No.4161 [View All]
is it possible to turn a girl into a cuckquean? I really like making girls jealous, but the way they respond is by either trying to compete with the girl, getting INCREDIBLY angry at me or losing interest/ignore me. the first reaction is fun, but what I wanted was encouragement.
is the problem me or the girl? how can I change their mind?
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No.4512
>>4506
On a reread, I thought the transition was clumsy in the paragraph as it really didn't give any context to the start of the conversion with Desiree. If people were picking up everything that was implied then I guess that's good.
As for the boyfriends perspective, I see what you mean about leaving it to the imagination, but there is a bit of me that wants to tell the whole story, but nothing was really flowing.
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No.4514
>>4512
Well, if you want to explore more options or ways of doing things, why not write a different vignette from a boyfriend's perspective? Maybe this time with a kuudere cuckquean who's more in control of herself and who would be completely upfront about her desires except she doesn't want to push them onto her boyfriend, so she quietly drops hints and teases him with a deadpan face and keeps pushing him into situations where he could cuck her and then waits to see if he realises she's not discouraging him from doing those things. Of course, because she's so deadpan he has trouble knowing whether she's baiting him or not and eventually is really surprised to see her getting more -dere and hopeful the more he plays along with the teasing.
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No.4530
>>4514
That would take a very different angle. Not sure how he would get into potential cucking scenes without her doing a little manipulation here or there. What do you think of this:
The kuudere has a close girlfriend who she was honest about her fetish to who thinks the boyfriend is cute. After getting a greenlight from the kuudere, she starts ever more shameless flirting and outright seduction attempts on the boyfriend while the girlfriend is there. He pushes her away for a while but it never stops, and he notices there's no conflict between the two girls and the wheels start turning. A little further on he stops resisting the girl's flirting as much and suddenly his girlfriend is being more affectionate as well, and he decides cuddling 2 girls is okay too. From that point it'd escalate to sex pretty fast, but in this case the girlfriend would almost have to be there and watching or participating so the guy could always be checking for her reactions and approval.
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No.4535
>>4530
It's your story. Try whatever you like!
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No.4569
It's kind of sexy to think of a girl being turned into a cuckquean against her will. Of course she could just leave the guy at any point but in that scenario why doesn't she? There's so many possibilities. It's probably more about her turning herself into a cuckquean in order to make herself cope with her man being with other girls. Or at least going along with her training.
It would make for a hot story but I don't know about in real life.
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No.4570
>>4569
>I don't know about in real life
Happened a lot when cuckqueaning was first re-coined as a term. Back then it was very humiliation-driven and the initial community emphasised the lack of control a cuckquean was supposed to have. The result was that many converts during this stage were actually women who were rationalising being cheated on. "Yeah he cheated on me but because I'm a cuckquean now I like it."
A turf war erupted when compersive cuckqueans appeared and only really cooled down when the woman who claimed ownership of the cuckquean term disappeared.
I find the idea of consciously training oneself to be a cuckquean very hot but the idea of having to use it to post-rationalise cheating just creeps me out. In fiction or fantasy, though? Oh yeah, lay that non-con cuckquean brainwash on.
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No.4579
>>4569
What about the vixen subtly turning the girl into a cuckquean before she makes her move?
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No.4596
We don't know if someone can be made or forced to develop a fetish. Any such experiment would be highly unethical. It's hard to think about objectively without taking it personally. It should be done, for science.
>>4570
A cuckquean turf war! That's pretty funny but I think it's a good thing.
It comes down a lot to terminology. At the end of the day a cuckquean is still letting her man have sex with other girls. Some words are creepy, gross, insulting or just not sexy to some people. whereas they might be a turn on for others. It's just one of those things.
If you didn't know you were a cuckquean would you have wanted your boyfriend to cheat on you and help you to discover it? That's difficult to say in reality but thinking along those lines is part of it. Also if you have more extreme views about male supremacy or just trying to raise the status of your man over yourself or others, that can seen like humiliation to some when actually it might not be at all.
So for example claiming she was forced into being a cuckquean is just part of the fantasy. She's saying her boyfriend is such a catch that he can get away with anything. His hold over her is that strong. It's like a souped up version of the surrendered wife concept where a girl always tries to build up her internal image of her husband. The fun is in admitting how helpless you are to him.
>>4579
I think that's a sexy idea. Thinking about it more, I don't really care if it's unethical. Manipulating someone doesn't take away their free will. If it's done for genuine reasons and she truly believes the girl will be happier as a cuckquean then I am for it. However if she was trying to steal her boyfriend and break them up or just hurt her then obviously I'm against it.
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No.4602
>>4596
>Manipulating someone doesn't take away their free will.
That's exactly the problem with manipulation, actually. It sidesteps agency and consent, turning agreement from an act of wilful consent into a mere formality, a weapon that can be used to say "well if you didn't really want this you should have said so". Both men and women instinctively respond to manipulation with feelings of queasiness or unease because of this.
>If it's done for genuine reasons and she truly believes the girl will be happier as a cuckquean then I am for it. However if she was trying to steal her boyfriend and break them up or just hurt her then obviously I'm against it.
IRL this distinction would be meaningless because it's not an issue of what the vixen thinks but of what the girl she's targeting thinks. We find cultish brainwashing tactics horrifying for the same reason.
In fiction, I totally agree. A story about a benevolent vixen insinuating her substantially shaplier ass into a closeted cuckquean's life and making her uncover her fetish would be hawt.
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No.4640
>>4380
Your high IQ brain mixed up envy and jealousy.
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No.4647
>>4602
I agree but on the other hand the thing I don't like about talk of agency and consent is that it makes women sound like weaklings who can be mind controlled. It's terminology again. So I think it is OK to try to passionately convince someone of something just so people don't get the wrong idea about my posts.
I suppose I just hate the idea of a potential or closeted cuckquean not ever becoming one because their boyfriend/husband/future vixen(s) didn't even try.
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No.4662
>>4647
I think I get what you're saying Anon, maybe "manipulation" isn't the right word at all. Manipulation implies covert or offensive action to have someone do something they'd never do and generally feel terrible about after the fact.
Convincing or persuading someone of something is different because it seeks to acquire consent rather than bypass it.
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No.4847
The fucking imbeciles in this thread, I swear to god.
>>4162
>You cannot force someone to adopt a fetish. This makes you sound like an asshole. So does everything else you said.
Right, because using power of suggestion is the same thing as force.
>>4166
>A cuckquean is probably going to take one look at your attitude and quietly disappear before revealing her nature. We aren't toys.
You seem to be assuming a lot about the OP's attitude, given that all you know from what he actually said is that he likes to make girls jealous.
>>4173
>Your OP asked about "turning a girl into a cuckquean", which is usually taken to mean giving her the fetish without her knowledge and/or consent. That's why we thought of it that way.
Giving a person a fetish without knowledge or consent? You mean like in this story down here? >>4469 I'll bet when that got posted you had a nice little shlick, didn't you you filthy hypocrite?
>>4178
>Then choose your words better. Cause it sounds an awful lot like you want to push a fetish onto someone.
No it doesn't, you just took it that way because you lack reading comprehension. All OP is doing is using power of suggestion. Unsuccessfully, perhaps, but the fact that he keeps striking out is in and of itself proof that he's not using force.
>>4222
>Well good luck. I'm sure a man that considers a woman's participation in a fetish to be more important than her value as a person and a partner is exactly the kind of man that inspires the sort of love a cuckquean needs to make her want to actually be cucked.
You don't deserve those trips. Fuck outta here with this feminist bullshit. Men don't have to be pure in their intentions when their looking for a woman. Sex IS part of someone's value as a person as far as we're concerned, and if we don't get the kind we like we'll go find someone else.
>>4237
>No one's saying good sex isn't important or that you shouldn't pursue a partner that shares your sexual interests. But if you prioritize a fringe fetish like cuckqueaning to the exception of all other qualities, it means you're not looking for a lover ``or`` a friend, you're looking for a human sex toy.
No, it means you're looking for a partner who can make you happy. Just because a girl not being a cuck is a deal breaker it does not logically follow that that is the only thing the man is looking for. Of course I'd hate to let a pesky little thing like simple logic get in the way of your feels.
This is why Western civilization started to crumble the moment women got the right to vote.
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No.4849
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No.4850
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No.4854
>>4849
>>4850
I think these kinds of very low quality posts don't belong here. It's so much more interesting to see different views and debate like >>4847
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No.4857
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No.4859
>>4854
Normally, I'd agree, but this is just a bunch of neckbeard whining. When someone comes in with a seventh grader's grasp of morality and starts trying to rationalize that being a raging dickwad is okay since you're not physically forcing someone, what are they supposed to even say?
There's not much use in debating someone who's extrapolating the "I'm not touching you!" game into an ethos. Some people are just human shitstains. The mockery may not accomplish anything, but neither will engaging them.
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No.4860
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No.4869
>>4859
I don't have a beard on my neck or otherwise, but sure, let's say for the sake of argument I'm just a neckbeard whiner.
Explain to me how this >>4469 is hot but the idea of a man doing the exact same thing is offensive?
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No.4872
>>4869
Not them, but I'd find the tsuderequean's behaviour pretty repulsive if done IRL. In a story that gives us a dual PoV, it's cute because of the inner conflict that tsunderes are known for. Fantasy and fiction are separate from actuality.
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No.4873
>>4869
Are you really asking someone to explain the difference between fantasy and reality? Are you schizophrenic and don't grasp the difference? Or maybe autistic and you can't tell when people are talking about one versus the other? Or are you just fucking with us?
Being a manipulative shit isn't okay, and it doesn't matter who you are. Nothing that anon wrote suggests otherwise. Because it's fantasy. Just because someone gets off to a messed up fantasy doesn't mean they condone it in reality.
If you can't understand the minimal complexity of that, maybe the internet isn't for you.
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No.4874
>>4869
You mean the idea of a man getting their girlfriend to cuck them? If so, wrong board.
If you're talking about flipping the genders on a man trying to give his girlfriend a cuckquean fetish, then wouldn't the inversion be a girl trying to give her boyfriend a cuckold fetish? If so, yeah, that's pretty horrific.
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No.4876
>>4872
>>4873
>>4874
Oh look a bunch of women who honestly want to make the claim to me that they've never tried to get their significant others to do anything by throwing out hints and subtle suggestions.
No, I'm sure every time you've ever wanted something you've come right out and said it explicitly. You've never used suggestion to try to work your way into it.
You are all liars and hypocrites. I see all over this board all the time the general consensus that there are a lot of cuckquean women out there who don't understand or acknowledge their own urges, and that if they were simply to be put in a situation that would make it implicitly okay for them to act on those urges they might start to express them.
So along comes OP, and he tries to create that environment. If the woman doesn't have those urges? No harm done, he just moves on to the next one. Is this the "force" I've been hearing so much about? Because no definition of "force" I've ever heard implies such an easy opt-out.
Did all of your boyfriends warm up to the idea of cucking you instantly? did none of them need convincing? Or did some of you have to try to suggest that they help you out with your fetish by warming them up to the idea first? Did you throw out compliments about passing girls, for example?
If even one, EVEN ONE of you assholes talking shit to me right now had to push your man in the right direction before your relationship reached its current point, then remove the plank from your eye before removing the speck of dust from mine. When I've wanted something from a significant other it's always been explicit, so I've never done this, but I also understand that not everyone can be the dominant one in their relationship. Previous girlfriends have tried to change me with hints and subtleties, and occasionally it's even worked. It's not something to be mad about, it's called having a relationship and making concessions.
Now, each and every one of you fuck off with this nonsense.
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No.4878
>>4876
Women can't comprehend logic, anon.
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No.4879
>>4876
Christ man, not every woman is your fucking ex-girlfriend, and no, being a belligerent prick to them will not get back at your mother for not loving you enough.
What whiny dipshit. You sound worse than a feminist.
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No.4882
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No.4884
>>4876
Easy on there m8. You expect me, a hypocritical and uneducated woman, to have enough attention span to read all that?
Seriously though, any theory must need be proven in practice. Go do what you suggest instead of impotently ranting at us, then come back and add to the body of knowledge. You can even be smug once you get your result.
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No.4885
>>4882
That wasn't an identification of an argument.
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No.4887
>>4884
>Seriously though, any theory must need be proven in practice
I'm not presenting a theory. I'm saying that using suggestion in hopes that someone will warm up to a fetish is not the same thing as forcing them to adopt the fetish. I shouldn't have to prove that, because it's self evident, but apparently this simple truth is flying right over everyone's heads.
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No.4888
>>4887
>I'm saying that using suggestion in hopes that someone will warm up to a fetish is not the same thing as forcing them to adopt the fetish.
Yes? That point was already settled much earlier in the thread. You're the one who decided to rattle in here and sperg at us on a settled point. You're getting people arguing aside your purpose because we're politely assuming you wouldn't be that retarded.
So: Yes. On this idea, you are correct. Very good!
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No.4910
>>4885
Ad hominem and appeal to ridicule.
Put some appeal to emotion and that's pretty much how people with vaginas argue.
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No.4911
>>4910
>when others make fun of statements that I like, it's appeal to ridicule
>but when I do it, it's quality bantz
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No.4948
>>4911
Not everyone is equal.
Double standards are only hypocritical when expressed by egalitarians.
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No.6529
>>4876
A lot of this is true but on the other hand no one wants to feel denigrated or insulted or deal with someone who seems angry. Even people who like humiliation only want it in a context they control. Looking back on the posts here I can totally understand the negative reaction and possibly being misinterpreted. For example thinking you're angry when you most likely weren't.
I remember a post where an anon explained they wished being a cuckquean was more mainstream so they wouldn't feel ashamed or ridiculed if people found out. The implication being that if her man had sex with someone else (with her consent) then most people would still consider her a loser for not dumping him, or worse, being in an abusive relationship.
I would want to read a thread with anons working out ways to turn a girl into a cuckquean. The more offensive or silly it is the more entertaining in my mind. But then so is a thread where people debate it.
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No.6714
>>4879
>>4884
Y'all are acting way too saucy to be cuckqueans. Don't you worry though, hatred and aggression can be transformed into love and submission in an instant.
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No.6717
>>6714
You are absolutely right! I rarely talk back to my boyfriend because he's strong and smart enough to not need it or to put me in my place if I'm just being uppity for no reason. You can fill in the rest of this joke yourself.
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No.6808
>>6714
Not all of those are written by women.
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No.7364
What if instead of asking 'how do I turn a gf into a cuckquean' you asked 'how do I look for the sort of girl that could be a cuckquean?'
As in, general personality clues, the sort of traits a lot of cuckqueans have that can show themselves before the fetish emerges, or relaying the steps that the relationship took to make girls understand their emotions? I mean, you're gonna seem like a manipulative asshole anyway, but try and frame it in the angles that girls like, i.e. picking up on the hints that they subconsciously left so that you figure out the answer they wanted you to figure out all along?
If nothing else we could get a bit of fun hearing about the sexual awakenings of cuckqueans. Instead of arguing about intent and malice and stupid anime reaction images. Just sayin'.
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No.7365
>>7364
But I like reaction images.
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No.7367
>>7365
And I like threads that talk about hot stories of cuckqueaning, so we're at a bit of an impasse here. Maybe we can compromise, how about you post the anime reaction images AND lewd hints on the signs of cuckqueanery or personal anecdotes of awakening to the fetish?
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No.7375
Recently I started to really like any stories or fantasies where a vixen is the one turning a girl into a cuckquean. I love the idea of shy, nerdy or submissive girls being targeted by a vixen who sees potential in her. A nice mix between dominance, sadism as well a belief that the girl will be happier as a cuckquean is what I like.
Although that's just a fantasy I do also think vixens should do it in real life. There are not that many cuckqueans so it's a good thing to create more if possible, even if it's non-consensual at first. I am not talking about cheating behind someone's back though. Obviously the vixen should tell her victim exactly how and what she's going to do with her boyfriend / husband beforehand, and most importantly, why.
It's also nice to think of the vixen offering a shoulder to cry on as her cuckquean trainee comes to terms with her man having sex with another woman.
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No.7384
>>7375
Good taste. I like this even more if the girls are sisters.
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No.7386
>>7384
I suppose any type of existing closeness or friendship makes it better, but then again it's also interesting to imagine a vixen picking a girl she doesn't even know just because she likes the look of her and starting from there.
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No.7390
>>7386
I like how cucked it gets if they're related. Vixen can present it as sisterly help "Because we both know you couldn't satisfy him on your own."
Imagine her talking to their man. "Of course she won't get jealous. We're sisters! She's probably happy we're having fun together! Aren't you?"
Then when they're alone and the cuckquean is crying in her sexual confusion, "Don't worry! Of course he still loves you as well! We both do. That's why we want you to be comfortable with everything. We'll hold your hand every step of the way. There there. It's ok to cry it out."
"I'm glad we're so close! Doesn't it feel good?"
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No.7394
>>7390
>There there. It's ok to cry it out.
This is far and above the best part of the scenario. I will bathe in holy water later but I admit it now.
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No.7398
>>7394
See how naturally it fits between sister? She's just helping her sis out in the relationship, showing her her to keep a man, and comforting her when she gets confused by her feeling.
You can picture them in bed together, the vixen holding her sister's hand and telling her it's ok, it's natural, and doesn't if feel wonderful to all three be in bed together post-sex even if you weren't the one having it?
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No.8745
>>4847
That's actually a good point.
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No.8762
>>4418
>light a fire in them, but never delude yourself by believing change is guaranteed
jesus christ I came to this board for fetish development but you guys are way too fucking real
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No.16888
>>4387
what happens if it backfires and she starts doing the same to other men?
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