04542c No.8041 [View All]
Deuteronomy 6:4 says "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One." It doesn't say he is three in one it says he is one; Jesus says in Mark 12:29 "This is the most important: 'Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One." Jesus doesn't say he is God he says God is one and he never says he is a part of it.
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9189ff No.8364
>>8075
>>8073
Well, i'm christian and i need arguments on debunking Jesus was a roman invention or Jesus never existed. Thank you.
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e3eed9 No.8365
>>8364
Because you have to prove existence, not the other way around. That’s science, christ tard
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9c90a8 No.8366
>>8364
>Jesus was a Roman invention
The Messianic prophecies in Hebrew predate Rome.
>Jesus never existed
The Bible is a historical source.
Josephus is a non-Christian historical source.
These two alone satisfy basic standards for historicity of any ancient. Secularists just apply a double standard for Christ.
>>8365
History is not a natural science goober.
We have historical documentation of the life of Jesus, the onus is on you to prove why it was all just a big conspiracy to make up this figure.
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9189ff No.8367
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61289f No.8394
>>8364
I would suggest reading pic related, and looking into the names and stories listed on the cycle unage. It's pretty established that Jesus was a person in history, just the part of miracles that he performed was hard to prove. There were also more than one claimed prophets named Jesus, but only one was crucified.
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eff222 No.8439
>>8050
>Godhead
>Implying God has DID
I never understood the confusion about the trinity/unity. I always thought it's a complete non-issue that's relevant to literally nothing whatsoever and contributes nothing to Christian faith, doctrine or belief.
Where Jesus is God or a uniquely godly man is kind of irrelevant, he remains Jesus Christ and all but some truly esoteric cults worship and revere him in a very direct way.
>>8052
>pagan holdovers
Welcome to every religion ever, mate. That's like half of practiced Christianity, 80% of Islam and present in the essential precepts of Judaism.
Genesis in it's entirety is a pagan holdover.
>>8075
Not defending anon's retardation but Christian morality IS an extension of Greco-Roman Stoicism. That aspect of Christianity distinctly and uniquely Roman which is why it's not mirrored in Judaism or Islam.
>>8073
>Jesus was not a jew
He was literally a jew, though.
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8260e4 No.8440
>>8439
>always thought it's a complete non-issue that's relevant to literally nothing whatsoever and contributes nothing to Christian faith, doctrine or belief.
Romans 10:9 NASB — that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
If you don't confess Jesus as Lord, you are not saved.
Lord here meaning God.
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9ed1bd No.8441
>>8440
>Jesus as Lord
Other than there being other interpretations of this it is, again, completely irrelevant dogma bothering in the broad scheme of things.
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8260e4 No.8442
>>8441
What is the message of Christianity? The gospel.
What is the gospel? The good news about how to be saved from damnation via Jesus.
Soteriological issues are the most urgent of all, and the Divinity of Jesus is a soteriological issue.
Contrary interpretations would see the same urgency but in the inverse: that unduly raising Jesus to the level of God constitutes a false gospel (arianism).
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9ed1bd No.8443
>>8442
Say I'm wrong but I don't think God would be terribly bothered whether you regarded Jesus as an extension of God or as the mortal son of God.
Maybe I'm thinking too protestant but it still seems like a pragmatic non-issue.
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8260e4 No.8444
>>8443
I'm saying you're wrong because it's in holy scripture like I just shared. Without understanding Jesus to be God, you will go to hell.
Read John 1 as well, "the Word was God".
There is nothing Protestant about what you're saying because it violates the reformation doctrine of Solus christus.
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9ed1bd No.8445
>>8444
>protestantism
>unified
I never said Jesus wasn't God, I believe that Jesus being God is more correct to the scriptures.
I mean, to be specific, I don't believe Jesus is God because I don't believe in God(boo, hiss, burn the apostate!) but within the context of Christian theology it certainly seems like the correct position(that Jesus is God).
That said, this is why I emphasized it having no pragmatic relevance in the broader scheme of things since, in practice, all Christians worship, revere and pray to Jesus and from the outside all it does is look like pointless division and bickering.
To me it's one thing where, were it that I was a Christian, I'd be content to let people be wrong if they chose to.
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8260e4 No.8456
>>8445
I know that's what you're saying. I'm telling you why we see it as a hill to die on.
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96c7ee No.8463
Christ already answered this
>My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me…I and the Father are one.
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57c861 No.8479
HE IS ONE
HE IS THE BREAD
OUR LORD AND GOD IS OUR ONE TRUE LOARD
fuck i hate you people and your word salad
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396d04 No.8484
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61289f No.8495
>>8439
>>Jesus was not a jew
>He was literally a jew, though.
He didn't finish as a jew, he went against what we now call Judaism.
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d29a26 No.8501
>>8495
Wow, a modern day pharisee. Sometimes I imagine our Lord in the Garden, and imagine His agony knowing that He was to suffer, and that the majority of humanity would STILL reject Him.
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3d01a6 No.8512
>>8495
"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me."
– St. John 5:46
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fcbf25 No.8534
>>8439
>He was literally a jew, though.
No he was not. A jew is one of three ethnic groups that converted to pharisaism/talmudism/judaism (three names for the same satanic religion). Jesus was a Judean, nothing to do with jews. There are no jews that descend from Judeans. Judeans were the descendants of Yehudah. Ashkenazi jews are khazars who converted to talmudism, they descend from Ashkenaz, hence the name. Sephardic jews are north African mongrels that converted to talmudism and invaded Spain and then get kicked out. Mizrahic jews are arab mongrels who converted to talmudism and stayed in the middle east. It is disgusting that so many so-called Christians spit in Jesus' face and call him a kike, repeating the lies of the people our Savior clearly called the children of Satan.
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bee397 No.8536
>>8041
>shitsrael
>christianity
pick one and only one.
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fcbf25 No.8565
>>8536
>I can't tell the difference between biblical Israel and the modern country created by kikes based on lies
You need help.
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54910c No.8567
>>8041
Gen. 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.
>our
John 3:16
For this is how God loved the world: He gave his only begotten Son.
>begotten
Gen. 2:24
Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
>become one flesh
How do you propose they do that, anon?
How do two people become one flesh?
see pic
Jesus refered to himself as the Son of God. He is his Fathers Son (Son of God) in Spirit/Mind/Logos and His Mothers Son (Son of Man) in human flesh.
Thus Two (Father & Mother) have become One (Child) which makes Three (Father, Mother, Child).
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e5afee No.8595
Fuck jesus
Fuck christians
Fuck catholicism
Fuck the bible
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a957fc No.8596
>>8595
Are you a literal baby?
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661c0d No.8605
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8260e4 No.8606
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661c0d No.8607
Yes i hope he is real.. :(
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8260e4 No.8608
>>8607
Jesus? What cause do you have to doubt it?
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661c0d No.8609
>>8608
yes i do, i lack some knowledge
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fcbf25 No.8611
>>8567
Mary is not God you fucking tard.
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661c0d No.8612
>>8611
holy virgin Mary the one who conceived Jesus well she is not a God
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8260e4 No.8613
>>8611
No I mean what are those specific causes you have to doubt?
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fcbf25 No.8615
>>8612
Mary is not holy. She is just a woman. And what does you response have to do with anything?
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8260e4 No.8616
>>8615
>>8611
Mary was made holy by the grace of God, just like you and me by salvation on account of faith.
You're making us look bad. Dont call someone you disagree with a "fucking tard".
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fcbf25 No.8634
>>8616
Being saved is not being holy. You're making yourself look bad. Don't tell people not to call fucking tards fucking tards. Anyone who claims Mary is God and thus proves the trinity is biblical is absolutely a fucking tard.
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71b73d No.8636
>>8634
Holy is not an exclusive term for Divinity. To say Mary was holy is not to necessarily say she was God, especially not the way I just did.
1 Peter 2:9 NASB — But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God’s OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
Was Mary saved? Yes, she was full of grace. What is grace? Forgiveness of sins.
Are the saved made holy? Yes, see above.
Here's another passage you should read up on
James 1:19-20 NASB — This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God.
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fcbf25 No.8643
>>8636
>Holy is not an exclusive term for Divinity
I didn't say it was. I said saved is not holy.
>To say Mary was holy is not to necessarily say she was God
I know, which is why I very clearly and explicitly asked WTF your idiotic post has to do with anything. Are you retarded?
>1 Peter 2:9 NASB
The bible wasn't written in English you knob. It doesn't say holy.
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71b73d No.8650
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2e5c3c No.8711
>>8567
Catholics belong on >>>/christian/
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54910c No.8749
>>8711
The Mother represents the human body or flesh. The body of Christ. Being born of a woman is the only way to be born into a human body upon the earth.
She's not to be prayed to; No Biblical figures are. Jesus makes it very clear to come to him with your prayers.
I'm not Catholic.
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54910c No.8750
>>8611
I said nothing about Mary.
The Mother represents the flesh or human body.
You idiots see Mother and think Mother Mary because of Catholic brainwashing.
I'm explaining the Trinity in a relateable way: The family unit.
Humans created in the image of God (Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.).
How about this, so you asses don't get tripped up again.
Spirit, Mind, Body. The three things that make one human being.
They are three seperate things but together they make a human being.
It's the same with God. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Three sperate entities that together are God.
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b02c2c No.8753
Pretty much. God can take you anywhere in the universe according to mark twain, as long as you get past saint peter
Try to stomach watching “mark twain heaven” on YouTube. I cried at the end. Jesus merely forgives your sins, god is the babino
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54910c No.8754
>>8750
The Mother represents the flesh or human body of God (Son of Man)*
since the only way to be born a man is to be born of a women.
Another example of the three distinct persons that together are God.
Galatians 4:4-6
God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!"
God (Father, Son, Spirit) sent God the Son to be born of a woman into a human body. Then God (Father, Son, Spirit) sent God the Spirit into our hearts, cryin, "Father (God the Father)".
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fcbf25 No.8762
>>8750
Oh, so you're just retarded?
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e49170 No.8777
>>8052
>Jesus was just one of the greatest prophets and teachers of all time
The main thing He taught people was that He is the son of God. When people questioned his authority to teach other things when he was young, He told them His authority came from His Father.
You cannot believe that Jesus was a great teacher if you believe his fundamental message was wrong. That's like saying someone is a good driver despite having car crashes daily. It is not logical.
I get the feeling Muslims try to argue this line because they're afraid of offending to the point where we completely refuse them audience. You don't believe that Jesus is the son of God, so the only logical option is that he's a nutter or a liar.
But calling him a liar or a nutcase would be coming on too strong, wouldn't it?
We are not going to instantly shut you out because you challenge the validity of Jesus' claims. We welcome the discussion. What DOES piss us off is using illogical reasoning, because it shows you are not interested in the truth and are wasting our time.
We must know the truth, whatever the cost and however painful it may be to accept.
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fac26c No.8792
>>8041
Father = God the creator
Son = the word
Holy Spirit = the truth
your breath and the words you speak arent separate from you. they are 1.
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fac26c No.8793
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54910c No.8842
>>8762
You have no understanding of it. All you've done is criticize others with no offerning of your own.
You don't even know! You thought He was one until now. Now you think he's two! >>8049
It's like you never even heard of the Trinity!
You think you know something but you can't articulate it. You don't know, then, fool!
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fcbf25 No.8852
>>8842
>You have no understanding of it
Of course not. Your random insane babbling is completely nonsensical. Nobody can understand it.
>You thought He was one until now.
What are you talking about? I've always known God is the duality of Father and Son. I am the one that started all this insane trinitarian shit flinging by pointing out that the bible clearly establishes God as two.
>It's like you never even heard of the Trinity!
Of course I have heard of it. That's why I have been telling you heretics that it is wrong.
>You think you know something but you can't articulate it.
What are you babbling about?
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