to promote further seeking behaviour. It would make sense that elevated dopamine levels promote neuroplasticity; if our brains are priming themselves to seek a reward then being able to manifest behaviour that gets that same reward again is an effective mechanism.
Think about how skills are developed. We become frustrated (seek) and practice (mold) until the desired result is achieved (reward). The reward is the end of the loop, but the change to the brain happens during the seek-mold steps. If it wasn't pleasurable to seek and mild ourselves, we'd never have developed beyond apes.
Same deal with modern marketing and advertising, where the point isn't to make people buy the thing (that's sales), it's to teach people to want (i.e. keep them dopamine-soaked), then teach them to buy the thing - ideally more than once.
So what if edging with denial is actually a way of hijacking that same loop to keep the willing participants in an elevated state of dopamine-soaked seeking to make them malleable? Take away the final reward but stimulate the seeking, promote focus… and eventually the brain rewrites itself.
None of this musing directly answers my need for praxis (how many? When? With what?) but I feel the underlying mechanism is a piece of the puzzle.
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No.4367
>>4366
>So what if edging with denial is actually a way of hijacking that same loop to keep the willing participants in an elevated state of dopamine-soaked seeking to make them malleable? Take away the final reward but stimulate the seeking, promote focus… and eventually the brain rewrites itself.
It does seem likely that the simple act of being hyper-aroused for extended periods of time will make one more prone towards developing more diverse sexual interests. It's that whole 'I spend too long looking at porn and I ended up on those weird sites' thing in action. I know there have been studies on changes in behavior while in an aroused state - for example, people tend to be more willing to do things that might otherwise register some level of disgust under normal circumstances.
Continuously maintaining that state itself will likely make a person more receptive, I think.
And I have heard anecdotal evidence that people in a state of orgasm denial sometimes get to a point that they are no longer interested in the release itself. This is either because they grow to like the state it brings on, or because they refocus their energies towards their partner.
As far as what specific methods you'll need for this conditioning, I think you'll have to take that on a case by case basis for what specific behavior or reflex you're trying to introduce.
You'll have to find what things can function as reinforcement or punishment and use these in conjunction with stimulus related to whatever specific behavior or reflex that is desired. I think for this, reinforcement will probably be more practical, since you are a willing participant already.
For example, your partner could restrict certain behaviors which you might enjoy on a sexual level (perhaps permission to touch yourself/edge, or the receiving of certain forms of physical/sexual attention from your partner) to times during or after you are engaged in some sort of stimulus for a specific interest or fetish (like say, watching pornography related to said fetish).
As an aside: Wow, how does one find a woman like you?
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No.4368
>>4367
>It's that whole 'I spend too long looking at porn and I ended up on those weird sites' thing in action.
Exactly. Except in those cases, what is actually being sought is greater doses of porn-novelty: The payoff being sought is the doped and focused state, and a drip-feed of porn is the mechanism by which it is induced. The orgasm serves as the cut-off, after which the brain experiences temporary relief but has exhausted itself in the process.
The way I hear it in these cases is that by removing the regular masturbation-and-binge sessions, the brain eventually returns to baseline and some of the induced fetishes disappear because there was no attraction to the fetish itself, just its novelty and shock value.
That's not what I want. I want any induced fetishes to last and to translate into action, not just a desire to view them. It's clear that unfocused binging isn't the way. It has to be done intentionally, with controls in place and in conjunction with other forms of reinforcement. Plus no orgasm, of course, to make sure the stimulus can't be washed away by release.
>I think for this, reinforcement will probably be more practical, since you are a willing participant already.
The key, I think, is not willingness but results. Willingness is a pre-requisite but won't directly produce the results. Under classical understanding of "reinforcement", orgasm would be a strong reinforcement. Yet what we've discussed of edging and orgasm control suggests there's far more at work than simple operant conditioning.
>For example, your partner could restrict certain behaviors which you might enjoy on a sexual level (perhaps permission to touch yourself/edge, or the receiving of certain forms of physical/sexual attention from your partner) to times during or after you are engaged in some sort of stimulus for a specific interest or fetish (like say, watching pornography related to said fetish).
Hmm, this seems to make sense. I can't help but see using pornography as a little unreliable because it forces an observer's perspective, but if included in careful moderation it might help to bed down some interests. (My CAPTCHA just now was "FaptoH". Thanks for the hint, 8chan.) It's certainly more convenient to a regular schedule than having to do the acts themselves every time. Just so long as it's the interests themselves that get bedded down as stimuli, not "viewing porn". Maybe a trance state might help to direct focus appropriately if that becomes a problem.
I get the feeling that an enjoyment of edging and following a conditioning schedule should be the first thing to be reinforced, because that helps with the rest. Specific stimulus should then only be induced intermittently so that it can't replace the basic denial and reprogramming cycle.
Maybe. I lack strong enough information to be able to structure my thinking here.
>Wow, how does one find a woman like you?
Random chance. Seriously though, I've no idea.
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No.4372
lol brain washing yeah! finally the topic come out. since others are talking about the denial part, let me talk about the brain washing part
i have this story idea concerning brainwashing
about a boy whose girlfriend was blackmailed to have sex with other guy. the boy knows it and after searching for a way to get back stumbled upon brain washing website
afterwards he brainwash all of the guys who blackmailed his GF to become his slave, then he brainwash the GF to forget about everything.
afterwards he become a kinkier as he start to brainwash her into "loving the sight of seeing her boyfriend having sex and intimate with another woman". as well as brainwashing her family to allows him to have sex with her mother and sister as if it is an honorable duty
after wards he become kinker as he brainwash her friends, the whole school, this works until they are married when their first night was him serviced by many women other than his wife while she record them having sex as she touch herself. ends with him married more than just his girlfriend and allowed access to every women in the town…
idk if there people who are into this idea just like me though… i hope there are Q_Q
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No.4391
i got linked here from
>>4390
feel free to look at what i posted there, too. although from posting style, i'm suspecting the op here is the person i quoted.
which brings me to my observation of her posting style, which is very articulate. she strikes me as someone with a very analytical mind. initially, it struck me that a desire to be brainwashed contrasts that. but then i filled in the gap: OP doesn't just want to be brainwashed, she wants to be corrupted. with her kind of rational mind, brainwashing is an ultimate form of that.
we even see her exploring the idea with as much detail possible – applying critical thinking to a lust for mindlessness. just that alone is a corruption of the person she strikes me as.
i'm right, aren't i, OP?
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No.4392
>>4391
You might be. I had not thought of it in those terms. That's an interesting light to put it in, even if it cuts away from discussion of the subject itself.
The inaccurate part is viewing my goal as mindlessness. Mind destruction is a very popular sub-fetish among female hypno and bimbo fetishists, and casting it as corruption fetishism applied to one with a rational mind seems correct. I have some idea of the education level of the type of women who find themselves attracted to it, and that further supports your reasoning. But mindlessness is not really my interest per se; I don't seek reduction in capability, but control over the lower levels of my mind. That might count as an attack on on my rationality to some, but I do not view the mind as a fundamentally rational thing anyway.
I would like to think that I could turn control of myself over to my boyfriend, but retain my ability to think because that would be useful and attractive to him.
In any case, this is to the side of the main topic, which is the methods to have these outcomes happen.
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No.4437
>>4367
/cuckquean/ - Neurology and Cults
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No.4445
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No.4680
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No.4950
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No.5018
>>4349
That image is worth its bytes in equivalent pounds of gold.
Source? GIS turns up nothing.
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No.5019
>>5018
That's by Mike Inel aka Manyakis. He posts his art here: http://manyakisart.tumblr.com/
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No.5031
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No.5234
>>5019
Fuck, I recognize so much of that. It's not until it's all in one place I realize it's the same guy's art.
The smoothness of his animations is really appealing, and I adore his very limited hypno stuff.
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No.5301
Maybe in the theme of this thread.
https://nhentai.net/g/177674/
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No.5307
>>5301
>it's been translated
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No.5308
>>5301
>>5307
Oh, and fun fact: This was a collaboration between Basutei Shower and Chibbiko Kingdom. The latter is a circle of two female artists who love drawing cuckquean stuff and just keep getting 'queanier.
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No.5312
>>4368
>>4348
Here from the chastity thread.
Unfortunately I don't have any experience with hypno stuff. Personally I would love to conditioned, though, to be molded to the needs of my master.
>>4368
Last week I managed to get on a solid "anal streak" where I was able to control myself enough to only masturbate anally. Today I broke the streak, but I found something really strange about it - it actually felt weird to use my pussy because I'd gotten used to masturbation involving my ass.
I still can't cum anally, at least not with any frequency or reliability. I think you're on to something.
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No.5314
>>5308
That is interesting.
If you look at the themes of yuri, cuckquean or noncon fantasy you'll often see a huge influence from female artists and writers. That's not really a surprise to anyone here but I think it does confuse / anger some people (you know who). A good example is Neptunia. It's often attacked as being sexist, misogynist, blah, blah (remember the aubergine thing?) when in reality it is drawn by very talented female artists.
I think it's great that female artists are doing what they can to promote cuckqueaning because it will make the world a better place. Maybe that sounds over-dramatic, but I believe it.
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No.5315
>>5314
If their viewpoint cared about facts like that, we would not be here. The hidden meaning of "political correctness" is that it is a system of meaning that replaces factual correctness.
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No.5316
>>5315
True. I guess that's why people call them regressive. Overall I am a positive person, and I don't think they can hold back cuckquean from becoming more common but they are slowing it down (or were - maybe that will all change now). It is sad and ironically quite sexist how they seem to deny aspects of female sexuality that don't fit into their precious "narrative".
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No.5319
>>5312
During your anal-only streak (very good, by the way), did you notice anything about your sex drive?
Many girls who are training themselves find self-hypnosis helpful. There are many ways to do it, and here is one such that's adapted from a method I've trained my own pet to do when I'm not working on her directly or giving her conditioning recordings to listen to. Try it a few times and see how it works for you.
First, sit somewhere quietly where you will not be interrupted. Then:
1. State your objective. For example, you might say to yourself, out loud:
>This self-hypnosis session is for the purpose of being able to orgasm reliably with my ass. Over the next 15 minutes [or your desired duration], my unconscious mind will make necessary adjustments so that experiencing orgasm from anal stimulation becomes natural and easy.
2. Induce using the 3-2-1 induction. ("Focus on" here means to put your attention wholly on something for a few seconds.)
>Focus, one at a time, on three things you can hear. For example, you might note the sound of an air conditioner, then the sound of traffic, then the sound that air makes as it rushes out of your nostrils. You might find yourself focusing on things you didn't even realise you could hear or on things you hear all the time and any of those are completely fine.
>Focus, one at a time, on three separate things you can see. For example, you might note the texture of your ceiling, then the size of your desk, then the way a light beam falls through a window.
>Focus on three things you can physically feel. For example, you might note the pressure of your chair against the bottom of your thighs, then the temperature of your ankles, then the feel of an air current against your scalp.
>Repeat the above three sequences, but each time reduce the number of things you focus on. Two sound, two sight, two touch. One sound, one sight, one touch. You might focus on the same things you did before or you might notice new things to focus on and either will help put you further and further into the state you will need to be in.
>After you have completed the one-item focuses, allow your eyes to close.
>Focus on imagining three sounds. Then focus on imagining three sights. Then focus on imagining three sensations. The things you find yourself focusing on imagining might seem strange or unexpected or they might be comfortable or even boring. No matter what, you should allow these to come into focus and then moved on from, because they're your mind's way of accessing the state you need to be in.
>Repeat, as you did before: Two imagined sounds, two imagined sights, two imagined sensations. One imagined sound, one imagined sight, one imagined sensation.
Losing count during this process is very common and doesn't affect the outcome. Allow your mind to refocus on counting if it needs to, or moving into the stage we each call hypnosis if it seems to be moving in that direction. Whatever your consciousness needs to adjust into will be eased by this process and you should allow it to help and guide you just like these words are guiding you.
3. Allow yourself to remain in the state for as long as you need.
Some girls feel very focused and aware but relaxed as they do this, others feel very relaxed and melty. You should allow yourself to see what happens to you. Drift into the state you need to achieve what you're doing, and then when you are finished you will know because you will drift out of the state and know you are finished for your session. That's the amazing thing about the human mind - there's so much going on we don't know about consciously!
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No.5326
>>5319
>During your anal-only streak (very good, by the way), did you notice anything about your sex drive?
Normally if I go "dry" for a while, I start to lose my sex drive. I haven't gone without masturbating for any length of time recently though.
Because I was stimulating myself during the anal streak (maybe I need a different name for that) and yet didn't get to cum, I was really horny. I found myself thinking about sexual stuff even outside my room.
So here's the question that I have about your process - where should I start masturbating? Do I do everything else first, or what?
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No.5346
>>5326
>Because I was stimulating myself during the anal streak (maybe I need a different name for that) and yet didn't get to cum, I was really horny. I found myself thinking about sexual stuff even outside my room.
Good. That's how it should be.
>So here's the question that I have about your process - where should I start masturbating? Do I do everything else first, or what?
You don't have to masturbate during the process, but you can if you feel like it. Don't touch yourself during the objective or induction, though. You can masturbate once you're in trance if you feel you need or want to. Some find themselves wanting to lazily touch themselves, others find themselves too relaxed to do anything physical beyond just flopping around. Either is fine.
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No.5451
>>4366
>So what if edging with denial is actually a way of hijacking that same loop to keep the willing participants in an elevated state of dopamine-soaked seeking to make them malleable? Take away the final reward but stimulate the seeking, promote focus… and eventually the brain rewrites itself.
This is a big part of the puzzle, and one that most attempts completely miss. The rest of the puzzle is getting your own programming in while the rest of the brain is in a distracted haze. This is where directed focal states (hypnotic trances), auditory conditioning and so forth come in. While the mind's usual defences are down you can get ideas deep into a person such that their frontal lobe will rationalise it for you after it comes back into action. The brain does a marvellous job of constructing reality, and it's your greatest ally.
If you want to program a fetish with anything other than brute force (which sometimes takes and sometimes doesn't), you need to understand how that fetish works. That is, why would have someone "naturally" developed the fetish? What keeps it going? What gives it its power? What variations exist and why? What's the "story" happening in the brain of someone when the fetish is triggered? Then you can map it as a set of impulses and reactions linked together, which tells you what you need to reduce (get rid of blocking reactions) and/or induce (add good reactions and thought complexes).
You want to leave your body, brain, and mind nowhere else to go so that they all start telling the same story, which is the story you want them to tell. If you work on them separately, they'll just knock each other out and you'll be back to square one. The trick is to work with the brain and mind instead of against it - as an anon, you'd be familiar enough with meme dynamics to be fluent in the basics already.
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No.5964
The interesting thing is that by working hard to research changing yourself, you're already well on the way to doing so. People become what they focus on. You're here in this thread, and simply by writing down your research here or even by reading and thinking about the posts in this thread, you're preparing your mind and body to be rewritten. While others are content to skim along the surface of experience, you dig deeper, and what you find there will help you become what you've always needed to be. Remember this.
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No.8643
my GF is already submissive, there is a hypno stuff to make her a cuckquean? i think she is secretly into this, but she wont admit it
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No.8646
>>8643
If she's not already on board, I don't think that's going to help. Hypnosis can't force people to do things they don't want to do.
Which is good, you know, because that would be morally reprehensible.
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No.8647
>>5234
>The smoothness of his animations is really appealing,
/loomis/ here
That's because he uses Rotoscopy.
It's a bit less work but you have great "smoothness" that's how Snow White was animated.
Still it's great work.
It would be nice if tumblr SJWs wouldn't be pressuring him.
We would get more diverse art.
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No.9925
I need to necro this thread to ask some help…
My partner begged me to take away her orgasms, make her unable to orgasm unless I want to, and she also asked me to not want her to orgasm too much.
She wants to be 24/7 horny and wet and desperate for orgasm, and want to be unable to get orgasm no matter how hard she tries…
Originally she wanted to use a chastity belt, but I think those are gross, so I was googling around and ended on this thread.
So, someone knows how to use operant conditioning to reach orgasm denial? (I once used it to cause orgasm on command… but that training requires lots of orgasming, and for cultural reasons she feels terrible when she orgasms… as soon she orgasms the fun is over, it is why she wants instead to be constantly denied instead).
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No.9926
I wish there was more hypno stuff for making girls more submissive, or men more dominant. Sometimes I see a gif that looks like it is hypno aimed at girls but it ends up being some sissy shit. Too bad femdom is so popular, there's a lot of interesting fetishes that are almost pointless to look into since the good stuff is crowded out by femdom crap.
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No.9927
>>9925
>so I was googling around and ended on this thread.
You found this thread via Google? That's strange. I thought Google had blacklisted us.
>for cultural reasons she feels terrible when she orgasms
Could you elaborate on this? It might help.
>>9926
Such things do exist though they're not common. It's usually called stud hypno or reverse sissy hypno. Some that don't focus on dominance might even double as lesbian hypno.
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No.9929
>>9927
The cultural reason I believe is partially religious, and partially just society pressure.
She believes that any sexual act while not married is wrong (But she does it anyway…)
When she orgasms, her mood instantly become bad, she starts crying, she says depressive nonsense (like that she wished she wouldn't exist at all…), she says she hates me, and so on…
Then after some time, she regrets her post-orgasm behaviour and begs me to forgive her…
After some incidents of this, and upon learning I in the past made someone orgasm on command, she asked then me to do the opposite, make her NOT orgasm unless I want. In part because this was already her fetish, in part to increase submission, and in part to avoid orgasms because she doesn't like them. (for the previously mentioned reason).
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No.9930
>>9929
You have two options: One, deprogram her of the triggers that cause her to enter the depressive state. Two, accede to her wishes and remove her ability to orgasm on her own. I recommend both, given I'm in favour of people being happy and denial sluts.
For an example of something you might use, see Cal's Curse. https://soundcloud.com/4040soundsforher/cals-curse-w-binaural-effects-mp3 It's desired effect is to make the listener unable to cum unless given permission to do so. Such methods will likely be effective on her, since she wants exactly that.
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No.9931
>>9927
>Such things do exist though they're not common
Cool. What about hypno aimed at women (female)? Most porn-related stuff is aimed at guys anyway though so I won't be surprised if it doesn't exist.
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No.9939
>>9930
I plan in doing both, what I want to know is how, specially the orgasm denial part.
Preferrably without Hypno…
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No.9943
>>9939
If not hypno, then simple conditioning(with some hypno tricks). Create an action/reward pattern, for example, sex without orgasm after several days = chocolate/cuddles/going to the movies or something. Assosiate the behavior you want with positive stimulus. Do it slowly depending on how difficult the hurdle is. (one day = reward, or 1 week = 1 reward, ect.)
(Hypnotic tip 1: give constant or near constant appreciation for her undergoing the process. bring up her progress when you can, even if you don't see great improvement yet, state that you can already see great changes. if initial orgasm denial is too hard, you can wean her off of orgasms periodically like in the chastity thread.)
(Hypnotic tip 2: Playful punishment for violation could be considered as well, but be warned. You don't want to assosiate the conditioning it's self with the punishment. the entirety of the Conditioning experience should be as positive and feel as good as possible.)
Accept minor failures as part of the system. There may be accidents, but don't allow these to ruin the system. Every attempt is a successes, because you getting better at the conditioned behavior.(this is minor hypnosis used for losing weight by the way.)
Deprograming her of those triggers will be more difficult IMO. I prefer the psychoanalytic method. Have her talk about it. Play word association games. Don't actually try and diagnose her of anything, let her find her own associations.(all hypnosis is self hypnosis) Write down words she uses often and ask her about these words and how they make her feel. Eventually she will find associations neither of you would have ever guessed.
(Example: "I see you used the word 'guilt' with both 'orgasm' and 'family', do you think there is an association here? What other words come to mind…")
Most common neurosis can be removed or softened with this method. Sigmund Freud treated most illnesses with this method, and it is one of the few aspects of his research still commonly used today. the simple knowledge of why certain behaviors make her feel certain ways can help to deprogram her.
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No.9944
>>9943
Instead of deprogramming her, I am trying to change how it works.
She doesn't like orgasming because she thinks it is bad without marriage…
I think a better idea is make her don't like orgasming when it is not me (well, kinda evil, since she will be attached permanently to me but I don't plan in kicking her off anyway, so not entirely irresponsible).
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No.9953
>>9944
>She doesn't like orgasming because she thinks it is bad without marriage…
Yes, but why? Religion(association with sin)? Family(what would mother think)? low self esteem(i don't deserve it)? Fear of control(with power over yourself, comes responsibility over your actions) Trama(reminds her of a time someone she knew got her life ruined)?
Hijacking the code works faster than re-programing, but that requires a higher understanding of the problem. The promise of future marriage could be enough if it is based on fear of abandonment, or the promise of monogamy. If it is a matter of "power guilt" informing her that her orgasm is yours and not hers would remove her agency from the idea. Once you know the root of the problem you can condition appropriately. For example, "This is practice for marriage" or, "You cum when i want you to" ect.
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No.10783
>>9931
as a lesbian sub I can confirm I've run into no stuff aimed at convincing you to be more submissive and obedient aimed at women. Even our literature when it gets kinky is loaded with the straight girls their dom audiences could never have.
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No.10784
>>9953
this shit is neat but what would you suggest for someone who not wanting to cum is a desire completely irrational. I can even get myself off but even the idea of having another person makes me cum fills me with fear and panic.
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No.10802
>>10784
I don't like the word irrational in this case. The brain makes connections in a mostly predictable way, it just isn't always conscious. In your case there is an element of fear. Figuring out why you are afraid would be helpful, but isn't altogether necessary. asking introspective questions to yourself with different scenarios may help here. at some point in your life the idea of someone making you come was associated with something negative. Don't worry, we are going to change that.
To remove fear there are another of therapeutic techniques that are quite dependable. we will be useing Exposure Therapy. They all essentially boil down to exposing the subject to the fear in small, controlled, incremental doses in order to desensitize them. As an example, if you were afraid of spiders, a spider may be put into a jar in the same room as you, but on the other side of the room, just within eyesight(if this is too much, it ma start as a toy spider, or a spider under a cloth that you can't actually see). After some time the jar would be placed closer as you learned to accept it's place there, and you would get used to it's presence.
This can take a period of weeks or months. in your case, this could take the form of mutual masturbation with your partner, controlled edging, sex followed by masturbation, oral/anal mixed with masturbation, ect, as you generally lower you own participation in the act in a subtle, slow, and controlled way, never takeing any large leaps that might case panic. this will remove the physiological panic response.
Number one tip to this is be patient and HAVE FUN. Assosiate long term gains with short term happyness and training becomes a breeze. i would also advice some rewards system but i mean… it's orgasms. That is the point. You WILL feel good after every session. you might even start getting addicted to it if you follow these steps.
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No.11652
Need some advice for going from Poly to Cuckquean
Me and gf just came to an agreement of going poly after some reluctance on her part, but I’m still having some issues bridging the gap to Cuckquean and would like some advice. She feels isolated, and likes the idea of community, which is what put her over the edge. With people that she knows and trusts and consents to, she likes the idea of me being with other women. However, she is becoming curious with her newfound freedom as well. I’d like advice on subtly encouraging more submissive behaviors, as well as more solid Cuckquean behaviors. She has expressed interest in threesomes, but the only voyeuristic fantasy she has shared was with me and another man.
My current complications are thus:
1: She finds it difficult to do many “domestic” things. I have actively and openly given her treats on the basis of doing (her own) laundry, dishes, cleaning in a semi-humorous fashion with the subtext that they are things that she really shouldn’t put off anyways.
2: She has sometimes joked that it could be her, or both of us, to have a “harem.” She has also shown interest in trying out being on top during sex(but still seems to prefer bottom). I have tried to encourage submissiveness. I have seen mild petplay tendencies from her(enjoys ”petting” and responds well to jokes that refer to her as puppy-like). I will continue to encourage this. I have also been subtly hinting that I’m good at hypnosis. She is a natural contrarian, so being blatant wouldn’t work, but it’s a well known half-joke between us.
3: Highly liberal and feminist leanings due to her time at college, sympathetic disposition, and her current community in a liberal city. I have encouraged her reading of Heinlein, and have used her pro-choice outlook to refer to her a closet Randist. Both have seen limited success, as she now has a new understanding of personal freedoms and relationships. However, this can never be truly remedied until she leaves that area. No conditioning will be able to overcome being surrounded 24/7 by opposing veiwpoints.
4: An interest in voyeuristic Gay/Yaoi. To be honest, could indulge her if I was the dom, and the sub identified as on the feminine spectrum, but I don’t think that is what she is looking for. It could steer her in that direction, or attempt to turn this into a Cuckquean voyeuristic scenario, ect, but I haven’t formulated a plan yet.
4: Desire for “equality”, especially in the eyes of her peers. This is the biggest issue to overcome that I haven’t had a real answer too yet. The idea of me being with women seems to spur on the idea of her being with men as if it is a natural connection. Thoughts?
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No.11656
>>11652
Right. So to summarise
>she was reluctant to go poly but you convinced her and now she fucks other men
>she can't do the laundry, washing up or cleaning
>she's highly liberal and feminist
>she's too dumb to think for herself according to you
>she's not into it but you could steer her in the direction of you fucking other men
Why did you want her to be with other men? It seems implausible that you would be OK with this and then decide to back out of it, or that it was all some roundabout strategy to make her into a cuckquean 🤔
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No.11681
>>11656
I understand your confusion. I will try to clarify.
Cuckquean is the moon i'm shooting for, but i missed and hit poly.
For the other points, look at the five people you spend the most time with. You probably think similarly to them. Brainwashing is a real thing that happens to even the best of us, regardless of who you personally support. You must acknowledge this.
Lastly, neither of us have fucked anyone else yet. This is a recent decision, and we are takeing it slow. i was hoping to nip these problems in the bud before they start.
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No.11682
>>11681
I think if anyone is confused it's going to be her. Why would you even bring up polyamory? Why is discussing cuckqueaning a moonshot? Why can't you just discuss it directly? I don't care if you are a cuckold (apart from it being off topic) but a guy who isn't is not going to agree to what you agreed to. The vast majority of men would not accept even the idea of another man touching his woman. Everyone knows this. So if she says "you want me to fuck other men?" she is either taking the piss or wants to actually do it, either way you fucked up by taking it seriously. This is ridiculous, like the cliche of a guy who wants a threesome and ends up with it being another guy.
You have to grow some balls and just tell her your fantasy and be prepared to accept it if she laughs at it, thinks it's gross, doesn't like it, etc. The same advice goes to her too, except metaphorically on the balls part I hope. Ideally you should be able to share fantasies with good humour and without too much judgement. You can lead by example.
If I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt I will say your lack of confidence is why you've talked so much bullshit here and apparently to her as well.
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No.11685
>>11682
Thank you. I will take your advice and update.
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No.11686
>>11685
You're welcome. Glad we could talk like men and get this shit sorted.
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No.11722
>>11686
So, it ended up being a long discussion, but i think this was a net positive.
I have clarified that i'm not into her being with other guys. She has told me she is thinking on this, but has not reached a decision yet. I think her main sticking point in the unequal aspect, she doesn't seem to really have a desire for being with other guys, but would like the same freedoms that i have. But she has not given me an ultimatum yet.
I have said i'm into her being more of a sub, and that i'm not into being a sub myself, and after a few seconds of thought decided that she was okay with trying that out, but no specific plans where made.
She has said she has no interest in watching me be with other women, but would be fine with me being with other women(with or without her directly involved. she is interested in threesomes where she is a participant, or non-monogamy where she does'nt have to be present), but only if she trusts and is friends with the third party. She doesn't like the idea of anyone doing "Casual" hookup behavior, and to be honest neither am i. we are both paranoid about that stuff. nothing will happen without informed consent of both of us.
So, yea, i guess it wasn't a miracle, but growing a pair of balls was the best move. will update when there are more updates to be had. further advice would also be welcome.
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No.11727
>>11722 (Checked)
It's a bit unusual to have to explain you're not into being a sub because that's the default for most men, but it's good you could talk about it and it went well.
Being honest and direct about what you want is a good thing whereas trying to pre-negotiate or soften someone up by offering up lots of concessions can feel disingenuous and manipulative, regardless of whether or not it was done with the intention of being fair. In this case she doesn't want to be with other men anyway so we can now see the problem with putting it out there at all. We all have to get the confidence to say what we think and not be too bothered if other people say no outright or want to compromise. We have to respect them enough to give them that chance, rather than believing we can come up with an offer they can't refuse.
>we are both paranoid about that stuff
It's not paranoid at all. It's normal and sensible to be careful.
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No.12934
Orgasm denial is now a feminist act. We must always edge so our men can’t be turned on by our orgasms. Perhaps our orgasms can go to needy vixens instead. The sisterhood is real!
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No.12938
>>12934
It's become impossible to come up with fake headlines as good as real ones.
>that link on the right
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No.12942
>>12938
We memed too deep and too greedily.
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No.12947
>>12942
This crazy fear of making another person happy is the oddest thing about some of these columnists. Like it's bad or a sign of weakness to give someone else something, someone who you presumably love. What, does these woman somehow lose if a man actually enjoys sex? It's a bizarrely out of touch view as well because it's common knowledge a lot of men are worried about not pleasing their partner. I suppose using a game metaphor reveals their childish or perhaps even autistic nature. At least they didn't use a Harry Potter reference.
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No.12950
>>12947
>it's common knowledge a lot of men are worried about not pleasing their partner.
If one reads the article with a very lenient eye, there’s a tiny flicker of acknowledgement there.
<it might pressure heterosexual men to feel like they have to ‘give’ women orgasms
But it’s swiftly buried as quickly as it emerged.
Meanwhile, headlining the rest of the Sex & Relationships section, we see:
<If your guy can’t give you an orgasm, he needs to watch this video
The jaws draw tighter.
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No.12951
>>12950
Annoying but I feel sorry for them. Thinking about it they don't love anyone. Competion is supposed to be a masculine trait according to those types yet these particular women are in competition or conflict even when they have sex (unless it's all sour grapes hypotheticals) and an entire gender. That's far beyond neurotic.
In the end they are only hurting themselves (depending on how much influence you think this stuff has on real people) by being so selfish and misanthropic. Ironically it seems to be them who are trying to score "masculinity points" with their combative keeping score mindset.
Can you imagine being a therapist to one of these trainwrecks?
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No.12957
To bring this back on topic, here’s an extended mantra I wrote to dispel my irritation at the article introduced in >>12934.
The female orgasm is of no consequence,
so my orgasm is unnecessary.
The male orgasm is all-important,
so his orgasm is primary.
When I cum, I moan and shake and squeeze,
so the female orgasm is silly.
When he cums, he growls and pumps and holds,
so the male orgasm is powerful.
My body is made to be owned,
and his hand made to own it.
My pussy is made to give pleasure,
and his cock made to enjoy it.
My mind is made to be malleable,
and his desire made to overwrite it.
My orgasm is made to be controlled,
and his word made to dictate it.
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No.12958
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No.14050
>>12957
your orgasm squeezes his cock and draws his semen into your uterus
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No.14111
>>14050
Nice try, feminism-chan. But she isn't going to slip up that easily!
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No.14141
>>14111 (Checked)
When is a woman allowed to have an orgasm?
>Proto-cuckquean trying to learn to become a real cuckquean
>When trying to fall pregnant
>If she's a vixen, whenever
That's my list of exceptions.
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No.14184
>>14141
>When trying to fall pregnant
This. The female orgasm is strictly for the purpose of procreation. So only every 9 months or so, at your husband's discretion.
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No.14223
>>14184
>know a Christian couple who have five kids
>just realised that means she's had five (!) orgasms
What a slut. I won't look at her the same way.
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No.14226
>>14223
Bet she had some in an on-top position. What a filthy whore.
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No.14249
>>14226
Well, I wouldn't go that far.
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No.18723
Well, well, well. I've taken over a thread >>>/hypno/40136 - with OP's blessing - >>>/hypno/44172 - and need some input from a femanon perspective and well, this was the first place I thought of.
>>>/hypno/44417
If you truly want it, she might be able to cuck you with your own body, if the project works and you can convince her to do it. She'll probably make you work for it...
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No.18725
Any thoughts on a cuckquean brainwashing/conditioning her friend into vixenhood?
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No.18726
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No.18789
>>4392
image source please?
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No.18807
>>18723
On cursory examination, this appears to be inducing hypnotic subjects to create a furry musclegirl tulpa. That seems suspiciously foolish.
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No.18869
>>18807
> On cursory examination, this appears to be inducing hypnotic subjects to create a furry musclegirl tulpa.
I had to wade through a bunch of >>>/x/ crap to look up "tulpa" but that seems to be a fairly concise summary. She also wants her host to be strong and helps with an exercise regimen.
> That seems suspiciously foolish.
I can easily understand a belief that the project is a fool's errand, but am most interested in why you would call it "suspiciously" foolish. Suspicious of what?
Please explain. Perhaps I can assuage your fears. Perhaps you are seeing something I've missed.
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No.18872
>>18869
>Suspicious of what?
Other than the deliberate induction of a schizophrenic multiple personality, you mean? Tulpa (or perhaps alter is a better word since you also aim for possession effects) induction is reckless even for those fully aware of the process. To induce it within wholly uninformed subjects is negligent. If you have good intentions, then I warn you that this will not go how you expect it to go. If you have bad intentions, then you are beyond warnings and I hope you suffer.
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No.18878
>>18872
> Other than the deliberate induction of a schizophrenic multiple personality, you mean?
That is one of my concerns and I have been working to minimize the risk of DID. I specifically called this risk out in >>>/hypno/44478 after seeing what "Bambi Sleep" has done to some susceptible individuals. The primary protection against this bad result is that the companion and her host very explicitly share all memories, which is part of the main goal, since it allows the companion to practice and the host to benefit and vice versa - the host reads and the companion also learns. Since one of the characteristics of DID is gaps in memory as various alters end up with different pieces over time, this alone should prevent that problem.
A secondary protection is that the host is always firmly "front and center" when interacting with others. She simply refuses to take that lead and will firmly put her host back if coaxed otherwise. If prevented from doing so, she'll remove whatever influence blocks her way and then put her host back.
I'm considering another secondary protection layer by allowing her to "hibernate" deep in her host's mind if needed. While the original purpose for hibernation was to protect hosts from possible fursecution, it could also allow her to "bow out" if her host proves unable to handle her presence. She'd return when her host is ready, but in the latter case, her host might never be ready and she would simply remain "on ice" indefinitely. I don't know yet if a hibernating companion should be able to visit her host in dreams to help her host become able to handle her or not. Doing that certainly fits her intended personality, but I don't know if you'd be any more able to handle her presence in a dream if you couldn't while awake. The other problem is that hibernation is a relatively advanced ability for her - she wouldn't gain it until fairly late in the program.
To use a /tech/ analogy, she's intended to be another thread in the same process as her host.
> Tulpa (or perhaps alter is a better word since you also aim for possession effects) induction is reckless even for those fully aware of the process. To induce it within wholly uninformed subjects is negligent.
To call them "wholly uninformed" will not be accurate at all, assuming they read the descriptions that will be included with the eventual releases. There's not much I can do if they ignore that. Maybe include an intro track that explains the process? But then they skip the intro... Wrapped archives with the password for the inner archive at the end of the intro? There's a fast-forward button, not to mention the certainty that someone would share the unpacked inner files anyway...
I understand this issue and have criticized "Bambi Sleep" for these reasons. The project will have clear descriptions for what the files actually contain and inducing said companion is the headline goal of the project. There will be no deception or concealment here.
The companion is somewhere between a tulpa and an alter, but doesn't really exactly match either of those descriptions. She certainly doesn't have the independence that alters typically have, and the whole point of her "takeover" exercise sessions is for her host to enjoy them, which obviously requires the host to remain aware. If you don't enjoy that, she won't do it. This was one of the more well-received aspects on /hypno/.
Most of the tulpa disaster stories I've seen seem related to "rushing" the process. All I can do there is structure the program as a series of gradual steps and include warnings about the necessity of taking your time and not advancing before you are ready.
> If you have good intentions, then I warn you that this will not go how you expect it to go.
Well, since I'm starting off with the expectation that it might not work at all - no matter how many times you trance to the files, you never feel any effects - "not how I expect" could be an improvement.
I've seen other efforts along similar lines, generally with much worse intentions clearly evident, that seem to have gone as expected. "Curse Female Takeover" and "Dog Brain" are two particularly infamous examples.
There's also the "Mind Doll" program, which seems to have worked for at least a few anons, which has similar effects. If anything, it's more dangerous.
On one hand, there can be no greatness without risk. On the other hand, they say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions and I'm quite certain that my intentions are good.
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