add73d No.3361 [View All]
RSA General
Crumbs to focus on
In the (e,1) solution, d[t] = na+x
and a[t] = na
Therefore, if you can find the t value of this element, you can factor all semiprimes.
>Which column has NO gaps? [0]
>What is the pattern in COLUMN ZERO?
>One Row to Rule them All.
>A column that contains ALL and is the KEY to ALL the patterns.
>What are the patterns in COLUMN ZERO?
>If c is a semiprime, how many times does its square (c^2) appear in column zero? [5]
Why are there gaps?
The reason for the gaps may be because the VQC does not include decimal numbers. That is, because cells with gaps are the cells where the midpoint of a and b would not be a whole number. Or, worded another way, the difference between a and b would be an odd number.
There is a repeating pattern of gaps as you move horizontally from (0, n) to the right.
The pattern of gaps repeats every 2n if n is even.
The pattern of gaps repeats every n if n is odd.
>If first appearance of factor p is element t, second appearance will be at (p+1-t)
>p will be a factor of a in elements: t+p, t+2p, t+3p,…
as well as in elements:
>p+1-t, 2p+1-t, 3p+1-t,…
take d from all values of d[t] at (e,1) and there is a known pattern of (n-1) as factor in these values of d[t]-d that is different (increasingly) from the pattern of factors of n in a[t]
Why do the values in row one determine all the values in the columns below them?
Let me break that down.
Find every value of d - d[t]
There is a pattern of (n-1) being a factor.
Find every value of a[t].
There is a pattern of n being a factor.
The pattern in the first group of values is "increasingly different" from the second. We must catalogue these patterns.
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65f089 No.4121
>>4120
>I think I lost a zero in my post number just now
?
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b92360 No.4122
>>4121
I was drunk enough to think my post would be >>4200. Yeah. Lets pretend I made a binary joke or something
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7fa95d No.4123
>>4118
That was the original point of the board: to more eloquently organize everything, have a list of thread archives, etc. Then /cbts/ turned to shit. We've just sort of been winging the structure of threads and everything so far. Of course you're more than welcome to put something like that together, and I could sticky it if everyone would like. I don't really have the time to go through everything myself at the moment. My life is quite busy and stressful lately (not that anyone needs my life story but one of the things is that I'm moving out of my parents' house quite soon) so while I can easily lurk and maybe make some bitmap images occasionally, someone else is going to have to get all of that information together. I did put some pdfs together early on for the people who knew nothing about programming or how the grid worked. There's a thread somewhere. Maybe that information would come in handy too.
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65f089 No.4124
>>4123
Yes you are right, I intended to do it earlier but I didn't get around to it. I'll have to chip away at a few of them, and maybe do a mini list. Expand if useful; hard to know which loose ends are most important right now.
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b92360 No.4125
>>4123
Winging it is fine but organization has its merits too. I will reread everything and cherry pick some stuff but all I can do is post that as a new thread and it'll be outdated when anons contribute. Editing the top post would be nice but its not like we can just ask for mod rights.
Thanks for all you do, its appreciated by all of us! And good luck with your move/rl stuff!
Any anons with organization skills are welcome to step up
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b92360 No.4126
>>4123
>>4125
Just to add, the foresight in getting the hell out of /cbts/ early really saved us. Thanks!
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06387b No.4127
>>4120
>>4119
You almost got the 4120 for your post of the earth smoking a bowl, lol. :)
>>4123
Thanks again AA for planning ahead!
Thought: VQC is further along the road of enlightenment, so he doesn't party for good reason. We disciples, on the other hand, were probably attracted here in part by his self which used to party. You gotta like expanding your mind for this kinda work. Pretty cool that he's doing it sober now. Much respect.
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06387b No.4128
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8e44f0 No.4129
Rules? As in measurements or modes of behavior?
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06387b No.4130
>>4129
Rules? As in "nature, in order to be ruled, must be obeyed" ?
Dance Of The Cosmos?
Numbers That Grow Like A Tree?
Patterns That Traverse Infinity?
Underlying Order Of The Universe?
Sign Me Up, I wanna be there for that Habbening.
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65f089 No.4131
>>4127
>You almost got the 4120 for your post of the earth smoking a bowl, lol. :)
What if my post was actually a hint, because inhaling smoke into the pole creates a toroidal vortex?
I just realized the pdf here is as useful as anything.
>>3381
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65f089 No.4132
ok still gotta work on the hint I was asking about, but… reading the pdf and getting excited here by the imagery:
>Integers are also related into families that you have noticed.
>Like fractals.
>They repeat.
>They GROW.
>Sea shells grow.
>Establishing which patterns govern which level of the fractal and which part of the branch of that fractal, will help identify
the factors of c.
>Think decision trees too.
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>If in doubt go back to the original (e,n) grid and look for MORE patterns!
>The strange is, the more you enjoy this the more it SINGS it's beauty.
>It IS beautiful.
>Like the Mandelbrot Set.
>Similar rules.
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What kind of logarithmic spiralling fractal mushroom trip are we looking for here? Rules of mandelbrot set: The Mandelbrot set is the set of complex numbers c for which the function f_c(z) = z^2+c does not diverge when iterated starting at z = 0. We know that VQC's part 2 factor tree iterates taking roots, but for all sub-branches. The mandelbrot set looks at sequences. But it is self-similar (download / write yourself some fractal viewing software for inspiration).
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7fa95d No.4133
>>4125
>>4126
>>4127
Do keep in mind, the reason we left /cbts/ is because a human started doing dumb human stuff that interfered with the function and culture of the board, and I'm also a human. Maybe I don't think I'm going to start doing anything shitty, but I can't imagine anyone who controls this kind of thing ever does, and sometimes they do. You all have the responsibility of keeping me in check.
>>4131
I didn't think to put the Twitter DMs that some of us have posted screenshots of into that pdf, but the images in the archived webpages don't work. It would be a good idea to get those messages together (maybe with their context in time too if possible), if everyone who has been messaging Chris on Twitter is reading this and could post them again.
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7fa95d No.4134
>>4131
>>4132
By the way, if you didn't already notice, there's an image version here (featuring some extra posts and possibly missing a few) >>3453
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b92360 No.4135
>>4132
>What kind of logarithmic spiralling fractal mushroom trip are we looking for here?
Would love to know. If I weren't already fucked up in the head, getting a My Little Pony set from the toy store (they sell these right?), adding a random generator and some fancy rotation code to the 3D VQC and taking too much acid could provide insights. Maybe make a slideshow out of Topol's art, not sure I would ever come back from that though
>>4133
Those damn humans…
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a8eda6 No.4136
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5cbb4c No.4137
So, re-read a few crumbs and had a breakthrough this eve!
Finally understood the problem: big square, little square, to the point I can picture the whole thing in mind clearly now.
That enabled an excel model to be put together to brute force it, which is working. Not efficient, but a step on a path.
It takes about 1 min to factor a 10-digit "c". Lots of extra functions and lookups being done that aren't needed for display purposes, and about 5000x more computationally intensive than needed (see comments below). Ironically, the our beloved 145 case takes about the same time, as it does what it does, isn't smart.
Attached are a couple examples (see pics):
c=2,171,394,821
e=71,980
a=42,043
b=51,647
Small square = 42,043
Large square = 4,802
and
c=9,806,432,891
e=111,893
a=91,583
b=107,077
Small square = 7,747
Large square = 99,330
Some of that time was to calculate "e" which wasn't even being used.
But, knowing the "e" column, thus providing the d-pattern(s), would drastically reduce the table created (this proto just did linear D, still works).
So look at pic in post >>4097 for n=1, in any column, the D value is already around 2250 by the 33rd row (element). That's a 70x reduction in the search space. And matching 2 columns as done in this proto, that means it's 70x squared, or a 5000x reduction. Get it out of excel, this thing should humm.
Hey VA - you could try this in excel, screencapped the formula for you.
Here's the algorithm if someone wants to code it, should be straightforward. One column in the table is D, next column is D^2, and next is C+D^2.
Basically, just using the INDEX_MATCH function. Return row in COL_A (the "D"), where D^2 (COL_C) = C+D^2 (COL_M). That is the Large Square, returned in COL_N (have extra columns hidden not needed for this from when exploring how e=0 grew). Then, COL_O is the D for that row. Once you have Large and Small square, just a matter of plus and minus to get "a" and "b" (and use the "" if Cols N and O are blank).
In the excel model, Columns R, S, T, U have the same info in first row, just using a MIN function to find them, as it's hard to scroll through 100,000 rows to find where the match occurred.
Big night with Q too - takedown in China (with juicy intel re: the window and techniques) and big pharma treadmill vs cures. YUUGE! Feels like a winning day all round!!!
Thanks for the motivation everyone!
Think we've got this now!!!
Also believe VQC let us go down the triangle and other paths, as even if we don't need that for step 1, we're going to need it soon enough, and we're learning math, and that's one of the goals.
BTW, everyone should read about the singer Chris Curtis as listed here: >>3862
That VQC is one clever Kiwi!!!
Not only a band called "The Searchers", read the whole archive, it's fun. Here's a snippet - note the tin-foil story, perfect for us conspeericy folks!
"Curtis's concept was a band with a core of three members: Curtis, Lord and Robbie Hewlett. The other musicians would be engaged whenever the core felt like it. "They would jump on and off the roundabout. But I left that party in a new band, Roundabout." said Lord.
Curtis would arrange for Daimler limousines to taxi him about and was charging the cost to Tony Edwards. Edwards realised that he had made a mistake agreeing to manage Curtis but he liked what he saw of Jon Lord. And Lord was also having problems with Curtis, who had started to use LSD. Lord returned from a few days away with The Flowerpot Men to find the entire flat covered in aluminium foil. Everything; even the furniture and the light bulbs.
Curtis moved out soon after this but he did tell Lord that he had a guitarist in mind for Roundabout. Curtis arranged for Ritchie Blackmore and his girlfriend to fly over from Hamburg, Germany and meet Tony Edwards. The meeting was a success for Blackmore, Edwards and Lord but they had no room for the erratic Curtis. They changed their name to Deep Purple and their first single was Joe South's "Hush", which Curtis had been playing in Lord's flat for months."
>>4117
>>4136
HERE HERE HERE!!!
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5cbb4c No.4138
>>4137
oops, late, types that one wrong, should be:
c=2,171,394,821
e=71,980
a=42,043
b=51,647
Small square = 4,802
Large square = 46,845
Attached 2 crumbs that led to this, as listed in the MAP above. One was a DM - please do share your DM's anons!
"Where we go one, we go all!"
"The Kingdom Of Heaven Is Inside You."
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add73d No.4139
>>4137
You don't need to search. Calculation is possible
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5cbb4c No.4141
>>4139
Right.
And in:
[71980,1]
where exactly are the 4802 and 46845, which should be 42,043 elements(?) apart.
And for:
[111893, 1]
the 7747 and 99330 values, which are 91583 apart (providing a).
^^^
I think the e's listed may be the f's, not to the floor (easy to adjust). But need to find in the cells.
Can use 115 (5x23 with e=15) to validate.
That's next, then back to the calcs.
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add73d No.4145
Good morning to all! Fresh bread.
I included my self-contained recursive tree generation code.
>>4140
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add73d No.4146
>>4141
na and nb for any c are n elements apart.
You might find my traversal code useful.
https://anonfile.com/TeH6q3d8bd/VQCGUI_v2.7z
The source code is included, I only put it in a JAR because there are a lot of classes and it has a neat theme
Example:
145 = 5 * 29
5*5 is 5 cells apart from 5*29 in (1,1).
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add73d No.4147
>>4116
Will do. We've discovered a lot. For example, the parity of n is known. Plus we've invented a ton of new algorithms, though none (yet) have beaten sieving. Another is that if gcd(e,d) isn't 0, it is a factor of c.
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add73d No.4148
>>4147
1* I mean. I'm going to love explaining to the cryptographers how it works when we find the solution.
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7fa95d No.4149
>>4148
That makes me think; how are we going to explain this to the world when it's done? Should we try to make some kind of long and concise text-based explanation, or should we turn it into a video with graphics and someone brave's voice, or what? I kind of just went with the text-based thing when I was trying to help the lurkers who can't code etc however long ago that was but it would be better to discuss and organize it rather than just having someone like me decide that they should do it all.
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add73d No.4150
>>4149
Yeah, I think so. There's gonna be a LOT of heat, probably in the news too.
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add73d No.4151
>>4149
We need to say it loud and clear, ANYONE can be a GENIUS!
I will definitely make an explanation of the VQC, fractals, the tree, and the final piece that ties it together when we find it.
Needs to be a picture too, so it spreads far and wide :-)
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8e44f0 No.4152
>>4149
You make it an open class with video series and different levels for people who comprehend this stuff vs people like me who have no earthly idea what you're talking about. Programming? Primes? Making the Matrix? The hell is a VIRTUAL Quantum Computer? Etc etc.
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7fa95d No.4153
>>4150
It's going to be really funny when mainstream news anchors try to explain how it happened. Every so often when a big tech thing happens I look for the reaction from TV news places just to watch them bumble around not knowing what the fuck they're talking about, e.g. when they talk about darknet drug markets, or the hacker known as 4chan.
>>4152
>people like me who have no earthly idea what you're talking about
This has been my thought since the start. The whole point of this disclosure is to make people aware that we have a fundamental misunderstanding of how mathematics works and to hopefully change the world for the better. When it is ready, it'll most likely seem like something only scholarly PhDs can grasp to everyone who hasn't been following along like us, at least at a surface glance. If we could explain everything from the ground up as simply as possible, it would greatly help in making this common knowledge instead of just being something that gets studied at high levels in universities behind literal and figurative closed doors. It's just a question of whether it would be enough to type it all out or if we'd need to put videos together (and if we put videos together instead of typing it all that implies that there wouldn't be a lot of reading involved, which implies that one of us has to record their voice, potentially de-anonymizing themselves), or if we could have a big infographic (it would have to be huge and there would likely be a fuck ton of text anyway). Any ideas?
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8e44f0 No.4154
>>4153
For starters, I'm about as anonymous as the sun, so if need be I can do the voiceover.
Second, i'm not completely clueless considering that I've gotten ahead of you guys on multiple occasions… not that I understood why or how but my head was in the right spot. This isn't rocket science. It's SecondLife Science.
As for how to essplain to the laymen, that's going to be infinitely easier when the equation/Genesis Cell/algorithm is finalized. You start by showing them how the Genesis Cell expands… make it a self contained download package/zip/rar with everything needed to operate the VQC for even the most computer illiterate. Plug'n'play.
Then we'll have TL;DR videos for the basic gist of it, then intermediate videos for the Math Savvy, and then advanced courses for the Programmers. Like I said… make this a class.
Show people what REAL education looks like.
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add73d No.4156
>>4154
We're educators now? I love it
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8e44f0 No.4157
>>4156
Been sayin' that for a while… lol
>>865
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a8eda6 No.4158
>>4154
That's a really cool idea man. I like the video idea. This is probably the most positive and up beat room on the internet. :)
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add73d No.4159
>>4157
You can create (e,n,t) w/ pen and paper.
You can calculate (e, N, T) w/ pen and paper.
You can calculate (e, 1, T) w/ pen and paper.
No programming necessary. I'll write down the equations in a sec.
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1d5a78 No.4161
>>4137
Thanks MM! I'll run your formulas later today!
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1d5a78 No.4162
Lol, Meme of the day so far over on /qresearch/
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add73d No.4164
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8e44f0 No.4165
This is just a reminder that we'll need new bread in about 10 posts or so.
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8e44f0 No.4166
OOOH! OOOH! I FOUND ANUDDER ONE!
https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centered_heptagonal_number
AND FUCK IT! I FOUND MORE ON TOP OF THAT!
https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Figurate_numbers
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3a9068 No.4170
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8e44f0 No.4171
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d1075e No.4172
>>4170
Lol. It works. Except when it doesn't!
VA - thanks for posting these and keeping in touch with Chris.
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add73d No.4173
>>4171
Open the catalog.
>>4170
I've already seen somewhat of how 0,n and e,1 are the same. You'll see that (0,n) or (0,n-1) contains c, and e,1 of course has the pattern of factors of n and factors of n-1.
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f2af50 No.4177
NEW BREAD
In case anyone missed Baker's earlier post:
>>4145
Thanks Baker!
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7fa95d No.4180
Don't mind me, just posting 6 more times so the thread's full and I can sticky the next one.
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7fa95d No.4181
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7fa95d No.4182
Different words so I don't trigger flood detection
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7fa95d No.4183
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7fa95d No.4184
Text text text text text text text text text typing typing typing typing typing typing words words words
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7fa95d No.4185
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