No.32455 [Last50 Posts]
According to Screenrant it is Luke`s fault that Palpatine returns in Episode 9 (and there is a logic hole in Return of the Jedi)
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-original-ending-emperor-force-ghost/
Can somebody explain their thought process? According to the EU, most Sith Lords don't return as force ghosts or if they return they have far less power
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Force_ghost
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No.32456
Vader got a force ghost because he turned to the light side. Whoever wrote that article is a big dumb.
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No.32457
>>32455
>Screenrant
Don't bother with those tards. They're just shilling for IX.
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No.32458
>The image seems somewhat quaint by today's standards, and far more of a "happy ending" moment than most modern blockbusters allow.
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No.32459
>>32455
I'm so fucking sick of these assholes and I'm really sick to death of Disney. Get me off this ride. I want off.
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No.32468
>>32455
>Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker looks to address the ignorance, obliviousness, and reckless stupidity of Luke and, if we're being honest, the audience, too
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No.32471
>Man Luke is such a RETARD, I mean look at how he FAILED AT EVERYTHING HE DID, good thing we have heroes for our generation, like Rey or Rose!
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No.32473
>>32455
The only logic hole in ROTJ is the idea that undomesticated teddy bears could defeat legions of the Empire's best troops.
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No.32477
These “people” are fucking retarded.
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No.32478
>>32473
>The only logic hole is the idea that the Nazis could be defeated by a bunch of niggers
COPE
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No.32479
>>32468
FINALLY, someone will take that BASTARD Luke Skywalker down a notch! Is there any character more HATED???
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No.32483
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No.32486
>>32455
>Can somebody explain their thought process?
<nom nom nom i love the taste of cooperate cock please gib us shekels disney
Not that hard.
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No.32493
>>32483
viets arent cute and fluffy though
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No.32546
this kind of clickbait is on par with "snoke is plagueis because music cues OHOHOHO SO CLEVER"
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No.32553
Doubt they put much thought into it other than "make more references".
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No.32635
>>32473
>logic hole
the rebellion is literally there fighting the battle, the ewoks are just providing assistance, a la >>32483
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No.32649
>>32635
Nope. How a team which could be acommodated inside a lamba transport, whch was about 20 people or something more could do something against a garrison? The ewoks who were done the fighting even if as fodder.
But the real hole was how the garrison commanders were utterly retarded.
>they don't execute the rebel leaders on spot
>ok, they capture them with orders to deliver them to the DS
>but instead of immediately abscondely them inside the bunker or dispatching them to the DS/fleet they round up them in the open
>instead of executing them in the moment they get themselves surprised by the ewoks, they break formation, let them escape and give chase to the natives, instead of a recognized rebel team which they would obviously knew that were there to blow up the shield generator
>fuck they knew about the rebel presence in the moon the moment they landed, up to the Emperor himself
>they go chase teddy bears
>Leia got shot and they still try to make prisioners
>no monitoring of the battle from inside the bunker to the point of Chewbacca and ewoks hijacking an AT-ST and nobody inside being none the wiser
>Han Solo deceiving the garrison
>nobody asks for identification
>durr hurr we will open the bunker and send squads to help just because an AT-ST driver told us so, without mention to rank or anything
>a critical military installation, garrisoned by "an entire legion" of best troops which surrenders the moment the rebels point a gun, instead of figthing to the last man
>oh but it was the back door, the garrison were smaller there
>nobody had comlinks to inform and coordinate themselves and relocate troops
>a base in full alert, with the enemy identified and in the open yet uncapable of killing about 30 rebels.
That was the logic hole. The shield generator would never be destroyed if the imperial army acted like a real army.
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No.32658
>>32478
Russians aren't like Ewoks.
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No.32687
>>32649
>20 people
pretty sure it was implied there was more than 20 saboteurs. also the rebel fleet arriving definitely stopped the arrival of reinforcements.
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No.32697
>>32687
30? 40? How many people you can shove inside a lambda ship?
>also the rebel fleet arriving definitely stopped the arrival of reinforcements.
The Emperor mentioned "an entire legion" of his best troops. Even if he's speaking hyperbolically, it was clear that it was waay much more than a sabouteur team cramped in a single shuttle.
> rebel fleet arriving definitely stopped the arrival of reinforcements.
The rebel fleet was outnumbered and had to rely in a suicidal tactic of going to blank range/ramming just to survive against the DS.
>"We'll last longer than we will against that Death Star! And we might just take a few of them with us".
The empire could perfect send troops to the moon, in case of the garrison down there not being enough, which it was in all cases.
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No.32703
>>32697
and yet rice farmers were able to hold off against the US Army and South Vietnam, along with other coalition members.
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No.32737
>>32468
'Star Wars fans are ded, they don't have to be your audience anymore', btw fuck every SJWite film 'critic' we get these days.
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No.32745
>>32703
First the North Vietnamese army that was on the offensive. The South Vietnam military was a joke and the country was a mess. Second , the US had the military upper hand all the time, their objective was to avoid a communist take over of the south. From a military point of view they achieved that the south only fell aftter they withdraw from the region. They never went there to topple the Hanoi regime (which was backed by China).
Ewoks were not vietcongs neither the north vietnamese army. Neither the rebel team. It was a single demolitions team against an entire garrison of supposed elite troops. The ewoks were meat shields, fodder, a distraction.
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No.32784
>>32745
>The ewoks were meat shields, fodder, a distraction.
right you are, the rebels used guerilla attacks while the ewoks were like HEY LOOK AT MY TINY BROWN WIENER to the empire. and even then, the rebel forces were still captured and rounded up until the ewoks were like "wait we can use guns lol" and then they started using guerilla attacks. so basically, it was a few hundred imperials versus a score or two of rebels and the entire ewok populace of the general area. sorry but there's really not much to spin this in favor of the empire. the only part that gets iffy is the fact that like no rebels were ever killed, it was all ewoks and imps dying.
the real question though, is why vader let luke & them land in the first place. he very much knew they were on the ship, though palpatine did not. was vader possibly using the force to mask his presence?
ok, i'm rewatching some sheev scenes from jedi, it was all part of his plan. my guess is he purposely put a small detachment on the forest moon since the overall plan was to have the entire rebel fleet show up and get picked off simply by a game of numbers, since he also figured the amount of imperials on the moon would be enough to stop the 2 squadrons. so this is sheev being overconfident and fucking up.
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No.32797
>>32784
He said 'an entire legion' which implies he thought it was overkill.
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No.32887
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>>32784
>it was a few hundred imperials versus a score or two of rebels and the entire ewok populace of the general area. sorry but there's really not much to spin this in favor of the empire.
It does in the sense that the place was supposed to garrison "an entire legion" of the Empire's best troops, who act like some buffons. The criticism isn't against the rebels or the teddy bears (who actually acted more like real troops than the imperials) but against the braindead Empire's troops.
>is why vader let luke & them land in the first place. he very much knew they were on the ship, though palpatine did not. was vader possibly using the force to mask his presence?
Vader knew that Luke would go after him. Remember that both sense each other in the Force before the rebel landing. It was their familial bond that make it possible, that's why Palpatine didn't felt anything at first. That's why he inquires Vader which amounts to "hey, are you hiding something from me?"
>since he also figured the amount of imperials on the moon would be enough to stop the 2 squadrons
Even so that doesn't justfiy the troops in the bunker acting like fucking morons
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No.32888
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Look at this shit.
They don't ask for any further information, doesn't confirm the identity of the driver, nothing. He just send "3 squads" to help to the open when they don't really know how many hostile teddy bears where around.
When said squads go out? They simply surrender. They were supposed to be fanaticaly loyal stormtrooper soldiers
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No.32889
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Now look at this bigger shit.
The rebels were less than 20. The imperials, for some reason, made a parade surrounding them, just to look mean. The droids appear and instead of shooting them from afar (who knows if they were rigged with explosives?) they go and try to capture them. All the time the rebels were just there in the open. And all the troops are facing inward, nobody outside the walkers are watching the perimeter. The scout troops only go to their bikes after the ewok attack.
Cue the ewoks, what the troops do? THEY FUCKING SCATTER! They don't give any priority to the rebels at hand. The officers run like girls to the bunker amd that's it. The ewoks attack and before one of them give the horn call the troops with the rebels don't do a thing.
The unarmed prisioners? They are capable of overpower their armed captors who just start to run wildly instead of shooting at them, AT FUCKING POINT BLANK RANGE, AT FUCKING CONTACT RANGE.
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No.32906
>>32889
>>32887
>>32888
ok so then i think we can all agree that george wrote himself into a corner and just relied on stupidity and audience ignorance to sell this battle.
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No.32908
>>32906
He mumbled something about the ewoks being like vietnamese and that it was supposed to be with wookies.
But i guess nobody back them considered the aspect of how the Empire troops behaved and always talked about "ok, that's ridiculous. Teddy bears with spears and rocks can't beat armor and lasers".
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No.32910
>>32908
I think he didn't want to use wookies and kashyyyk because of the backlash over the holiday special.
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No.32915
>>32910
that's a possibility, but the official reasoning is costume budgeting and finding people, it was easier to get a room full of little people and children than it was to find people consistently 6'5" and up.
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No.32917
>>32915
Couldn't they have just used elevator shoes and given them longer claws?
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No.32918
>>32917
this is 1982 we're talking about, people didn't think with portals back then.
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No.32929
>>32917
Perhaps they thought on that, but the extensions would have made the movements for the battle hard as hell, so they simply stick for the ewoks.
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No.32930
>>32929
Even aside from extensions, wookies would have a lot less room for clumsiness than ewoks. With the teddy bears you expect them to bumble around, and it would actually look strange for them not to. Whereas the wookies need to be genuinely capable warriors to a degree, and that would be harder to manage in the costumes.
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No.32955
>>32697
>>32687
According to the Lambda shuttle Legends article, it could hold "more than 20 soldiers", or, "20+ passengers". Assuming that the rebels used all available space and really crammed guys in there, I don't think it would be reasonable to expect they had more than 30 saboteurs on board the Tydirium in RotJ.
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No.32975
>>32889
Oh and didn't noticed. LEIA SUDDENLY HAVE A GUN. Was she armed all the time? She asspulled it? She shoots an AT-ST drive who was outside it in the middle of a fight, JUST BECAUSE.
AND HOW ARROWS PENETRATE STORMTROOPER ARMOR LIKE THAT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SMALL BOWS MANNED BY SMALL CREATURES WITH STUBBY HANDS. HOW SUCH THING CAN POSSESS KINETIC FORCE TO BREACH MILITARY GRADE PROTECTION? THEY WERE NOT FUCKING MONGOLS OR ENGLISH BOWMEN.
Seriously, the more i rewatch the more mad i become.
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No.32976
>>32975
Seriously… an arrow in the back in the most armored part of the scout trooper suit… and kills him.
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No.32991
>>32976
Endor was an inside job.
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No.32992
>it's a Disney shills shit on George thread
Shut the fuck up fags. Enjoy your shitty Star Wars and leave us true fans to mourn.
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No.32993
>>32992
>criticism of SW
>Disney
Lucas bashing is quite old, specially in the more retarded parts (Special Editions alterations, ewoks, Jar Jar, plot holes, etc) a sport practiced by the fandom by a long time. It's a love-hate relationship with Georgie Boy.
Disney doesn't exist, it isn't SW, we're discussing RoTJ.
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No.32994
>>32992
This essentially. I love George, but there's nothing wrong with making light jabs at ROTJ or the prequels because there's no hate in it, unlike the way Disneyfags and RLM types handle it who are just oozing with hate towards both the product and the man which is just retarded.
Pic related
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No.32998
>>32993
Disney does exist though. You're reverting to the griping and shit flinging that caused George to sell.
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No.33000
>>32994
>laser swords cut and don't burn
I see. Disney's canon is as deep as Jake Skywalker.
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No.33003
>>32998
No, Lucas sold because of billions of dollars and getting tired of doing the same shit. He never cared about people's criticism. He always did what he wanted.
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No.33004
>>33003
>It isn't my fault
Yes it is. Lucas gave the 'fans' what they wanted.
>hurr he got his billionz
Which he gave away.
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No.33005
>>32455
>According to the EU
The EU is dead
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No.33007
>>33005
It will always live on in our hearts. They can never take that away.
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No.33019
>>33005
Why are you treating Disney as "Word of God" you faggot?
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No.33049
>>33005
And yet I'd rather spend time with it's corpse than the "alive" Disney sequel trilogy.
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No.33059
>>33000
checking this dub/trips combo but lightsabers can cause bleeding, it's been canon since episode 4 my guy
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No.33125
>Of course, once you stop and consider the events that have just transpired… it's shocking to think that Luke Skywalker could actually be this dumb. But for thirty-five years Star Wars fans have been just as willing to ignore the MASSIVE red flags as Luke. But finally, Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker looks to address the ignorance, obliviousness, and reckless stupidity of Luke and, if we're being honest, the audience, too.
Fuggn hell, m8. Someone get this garbage outta here.
>>32908
Lasers only work if you can aim them.
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No.33187
>>32455
>According to the EU, most Sith Lords don't return as force ghosts or if they return they have far less power
I've always thought that was kind of lame. It just seemed like a way to keep the Obi Wan ghost around without having Palpatine come back in the same way, but I'm not sure how to fix that because you certainly couldn't say that he was less powerful in the Force than Obi Wan.
I think that with the current theme being letting the past die, Luke will probably end up destroying the Force, or at least all of the force ghosts. Or rather Rey will.
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No.33209
>>33187
actually, if you think about it, most cases of sith ghosts weren't like force ghosts, but rather their spirits escaping death and lingering around the galaxy. only in cases of say exar kun or the valley of the dark lords in kotor and jedi academy did you have actual sith spirits return from the grave, and even then it's a case-by-case thing. so really it's not wrong, it's just a prude statement because anytime it gets brought up faggots like filoni get snippy about it.
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No.33211
>>33187
if I'm not mistaken, Sith can 'transfer essence' into a clone or an artifact to cheat death. the Jedi, on the other hand, accept death and eventually become one with the Force. before they completely ascend, they retain their individuality within the Force for awhile, which allows them to return as a force ghost. at least, this is my understanding of the matter.
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No.33249
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>>32455
There are Sith spirits but Sith spirits cannot live on their own like the Jedi ones can and thus require a vehicle, usually someone seeking them out in order for the Sith spirit to materialize.
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