No.2450 [View All]
IS LOLICON PEDOPHILIA?
Are you ready for some hardcore banter, faggots? Today I ask the ultimate question. Is lolicon pedophilia/hebephilia? And no, I don't mean does loli==CP, or does loli==the medical paraphilia in it's entirety which requires the obsession to interfere with your regular judgement and daily life. I mean, does sexual attraction to cartoon representations of little girls==sexual attraction to children, the laymen's definition and most common usage of the word pedophilia.
I will make this argument, as a devil's advocate, that lolicon is almost definitely pedophilia. It is jacking off to the concept of fucking children. You won't find many sane people arguing that a man that primarily consumes regular straight hentai without deviations to faggotry isn't heterosexual just because he thinks 3D is PD. The same can be said of a man who jacks off to hard gay muscle yaoi almost definitely being homosexual. Japan doesn't see the difference. When they say lolicon, it can mean fiction, reality, or both. Here is a translated page of Comic LO, a prime and popular lolicon magazine that is arguably representative of the voices of lolicons in Japan. It clearly uses lolicon to refer to attraction to real children. LO is published with an audience of pedophiles in mind, by the mangaka themselves.
Now don't mistake my argument. The idea of lolicon being pedophilia is not antithetical to being pro-lolicon. Assuming it is pedophilia, it thus reasons that loli serves as a safe outlet for pedophiles that is harm free since it requires no children for its creation. Japan proves it doesn't increase child sexual abuse cases. It's also a matter of freedom of speech & expression that lolicon should be able to freely exist. These are both principle and practical justifications to be pro-lolicon, even if it is pedophilia.
Yes I am a lolicon as I consume a large amount of it relative to other hentai. No, I have no attraction to real children, but I can't prove to myself or others that what is true of me is true of the majority of lolicons. It also can't be argued that since most lolicons claim to not like real kids, that they don't like real kids, since they would obsviously almost always lie about it if true and want to distance it from pedophilia. There's a small amount of verifiable information suggesting lolicon isn't pedophila, like the rate of convicted pedos with loli since its introduction to the west, but it's not much and is easily explained by loli being safer and more easily found than CP. Lots of lolicon is fairly anatomically correct in all aspects but the face, so it stands to reason lolicons are attracted to the bodies of children and not the faces, and would get easily get a stiffy to nudes of a real girl featuring a bag on her head given that they have any attraction to 3D at all still. And all of this is to say nothing of how the lines are blurred when you get into text only fiction.
>Inb4 it's a body type not an age, so it has nothing to do with children, she's 4000 years old bigot!
Loli is a body type with proportions generally corresponding to children of the ages 7-14 according to the way the word is generally used both in the west and Japan. If the character doesn't look mostly representative of the proportions of those ages, it is not loli. You cannot divorce it from the appearance of age, no matter what you claim is canon, except in non-standard styles like chibi. Here is a an editor of Comic LO clearly stating that the lolis should look like a certain age. http://archive.is/IB8Sf
>When I was making arrangements with my boss:
<"These characters look a little young for 9."
>When I suggested making them 8 instead:
<"LO's readers want 9-year-olds, 8 is too young. Change the picture instead!"
Some Japs may also use loli to refer to toddlercon, though it is not common as far as I've seen.
>Inb4 lolis don't act like real children
Most ficitional characters don't act like real people. Their scripts are deliberate at the will of the author. Again I must refer to the fact that a man who jacks off to muscley yaoi fudgepacking is most certainly gay. Whether the characters act like real people or like real homos in particular is irrelevant. The same is true of loli. The personality may range from childlike to mature, but that doesn't change the look. Sexual attraction to the innocence and naivety of children alone can make a pedophile in some cases, yes. But non-pedophiles aren't unattracted to children purely because of a child's mind. Sexual attraction to underdeveloped or completely non-present secondary sexual characteristics is pedophilia, even if one doesn't care for the mental immaturity of the child.
Also, since /delicous/ and /loli/ both don't exist anymore and anons are having trouble getting any new loli boards approved, this a general loli thread. Post your cutest lolis.
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No.4850
>>4847
>I'm glad it's not for pretend
It actually is, all that guy does is pretend to be the real analockman. only the real one is a furry pedo faggot that wouldn't moralfag over lolis, the broken english is on point though.
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No.4877
>pedos
>age 7-14
thank god I am not one of these
my waifu is 17 year old school girl
allah is great
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No.5037
That's odd dawnfag hasnt nuked the thread or locked the board yet
how very strange
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No.5039
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No.5045
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No.5080
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No.5084
>>5039
>>5045
both seem redundant and stupid
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No.5085
>>5037
When i get notification from a fed that can prove hes a fed that something illegal is taking place ill nuke it. Until then i do not see anything in this thread as illegal or "sexual" since i'm not attracted to minors. Take that loophole CIA Niggers.
>>5039
>>5045
subjective and stupid. Should either be thrown out or rewritten to actually mean something.
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No.5089
>>5085
Its subjectivity is the entire reason why applying that law to fiction was found to be unconstitutional and the lawyer giving ron that misinformation is fucking retarded.
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No.5091
>>5089
Ok cool, carrying on law abiding citizens of Bantb
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No.5092
>>5085
BAYYYYYYYZEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDD
but what will slim jim do if he finds out? he might holocaust your board completely because he cannot affort to get summoned to USA again
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No.5094
>>5092
9chan.tw/bantb/ exists if it gets wiped.
also 9chan seems kinda open to it anyways? I havent been paying attention to josh's rulecucking. Ig if not you can use julays bantb? You could go somewhere else too. idk, lets not get it to the point where Ronald McDonald and his big black uncle notices then? Also its not illegal and i doubt they havent seen it by now. I think the thread has been purged of some risky stuff b4 so global mods definitely know about it
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No.5095
>>5094
Also even if the miller test thing was constitutional. This is a discussion about pedophilia not a thread promoting pedophilia so wouldn't that fall under one of those extremely subjective rules
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No.5097
>>5095
>Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
>political
yep we're good
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No.5099
>>5085
>When i get notification from a fed that can prove hes a fed that something illegal is taking place ill nuke it. Until then i do not see anything in this thread as illegal or "sexual" since i'm not attracted to minors. Take that loophole CIA Niggers.
it's not about attraction, it's about distribution and facilitation of CP. attraction is not relevant
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No.5100
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No.5102
>>5094
If you ask me 9chan is too cucked to take off and even if it wasn't josh's bad rep would make it hard, 10chan stands a better chance but when it comes to that there isn't a place for your board since /b/ isn't going to be a cucked shithole everyones desperate to escape from or just totally non-existent like here.
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No.5103
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No.5105
>>5103
exposed nippie, sexual content, features minor, therefore CP
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No.5107
>>5103
How is that cp? its wholesome cuddle time and bus waiting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test
Lets go through the steps shall we?
1:
>Whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards", would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
do we as a community find this to be illegal?
2
>Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions[4] specifically defined by applicable state law,
ok sure some things in this thread depict sexual intercourse.
3
>Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value
as a discussion on Pedophillia, this would fall under the Political aspect. Therefore even if we got past all the rest of those steps wed be stopped right here.
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No.5108
>>5105
Prove they're a minor, all the artist has to do is have the typical "all characters are over 18 even if described otherwise" disclaimer and suddenly its not CP anymore.
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No.5111
>>5107
>>5108
one could REASONABLY CONCLUDE that it features a minor, even if it was not the artists intent, and even if it doesn't feature a minor
US law is very strict when it comes to cp
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No.5112
>>5111
This is too vague for me to act on.
If you can get a court/judge to decide this is illegal ill take it down without hesitation. The porblem with all of this is that basing these laws off of a "Miller Test" is fucking retarded and stupid. Especially when that test is so fucking vague it makes me wonder wtf those lobbysists and officials are thinking.
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No.5113
>>5111
"reasonable" is a weasel word so how can a judge make a decision regarding it without electing themselves the arbiter of what is and isn't reasonable? Long story short they can't and thats why its unconstitutional to apply that weasel word filled shit test to fictional drawings.
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No.5114
>>5112
I will however remove all naked depictions of lolis in this thread that do not have text or help with the discussion this thread is based upon, because reading the laws more closely has made me come to the conclusion that posting a loli by itself with no discussion or tpoic is "illegal"
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No.5119
>>5114
Absolute horseshit, if you want to waste your time doing jims dirty work in further sanitizing this site by all means go right ahead but its in service of no one else but him.
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No.5120
>>5112
if the subject of the porn, the person that is sexualized, behaves, clothes or talks like a minor, one could reasonably conclude it features a minor
this is a very strict law
>The porblem with all of this is that basing these laws off of a "Miller Test" is fucking retarded and stupid. Especially when that test is so fucking vague it makes me wonder wtf those lobbysists and officials are thinking.
no anon, you know it's illegal, you're pretending not to understand
if you're not pretendin, you're probably a minor yourself, and in that case, get the fuck of this board
>>5113
answered your question
>>5114
do what you want, anon
your thread, your responsibility
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No.5121
>>5119
Id rather not have the board taken down or go to court and ruin my irl character. Im only gonna remove what doesnt increase the value of the thread
>>5120
Thats a very stupid conclusion to come to. "political" is political
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No.5122
>>5119
go to an onion-chan if you want to jack off to minors
on websites like this you're not anonymous, no one is anonymous, no one is safe from the FBI
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No.5123
>>5120
>if the subject of the porn, the person that is sexualized, behaves, clothes or talks like a minor, one could reasonably conclude it features a minor
So if a well known pornstar decided to do that diaper baby fetish shit in a crib it would be reasonable to assume they're a minor?
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No.5124
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No.5125
>>5124
if she pretended to be a child, that is
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No.5126
>>5124
Then you should get the top 10 /abdl/ board nuked for being illegal too, even though its not you probably could convince gullible ass ron to get rid of it anyway at this point.
>>5122
Oh sweet summer child, if only you knew what we've all been posting on 8chan over the last 6 years with absolutely no repercussions whatsoever.
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No.5127
Ok ive gotten rid of what i considered illegal. Fuck that law tbh. Nothing so fucking vague and subjective should ever be ruled on ever. Fuck what America has turned into
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No.5128
>>5127
Too bad you're still fucked because what you don't consider illegal is still considered illegal by the judge that will convict you, if any of this shit was actually illegal mind you.
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No.5129
>>5126
>Oh sweet summer child, if only you knew what we've all been posting on 8chan over the last 6 years with absolutely no repercussions whatsoever
look outside your window, just to be sure>>5126
>Oh sweet summer child, if only you knew what we've all been posting on 8chan over the last 6 years with absolutely no repercussions whatsoever
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No.5130
>>5128
I did my best within my own means.
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No.5131
>>5128
ask your lawyer, anon
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No.5132
>>5129
Your fear mongering about the FBI's omnipotence is about as compelling as telling me everyone on /abdl/ is doing illegal shit right now.
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No.5141
>>4877
>14 is pedo
Puberty ages of female = 12-21 approximately.
males approx 14-25
Legal pedo doesn't makes any sense so no point in listing what age that is by region.
Also, why 7-14? Why not 1-14?
I mean really.
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No.5183
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No.5184
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No.5234
>>2795
>God will punish you for this fur-degeneracy
>But God loves loli
Makes sense to me
>>2450
2D Loli is great, but photo-realistic is not hot and is disturbing. It combines the uncanny valley of imperfect realism with the shitty proportions of real children. Get 3DPD the fuck off my board, I don't care if it's real or generated.
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No.5242
>>5234
I think he doth protest too much
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No.5652
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No.5724
Not necessarily, since some like Shinobu in the picture you showed are actually in their older ages way above the legal minimum. If you can justify that they're of mature mental + biological age at the same time, then you're golden. If i'm being totally honest, biological age matters more since the whole reason why cp is illegal is because puberty hasn't even finished for most of them yet, making it dangerous to have activity with; hence, why it's child abuse.
However, consider Raphtalia from Shield Hero. Real-time mentally, her age would obviously be under 18, but her species also ages faster, meaning they die faster, so she has a mature woman look even at 10 real years old. She would still be considered a loli mentally though. Would that still be considered pedophilia? I wouldn't say so.
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No.5777
>>5094
>9chan.tw/bantb/ exists if it gets wiped.
Dawnfag, you do realize they hardban loli outside the loli containment board, even on /b/, right? This thread would have been nuked at the OP if it was made on 9chan /bantb/.
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No.5886
>>5094
>julay.world
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No.6476
>>5094
>I think the thread has been purged of some risky stuff b4 so global mods definitely know about it
Many globals quit when loli was banned, which happened after the SFW Laura B pics in this thread were ding dong bannu'd. You can global report almost any thread with enough loli in it and get it nuked. I've done this mulitple times since the loli ban, archiving the threads first of course. Jewsh's site 9chan is not safe for loli either. Find a better alternative Dawnfag.
t. OP who surprised this thread is still up
FUCK 8QUNNNY
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No.6477
>>5127
>Ok ive gotten rid of what i considered illegal. Fuck that law tbh.
Dawnfag, you're retarded and inconsistent. Firstly, that law about "loli" was made to ban it after a SCOTUS decision that effectively made loli legal had passed. Secondly, the anti-loli law is actually never used on loli. The word "depiction" in the law is interpretable as either fictional or real, so prosecutors only ever use the law to doublecharge pedophiles for actual CP. Anyone digging into publicly available information on specific cases of 1466a can see this. It has never been properly tested in court on a case of the material it's aimed against. Thirdly, if you actually thought that law effected loli and made it illegal, you'd delete every explicit image in this thread, not just those without discussion attached.
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