>>4161

>is the problem me

Yes.

You cannot force someone to adopt a fetish. This makes you sound like an asshole. So does everything else you said.

It's an acceptable thing to playfully tease someone who's accepting of it. If they are getting 'incredibly' angry, then this is not what you are doing. You are purposely provoking someone and toying with their emotions for your own amusement.

>>4173

This. When I first knew my (now) quean, it was a casual friendship. Then we figured out that we were both looking for a D/s relationship. We started seeing each other and things really clicked. After six months or so, I started bringing girls over for us to play with then Surprise! she finds her bi side. After another six months, I bring girls over for me to play with while she games, gets us drinks, and provides cleanup services. Surprise! She finds her cuckquean side. I didn't force or really manipulate her. I just gradually gave her the opportunity to discover different aspects of her own sexuality/psychology. For someone that was more experienced, I probably have handled things differently.

>>4161

>is it possible to turn a girl into a cuckquean?

>turn a girl into

>>4168

>I don't want to force anyone.

Then choose your words better. Cause it sounds an awful lot like you want to push a fetish onto someone.

You can't make someone have a fetish, all you can do put the idea into their head and they'll either like it or they won't. Unless she's into being super submissive and gets off on you making her do what you want, then trying to push this on her is a real shitty thing to do. And even then, it might still blow up in your face.

As >>4173 and >>4176 touched on, you generally don't find women advertising this sort of thing, often because they haven't developed it yet. Cuckqueaning is a fetish that's usually very intimately tied to a woman's affection for a specific man, rather than an interest in the fetish from the get-go.

In fact, the only place I've seen women mention being unattached cuckqueans is on this board, and I suspect the anonymity has a lot to do with it. There's a lot of creeps out there and advertising something like being into cuckqueaning, or sometimes just sexually submissive behavior, can be like chumming the water for assholes. Some guys read those things as a 'come and abuse' me invitation.

The best you can do, really, is look for girls with related fetishes. Look for girls who are into D/s, are bisexual, etc. It's far from a guarantee, but it's a place to start.

You need to accept that it may not happen, and just like with looking for someone with any fetish, you have to weigh your desire for having a cuckquean against having a healthy relationship. If you look for people only for the fetish, then you're not starting the basis of a strong relationship. Which, by the by, is really necessary if this sort of thing to work out, long-term.

But if you start with girls that are less likely to freak out at the mention of cuckqueaning, like girls you find via fetish communities, it's a start. That's one of the biggest barriers, because just mentioning it to the wrong girl can be destructive to the relationship.

>>4173

>which is usually taken to mean giving her the fetish without her knowledge and/or consent

no no, not at all. I didn't even think that was possible. I just hear a lot about people talking their partners into new things until they do it and realize they like it.

the thing is that the way you present the idea might make or break the deal. some advice like this >>4176 is what I'm looking for.

>>4205

>trying to meet someone with a fetish is a sure way to not end up with someone with a fetish

what

>Besides, until there is a relationship worthy of the term, it's not really cuckqueaning but mere voyeurism or threesomes.

obviously…? I don't know why this is even being brought up.

>>4208

>trying to meet someone with a fetish is a sure way to not end up with someone with a fetish

That's not what I wrote. You might have missed the point if that's how you summarise it.

>>4176

by the way, what do you mean by you started to bring girls over to play?

so she already enjoyed seeing you having sex with other girls, became bissexual and then started enjoying serving you after you had sex with other girls?

doesn't that mean she was a cuckquean since the start though?

and how would you have handled it differently?

>>4205

This doesn't seem to be a good attitude. I'm a guy that's looking for a cuckquean. If the girl I'm interested in has decided that she isn't into that, or changes her mind, other girls exist. One's sex life is an important part of one's relationship. There are plenty of girls around, I'll eventually find one that I like and has tastes that fit with my own. Compromising in this respect will only lead to less happiness.

>>4216

Then by all means, go find you a cuckquean.

>>4212

>by the way, what do you mean by you started to bring girls over to play?

Drinking and sex.

>so she already enjoyed seeing you having sex with other girls, became bissexual and then started enjoying serving you after you had sex with other girls?

Pretty much.

>doesn't that mean she was a cuckquean since the start though?

She thought she was straight until I presented the opportunity to explore her bi side.

Enjoying see me with other women also grew out of the threesomes.

Then she realized she enjoyed it even if she wasn't participating or even there.

>and how would you have handled it differently?

Well, we went into the relationship knowing it was going to be a D/s one. I wasn't intending on her becoming a cuckquean. That was just a result of the threesomes, which she understood would be occurring eventually. We communicated/negotiated a lot in the beginning. She is wife number four. so I was being really careful this time.

>>4222

not the guy, I'm OP, and for me a girl being a cuckquean isn't necessary, but it would certainly increase my interest for the girl a lot.

the thing is, would you date a guy with a 5 cm erect cock, or a guy that cums in 20 seconds and goes to sleep, even if they were perfect in every other aspect?

serious question, are you a virgin? I mean, after having amazing sex with someone the relationship changes SO DRASTICALLY it's ridiculous. sex is important in a relationship period. otherwise you are just looking for a friend.

>>4219

welp, finding a girl who would be into threesomes is diffiult already. I would say more than half of the girls I have been with were bi, but the slightest thought of me being with another girl drove them insane. I would let them kiss other girls and I could kiss other guys, but no people from the opposite sex allowed and nothing at the same time. maybe I was just too slow and missed good opportunities? well… I met those bissexual girls when I was a teen and inexperienced, now I'm hanging out with normies I guess. time to make new friends. thanks for sharing the experience.

>>4237

>If a woman has the impression that you will leave her if she decides she doesn't want to do this any more

you are so wrong. people get into relationships and feel insecure that it might end if X all the time. it doesn't make love between the two go away. being in a relationship so stable no side feels a bit insecure is very rare unless it's a couple that was married for 10 years or something and are fucking sick of each other.

>But if you prioritize a fringe fetish like cuckqueaning to the exception of all other qualities, it means you're not looking for a lover ``or`` a friend, you're looking for a human sex toy.

whatever floats that other guy's boat. if the guy simply can't get off if the girl isn't a cuckquean, is it his fault? it is just part of his standards. everyone have their own standards. relax.

>>4243

>you are so wrong. people get into relationships and feel insecure that it might end if X all the time

Sounds like someone was raised in a dysfunctional home. Sorry to hear that.

But no, it is not improbable or even unusual for relationships to be stable and for partners to trust and rely on each other. Not everyone drags drama into their relationships. Nor does being together for a long time imply that people will be sick of each other.

>whatever floats that other guy's boat. if the guy simply can't get off if the girl isn't a cuckquean, is it his fault? it is just part of his standards. everyone have their own standards.

The point was not that there's anything wrong with sex being the primary reason for the relationship - provided both partners know this - it's that this does not lend itself to cuckqueaning. It's based on the intense connection between the man and the cuckquean. That doesn't really happen with fuck buddies, and if you're expecting it to, you're going to be disappointed. If all he wants is a girl to watch him fuck another girl, that's cool, but it sounds more like voyeur/exhibitionism at that point.

Though if one is deliberately deceiving their partner about their feelings to create a cuckquean relationship, that would make them an asshole. More likely, however, it simply won't work.

>>4248

>Sounds like someone was raised in a dysfunctional home. Sorry to hear that.

sounds like someone is delusional with relationships. if you don't have the tiniest fear of losing someone you have never loved anyone in your life.

>That doesn't really happen with fuck buddies

lol

what THE HELL makes you think anone here is talking about fuck buddies? and you think fuck buddies don't feel jealously or the tiniest bit of passion for the other person? you know, normal people aren't porn actors. just because you are having sex with someone who is not your bf/gf it doesn't mean you don't like them. actually, having sex with someone you don't like at all and feel absolutely nothing for is the blandest thing on earth. you are either crazy or just know relationships through fiction.

>>4249

Who the fuck said 'don't have the tiniest fear'? We're talking about healthy relationships. You know, the kind where you don't ditch the person you love because they having trouble with a highly emotional fetish. That's a big leap from reading a statement about stable, non-drama-filled relationships to get to an absolutist belief like that.

>what THE HELL makes you think anone here is talking about fuck buddies?

Well…

>>But if you prioritize a fringe fetish like cuckqueaning to the exception of all other qualities, it means you're not looking for a lover ``or`` a friend, you're looking for a human sex toy.

>whatever floats that other guy's boat. if the guy simply can't get off if the girl isn't a cuckquean, is it his fault? it is just part of his standards. everyone have their own standards.

Mostly that.

I'm not sure what you're banging on about in most of that last paragraph. No one said anything about any of that shit. No one said you can't care about a fuck buddy. It's right in the name. Buddy.

But cuckqueaning is largely tied to intimacy for the woman. It is focused around a specific man for most. So no, if your relationship is built around casual sex, then you'd be hard pressed to call that woman a cuckquean.

>you are either crazy or just know relationships through fiction.

From the same guy who says…

>you are so wrong. people get into relationships and feel insecure that it might end if X all the time.

Maybe stop basing your behavior and expectations in relationships on what you watch on soap operas and sitcoms and you won't have such trust issues.

>>4161

I was pathologically jealous of my fiance and on an hormonal level I probably still am before he offered me the ring. After he made the commitment and I most likely started feeling safer that I will not be dumped for some stupid bimbo, I kinda started turning my paranoia into fantasizing, my insecurity into sexual submissiveness and my psychosomatic overreaction into a sexual arousal and now I am a full blown quean. Take my advice with a pinch of salt though since I really doubt that would be the case with most people and it's risky to make a commitment based on the hope that it will implant a fetish to a person.

>>4222

I can have both. There's no reason not to. When I'm entering a serious relationship, I'm screening for someone who I really enjoy my time with, and is compatible with my sexual tastes. Why would I choose a person who only fits one when I can fit both?

>>4166

>women

>not toys

Wew

high iq /pol/ack here, i believe my knowledge of propaganda is relevant here

>is it possible to turn a girl into a cuckquean?

not only is it possible, it's relatively easy and follows a simple formula

>is the problem me or the girl?

it's you. you don't have anywhere near the expertise necessary to manipulate anyone to do anything.

the first rule of persuasion is that positive follows positive, negative follows negative. this is an irrational response. you can say a terrible thing in an upbeat way and you'll receive a positive response. this is because our higher-level thinking is build onto the foundation of our emotional lizard brain and not the other way around. originally, humans were purely emotional and irrational. intelligence came later. as an artifact of that, we're irrational where emotion is concerned, and emotional states influence cognitive bias. this is the basis for propaganda and all manipulation.

you exploit this mostly through exposure and suggestion. there are a few rules where love and sex are concerned that are critical here:

#1. you're happy if they're happy. what makes them happy makes you happy. continuously state, especially during sex and only on a positive note, that something most closest to what you want *really* turns you on. your lover will seek to do this thing more, and so you ease them more toward what you want and repeat the process. this also doubles as positive reinforcement

#2. shame/humiliation and pleasure and interpreted by the same section of the brain, one enhances the other contextually (whether or not you interpret it as shameful or pleasurable is what determines which it is, rather than the stimuli itself. e.g. public nudity & public sex, namecalling during sex, etc)

#3. continued exposure to someone formerly repulsive conditions and desensitizes a person to it, allowing for subversion involving it. being in a committed relationship presents the opportunity for this in the form of jokes, references, lighthearted gestures, teasing, etc

their initial response will be anger, to which they'll either end the relationship or proceed. if it proceeds, it evolves into jealousy, which indicates a feeling of inferiority. literally, jealousy is feeling jealous of the attractiveness of "the other". this leads to her comparing herself to the other girl. provided you encourage this and sexually subvert it by saying that it turns you on, hinting at it with teasing, etc, you will condition her to use sex as an outlet for that jealousy. which leaves you at either compersion or humiliation. mind you, she will likely be attracted to the other girl. threesomes are a great way to advance her past the jealousy stage, if you can get her to agree to one.

if you ever want to reverse it, just follow those steps in reverse order.

if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask. i can get as specific as you'd like.

>>4373

>a cuckquean yandie

I'm jealous of your man

>>4380

lmao you might be over simplifying it and "mamma", "ape" and "lizard" brain terms are outdated btw. but that's some noice advice.

should I show her I'm turned on when she gets jealous?

for example, if she gets pissed because I talked to a girl or something similar, should I express it? I'm only afraid she will get the thrill from shooing other girls away and marking her territory, making her feel dominant instead of submissive.

in all honesty both ways turn me on as fuck.

>>4383

>in all honesty both ways turn me on as fuck

Then you've got two ways to get a good result.

To be honest, nobody can really give solid advice for this because it's so dependent on you, your girl and the dynamic of the relationship.

When you do try something, let us know how it goes over time. Maybe one day we'll have enough accumulated experiences to properly answer questions like this.

>>4383

>should I show her I'm turned on when she gets jealous?

yes, so long as she's otherwise in a good mood. you're trying to create a pavlovian response here, basically. you rewire her brain to think "me jealous = he turned on" and she'll autocomplete the rest, even justify her reaction and entrench herself further into it.

but it is important that, for example, she's not PMSing at the time or you'll only hurt your progress. don't do it on days where she's really tired and whatnot. as a general rule, if she wouldn't fuck you at that moment, it's not the time to tell her that you're turned on. you want only a positive association here. frequency is also key, but start slow and comparatively innocent at first. build as you go.

>if she gets pissed because I talked to a girl or something similar, should I express it?

reassure her that you want to stay with her and only her, but don't deny any attraction. the reason for that is, she will torment herself out of a feeling of inferiority and actually imagine you with that girl, feeding the jealousy. we all do this with negative thoughts to desensitize us to them. it's a natural reaction. in this case, it also allows you to subvert it into a sexual outlet for her jealousy, but also ensure that she doesn't desensitize herself to the idea of you leaving her (for obvious reasons). so let her be jealous, but make sure she knows that you love and want HER, not someone else, even if they turn you on. if she asks specifically if you like some aspect of some other girl, be honest. don't take her reaction as anger at you because it actually comes from a feeling of inferiority, and mostly a fear that she'll be replaced. which brings me to my next point:

the primary fear of a jealous girl is not you sleeping with someone else, it's her being replaced. you need to always reassure her that you'll keep her forever, and the more possessive language you use in this regard, the better. "you're mine" "she's hot but she's just a piece of meat. you're my girl". be clever with it

most of your progress will come from casual observation of her feelings and the power of suggestion. if she's jealous and it's been a while since you've been letting her desensitize herself to the idea of you fucking another girl, chances are very good that she's gotten turned on from the idea once or twice. just ask something like, "hey, have you ever thought of me with another girl?" and the questions she'll ask herself, regardless of how she answers, will push her further along quite rapidly. at first, your primary goal should be suggesting that a girl you're attracted to is attractive. say things like, "she has a nice ass, don't you think?" to force her to think of her ass in a sexual way. which leads to sexual comparison, feelings of inferiority, jealousy, desensitization, and allows subversion. there will be a lot of that, then talk about threesomes, teasing "those are some nice tits. you'd forgive me if i had a go at them, wouldn't you? no? why, because yours are smaller?", then eventually subversion. which is more of the same with a more explicitly sexual tone, like "would you ever kiss another girl? it'd be better if you could taste my cum in her mouth, right?" "wow, she looks like she'd be great at grinding. i think you could learn something from her. you'll watch and learn, right?" don't underestimate the "she can please me better and you want me to feel good, right?" angle, either. big money in that angle. it's a good angle. a little advanced, but it's a big dollar.

it's important to be patient, though. if you go too fast, she'll see what you're doing and try to stop it.

>I'm only afraid she will get the thrill from shooing other girls away and marking her territory, making her feel dominant instead of submissive.

whether she feels dominant or submissive isn't very relevant. what matters most is exposure. get her thinking about it and escalating it more over time. even dominant girls like being called a bitch and a slut in bed. the same neural pathways of shame and humiliation get people off regardless of their personality.

>>4386

Just don't take the wife with knife route, Anon.

>>4386

oh god

I know it's not. it's very painful. sometimes for both parties. I'm kinda tsundere too.

do you treat him like shit after you are cucked? he must feel so confused. but when you show him love it must be so rewarding. it must be one hell of an emotional rollercoaster for him.

>>4387

this is so nice, great advice. I feel the oxytocin and serotonin being released from reading that. thanks anon.

>>4394

>do you treat him like shit after you are cucked?

No I usually treat him like shit before I'm cucked which is most of the time. I actively try to not banter, tease, bitch or whine when he's down though which is rather often recently.

>>4416

go on, i'm listening

i think it's cute that two nerds ended up together. my gf and i met on 4chan's /a/, actually, so i'm seeing a pattern here. we're both sarcastic shitposters as well.

also, tell us how you met

>>4419

A dildo hooked to the internet that a cybering parter can send commands to?

>>4420

These actually exist though I doubt they work particularly well in practice. https://techcrunch.com/2013/03/10/lovepalz-toyz-for-the-sexz/

>>4446

Hera's always seemed to me to be the anti-cuckquean; she's about as unhappy about and intolerant of her husband's infidelity as I think it's possible to be.

>>4451

well

everytime a man fertilizes another woman he is going to spend more time and resources in that woman and her children rather than other women and their children… so maybe women who were jealous and demanded exclusivity had more successful offspring, so that's why being jealous like hera might be the norm.

I studied some animal behavior and anthropology but weeeell I won't get too deep into that.

>>4451

>at least one goddess who's a supportive and helpful wife who doesn't mind (if not enjoying that) her husband is sleeping with other goddess or mortals left and right. Maybe a goddess of fertility who's happy her husband is spreading his seed?

Such a goddess might well have been in some parthenon, but since such an arrangement doesn't lead to a lot of conflict there'd be fewer stories told about them if any. I think you'd have to pay close attention and pick up small references in their husbands' myths.

>>4416

>Secondly because I grew in a household that was full of verbal fights focusing around snark and now I'm conditioned into thinking banter as the ultimate form of love instead of just an antagonistic expression familiarity.

Oh ok so I'm not the only one. I do it all the time with plain friends and even loved ones but they all just end up thinking I'm being a cunt when in truth I actually care about 'em otherwise I'd just fucking talk like a robot with them.

>couple of months ago, when I got cucked, he used the excuse that he's going out with "some guys from the job" and I replied "how is that even possible when you don't have a fucking job!?"

Was it perchance a joke on his part?

>>4464

>"Where have you been?"

>What? You kicked me out last ni-

>"I bet you went to some cheap hotel, didn't you?"

>Well, yeah, you reserve-

>"Shut up! Idiot! Drop your pants! Now!"

>Okay, I'll just…

>"Don't get the wrong idea, it's not like I'm i-interested in w-where your cock has been!"

>Speaking of that, would you happen to know anything about the g-aah!

>"Q-mm-mph-quiet! slurp Feel lucky I'm cleaning her off you, you oversexed idiot monkey."

>That's the thing, she said she'd already been paid fo-

>"Shut up! You're-schl- going to have to make up for this, you know? Start by telling me how many times you two- aaaah! Look back up! I definitely didn't have a hand in my panties, understand?"

>>4468

I like it, somehow the cuteness of a tsundere is enhanced through queaning. I took a slightly different interpretation, so let me present to you:

The Tsunderequean’s Bad Boyfriend:

Sarah couldn’t believe her boyfriend, the stupid man just couldn't take a hint. First she’d made sure to introduce him to her sluttier friends before starting to nag him out of the house when she knew they would be free. She knew they all had his number because she gave it to them, and she knew he had their numbers, because she took the time to enter them into his phone, and still no success. No matter how many times she ran him out he never came home with the slightest hint of perfume or another woman’s scent on him. She’d even surreptitiously asked around, because she knew some of them would brag if they banged him, but there was nothing in the rumor mill at all.

After that, she had to up the ante. She started getting into fights with him at parties, clubs, and bars after she made sure some other women who had expressed an interest in him were around. Even taking the car and leaving him stranded didn’t help, as he’d always get a ride from one of his male friends. Once again no matter how thoroughly she smelled his clothing there was only her perfume, and however much she kept an ear to the ground, not a single whisper of unfaithfulness reached her.

She had gone even further than that and had her sluttiest friend Katie send him risque pictures to get something going, but she told her he never replied. As it turned out, it was worse than that, because when she checked his phone later, he’d deleted the entries she’d put in, and blocked Katie’s number like a lunkhead!

>>4469

So after exhausting everything else she could think of, here she was talking to this woman. She’d hoped she could do this cheaply, but with her high standards and the kink of not using a condom it was going to set her back a good bit. The woman went by Desiree, a cliched name for the profession, but what Sarah was paying her for was her curvy body and large breasts, not her creativity. “You want me to fu-”, a vicious glare cut her off mid-sentence. “I want you to do your job!” Sarah hissed. “You know what my job is?” Desiree asked. Sarah just blushed and looked off to the side. After a moment, she mumbled something Desiree couldn’t quite make out. “What was that sweetie?” she asked. Sarah blushed harder if that were possible and said in what was almost a whisper “I’ll give you a bonus if you send him home wet.” Desiree just grinned like a Cheshire.

Finally the day came, Sarah had pounced on a minor mistake her boyfriend made and then it had snowballed from there. She brought up every past fault she could remember and few she had only dreamed of. Sarah raged, threw things, and when it seemed like it would never stop told him to stay in a hotel for the night and let her cool off. He was so stunned and cowed by the whole event he didn’t even think to ask why she already had the reservation made while she pushed him out the door. Afterward, Sarah spent the evening torn between bouts of furious masturbation and anxious pacing as she imagined what was happening, before finally passing out still frustrated after the vibrator’s batteries ran dry.

>>4474

In the morning, she heard noises at the door and went running to it. Her boyfriend stepped through the door and she threw her arms around him. Sarah took a deep inhalation through her nose and he was soaked in perfume and female scents that weren’t hers. Desiree must have ridden him all night and sent him home without a shower for it to be this strong. “I love you! I love you, and I’m so sorry about yesterday, let me make it up to you!” Sarah quickly said before practically tearing his pants off while he barely managed to close the door. She pulled down his underwear and saw his still glistening cock and realized they must have fucked right before he left; she idly wondered if he had any cum left, or if he had poured it all into Desiree, but there was only one way to find out. Sarah gently took his spent cock in her hands and brought it almost to her lips before pausing for a moment. She looked up into her boyfriend’s eyes briefly and really hoped he got the message before closing her eyes to get the full effect of the scent as she took his cheating cock into her mouth and tasted another woman’s juices on him for the first time.

Sarah started slowly at first, savoring the flavors and scents. There was the familiar musk of her boyfriend, but it commingled with the unfamiliar perfume and a distinctly female smell that he was covered in. The dick in her mouth had some of his semen on it, but it was mixed with the tangy juices that coated it in a layer that seemed impossibly thick to her tastebuds. She couldn’t help herself and one of her hands went straight to her dripping pussy and began masturbating quickly while she sped up her blowjob. For a while it continued, the only noises were her slobbery smacks and her boyfriend’s groans until she had gotten his cock mostly hard and cleaned of any trace of Desiree’s pussy.

>>4475

At this point Sarah realized his balls still had juices on them and let his dick out of her mouth to begin lavishing attention on them with her tongue. She opened her eyes and looked up to see him smiling down at her and her heart almost skipped a beat. “Taste anything funny down there, babe?” He asked. “N-no-not at all.” Sarah stuttered before deciding to go back to his dick to forestall any further questioning as she tried to suck him stupid. He groaned and threw his head back for a moment and she thought she was victorious before he dropped the bomb. “Desiree said you were such a sweetheart she’d give you a discount next time.” Sarah froze in an instant, not moving a muscle, as she tried to think of something.

“So she was telling the truth, you did hire her.” her boyfriend said. Sarah’s eyes went wide and her face pale in a moment. At this point, Sarah was glad for the cock in her mouth, as she really couldn’t think of anything to say, the traitorous bitch had told him! “A bonus for sending me home wet, that’s pretty kinky, Sarah.” She quickly went from pale to tomato red as she took a quick peek up just to see her boyfriend’s wide grin before looking back to his stomach. “In hindsight, there are a lot of things that look different, a lot of hints I missed, and for that I’m sorry dear. I’ll try to be better in the future.” He softly patted her head and Sarah looked up at him and gently sucked as he talked “I love you so much Sarah, I can’t begin to put it into words; but maybe there’s another way. When is Katie free?” Still blushing Sarah pulled her mouth off of her man’s cock, “She’s free Tuesday night,” she said before devouring his dick with renewed ardor and fingering her pussy frantically. Maybe he’s not such a bad boyfriend after all, thought Sarah.

>>4478

Thanks, I had some vague ideas of including the boyfriend’s perspective as well, but it was getting too long and complex for a snippet. The basic gist of it was he went to the hotel, Desiree tries to seduce him as she had discussed with Sarah, and fails miserably. Before he throws her out of the room, she reveals that she is a prostitute, and Sarah hired her, with some proof (phone record?). He still doesn’t believe her, but they start to talk and between her advice and stories of things she has seen in the past, and his memories of the things his girlfriend did, he starts to piece it together in his head. Not just the things in her story, but bits like leaving cheating boyfriend/husband porn up on the computer (now that he thinks about it, there was a lot of it), constantly pointing out attractive women, somehow arranging things so that he ended up spending a lot of time with her friends flirting with him until he started avoiding them altogether, and more.

A light comes on, and suddenly more confident and sure of his relationship with Sarah than he has felt in months, he and Desiree fuck for hours before falling asleep. In the morning she stops him from showering, they fuck more and she sends him home with a line to the effect of “She’s a keeper, don’t even think about letting her go.”

Some even vaguer bits about the future. He starts cucking Sarah frequently because he loves her, and she couldn’t be happier. He does it with her slutty friends, Desiree becomes a semi-regular for a nominal fee, and others.

>>4474

I realized I hadn't done quite as good a job as I intended in getting some of what was in my head down in this paragraph, so here's a revised version of this post.

So after exhausting everything else she could think of, here she was talking to this woman. She’d hoped she could do this cheaply, but with her high standards and the kink of not using a condom it was going to set her back a good bit. The woman went by Desiree, a cliched name for the profession, but what Sarah was paying her for was her curvy body and large breasts, not her creativity. Sarah had already laid out the perfect plan, her boyfriend would be in the hotel room, angry and alone when Desiree would use the key she had to join him and… do her thing. But still the aggravating woman was pressing for more details. “You want me to fu-”, a vicious glare cut her off mid-sentence. “I want you to do your job!” Sarah hissed. “You know what my job is?” Desiree asked. Sarah just blushed and looked off to the side. After a moment, she mumbled something Desiree couldn’t quite make out. “What was that sweetie?” she asked. Sarah blushed harder if that were possible and said in what was almost a whisper “I’ll give you a bonus if you send him home wet.” Desiree just grinned like a Cheshire.

Finally the day came, Sarah had pounced on a minor mistake her boyfriend made and then it had snowballed from there. She brought up every past fault she could remember and few she had only dreamed of. Sarah raged, threw things, and when it seemed like it would never stop told him to stay in a hotel for the night and let her cool off. He was so stunned and cowed by the whole event he didn’t even think to ask why she already had the reservation made while she pushed him out the door. Afterward, Sarah spent the evening torn between bouts of furious masturbation and anxious pacing as she imagined what was happening, before finally passing out still frustrated after the vibrator’s batteries ran dry.

>>4483

>>4492

I actually thought it was good as it was, the extra material you mention would have detracted from it. I enjoyed that we didn't get to see anything at the hotel and had to fill it all in, just like Sarah would have had to do. The story was really a vignette and the choices you made were correct for that purpose.

>>4506

On a reread, I thought the transition was clumsy in the paragraph as it really didn't give any context to the start of the conversion with Desiree. If people were picking up everything that was implied then I guess that's good.

As for the boyfriends perspective, I see what you mean about leaving it to the imagination, but there is a bit of me that wants to tell the whole story, but nothing was really flowing.

>>4512

Well, if you want to explore more options or ways of doing things, why not write a different vignette from a boyfriend's perspective? Maybe this time with a kuudere cuckquean who's more in control of herself and who would be completely upfront about her desires except she doesn't want to push them onto her boyfriend, so she quietly drops hints and teases him with a deadpan face and keeps pushing him into situations where he could cuck her and then waits to see if he realises she's not discouraging him from doing those things. Of course, because she's so deadpan he has trouble knowing whether she's baiting him or not and eventually is really surprised to see her getting more -dere and hopeful the more he plays along with the teasing.

>>4514

That would take a very different angle. Not sure how he would get into potential cucking scenes without her doing a little manipulation here or there. What do you think of this:

The kuudere has a close girlfriend who she was honest about her fetish to who thinks the boyfriend is cute. After getting a greenlight from the kuudere, she starts ever more shameless flirting and outright seduction attempts on the boyfriend while the girlfriend is there. He pushes her away for a while but it never stops, and he notices there's no conflict between the two girls and the wheels start turning. A little further on he stops resisting the girl's flirting as much and suddenly his girlfriend is being more affectionate as well, and he decides cuddling 2 girls is okay too. From that point it'd escalate to sex pretty fast, but in this case the girlfriend would almost have to be there and watching or participating so the guy could always be checking for her reactions and approval.

>>4530

It's your story. Try whatever you like!

>>4569

>I don't know about in real life

Happened a lot when cuckqueaning was first re-coined as a term. Back then it was very humiliation-driven and the initial community emphasised the lack of control a cuckquean was supposed to have. The result was that many converts during this stage were actually women who were rationalising being cheated on. "Yeah he cheated on me but because I'm a cuckquean now I like it."

A turf war erupted when compersive cuckqueans appeared and only really cooled down when the woman who claimed ownership of the cuckquean term disappeared.

I find the idea of consciously training oneself to be a cuckquean very hot but the idea of having to use it to post-rationalise cheating just creeps me out. In fiction or fantasy, though? Oh yeah, lay that non-con cuckquean brainwash on.

>>4569

What about the vixen subtly turning the girl into a cuckquean before she makes her move?

We don't know if someone can be made or forced to develop a fetish. Any such experiment would be highly unethical. It's hard to think about objectively without taking it personally. It should be done, for science.

>>4570

A cuckquean turf war! That's pretty funny but I think it's a good thing.

It comes down a lot to terminology. At the end of the day a cuckquean is still letting her man have sex with other girls. Some words are creepy, gross, insulting or just not sexy to some people. whereas they might be a turn on for others. It's just one of those things.

If you didn't know you were a cuckquean would you have wanted your boyfriend to cheat on you and help you to discover it? That's difficult to say in reality but thinking along those lines is part of it. Also if you have more extreme views about male supremacy or just trying to raise the status of your man over yourself or others, that can seen like humiliation to some when actually it might not be at all.

So for example claiming she was forced into being a cuckquean is just part of the fantasy. She's saying her boyfriend is such a catch that he can get away with anything. His hold over her is that strong. It's like a souped up version of the surrendered wife concept where a girl always tries to build up her internal image of her husband. The fun is in admitting how helpless you are to him.

>>4579

I think that's a sexy idea. Thinking about it more, I don't really care if it's unethical. Manipulating someone doesn't take away their free will. If it's done for genuine reasons and she truly believes the girl will be happier as a cuckquean then I am for it. However if she was trying to steal her boyfriend and break them up or just hurt her then obviously I'm against it.

>>4602

I agree but on the other hand the thing I don't like about talk of agency and consent is that it makes women sound like weaklings who can be mind controlled. It's terminology again. So I think it is OK to try to passionately convince someone of something just so people don't get the wrong idea about my posts.

I suppose I just hate the idea of a potential or closeted cuckquean not ever becoming one because their boyfriend/husband/future vixen(s) didn't even try.

>>4647

I think I get what you're saying Anon, maybe "manipulation" isn't the right word at all. Manipulation implies covert or offensive action to have someone do something they'd never do and generally feel terrible about after the fact.

Convincing or persuading someone of something is different because it seeks to acquire consent rather than bypass it.

>>4849

>>4850

I think these kinds of very low quality posts don't belong here. It's so much more interesting to see different views and debate like >>4847

>>4854

Normally, I'd agree, but this is just a bunch of neckbeard whining. When someone comes in with a seventh grader's grasp of morality and starts trying to rationalize that being a raging dickwad is okay since you're not physically forcing someone, what are they supposed to even say?

There's not much use in debating someone who's extrapolating the "I'm not touching you!" game into an ethos. Some people are just human shitstains. The mockery may not accomplish anything, but neither will engaging them.

>>4859

I don't have a beard on my neck or otherwise, but sure, let's say for the sake of argument I'm just a neckbeard whiner.

Explain to me how this >>4469 is hot but the idea of a man doing the exact same thing is offensive?

>>4869

Not them, but I'd find the tsuderequean's behaviour pretty repulsive if done IRL. In a story that gives us a dual PoV, it's cute because of the inner conflict that tsunderes are known for. Fantasy and fiction are separate from actuality.

>>4869

You mean the idea of a man getting their girlfriend to cuck them? If so, wrong board.

If you're talking about flipping the genders on a man trying to give his girlfriend a cuckquean fetish, then wouldn't the inversion be a girl trying to give her boyfriend a cuckold fetish? If so, yeah, that's pretty horrific.

>>4876

Women can't comprehend logic, anon.

>>4876

Christ man, not every woman is your fucking ex-girlfriend, and no, being a belligerent prick to them will not get back at your mother for not loving you enough.

What whiny dipshit. You sound worse than a feminist.

>>4882

That wasn't an identification of an argument.

>>4884

>Seriously though, any theory must need be proven in practice

I'm not presenting a theory. I'm saying that using suggestion in hopes that someone will warm up to a fetish is not the same thing as forcing them to adopt the fetish. I shouldn't have to prove that, because it's self evident, but apparently this simple truth is flying right over everyone's heads.

>>4885

Ad hominem and appeal to ridicule.

Put some appeal to emotion and that's pretty much how people with vaginas argue.

>>4911

Not everyone is equal.

Double standards are only hypocritical when expressed by egalitarians.

>>6714

Not all of those are written by women.

>>7375

Good taste. I like this even more if the girls are sisters.

>>7384

I suppose any type of existing closeness or friendship makes it better, but then again it's also interesting to imagine a vixen picking a girl she doesn't even know just because she likes the look of her and starting from there.

>>7386

I like how cucked it gets if they're related. Vixen can present it as sisterly help "Because we both know you couldn't satisfy him on your own."

Imagine her talking to their man. "Of course she won't get jealous. We're sisters! She's probably happy we're having fun together! Aren't you?"

Then when they're alone and the cuckquean is crying in her sexual confusion, "Don't worry! Of course he still loves you as well! We both do. That's why we want you to be comfortable with everything. We'll hold your hand every step of the way. There there. It's ok to cry it out."

"I'm glad we're so close! Doesn't it feel good?"

>>7390

>There there. It's ok to cry it out.

This is far and above the best part of the scenario. I will bathe in holy water later but I admit it now.

>>7394

See how naturally it fits between sister? She's just helping her sis out in the relationship, showing her her to keep a man, and comforting her when she gets confused by her feeling.

You can picture them in bed together, the vixen holding her sister's hand and telling her it's ok, it's natural, and doesn't if feel wonderful to all three be in bed together post-sex even if you weren't the one having it?

>>4847

That's actually a good point.

>>4418

>light a fire in them, but never delude yourself by believing change is guaranteed

jesus christ I came to this board for fetish development but you guys are way too fucking real

>>4387

what happens if it backfires and she starts doing the same to other men?