No.422301
So I've noticed there is a superficial similarity between medieval England and medieval Japan, which makes sense as both are island nations off the coast of powerful continental empires. They both possess semi-noble warrior classes possessing warrior codes, hierarchical feudal governments, deeply supernatural worldviews and cultures along with other similarities. Of course these are superficial similarities like I said, if you analyze the reasons and purposes and mindset behind it all they are vastly different but it got me thinking what would a setting fusing these two cultures at their meeting points look like?
> tl:dr I'm too lazy to do my own worldbuilding so I try to trick you into doing it for me
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No.422318
Some things from the top of my head:
>Scottish Highlanders with Ainu-inspired bear worship and animistic religion
>Pagan/Shinto polytheism of the Anglo-Saxon/Celtic natives is oppressed and in a silent war with the Christian monotheism introduced by a foreign (Norman) ruler.
>Norman ruler technically is the "English" king by grace of god (and military might), but the various minor kingdoms still keep infighting like crazy, especially the Northern provinces
>Pirates from unruly territories constantly launch raids against the neighboring islands and coastal provinces, while the island itself has faced repeated invasions by foreign powers trying to push their right to the English throne.
>Knights are split between those who follow the Christian code of chivalry and those who follow the more traditional code of Not!Bushido.
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No.422331
>>422318
>Scottish Highlanders with Ainu-inspired bear worship and animistic religion
I was thinking just this right before coming back to check on the thread, maybe have them be cynocephalics/kappa/tengu beastman yokai. Largely a race of tricksters, rebels and malcontents who dominate small northern island chains but regularly circulate through out the main islands as wanderers and divinators .They are shunned from polite society and the government at large clamps down on their freedom to move or even exist but virtually everyone consults them for medicine, fortune-telling and wisdom for how to deal with hardships. In their own islands they live barbarically, humans have a civilizing effect on them but absent that influence they exists in constantly shifting confederations of clans fighting one another, uniting only to repel attempts by humans to settle or conquer their lands.
> >Pagan/Shinto polytheism of the Anglo-Saxon/Celtic natives is oppressed and in a silent war with the Christian monotheism introduced by a foreign (Norman) ruler.
What if it was more of a Budhist/Shinto syncretism thing with Christian overtones. The not normans/chinese export their more "civilized" religion to the islands but it is understood in a distinctly "native" context. My initial idea would be the veneration of some sort of Will of Heaven a semi-theistic deity is more an expression of a philosophy of life and moral conduct than a full fledged God in his heaven, though there is one the religion's focused more so on obedience to the divine order than a doctrinal defined identity of who God is. Holy men of particular virtue or mighty deed gain a saintly status and resemble traditional japanese kami. These kami-saints are the objects of common worship and veneration and are immortals that can wander the lands and pass freely between the mortal world and the heavenly realm. There are evil kami-saints who in their lives lived so wretchedly or in such stubborn opposition to the Will of Heaven that they have been cursed to live eternally as beings of malice and evil, never knowing joy or rest again.
The yokai beastmen of the north in contrast practice a kind of communal ancestor worship, every family/clan possesses a sort of gestalt spirit that the soul is believed to be united to on death and loyalty to the clan, winning victories in battle for the clain, doing something that honors the clain or brings it fame and prestige pleases the clan-spirit and ensures that you will become a significant part of the spirit, the greatest of those are in a way thought to take over the spirit as the other ancestors recognize that persons primacy to the clans legacy and as such venerating a heroic and legendary ancestor might become a proxy for the clan-spirit as a whole. In some instances places and objects can acquire their own collective spirits, a legendary sword passed from master to student over a hundred generations might be possessed by a spirit formed from the souls of it's wielders. A place where an incredibly large and gruesome battle took might be possessed by a spirit formed from the souls of the warriors who died on the battlefield or if a clan is wiped out the clan spirit might come to dwell on their ancestral lands and the union of two clans may combine the spirits into something even greater. Importance is thus placed on the place of ones death so that their soul is not trapped away from the clan.
>Norman ruler technically is the "English" king by grace of god (and military might), but the various minor kingdoms still keep infighting like crazy, especially the Northern provinces
Perfect
> >Pirates from unruly territories constantly launch raids against the neighboring islands and coastal provinces, while the island itself has faced repeated invasions by foreign powers trying to push their right to the English throne.
Also good stuff
> >Knights are split between those who follow the Christian code of chivalry and those who follow the more traditional code of Not!Bushido.
Maybe the original knightly/samurai class was composed of beast-man auxiliaries or the warrior tradition was developed by humans in northern regions near to the where they lived and so the chivalric code developed in a context of doing honor to the spirits of the knightly orders that rose up. Maybe it was a mix of beastmen who were exiled from their clans and families for various reasons living with human criminals or outcasts and so when the new religion of Heaven was adopted by the ruling class the warrior orders lagged behind in adopting the new religion held on to their traditional beliefs and practices. Maybe there's some development of a belief that the Will of Heaven is the spirit which holy men's souls join but because they are blessed with immortality they are joined to it in eternal life rather than after death and that's the source of their powers.
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No.422335
Take your weeaboo shit else where. You're comparing glorified rice farmers to one of the most powerful nations in history because they both used swords
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No.422336
>>422335
Cry more, faggot,
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No.422338
>>422335
History being the keyword there, disgusting chav.
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No.422340
>>422335
He is saying 'medieval' you idiot. Both nations were regional powers at best at that time if even that.
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No.422349
>I have no connection to my native culture tehrefore I can only compare to a culture that I'm more familiar wiith like the japanese one because I'm a dirty weeb although I can't be japanese since I'm not racially one.
Deterritorialization at it's finest
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No.422351
>>422318
In this buddhism is the comparison, eventually the druidic faith is incorporated as an interpretation of gospel, with the fae representing various figures of the lore or antediluvian races. Saint Izanagi the Hellequin, patron saint of Kings and clowns.
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No.422372
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>>422335
>>422349
> these fucking implications
Motherfucker, I can trace my paternal line back to the late 1400's with a good degree of certainty, an ancestral grandfather of mine was Lord Mayor of London, another co-founded the British East India company, another was awarded land by his state for his service in the American Revolution, I have grandfathers who have served in nearly every American conflict since this country was founded and if not for a pre-existing medical condition beyond my control I would have joined them in serving my country, a country that was founded after my family had been on this continent for for than a century, arriving to settle in the first permanent English colony in north America. There are landmarks that have been named for men in my family.
You would presume to trigger my autism by questioning my pedigree. my sense of heritage and cultural identity? I'm one of the last motherfuckers in this part of the country that can claim an unbroken line of Colonial descent so adulterated the local population has become with foreign european bloodlines. What are you? Some Pakistani mixed-skin who wishes ever so desperately he had a birthright half as worthy as mine?
I'm trying to have fun with pretend-time fantasy battle simulators so unless you've got a dick to measure in this little contest you're trying to stir up, go fuck yourself.
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No.422374
Oh shit, one major difference that would play into the religious aspect.
Japan's shintoism got a major boost in their concept of self identity by the two failed chinese invasions, swept away by the kamikaze, and by the illicit Christian tracts being compared to their homegrown philosophy.
The Norman conquest should be the only complete and "successful" conquest, marking it as the one bearing the Mandate of Heaven. This gives a founding legitimacy in the eyes of natives and rulers alike, and adds an extra zeal in the purging of the baka wealas. The Chanks may share the same letters but they're devilfrogs wearing human skin. Maybe the Rom-Hans tried to cross the strait in the distant past but never succeeded.
If the scotch are ainu, does that make irish koreans? Corsica as Taiwan? Many odds and ends.
Funnily DSII is the only bit of fiction I can find that tried to cross eastern and western full plate
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No.422378
>>422374
That's a great idea. After all if after a half dozen failed invasions the people who succeed are the ones saying that they come to establish the divine order in your lands, even if you resent them it's hard to not see why they think they're so special.
> Maybe the Rom-Hans tried to cross the strait in the distant past but never succeeded
This could be the basis for some kind of Aruthurian hero who sought revenge on them by crossing over himself and conquering them back, even if there is no basis to the legend, especially if there is no basis for the legend it can actually play into the "normans" who say that the ancients who failed to invade proved that unless you possessed the mandate of heaven you couldn't be the true king of Japangland. Even doubly so if the rom-hans persecuted the followers of Heaven in ancient times.
On that note we could frame the setting as occuring during the rule of Alfred the great with the "Christian" clans/states fighting against a "danelaw" of sort borrowing elements from the Genko war and Sengoku period.
> does that make irish koreans
flesh it out and I don't see why not, I don't know much about korean history so I have no idea how to brainstorm that one.
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No.422379
>>422349
Western, white culture has been stagnant for a long time, especially because of (((foreign influence))) (eg Jews). The Jews fear the Samurai.
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No.422409
>If you take the same species of animal and place it under the same conditions twice the same thing happens.
Shocking truth!
But sarcasm aside its largely because both were tribal folk who were colonised by an empire they then rebuked. The old tribes stick around in terms of dialects and regional customs but they were a closed environment bruteforced to unity by an imperial dictatorship from the mainland continent nearby. In both cases thinking it was rich land with natives you could turn into serfs but they taught them too well and caused a far more unified and enduring culture to spring up that would totally outlast them.
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No.422421
All Hallows Festival is a three day celebration and ancestor worship culminating on the second full moon of October. In it children dress up as monsters while the parents take the role of shrine maiden or priest respectively, to properly 'guide' the monster on the right path. Many treats and games are made specifically for these days, and at the end the Wild Hunt occurs where the children are to chase the Reaper back to the graveyard, saying farewell to family and loved ones who visited in spirit.
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No.422442
>>422335
>>422349
Oi mate you got a license for that post?
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No.422444
Scattered across the Land of the Setting Sun are many stones arranged into boxes like the stony remains of long-eroded burial mounds. These are commonly believed to be the residences of yokai princes who will revenge themselves on humanity if slighted by riding forth and shooting the people in the surrounding region with demon-arrows that bring sickness and death.
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No.422456
Don't even bother giving the subhuman spammer the (you)s it desires.
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No.422460
>>422374
You could have the Emperor be a literal god or the vassal for one. To limit them to setting background instead of Elminster, say that, lolipope style, they lose most of their powers beyond their homeland.
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No.422560
>>422301
Don’t forget to include a Robin Hood/Ishikawa Goemon fusion in your setting, some kind of gentleman thief/genial highwayman.
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No.422647
>>422372
>another co-founded the British East India company
So one of your ancestors was partly responsible for one of the most cancerous entities to ever exist?
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No.422743
>>422301
You really think so OP?
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No.422887
>>422336
🎣
>>422374
> one major difference that would play into the religious aspect.
> Japan's shintoism got a major boost in their concept of self identity by the two failed chinese invasions, swept away by the kamikaze, and by the illicit Christian tracts being compared to their homegrown philosophy.
Why illicit?
> The Norman conquest should be the only complete and "successful" conquest, marking it as the one bearing the Mandate of Heaven
(back to /tg/) Now let's mod Birthright for both?
>>422460
So you didn't read on FR beyond the Wankerfox Conspectum? Ah, minions… :>
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No.423655
I've talked to lots of nationalists or generally people proud of their heritage and all of them have GENUINE 100% PROOF that their country is totally like Japan.
>Japan is like Germany because lots of historically separate states unified into one by an emperor, also work culture
>Japan is like Pre-soviet Russia because Imperial tradition and agrarian caste
>Japan is like France because arts and perverted
>Japan is like Pagan Greece because polytheistic religion and similar mindsets
etc. etc.
In truth, there are very little points of intersections and people just want to find common ground to prove their country is related to Japan. Because let's admit it, Japan is pretty cool. And you don't really have any common history to rely on, so you're going with shit like
>they had tea ceremonies and we do teasets, that makes us the same.
As a sidenote, the english are some of the worst races in the history of mankind, so comparing them with isolationist japs is comparing a jew to a samurai. And I don't even mean it in a "english empire was very mean to black pepo" way, when you're killing starving peasants for stealing bread and sending 9 year olds to the coal mines there's something wrong with you as a people.
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No.423668
>>423655
Eyy, they also stopped doing the bad things too. Hell, most things are bad because they made a point of saying so.
This leads to a point of contention in the mashup. Prescriptive law vs common law. The Japs have a tendency to do law on a case by case basis, being lenient on the poor and super strict on higher castes. The English however treat law like a fire, if you cross certain points you will be burned to the fullest extent of the heat you take. The whole Magna Carta Libertatum was a power play by the nobles to say that even the king was not above the law.
Then there is ofcourse the Roman option of two orators telling off each other in front of a jury, which may have survived in the Welsh for a time.
These avenues of justice may have no synthesis, and are likely mutually exclusive. Either indivual rights, societal cohesion, or reputations/honor come first.
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No.423670
>>423668
British aristocracy "giving freedoms" to their subjects is really one of the most rosy tinted fairy tales and egregious examples of putting the cart before the horse. Common Law was more of a case of a state stepping too far in demands upon the locals, and needing to placate them by agreeing with their values, than some benign king deciding all of a sudden that everybody is an individual.
Everything "good" the british elite did is propaganda by said elite, if you look closer, you'll always have pragmatic reason for them to remove certain obligation or prohibition.
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No.424208
>>422335
Based
Any weeb who will dare and compare a mighty nation chosen by our Heavenly Father himself to spread light and light of Christendom and civilisation in general throughout the world to that overglorified heathen subhumans should be hanged drawn and quartered.
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No.424213
>>423655
>>423670
You're aware that most modern schools of moral thought originate from Christian British philosophers and humanists, right? Like the exact value system that you probably hold right now was conceived and shaped by the English. If you think what they did was bad, it's because they realized it. They introduced rights for workers, they introduced protections for children, they introduced animal rights, they put a stop to slavery and then made it a point to flex their imperial muscle and put a stop to it wherever they could. Not to mention all the things that >>423668 mentioned in regards to legality. You're tunnel visioned with your bias to hate the English, so you miss the fact that they were responsible for more good than evil.
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No.424423
>>424213
>You're aware that most modern schools of moral thought originate from Christian British philosophers and humanists, right?
They literally don't.
>Like the exact value system that you probably hold right now was conceived and shaped by the English
It wasn't.
>If you think what they did was bad, it's because they realized it.
They didn't realize it.
Sage.
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