/8bantb/ - Random Banter

>Yes I am a lolicon

>No, I have no attraction to real children

keep telling yourself that, I buy that as much as I buy some incel claiming 3D is PD when in reality if some hot chick was splayed naked on their bed begging for the dick they wouldn't hesitate to get some.

I can totally get where you're coming from though as I went through the same thing.

you're just in the bargaining stage of grief over being a pedo, spoiler alert the next stage is depression as you realize you do actually want a lgf but you'll never ever get one and will die alone because you happened to be born too late.

I'll let you know what the acceptance stage is like once I reach the buddha tier levels of enlightenment required to shed all primal human desires.

>>2475

>everyone is like me

I've been attracted to real kids my whole life and can't fathom how someone can possibly live in denial about it. If OP didn't feel attracted to kids since his early teens he isn't a pedo, it must be something else.

>>2450

Even if you try to draw distinctions between lolicon and pedo, it'll be close to meaningless when you compare a lolicon to a pedo that doesn't act on real children.

>>2475

>I'll let you know what the acceptance stage is like once I reach the buddha tier levels of enlightenment required to shed all primal human desires.

Kind of what you have to do. You'll have to give up your romantic/sexual desires and accept it.

>Loli is a body type with proportions generally corresponding to children of the ages 7-14

So you like the body proportions of children. You are a pedophile. It doesn't matter if it's a drawing or real life, you get off to children.

It's like if someone loves oil painted pictures of landscapes and then says, "well, i only like the painted pictures, I don't like actual landscapes." It makes no sense.

>>2496

pornography is definitely an outlet for your libido, any study done on legalizing porn even including CP showcased a decline in sex crimes.

also theres no such thing as "directing your sexual energy", you can't just try and fap to gay porn constantly until you turn yourself gay.

>>2501

realizing you're interested in something and becoming interested in it due to concerted effort are two entirely different things.

as a kid when all my friends were fawning over celebrities or their teachers and had pinup girls in their rooms etc I figured I just didn't have a sex drive because I wasn't like that right up until I discovered lolicon.

Its not like I directed my sexual energy in that way and became interested in it after discovering it, I was just that way all along and totally oblivious to it.

but it still took me years to accept that I was a pedo and even longer to come to terms with the fact that my sexuality isn't confined to the realm of chinese cartoons despite how much I wanted it to be, so I totally get the rationale of trying to separate lolis from little girls as I was making those very same arguments as a coping mechanism myself.

>>2502

Have you never felt anything special when you saw little girls, something that made you realize you're attracted to them? Personally I can say that I always did, from before my teens even, and of course I knew something was odd with me. From my own experiences I have a really hard time empathizing with people who claim they never realized it until they fapped to lolicon for years and suddenly realized they liked kids, it seems so weird and unlikely, unless you lived in complete isoliation without ever seeing any kids..

>>2499

>pornography is definitely an outlet for your libido

It can be in mild cases where say a person is too busy with work for a couple months and can't invest in a real relationship.A different case is if you neglect real contact and escape to the realm of never ending porn which I'm guessing is the case for the people that consume this type of porn, such as lolicon.

>any study done on legalizing porn even including CP showcased a decline in sex crimes

Those studies aren't conclusive and don't prove that the legalization of porn was what caused the decline in sex crime.Furthermore in some studies while sex crimes declined, other forms of violent crimes rose, although again that doesn't prove causality.

>also theres no such thing as "directing your sexual energy", you can't just try and fap to gay porn constantly until you turn yourself gay

The reason why humans have a sexual drive is to seek suitable partners for reproduction,whether that's true in today's society is a different topic but the origin of this drive is still "natural". Now the question is why people unconsciously feels this impulse towards depictions of children,or animals or whatever fetish you can think of.That's my point and obviously you can't really control this urge because is an impulse.

>>2500

>But it still strongly correlates with decreased sexual activity, consensual or otherwise.

Yes but also a deterioration of mental health that can lead to severe mental illness.

>>2508

why can't it be applied universally?

nothing about a furfags brain changes upon seeing furry porn for the first time any more than a heterosexual man in a society of only men has their brain change the moment they see a woman for the first time, theres something innate in their mind that predisposes them to finding those things sexually attractive from the get go.

its like someone being colorblind and not knowing it until they take a test, the test didn't suddenly change their brain to make them colorblind the moment they took it, the test simply revealed what was always there.

>>2510

>everyone is like me

I wasn't raised where little girls were wearing crop tops and yoga pants like you see so much today and we were highly sexually segregated so I didn't see much of them at all so yeah lolicon was the first opportunity in my life to see them in a sexual light.

>>2511

you're obviously taking this completely unverifiable nofap stance towards porn in general where you'll take a study confirming a 1% increase in testosterone while not fapping as gospel truth that fapping is bad but any study showcasing the benefits of porn is totally disregarded.

when it comes to a sexual drive towards children it could be argued to be an evolutionary benefit, if you can pick out who the most attractive and suitable mates will be before other men do then you can secure the top tier woman for yourself before theres tons of competition for them.

of course evolution is irrelevant now when it comes to humanity but like you said the origin is still "natural".

>>2450

Loli can range from pedo to hebe to straight up fiction. It's up to the proportions and intent of the drawing. Something like toddlercon is always 100% pedo while a lot of loli is simply too anatomically innacurate to consider it pedo. Real children are boring and potato-shaped while plenty of loli is essentially a scaled down skinny woman with a bigger head.

>>2517

Just over a hundred years ago it was totally normal for girls to be married and pregnant in their early teens. Presumably this is to avoid the many issues that come about when older people, particularly older women, have kids. Society was set up for really young wives and with really bad infant mortality is seems to have worked. I don't consider myself to be a pedo at all but I can't just pretend that our history didn't happen.

However IMO with the drastic shift in how well-educated people are supposed to be, how difficult it is to get property since (((they))) own it all, and an easier, though more complex life making people take much longer to become resposible, the reasonable starting age for kids had shifted forward by about a decade. It's actively disruptive and unusual to have a 14 year old wife now and western society can't handle it (totally normal for Muslims though).

Human evolution is moving away from obvious favorable traits like good vision and now things like genetic disease resistance and life expectancy are important since you can't medically compensate for those. As we see life expectancy getting pushed further and further I think we'll see people having kids in their late 30s, early 40s as being young. Perhaps in 1000 years, people will call you a pedophile for being attracted to someone that's 25.

I largely agree with your post just wanted to add my 2 cents.

>>2521

except trying to fix what isn't broken has just lead to it being broken, a society that values a greater education and career over having kids is a society where a family raises one retard baby they had at 40 right before its too late and then dies off within a few generations.

human evolution in a cultural sense is moving away from the western and towards the islamic because they're the ones that can actually replace themselves and then some, they will be the ones taking over everything the west has built when the crippled populace in the west is forced into mass immigration to keep their countries from falling apart.

>>2523

you're just failing to explain why a furfags sexuality is any less innate than a typical heterosexual mans, theres no way to train anyone to be a furry like pavlovians dogs were trained because theres something in the brain that innately exists only in some people for them to be a furry, just like being gay or a pedo.

when it comes to the evolutionary benefits of pedophilia you don't have to be actively trying to impregnate a girl thats hasn't even hit puberty yet to secure them as your life partner but you do need to actually be attracted to them to consider it in the first place unless we're talking about arranged marriages which are fake and gay and I think we can all agree we're better off without them.

>>2523

Regular hentai is usually not very accurate either, and tons of yaoi artists seem to draw really big hands and long necks for some reason. It's because of the huge variation in style between artists that I say not all loli actually looks childlike. Compare your pic to the post under it. The first has accurate fat distrubution and limb proportion, which is not surprising considering the pizza joke. The post under more resembles a ball jointed doll, which itself already has fictional proportions. It's going to get called pedo by 95% of the population but it's more like introductory pedo or just hebe. These distinctions are not usually worth making but they could be important in a case like if someone in the UK or a southern state wants to import a sex doll. The market for those is likely going to get larger so the issue will become more important.

I'm wondering if humans will be able to mutate enough times to avoid medical problems with 30+ year old pregnancies. Between abortions and gene editing there are certainly ways of raising humans that are more likely to stay fertile longer. The only thing that's going to stop it is if the economic migration continues unchecked and the west is genetically replaced.

>>2531

theres few artists that can compare to alkemanubis' lolis, hes clearly not afraid to use reference material for his work like any proper artist should.

thats why so many western artists are shit when it comes to lolis, the pedo hysteria in the west has lead them to shun proper techniques in favor of referencing fucking power puff girls and churning out trash calarts porn.

>>2537

well obviously in a world without staplers you aren't going to have some guy fantasizing about grinding his dick on a stapler, but the thing in his brain that lead him to that are definitely outside of his control and you aren't going to get just anyone to be aroused by fucking a stapler so its an innate feature of the stapler fucker.

you say I have no proof but you're the one making the extraordinary claim that these peoples sexualities are all nuture not nature and if we treated everyone exactly the same then the outcome of their fetishes would all be exactly the same when it just seems self evident thats not the case.

is it not just common sense to you that these people are simply predisposed to these fetishes?

like just because someone has a fetish for whips doesn't mean they had to acquire that fetish since you can't be born with a knowledge of whips.

Its innate because you can be born with a sadistic streak that leads you to get off to whipping girls rather than fucking them even though its not sexual and so your fetish for whips is just a manifestation of an innate part of yourself that can't be acquired by just anyone.

>>2545

well if nobody that wants to fuck a stapler is predisposed to it in any way that means anyone can want it, so it comes down to the typical argument against homosexuality being a choice where I can just ask for you to make a concerted effort to find stapler fucking sexually arousing and then get back to me when you do even though we both know you can't because its not some arbitrary thing anyone can just acquire an arousal for.

oh and saying you can lose your attraction to a particular thing is like saying you can lose your sense of humor because being told the same joke over and over isn't as funny as the first time, your attraction doesn't change its just the novelty of the particular thing that wears off.

>>2549

people with innate sexual flexibility are just called pansexual, you can keep saying sexuality can be altered by the environment all you want but you still haven't shown how thats the case and I just don't buy it.

you'd think if that were true in someone then there would be success stories in shocking the gay right out of people in conversion clinics but all they ended up with is lispy effeminate queers lying about jesus taking the gay away so they can stop their brain from being fried to the point of being lobotomized.

I don't get where you're coming from on the fading attraction thing either unless you're talking about not being able to get hard to a favorite doujin anymore after having fapped to it for the millionth time which is purely a lack of novelty making it not interesting enough to be exciting anymore rather than your sexual interests changing.

maybe its just me but I've always used the same keywords in porn searches and never felt like they weren't doing it for me anymore so my attractions have never faded.

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>>2556

Complete freedom is impossible. My freedom to kill you conflicts with your freedom to live. Your freedom to silence me conflicts with my freedom to speak.

In an ideal world, 8chan would have an infinite capacity and no threads would ever die, meaning it would be impossible to slide a board out of existence. Also, it would be easy to find threads that interest you (like with a filter in addition to the catalog search). But that's not the way it is. The boards can only hold so many threads at once. In this sense, freedom of expression on any given board has a hard limit and as far as the top-level of threads go, speech is a zero-sum game.

You claim to care about freedom of speech, but you're actively hogging a huge portion of the space here by shitposting. Since we can't have absolute free speech, we have to settle for something else. The second best thing we can do is asymptotically increase the amount of free speech toward the limit. Within the existing restrictions, a mathematically ideal board would be filled with threads that accrue posts and viewers equally, until they hit the post limit, and only then would new threads would appear. That's not ideal for a thriving community; I'm just providing it as a point of contrast to what has been happening. Instead of approaching that, we're almost at the opposite extreme right now. We can't have complete freedom, so if you care about it you should try for the next best thing: more than we currently have.

Aha! That's exactly what you're after is it not? You're trying to make a statement. You're sacrificing some freedom now for more freedom later. But here's the problem with that. According to your own valuation of freedom, your actions only become justified if your opponents cave in to you, otherwise all you accomplished was to restrict freedom of speech. Your victory is not guaranteed. In fact it's so unlikely that you might as well write off the possibility entirely. Probabilistically the expected result here is no change in moderation, while you have wasted however much time people could have used to discuss the board topic. What you are doing is at complete odds with your stated goals.

But hold on, it gets even worse than this. This is infinitechan. The site's gimmick is your ability to create your own boards. If you are displeased with how a board pursues free speech (or doesn't), you are free to make your own board. You are free to speak there instead. You are free to shill that board on the other boards. You are free to put your ideas into action and make a better board. You are free to force a board's hand by providing stiff competition in the marketplace of marketplaces of ideas. You can protest board moderation (and even create pressure for change) without infringing on anybody's ability to speak whatsoever. You can do all of this purely via creative action.

But you don't. With the unfettered ability to create at your fingertips, you instead destroy. Because deep down you fear that you don't have it in you to create anything, and you're jealous of the people who are unafraid. All you do is tear down other people. You invade existing spaces to shut down discussions because it's the only way you feel you can affect anything. But you're wrong. We all have the ability to create. You certainly have the energy. If you really are all bleeding heart about free speech, go create your own boards for whatever you want. It doesn't matter if they're shitty. They'll be yours. And if they're shitty, just keep posting content, and post better content than before.

If you don't actually give a damn about free speech, drop the pretense. Nobody is buying it, except whatever people you've fooled into thinking it's a wise use of their time to help you. All you're actually doing is disrupting the site. Own your shit. Maybe someday you'll actually be good at fucking with people. Maybe try for something specific, like /sp/ and gets. Right now you're a tiresome annoyance that goes away very quickly.

>>2557

Here's where cancer like you errs:

You bring "content" to places that do not wish to see your "content." Despite the users telling you to fuck off, and the moderation banning you, you return over and over again. You continue to dilute every community you're in until the signal-to-noise ratio of that community renders it useless and real users who think, effortpost and create OC replicate an internet version of white flight to fresh grounds that you faggots haven't found. You're shitskins, locusts and cancer, and you can't understand that. You post at higher frequencies, with poorer posts, and you drown out all oc.

I'm an oldfag from 2004 /b/, when /b/ was ACTUALLY good, and you faggots started coming in and spamming the entire board to uselessness. So we left for greener pastures by 2007. Now here we are again, except instead of retarded former goon moderators, we have actual anons as our mod staff, so you get banned over and over again.

We. Don't. Want. You. Here.

At all.

Your autism won't permit you to understand that, so you return perennially like any other invasive species. You attacked /tg/ for literally no reason and almost destroyed that community, when they were harmless autists who just wanted to discuss their hobby.

Then you think "oh I got a reply from this guy tee hee I got a reaction so therefore I win." That's not the point, this post isn't even for you, this post is for all the anons and lurkers who are on their computers, phones and tablets, reading this, who hate you fags with the passion of a million suns because THEY just want to discuss THEIR hobby, which here happens to be politics, and instead of that, they see constant attacks by intx autists with shit megaphones who are trying to ruin their good time because you fags don't like what we like.

Yet, you're parasites, you can generate no OC of your own, and you are every single thing you accuse the rest of us of being. I can only hope that eventually the autism bux run out and you starve to death, alone and unloved, so the rest of us can be finally free to pursue our own interests without your interference. What's even WORSE is that you've been manipulated by jews to think that this is all your own idea.

>>2558

I'll admit that my fear is irrational when we're living in a fairy land of happy-go lucky cyborgs who golf on asteroid field colonies and beautiful waterfalls of never-ending food. As of this moment, that's not real. What is real is that the woods in the back of my house are dying, my cousins are getting cancer from leached carcinogenic materials in Northern Alberta, and I'm not going to put up with this shit anymore.

I couldn't give a damn if I'm having an emotional, knee-jerk reaction to your name calling right now. You want progress, yorozaposter? Then go and live in a reality where time is linear to begin with. What are you trying to make better, hm? Your sweet, perfect little life? Where's your sweet fossil fuel going to come from, huh? Titan? Or, no… let me be a snide asshole here and assume that the all mighty progress, your FUCKING deity, is going to find a super-dee-duper fix-it to the sinking ship of today's world? You haven't been to the Pacific Garbage Patch, have you? I've seen what unbridled and arrogant hubris has done to the wilderness, and human communities.

Get off your high horse, and smell the roses. I'm sick of your arrogance, your tut-tut at every insane rambling I make. You should have just come out and told me to go fuck myself while you had the chance, but nope, you had to conceal it with every inch of logic in your pea-sized brain. Passive aggressiveness certainly isn't your strongsuit.

While I'm at it, I should probably quit this site. Most of you hate me for my beliefs (which is fine, go right ahead), and we don't really have anything in common anymore. Have fun using me as a hilarious comparison to any possible future members who have similar beliefs. Can't blame any of you, I'm not good at explanations anyway. So bye bye, forever. (le 8gag may may inb4 he cums back in two weeks he he!!!!!). Enjoy the circlejerk before this shitstain of an internet cult dies. I'm sure the comparisons to fundamentalist Christians and the Unabombers will be hilarious to the 11 of you who come on here enough.

>>2559

i don't know much about this or other falling sky theories. notice engineering of such conspiracies is always designed as mind brexiting adventure similar to architecture of so called upside down human in-civilization or un-civilization. You know you being part of this human civilization are expected to be living your life as if you're intelligent life who knows what is the meaning of life, meaning of your existence, justify all your activities and actions according to pros and cons benefiting the networks you belong: family, neighborhood, community, nation, military, government, religion, humanity, political party, etc.. On the other hand all those networks you belong or identify with have excepted themselves from such requirement. They are being treated as if they don't need to explain themselves, they are magic alive treasure, axiom, but they haven't been born. It's rapture. According to law even Microsoft or Wal-Mart are US persons being awarded similar rights as any other walking breathing american citizen. So that is very interesting targeting weapon of mass destruction colored with orange colors. You know it's the running with the invisible bulls and bullies. In other words there is no difference between theory about chemtrails or any other theory no matter how mainstream and how widely accepted it is. They all approach something incomprehensible, unclear, etc… and label it "explaining", creating and defining something that is not there. So it's an alchemy of object oriented programming con. If man with tanned hats can project scary sounds into your closet it doesn't mean the monsters live there, but you would have no options to resist non violently or violently such conclusion by your beautiful mind once faced with such situation. So average human is so lobotomized they are expected to live their existence in one dimension. Public education is designed as second dimension - that includes all higher education even most prestigious ivy league universities teach nothing, but cheap trick or treating. Uber alles ruling caste of red, white and blue axis of Dr Evil CIA lemon party gestapo appears as if they are in fact from even higher dimension - three dimensional world. And we are not talking about even higher dimensions where borats, shit martini stirrers, jason bournes, james bonds, etc operate make believe rainbow networks roaming the world as alibaba with 40 different passports in their back pockets while constantly squealing "open sesame". They know how to appear as normal, gentle, etc in comparison to all animal monsters that surround you from the moment you were born.

>>2560

I really fucking hate commies.

I don't care what colour you are. I don't care where you're from. I don't care what you do for a living. I don't care what class you are, how you dress, what you smoke or drink or who you know or whom you've fucked.

I hate you all. I hate every last living, breathing, snot and feces producing, promiscuously copulating, kike-loving, opinionated one of you. From right here in Toronto right around the planet and back, coast to coast, nationwide and internationally. Every. Single. Last. One. Of. You.

Fuck love. Fuck your insipid grasping at some abstract concept of multiculturalism and irational ideas, fumbling around in the crowd trying to find some poor sap to preach your ideas of globalism to.

Fuck lust, too. Fuck you all, from the lowlife dirtbags that think dressing up like Russians and waving the little commie flag and talking about the worker's party is a pick-up line, to the sniveling of the desperate 'nice guys' who never get the girl due to a total lack of testosterone grown stones.

Fuck you all, from the crazy, under dressed sluts that judge a persons character by the price of their shirt, right down to the fat chicks that think communism is enough.

Fuck your culture. Fuck your race. Fuck your sense of entitlement. Fuck your sense of uniqueness. Fuck you all for the belief that you have something unique and interesting to contribute. Fuck you for filling the internet with your useless garbage. Fuck your blogs, your wikis, your forums. Fuck your "roasting". And most of all, fuck whatever you believe. It's all shit. Fuck it.

Fuck your complaints. Fuck your addictions. Fuck your dependencies. Fuck your pain. Fuck your tears. Fuck selling whatever it is you sell. Fuck your manipulation of others. Fuck movies. Fuck fucking. Fuck everything you own. Fuck your allergies. Fuck your stupid commons sense. Fuck your spelling and fuck your lack of education, or your ignorance, whatever is applicable.

I don't give a fuck. Shut the fuck up about it.

As far as your brain is concerned, jerking off to a fictional depiction of a child is the same as jerking off to a photograph or a movie. It's not the same morally since cp really is child exploitation, but it's just as destructive for your mental and sexual health. After all, a photograph is also merely a picture, don't you think ?

This is coming from a former lolicon. It just isn't healthy, and it never is. Everyone has desires like that, true, but you should only seek relationships with adult women, or maybe willing teens.

>>2574

If you're bent on never having any relationship with the opposite sex ever, then fine. But hear me out, you're teaching your brain to be attracted to depiction of children that are not even close to looking like real children. From a societal point of view, this is horribly destructive, and from a psychological point of view, it turns you into some kind of inhuman mutant, possibly damaging your libido forever.

But then again, if you don't care about society at all (including your own group, whites, gays, niggers, jews, whatever), then I guess it's okay. You're merely participating in the collapse by giving up all hope of ever leaving something after your death.

>>2576

When I was a little boy i was a lot shorter and weaker than the other boys

My Aunt (6 years older than me) was a tall girl and pretty Tomboyish. Like she didnt dress like a Tomboy. she dressed very feminine and wore makeup and dresses but she acted like "one of the guys"

She used to tease me all the time and was the only girl to ever be really physical with me. A common thing she used to do was when she saw me was to take me to the ground and tickle me until i started crying or id have to say she was beautiful or she was my master.

She would also commonly hug me so tight and pick me up and swing me around. my face used to mash up against her chest. she was flat chested for a really long time then when i was about 9 and she was about 15 she basically grew C cups overnight but still would do this to me and kept her same personality.

Around this time she kinda started hanging around me more because since she got tits every guy that even looked her way was trying to date her and she was really annoyed that everyone was just wanting to talk to her since she got tits. But she always told me she loved me and during sleepovers would force me to sleep on the bottom and she would spoon me. sometimes id try to get up to pee and she would tell me to go back to sleep because she was still sleeping or she would slap me a bit. So id lay still on my back and force myself to sleep until she got up. A lot of things i didnt like that she would do to me but it wasnt all bad. I was a boy and really lucky because she let me see her in her underwear all the time. She even took her bras off in front of me. I mean she was never topless completely but i did catch glimpes of her now and then. Plus her boobs would be in my face when we slept

She lost her virginity at 13. she always told me personal things. i was kinda like her best gay friend cept im not gay and she was my Aunt. During her teens she was really annoyed at boys. she used to always tell me i was the only boy she could trust and then kiss me. After a lot of bad boyfriends she went lesbian for a while in her early 20s before finding a good man and marrying him

I stoped talking to her in her 20s due to she went to college but i always had a special place in my heart for her. tbh i had kind of a crush on my Aunt. now Im a 25yo virgin and get off on girls who are a bit pushy

I hope i find a gf soon and have sex. Im going to have her get me in a headlock with a tank top on with no bra and push my face into her chest just like my Aunt used to do to me. cept this time ill get to jerk off since she is my gf

>>2579

It seems to me you're under-thinking it, and are reducing this to an issue of moderation, when it seems to be something much less simple to perceive or control. No doubt rulecucks are a problem in many aspects of imageboard life, but probably not substantially as far as OC production goes, because the individual moderators never actually get to witness the potential OC itself to censor it. What I want to say is the ones who stifle OC production are not the rulecucks in our boards, but the rulecucks in our minds.

Really it seems as though potential OC is ubiquitous. It is all around us, probably even in this thread. But the userbase does not pick up on its presence because the userbase is in the wrong state of mind. The userbase needs to be unattached from its various individuals identities in order to truly perceive these instances of OC and thus produce them. Otherwise the userbase gets distracted by more worldly concerns and will miss on the subtle opportunities that call it to become awake and begin with the production of OC. Truly, only a fraction of a communities total userbase will produce OC on a board because not everyone can even see it. The group that can is the "perceptive" group, and the rest is the "latent" group. The latent group may even inadvertently produce potential OC or reward its production, but does not perceive potential OC, and thus does not produce OC. It simply "is" and does not work in unison as the perceptive userbase does. Because the latent group is so uncoordinated, OC production by them is always low, and at times members of the latent group can even stop OC production to calm their individual egos.

I don't know exactly how to describe it, but producing OC isn't something that a single person can do. It's the groups perception that defines OC, and only through definition does it live. At least a few people must be in tune for OC to be produced.

Thus the quality of the userbase in any place on the internet can be defied by it's capacity to perceive and act upon potential OC. I'll call this the "OC intelligence" of that userbase. Etiquette actively stifles OC intelligence, through burdening individuals with irrational concerns of their ego, it slowly turns more of the perceptive userbase into the latent userbase as it gains importance there. It grows like a tumor until the etiquette has completely blinded a once healthy community to potential OC. The userbase is then scattered from one mostly perceptive mass to many sequestered egos, and so becomes unable to function as a reliable producer of OC.

Meanwhile it's not just the perception of OC that is important, but also the "reward" for producing it. When OC is noticed and memes get replicated, the producers of potential OC are encouraged to produce more. Of course, if potential OC is largely ignored, as it slowly becomes when imageboard shifts in tone to becoming more serious in nature, then it is produced less. When the reward is produced more frequently, the ego of the individual potential OC producers is one with the ego of the userbase, and so becomes perceptive, and like chariots of fire the potential OC matures decisively into OC within that community.

And so there are essentially two hands to OC production. The hand that creates, and the hand that perceives. Neither one plays more or less role than the other, only when both are in harmony is OC produced. Both hands can become tarnished by etiquette and thus be made unable to produce OC.

To improve the OC intelligence of a userbase is a simple matter of positive reinforcement at its core, but to know the conditions by which that positive reinforcement can be coaxed into production by the ever-growing latent userbase is more difficult to grasp. That is to say, to know the nature of OC intelligence is complex. Imageboards have an advantage in that their anonymity reduces the consequence of breaking etiquette, but at the same time sadly it seems as though etiquette can creep even into these places and stifle the creative mind of its userbase.

>>2581

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish but it depends on what America achieves in their plans for world dominance. You keep it clean and tidy but after a while you get lazy and make a mess everywhere. Backups are good. Some people remember it only when HDD crashes. A man of European ancestry puts a paper on a car - it's floaty and I see myself as 16 in a hallway in love with a girl like Allison Reynolds. Teenage rebellion is a myth pushed on parents starting in the 50's, and it's a self-fulfilling prophecy because it preaches that they should never have a strong hand in raising their children. A lot of kids are just doing this kind of thing because they simply don't know any better, not because they're rebelling against their parents. Raise your children with a proper set of morals for them to understand the world with and they won't have to flounder without guidance in their teenage years making a fool of themselves. I might go scouring for free furniture, fix it up and try and flip it on ebay. Dive in and bring back what you find. Reading in bed right before you are about to sleep is also good for remembering (10-20 minutes of reading). You must take out the funny bone without touching the sides. The male body is more than willing to sacrifice itself for the slightest chance of impregnating some female. It's like these faggots who simply won't understand the legal implications of 19th Amendment prohibition, and want to undermine it's disenfranchised constitionality! The fact the transgendered people that get sex changes exist should imply that bodies do imply gender. Yes, if you get up off your ass, eat more fibre and don't spend 30 minutes on the toilet to take a 30 second dump. I can improve anything about myself that it's changeable, but I cannot change those around me for those that I can't. To impregnate her with my seed, so that my genes will live on after I die - sort of like nature's way of reincarnation. Just don't get too emotional about it, neither don't get too excited or too furious. The logical thing to do would be to give back the medal. So, if you want to be to be truly fulfilled during the short time you exist in this universe, I would recommend you seek to know yourself and who you are, and resolve to undertake a personal journey to that end. And may you find enlightenment along the way.

>>2575

>>2574

you both just spout off unproven pseudoscience about how sexuality works with not a single fact to back it up, do you expect people to just believe the shit you're saying as long as you assert that its true over and over?

>>2584

you keep asserting that sexuality can be altered by the environment when theres no reason to believe that to be the case, anyone with a fetish for something nonsexual can be explained by innate characteristics in their mind that lead them to find it arousing like a sadist having a fetish for whipping.

>>2596

whips are just a random example of something completely unrelated to sex that sadists have fetishized because they find inflicting pain sexually arousing.

that study is totally irrelevant, of course if you give someone a distinct smell during sexual encounters and then they smell it later in a non-sexual setting they might remember that sexual encounter and get aroused thinking about it, that has nothing to do with the environment changing someones sexuality to find something attractive that they didn't before or vice versa.

theres been tons of experimentation on gays to try and change their sexuality and it never worked, it doesn't matter how many times you inflict pain on someone for their dick getting hard to gay porn you will never make them heterosexual because your environment can't effect your sexuality.

this position you're taking on this really just sounds like a self serving distancing of yourself from what you're sexually attracted to, like if you can somehow make yourself the victim of your environment for why you are the way you are then you'll feel better about it rather than having to accept that being a pedophile is just innately a part of who you are and you can't blame anyone but yourself for being aroused by pictures of naked kids.

>>2450

It's cartoons. Drawn images. Jesus on a fucking cross, how retarded do you have to be to come up with this line of reasoning? No, some lines drawn on paper are not the same as wanting to fuck a kid.

>>2609

something in the environment triggering a memory that arouses you and something in the environment altering your sexuality are two entirely different things and I think you're just being intentionally dense at this point to not understand that.

the difference in nature vs nuture is that you have nothing to blame but yourself if you believe that sexuality is innate, but you can blame something else if you believe your sexuality can be altered by outside forces.

like the people who say imageboards turned them into fags because of all the trap posting to rationalize to themselves that they'd be a perfectly normal straight guy if it weren't for imageboards corrupting them.

well in reality they were faggots all along and just didn't know it until they came across trap threads on imageboards, I've been exposed to the exact same shit for the same amount of time as them and it didn't turn me gay so clearly its not an environmental influence that drove them to find it attractive or else I would too.

>>2450

pedophiles did nothing wrong.

>>2614

oh the irony of trying to call me out over an anecdote when you use your own anecdote in the very same post, just because you don't blame yourself for being the way you are doesn't mean everyone is the same way, theres plenty of religious gays that flagellate themselves every time they have an indecent thought about man ass,

just because you can't help something doesn't stop you from blaming yourself for it and yeah people who think the environment alters their sexuality might blame themselves for the environment they choose to be in like an imageboard full of trap posters but that doesn't change the fact that using that mindset is the only way to blame something besides yourself for being the way you are.

if you think sexuality is innate then theres no way for you to blame anyone but yourself for the way you are so I think your position on this topic is biased by you wanting something else to blame for your pedophilia other than yourself.

>>2450

Not reading all that but i don't consider DRAWINGS to equal pedophilia as there are no kids involved. There is no-one potentially getting exploited or harmed.

But lolicon has obvious similarities to pedophilia as 1 depicts sexualizing kids and the other actually sexualizes kids but they are not the same no.

Some lolicon is considered illegal in the US, it depends on the exact nature of the drawings and the state. But there has been very few prosecutions over it.

>>2485

<"well, i only like the painted pictures, I don't like actual landscapes."

>It makes no sense.

yeah, it does, you can be someone who appreciates artistry but not nature, you could be someone with fucking allergies. Similarly, someone claiming to like loli but not little girls may not be attracted to the faces or personalities of little girls but just the body type

>>2634

>someone claiming to like loli but not little girls may not be attracted to the faces or personalities of little girls but just the body type

So you are attracted to little girls but aren't at the same time. Is this some kind of paradox?

>>2639

It wasn't me that was banned, I don't have any of the sfms with kids that I saw other people getting banned for posting and wouldn't know where to get them anyway since that example I just got from /v/ but if you manage to find any you can post them and see for yourself. I just don't know how someone could argue that its not pedo because its not real if they can't even tell if its real or not.

Depends on the artist.

I know for a fact that MANY a western cub-artist is in the KNOW about how things go down in oniontown- and it's no secret that many artists- due to the ranpant LGBTQWTFBBQ in that area- are full of legit pedo's some inserting clear iconography, the scenarios, dialogue, or just outright dropping the pedo spirals in there. There's a certain energy behind it, you see.

In japan, it's difficult, they're relaxed about that sort of thing and open to the idea of if "she's able, she's able" through their mediums- only a few manga/doujin artists to list may be in the KNOW- and that's down to the low AOC and the fact that asian pizza puts most western pizza, bar germany and the reichsphere to shame, america is just all incest and shit prep/grooming but HOLY FUCK asia is like the ultimate redpill on pizzatime- I guarantee you- if you've seen it- you'd be double take to check if you're not watching some SFM 3d animation- wew.

>>2645

I do remember reading one H-mango set off a red flag, but thanks to quarantine there’s no fucking way in hell I could hope to keep up with the e/ex hentai uploads.

Some of their stuff does mirror real situations though, bordering uncannily realistic- stuff with compensated dating, and that one with the gas leak fraud come to mind.

In furry cub shit you can easily suss who has pedo energy/is one of those wolf in sheep’s clothing pedoyiffer virutue signallers, it’s as easy as looking for older deleted artwork, if they did scat, guro, piss, abuse, cannibalism, whether they’re openly gay, trans, and have heavy social media presence and may/may not be Jewish. You’d be shocked at what you can find when you know the signs, certain incest content that features generational inbreeding, Americanised settings, slavery, or if they went by other names when they did that content- some bordering parrakrl to what you’d expect a moloch cultist to be into. Choice of animal also comes into play- There’s a reason why edis-krad became Arkaid and went from cat to trans-cab it.

On that note, you’ll even find bugchasers in the mix. I recall softpaw magazine- thing was riddled with suspect content in retrospect- especially the stuff with the Jewish bat-boy.

On the hilarious subject of furry Jews I am reminded of the times putting in Israel/Jewish shit yielding me only the most fucked up borderline looks like it came out of the warp fursonas- a bat shemale comes to mind from long ago.

In regards to western artists, it’s there too- Madoc is on the fence because of that weird Christian sex cult denomination thing- I’ve not looked at this in a while, so that’s all I can remember now.

Now that I think about it, this thread reminded me of the toothbrush /a/ incest anon that did a word-word recreation of the pedo’s handbook Using the monigatari scene as a basis and managed to groom and fuck his sister- And another from /a/- wonder how that’s been faring?

>>2652

fuuuck. She has a nice body

heterosexuality is lolicon

if you want people to swear off liking cute things, you'll need to make them swear off women altogether

>>2660

can you post more pics of her, pl0x?

>>2661

Sure why not, I'll just make a different thread for it so the mods don't delete this one entirely like the lazy faggots they are.

>>2665

>>2660

>Its just funny to think of all the pedos in denial fapping to his drawings totally oblivious to their inspiration.

People who jack it to UAB know of the source and still hold the view they aren't pedo.

>>2675

I don't blame you, better safe than sorry and all that especially if you're into older girls too. But downloading child modelling sets on the dark web or whatever is supporting the industry about as much as using the pirate bay to pirate movies is supporting the movie industry.

>>2679

Well thats debatable, personally I've never paid for a movie I've pirated so if anything its hurt the sales they could have gotten from me.

>>2681

>piracy is a net gain

Then why do Hollywood jews perpetually attack TPB and other torrent sites?

>>2681

I'm sure I would have, all the DVDs I have are years old because I stopped supporting the movie industry after piracy took off. I guess I could be alone in that but I just don't see why someone whos already seen a movie would then go and buy it just to have it sit on a shelf.

Games on the other hand are a different story with multiplayer and constant updates and other conveniences that piracy can't deliver in the same way that actually paying for the product can so yeah when it comes to that I've pirated games I wasn't terribly interested in and ended up buying them later because they surprised me in how good they were.

>>2686

I hate to break it to you anon but all little girls are miniature women and liking them makes you a pedo, its only hebe if shes going through puberty with budding breasts and all that and they never did sets of laurab at that age.

I used to know someone that sent me burned DVD copies of pirated movies with a case that had a printed cover on it and everything so piracy can still give you a physical copy if you really want it.

>>2694

Well in the real world nothing is perfect, you sound like you've just been spoiled by the fact that 2D is made in such a way to always be appealing and totally free of flaws. Personally I just find that predictable and boring after awhile and a little asymmetry here or crooked teeth there adds character that you almost never see in anime. Also nobody is expecting you to get a boner looking at girls in burqas, of course there has to be a sexual element in order to be a turn on.

>>2700

>having a forehead fetish

Well thats a new one, I'd ask what on earth makes foreheads turn you on but trying to explain fetishes is usually a futile effort. I have a thing for armpits myself but being a pedo they of course can't be granny armpits with fucking 5 o'clock shadow like sandpaper and even worse unshaved. Pubic hair is bad enough let alone hairy pits or legs, theres a reason women try and imitate little girls by shaving their entire bodies and deaging their face with makeup, they all know they age like milk and are past their expiry date.

Welp funs over folks, with that blazing fast 2 hour response time its a good thing this site isn't being used as a place to trade CP yet.

>>2630

>That just means it's not legally CP

I understand why you mean and that's why i said it has similarities to pedophilia paraphernalia, but i do consider it harmless, yes even photorealistic fiction.

Pedo's need to get off just like anyone else, they cannot turn off their sex drive apart from being castrated, and getting off to drawings does not potentially harm kids like real cp can.

Equalise drawings as real irl CP, consider it as pedophilia, ban and prosecute for it and there will be no incentive to choose to fap over drawings, they'll just go after real cp which is potentially much more harmful.

>>2750

from the photo realistic stuff i've seen i could still tell they weren't real kids but i haven't seen much of it and not for a while either. is this stuff now indistinguishable from real cp?

i suppose there are arguments to ban it as you describe but where do you draw the line as to what is photorealistic or not?

i still say it's not as harmful as real cp as obviously no kids are involved, and given the choice i'd rather pedo's fap to it than real cp.

this site is shit, captcha on be default even tho no spam, constant error messages slow response and have to manually refresh to see your post = gay.

>>2752

What do you think happens differently when a pedo faps to CP instead?

>>2756

Pedo's who fap to cp after a while will want new material to fap over and this can encourage the production of new cp

Pedo's can also start trading cp which encourages more cp production.

Pedo's might pay for cp which may also encourage more cp production

Pedo's sometimes, free or paid for, watch live streams of cp which is again new cp being produced.

Wanting something new is what most of us do regarding fap material, we don't fap over the same stuff forever.

I'm not saying in all these cases that kids are harmed, but they certainly haven't given informed consent to be in online porn (apart from camwhores) and it's possible they are harmed.

>>2759

Yes i understand what you're saying about the photorealistic stuff being a problem, i acknowledge your points, but i still say -if- it can be determined that it isn't real then it's better than real cp. But like you say determining if it's real might be difficult.

Yes this site irritates me lol, slow, random error messages, the need to F5, and yes a captcha when there's no spam problem is just lazy admin.

>>2757

You say that like CP is on some kind of bartering system and isn't just given away for free in quantities that no one man could ever fap to in his entire life.

>>2759

I still believe photorealistic fake cp is better than real cp. But yes it may cause problems with verifying if it's real or not.

About this site, i just typed in a fairly lengthy reply to you, clicked "new reply" and was sent to a 404 page, pressed back and the whole text was gone lol. And it's slow, needs F5'ing, and a captcha with no spam is just lazy can't be bothered admin.

>>2761

Frame it anyway you want. If people didn't fap over online cp, there would be no online cp being made, demand creates supply etc.

>>2759

jesus this place is fucked. it's posted a reply when it twice errored and now there's 2 replies to you >>2760 and 2762 idk may be it's my browser or something or my settings or extensions or my vpn slowing it down i have trouble elsewhere though

will this work?

>>2759

Psych doctors are legally required to report pedos to the police so no pedo in their right mind would ever seek help from one of them. They might as well go out and seduce some girl at that point, the risk is the same and they get more out of it than someone pretending to give a shit about them for money.

>>2764

fuuuuck i'm not doing well at this, that should be

"i DON'T have trouble elsewhere though"

>>2763

Guess I'll call up my local pizza place and start furiously masturbating so they understand the demand for a pizza and deliver me one.

>>2765

Doesn't happen in my country if a pedo only expresses pedo thoughts and desires.

>>2769

yes ordering pizza creates demand, if no one ordered pizza there would be no pizza shops. it's not a difficult concept tbh.

>>2770

You never talked about ordering anything, you said masturbating creates a demand for something. So obviously if I'm fapping to pictures of pizzas that should create a demand for more pizza right?

>>2768

Do you pay for porn?

>>2771

See >>2757

Yes fapping to cp can create demand for new cp.

Why do you think there's so much porn about? For the lulz?

It's because people use it and want more.

>>2774

Fapping to CP is inconsequential to new CP being created in the same way that fapping to pizzas is inconsequential to new pizzas being created. If 100x as many people fapped to a picture of a pizza tomorrow the number of pizzas created wouldn't change to meet that number in the same way that if 100x as many people fapped to CP tomorrow the amount of CP created wouldn't change. People aren't going out and molesting kids and filming it in order to ensure the ratio of people fapping to CP and the amount of CP created remains the same just like people aren't going out and opening a pizza shop to ensure the ratio of pizza shops to people fapping to pizzas remains the same.

If you aren't monetarily supporting these things then you aren't creating any demand for them, end of story.

>>2777

I don't know how you could honestly make the argument that the people fapping to CP are advertising it, what kind of world do you live in?

But going back to the making it for the lulz argument yeah sometimes people do just make things because they can and not because theres money to be gained from it so demand is irrelevant. Like the splatoon porn you're posting, the very first day it was announced at e3 there was a thread on /v/ where everyone started making rule34 of the squid girls just for shits and giggles no matter how amateur at drawing they were and by the end of the day there was over 100 lewd images of squidgirls it was glorious, even I took part in it even though I'm no drawfag. Of course we all got banned along the way because this is 4chan we're talking about but we didn't let them stop us from having our fun.

>>2776

>If you aren't monetarily supporting these things then you aren't creating any demand for them

Some pedo's do pay for it.

And pedo's often share and trade cp on pedo forums etc and new material is always desired.

And some pedo's like watching live streamed cp which is new cp.

>>2780

people eat, more food is produced

people buy iphones, more iphones are produced

people pay for cp, more cp is produced

people want new cp to share, more cp is produced

it really isn't a difficult concept. demand creates supply.

>>2779

>>2780

>>2782

But all you can prove is that paying for it increases demand, you can't prove that pedos are going out there advertising molesters to buy CP from or that they can sense the command of your big pp energy and go film themselves fucking a kid just to supply that demand.

>>2783

what part of "pedo's desire new content which encourages new cp to be made" is hard to grasp?

No i can't provide references to scientific studies of it or provide name and addresses of pedo's that create new cp to share with other pedo's.

>>2786

I now desire for you to drop your pants and post a nice picture of your spread ass in this thread like the BO of /v/, to prove your point you must supply this demand.

>>2787

that's a stupid analogy, no one desires that so it isn't fullfilled.

many pedo's desire new cp and this demand is met.

if new cp isn't created then why isn't all the cp from many years ago? people still had video cameras then..

new stuff is in abundance because pedo's create the demand for it.

>>2789

There is CP from years ago, they used to sell it in magazines that you could buy in sex shops along with the typical smut. If you were alone on an island like castaway as a pedo you would be making cave paintings of lolis like a god damn caveman, the approval of countless men jacking off isn't what drives you to do what you want. I wasn't dicking around in daz3d because there was a demand for it, I've never even posted any renders I made before now.

Saying you could end CP by eliminating the demand is like saying you could end racism if nobody approved of it anymore, people are going to do what they want regardless.

>>2793

I think the naughty bits were sold separately because of course they would be but that was the case for every model not just the underage ones.

>>2795

You can say that but people are getting arrested for young looking sex dolls in some first world countries now and even in places where its not illegal like the U.S expect to receive it in pieces because customs tore it apart "looking for drugs"

>>2798

shit messed up the green text

>>2799

Because customs unpack things in shipping to check what they are and will see an anatomically correct sex doll thats a kid in a box.

>>2803

What annoys me is that Netflix is allowed to push shows featuring child drag queens. We're entering the stage when people will slowly become accustomed to it. Homosexuality was hated in the U.S. for many years until the internet took off and Obama came around, and then within a matter of years the sheep approved of it, with many who once disapproved approving. Once all the boomers die off from Coronavirus, I assure you, the next thing they're going to normalize is pedophilia. It's coming. Have no doubt.

>>2808

The fact that western society thinks sex is more harmful than sterilizing yourself and mutilating your genitals is very telling of how puritan they are, theres a reason europe kicked them out and they were forced to start fresh on an entirely different continent.

>>2809

It's indoctrination. The age of consent used to be 10 years old in the U.S. but now that feminists have gotten hold of us they want to maintain the status quo because if the age of consent or the marriageable age were dropped, it would lower the value of all the whores selling their bodies online. It's all a scam. It's not about morals at all for them. Morality died when evangelical Christianity lost its stranglehold on the U.S. All that is left is nihilism and women want to stay on top, keeping men corralled and useful for the herd. It's a fact that men who marry younger women and especially virgins have lower rates of divorce.

Lowering the age of consent or marriageable age would fix a lot of problems - especially in partner selection for males.

>>2833

getting past the 502 gateway errors and captcha thats pure guesswork most of the time is too much of a pain in the ass

>>2642

>>2648

>>2747

>>2752

>>2757

>>2759

>>2779

>>2786

>>2789

>pedo's

Try graduating elementary school before you debate pedophilia you fucking retards

I really do not see how pedo's ITT cannot understand why consuming cp in the numbers that they do creates the demand for new cp.

Is there porno featuring dykes fucking octopusses being made? No there isn't is there as there is no demand for it.

Is there new cp being made? Yes, as there are many millions of pedo's who fap over cp and new material is always desired same as any other fap material.

DEMAND CREATES FUCKING SUPPLY. SIMPLE 101 ECONOMICS.

>>2726

Get dick extension surgery or a penis stretcher or something goddamn why is your dick smaller than my pinky?

>>2726

Also look into methods/products to restore that foreskin. Either shit genes or your penis was constricted (like some chastity cage shit).

>>2900

>>2898

>>2897

My posts but this site doesn't have temporary ids so for anyone browsing I was talking to >>2726

>>2890

Yes that can be found in the same quantity cp can can't it dumbass you know exactly what i meant

>>2900

>Adios you freak and don't hurt children

You're exactly why this culture is making it to where people want to hurt children. You're obsessed with dick size. You've objectified and dehumanized not only women, but other males. kys

But regardless, all lolicons are fucking imbeciles.

>>2964

>70iq nigger is also a lolicon

Makes perfect sense, as loli is for retards only.

>>2957

>Photorealistic depictions are becoming more common and in the future will greatly hamper the ability of law enforcement to identify real CP and thus help real children

You keep mentioning this but it's bullshit for one simple reason: photorealistic depictions do not fucking exist yet. The closest you can get are somewhat realistic 3DCG which are still easily identifiable as fake. Not even professional effects studios working on movies can do perfect CGI copies of people, there's still some uncanny valley, and it's certainly well beyond the means of solo amateurs working with consumer grade equipment. Even if it may be possible in the furture, it's not possible now, so there's no need for any of it to be illegal just yet.

The "hampers law enforcement" argument just sounds like a convenient excuse for them to ban things they don't like.

>>3050

>>3051

>assuming law enforcement actually gives a shit

Law enforcement has bigger fish to fry then sad pedos jacking it to pixiv. Their goal is to catch active pedophiles or cp rings. They'll actually keep sites up to that end so that they can examine the content for identifying information. If they're fucking scanning the pictures for dude's driver's liscences they're gonna pick up on whether the thing is cgi or legit. They're not glancing through thumbnails and deleting random shit, that would be a moderator's job

The criminalization of child pornography is basically a pr stunt. Real law enforcement isn't going out of their way to hunt down sad bastards swapping spyware ridden .rars, they just want you to think they are. Groups like the FBI have specialized departments dedicated to stuff like sex crimes, whose main purpose is to arrest people who are actively molesting kids, i.e. the people making the cp, not the ones consuming it. Because the thing is, the people making real cp are probably already molesting the kid, and would have done so regardless of their intention to make cp. The fact they do just creates evidence that might lead to their arrest. Cp sites are actually useful to that end. The only time you see crackdowns are when legit sites (e.g. Tumblr, Facebook, 4chan) are trying to keep a positive image/stay out of trouble, or when a legit host finds out one of their clients is using their servers for cp. Otherwise, the only time the feds actually do anything to take cp off the internet is when someone in charge of a site is involved personally in a sex ring like with what happened to H2TC's Lux. They get arrested and the site they are running just shuts down as a consequence. I've actually heard of law enforcement low key running the site after they arrested the people originally in charge so they could keep collecting info on users.

tl;dr nobody actually cares about what's "technically" cp except you and closeted pedo moralists with no life

>>2960

>>2952

who is the artist?

>>3065

Thanks, I really like the way he draws those little pussies. They look so realistic.

>>3091

>For the latter image you can easily use saucenao

Sorry, I don't have a smartphone and can't access google "apps".

>>3093

are you posting this from your iphone?

>>3107

try restarting your iphone

>>3113

(you)

cunny

These manufactured debates about lolicon that are happening a hundred times a second on the internet have only the purpose of obscuring the real pedophilia that is happening in the West and the attempts made to gradually normalize it. People are freaking out about something on exhentai but see no problem with their child becoming a drag queen and learning about rimjobs in sex ed. Fucking retards.

>>3596

How is debating it here on a half dead board stopping anyone from going after real pedos?

(((>kill)))

(((>yourself)))

(((>pedo)))

(((>faggot)))

Who cares? Pedo was literally invented, perpetuated, by the feminist revolution to witch hunt males. It's not even real either way.

All the drama about drawings just proves that it was witch hunting all along.

>>2450

Some lolicons are pedophiles, but not all pedophiles are lolicons.

/thread

>>3655

>all lolicons are pedophiles, but not all pedophiles are lolicons

FTFY

No.

>>2485

>It's like if someone loves oil painted pictures of landscapes and then says, "well, i only like the painted pictures, I don't like actual landscapes." It makes no sense.

You mean like a dilettante?

Depend from the degree of loli.

No one will ever make me think that a 15 yo girl 1,65 or more meters tall, with a d-cup or more, make me pedophile if i wanna fuck her.

Hell, in nature the body of a woman is ready to reproduce the moment she have the first menstruations.

Ah I see another lolicon I have met

>>2475

>>incel

Every hour of every day a retard uses this fake buzzword that doesn't even mean anything.

>>2523

>child going through puberty

Reality check, women look female due to neoteny. They have less of a puberty to begin with. It's why normal straight males find younger hot. We like them due to their childlike features. You'd have to ban being short and or flat chested to ban what you think of as pedo, but even then I've seen short Caucasian hotties that have no tits that were in their 20, past puberty, so with anime being scaled down in detail it purely just can't have an age outside of text.

The context of story lines used to be legal in the 90s, fake underage porn was often had in the USA at least. " OH daddy NO I'm only [insert less than 18] years old!" After that the slippery slope bans loli and such in 2003, but first the obscenity laws went after the ageplay verbally.

I wish people remembered such things. This is not about pedo it's about salty old hags in politics trying to arrest every male while they're still in grade school, as I remember an elementary kid being nearly charged once for kissing a younger girl and I myself was banned in HS from kissing any age as these people, these USA people and the ones that obey this empire I'm stuck in taht is of five eyes, it's what? Just purely no fun allowed. Pure fear and loathing. They're twisted. If you self insert, as that is all porn really is, you're underage too. You are in a 2d world even. You have self inserted into a fantasy, why not ban Call of Duty next? Did you get an order to wear that uniform? No, you're breaking the law impersonating an officer. Blah blah blah.

Real life is real life. Banning fantasy is stupid.

But yeah, neoteny is as it does.

>>2557

>freedom is silly

Only because we are too connected. We should be segregated by compatible personality type. It's why races of humans exist. We are not meant to get along with one another but grow in opposing directions.

>>2537

>>they'll confiscate it

Fear mongering is silly when you remember that they don't have time to go through all of the mail. Even if they did, the dost test comes to mind. If the doll didn't come with itself having a dildo in it or something it's not illegal. Something having a vagina that is underage doesn't make it illegal to buy or buying a dog would be illegal because you COULD fuck the dog. If you see. They can't prove you're going to do something sexual to the doll.

Spook negated.

>>3055

>they keep the sites up

Of which is why they took craiglist down and backpage, huh? To track the victims?

pssshhh age of fake problems is a real thing, but they do indeed not yet have been bored enough to actually go after everyone. They are not wise protectors though, that is my jab. Don't go bullshitting yourself about that or craiglist personals would ahve the FBI tracking underage hookers still. Now if a hooker goes missing they can't find 'em. But do they CARE? Nope. Hopefully more people will stop working under the table, and they were hoping to take down all of craiglist to make just sure of exactly that. The amount of flaming it's gotten, "kills are there and THEIVES" no it's just hard to track the money, and that pisses the all seeing eye off. Little kids? They use it as an excuse to take down the bigger shit. It's for the children they say, they don't really care. They want to take it all down and bury it in a hole so deep that you never can find your way out again, all for the sake of having dominated you.

The criminalization of X thing to see online was just part of a slippery slope to stop any sort of micro-society of differing lifestyles to form within a larger society. It's to force everyone to fall in line for the sake of obeying the upper officials. For the sake of taxation.

>>4114

meant for >>2540 but in general, damn it normalfaggots why do you even PRETEND TO CARE

>>3667

no

loli is definitly pedoshit but the day loli threads become illegal is the day i commit a hate crime on my local government representative.

>>2540

Is a dwarf fine, too? In general content, some drawings or actors are intentionally labeled "over 17". Some adult women are petite and could pass as flat-chested.

The more I've been exposed to their cultures online like here, the more the attraction seems toward personality and body shape. For some there's a dominance fetish or a desire for revenge. For some there's a fetish for cuteness or the paradox of nymphomania seen in fiction or simply the taboo. For some there's an orthogonal longing to feel like a parental caregiver, mentor or protector. Instinctually, youth means fertility, but going younger than puberty suggests other sets of motivations. I get the feeling there were things like unrequited love, missing out on youth, prolonged virginity, parental abandonment, personal victimhood, high sex-drive for exploratory fetishes, something like a midlife crisis, elders refusing dialog about sex or glorifying child marriage, etc. In finding comfort, if they aren't passing along harm onto others who don't consent, are coerced, or aren't emotionally ready for it, then it's fine with me.

I was surprised to have occasionally run across arguments between lolicons over treatment of loli characters in fiction. Some are very opposed to abuse or at least turned off by it. But it wasn't so surprising when I realised similar disagreements are common in basically all fandoms. I've read that booru image hosts have a search tag for "happy sex".

Another thing, the etymology of "-phile" or "phil" in words like pedophile means love or friendship in the sense of internal thoughts and emotions. It can but does not necessarily cross into molestation or abuse. People, especially those on soapboxes, ought to try not to conflate terms out of personal beliefs.

>>2450

> No, I have no attraction to real children, but I can't prove to myself or others that what is true of me is true of the majority of lolicons.

I'd be interested in results of peer reviewed scientific studies of that. It is regrettable that stigmatization discourages honest answers. IIRC, Alfred Kinsey did at least one study.

>>2540

Is a dwarf fine, too? In general content, some drawings or actors are intentionally labeled "over 17". Some adult women are petite and could pass as flat-chested.

The more I've been exposed to their cultures online like here, the more the attraction seems toward personality, body shape, and faces. For some there's a dominance fetish or a desire for revenge. For some there's a fetish for cuteness or the paradox of nymphomania seen in fiction or simply the taboo. For some there's an orthogonal longing to feel like a parental caregiver, mentor or protector. Let's not forget shotacon. Instinctually, youth means fertility, but going younger than puberty suggests other sets of motivations. I get the feeling there were things like unrequited love, missing out on youth, prolonged virginity, parental abandonment, personal victimhood, high sex-drive for exploratory fetishes, something like a midlife crisis, elders refusing dialog about sex or glorifying child marriage, etc. In finding comfort, if they aren't passing along harm onto others who don't consent, are coerced, or aren't emotionally ready for it, then it's fine with me.

I was surprised to have occasionally run across arguments between lolicons over treatment of loli characters in fiction. Some are very opposed to abuse or at least turned off by it. But it wasn't so surprising when I realised similar disagreements are common in basically all fandoms. I've read that booru image hosts have a search tag for "happy sex".

Another thing, the etymology of "-phile" or "phil" in words like pedophile means love or friendship in the sense of internal thoughts and emotions. It can but does not necessarily cross into molestation or abuse. People, especially those on soapboxes, ought to try not to conflate terms out of personal beliefs.

>>2450

> No, I have no attraction to real children, but I can't prove to myself or others that what is true of me is true of the majority of lolicons.

I'd be interested in results of peer reviewed scientific studies of that. It is regrettable that stigmatization discourages honest answers. IIRC, Alfred Kinsey did at least one study.

>>2540

Is a dwarf fine, too? In general content, some drawings or actors are intentionally labeled "over 17". Some adult women are petite and could pass as flat-chested.

The more I've been exposed to their cultures online like here, the more the attraction seems toward personality, body shape, and faces. For some there's a dominance fetish or a desire for revenge. For some there's a fetish for cuteness or the paradox of nymphomania seen in fiction or simply the taboo. For some there's an orthogonal longing to feel like a parental caregiver, mentor or protector. Let's not forget shotacon and that pedophilia is not exclusive to males. Instinctually, youth means fertility, but going younger than puberty suggests other sets of motivations. I get the feeling there were things like unrequited love, missing out on youth, prolonged virginity, parental abandonment, personal victimhood, high sex-drive for exploratory fetishes, something like a midlife crisis, elders refusing dialog about sex or glorifying child marriage, etc. In finding comfort, if they aren't passing along harm onto others who don't consent, are coerced, or aren't emotionally ready for it, then it's fine with me.

I was surprised to have occasionally run across arguments between lolicons over treatment of loli characters in fiction. Some are very opposed to abuse or at least turned off by it. But it wasn't so surprising when I realised similar disagreements are common in basically all fandoms. I've read that booru image hosts have a search tag for "happy sex".

Another thing, the etymology of "-phile" or "phil" in words like pedophile means love or friendship in the sense of internal thoughts and emotions. It can but does not necessarily cross into molestation or abuse. People, especially those on soapboxes, ought to try not to conflate terms out of personal beliefs.

>>2450

> No, I have no attraction to real children, but I can't prove to myself or others that what is true of me is true of the majority of lolicons.

I'd be interested in results of peer reviewed scientific studies of that. It is regrettable that stigmatization discourages honest answers. IIRC, Alfred Kinsey did at least one study.

>>2540

Is a dwarf fine, too? In general content, some drawings or actors are intentionally labeled "over 17". Some adult women are petite and could pass as flat-chested.

The more I've been exposed to their cultures online like here, the more the attraction seems toward personality, body shape, and faces. For some there's a dominance fetish or a desire for revenge. For some there's a fetish for cuteness or the paradox of nymphomania seen in fiction or simply the taboo. For some there's an orthogonal longing to feel like a parental caregiver, mentor or protector. Let's not forget shotacon and that pedophilia is not exclusive to males. Instinctually, youth means fertility, but going younger than puberty suggests other sets of motivations. I get the feeling there were things like unrequited love, missing out on youth, prolonged virginity, parental abandonment, personal victimhood, high sex-drive for exploratory fetishes, something like a midlife crisis, elders refusing dialog about sex or glorifying child marriage, etc. In finding comfort, if they aren't passing along harm onto others who don't consent, are coerced, or aren't emotionally ready for it, then it's fine with me.

I was surprised to have occasionally run across arguments between lolicons over treatment of loli characters in fiction. Some are very opposed to abuse or at least turned off by it. But it wasn't so surprising when I realised similar disagreements are common in basically all fandoms. I've read that booru image hosts have a search tag for "happy sex".

Another thing, the etymology of "-phile" or "phil" in words like pedophile means love or friendship in the sense of internal thoughts and emotions. It can but does not necessarily cross into molestation or abuse. People, especially those on soapboxes, ought to try not to conflate terms out of personal beliefs.

Mods, please delete >>4482 and >>4483 Sorry for the duplicate posts.

I didn't get a confirmation, and the page didn't redirect back to the thread as usual.

>>4486

And delete >>4485 It's a delayed duplicate. Sorry.

>>4486

>>4487

yeah BO.clean the mess this retard made. we all know you're a loli-lover and browsing this thread

>>4518

>all this witch hunting and bloodlusting

I'm glad it's not for pretend as it proves my above point every time you flame this way.

In real life most pedos would be trying to not rape but find a willing 'victim'. You don't know what you are. You want to do things to people that they don't want to have done to them. You're an actual rape tier person, the witch hunter is.

The majority of pedos probably never would go through with it, yet, even over drawings, unrealistic ones, you can get 20 years in places like the USA.

Such rapists, moraflaggots are.

>>4847

>I'm glad it's not for pretend

It actually is, all that guy does is pretend to be the real analockman. only the real one is a furry pedo faggot that wouldn't moralfag over lolis, the broken english is on point though.

>>5039

>>5045

both seem redundant and stupid

>>5085

Its subjectivity is the entire reason why applying that law to fiction was found to be unconstitutional and the lawyer giving ron that misinformation is fucking retarded.

>>5085

BAYYYYYYYZEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDD

but what will slim jim do if he finds out? he might holocaust your board completely because he cannot affort to get summoned to USA again

>>5095

>Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

>political

yep we're good

>>5085

>When i get notification from a fed that can prove hes a fed that something illegal is taking place ill nuke it. Until then i do not see anything in this thread as illegal or "sexual" since i'm not attracted to minors. Take that loophole CIA Niggers.

it's not about attraction, it's about distribution and facilitation of CP. attraction is not relevant

>>5099

Wheres the cp?

>>5094

If you ask me 9chan is too cucked to take off and even if it wasn't josh's bad rep would make it hard, 10chan stands a better chance but when it comes to that there isn't a place for your board since /b/ isn't going to be a cucked shithole everyones desperate to escape from or just totally non-existent like here.

>>4491

there

>>5103

exposed nippie, sexual content, features minor, therefore CP

>>5103

How is that cp? its wholesome cuddle time and bus waiting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test

Lets go through the steps shall we?

1:

>Whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards", would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,

do we as a community find this to be illegal?

2

>Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions[4] specifically defined by applicable state law,

ok sure some things in this thread depict sexual intercourse.

3

>Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value

as a discussion on Pedophillia, this would fall under the Political aspect. Therefore even if we got past all the rest of those steps wed be stopped right here.

>>5105

Prove they're a minor, all the artist has to do is have the typical "all characters are over 18 even if described otherwise" disclaimer and suddenly its not CP anymore.

>>5107

>>5108

one could REASONABLY CONCLUDE that it features a minor, even if it was not the artists intent, and even if it doesn't feature a minor

US law is very strict when it comes to cp

>>5111

This is too vague for me to act on.

If you can get a court/judge to decide this is illegal ill take it down without hesitation. The porblem with all of this is that basing these laws off of a "Miller Test" is fucking retarded and stupid. Especially when that test is so fucking vague it makes me wonder wtf those lobbysists and officials are thinking.

>>5111

"reasonable" is a weasel word so how can a judge make a decision regarding it without electing themselves the arbiter of what is and isn't reasonable? Long story short they can't and thats why its unconstitutional to apply that weasel word filled shit test to fictional drawings.

>>5112

I will however remove all naked depictions of lolis in this thread that do not have text or help with the discussion this thread is based upon, because reading the laws more closely has made me come to the conclusion that posting a loli by itself with no discussion or tpoic is "illegal"

>>5114

Absolute horseshit, if you want to waste your time doing jims dirty work in further sanitizing this site by all means go right ahead but its in service of no one else but him.

>>5112

if the subject of the porn, the person that is sexualized, behaves, clothes or talks like a minor, one could reasonably conclude it features a minor

this is a very strict law

>The porblem with all of this is that basing these laws off of a "Miller Test" is fucking retarded and stupid. Especially when that test is so fucking vague it makes me wonder wtf those lobbysists and officials are thinking.

no anon, you know it's illegal, you're pretending not to understand

if you're not pretendin, you're probably a minor yourself, and in that case, get the fuck of this board

>>5113

answered your question

>>5114

do what you want, anon

your thread, your responsibility

>>5119

Id rather not have the board taken down or go to court and ruin my irl character. Im only gonna remove what doesnt increase the value of the thread

>>5120

Thats a very stupid conclusion to come to. "political" is political

>>5119

go to an onion-chan if you want to jack off to minors

on websites like this you're not anonymous, no one is anonymous, no one is safe from the FBI

>>5120

>if the subject of the porn, the person that is sexualized, behaves, clothes or talks like a minor, one could reasonably conclude it features a minor

So if a well known pornstar decided to do that diaper baby fetish shit in a crib it would be reasonable to assume they're a minor?

>>5123

YES

>>5124

if she pretended to be a child, that is

>>5124

Then you should get the top 10 /abdl/ board nuked for being illegal too, even though its not you probably could convince gullible ass ron to get rid of it anyway at this point.

>>5122

Oh sweet summer child, if only you knew what we've all been posting on 8chan over the last 6 years with absolutely no repercussions whatsoever.

>>5127

Too bad you're still fucked because what you don't consider illegal is still considered illegal by the judge that will convict you, if any of this shit was actually illegal mind you.

>>5126

>Oh sweet summer child, if only you knew what we've all been posting on 8chan over the last 6 years with absolutely no repercussions whatsoever

look outside your window, just to be sure>>5126

>Oh sweet summer child, if only you knew what we've all been posting on 8chan over the last 6 years with absolutely no repercussions whatsoever

>>5128

I did my best within my own means.

>>5128

ask your lawyer, anon

>>5129

Your fear mongering about the FBI's omnipotence is about as compelling as telling me everyone on /abdl/ is doing illegal shit right now.

>>4877

>14 is pedo

Puberty ages of female = 12-21 approximately.

males approx 14-25

Legal pedo doesn't makes any sense so no point in listing what age that is by region.

Also, why 7-14? Why not 1-14?

I mean really.