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Just stumbled across this video on jewtube. It asserts that many elements of TLJ's story as well as it's press signal narcissistic abuse all for the end purpose of psychological warfare. I pretty strongly agree and wanted to start a discussion about it here.
Do you agree that TLJ was more than just a poorly written movie? What other elements of Disney's Star Wars act as a subtle indoctrination to Marxism? What other elements of Disney's Star Wars act as psychological abuse to the Star Wars audience?
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No.28704
>>28679
>here are anecdotes
Worthless. We can see the evidence and the voting patterns are clear.
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No.28737
>>28692
George would've just given them different names by the end. He was always willing to partly compromise for the sake of the fanbase, unlike Disney. Also, a film never ends up exactly like its conceptual phase or its first draft. What we're seeing now probably would never have even made it into George's final product.
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No.28741
>>28680
>use that sex appeal to accrue power and influence
Because the nature of that usage isn't complex. Making that pussy pop for someone with money ain't exactly rocket science. She's selling herself, which means she's only as "genius" as any actor, model or whore. She was simply fortunate enough to be noticed by Spielberg (and there's very little to suggest it was anything more than luck). He was an up and coming director at the time and needed a PA. Big whoop.
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No.28746
>>28741
You're trying to argue with a schizophrenic and contrarian idiot incapable of any reason. Disney execs are the only ones with any brains, but that faggot actually believes Kennedy is part of some Disney (or greater) Illuminati.
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No.28766
>>28746
>Hurrr, all my enemies are dumb
>Y do I keep losing tho?
Just because you dislike someone, doesn't mean they are stupid. Just because someone does bad things does not mean they are stupid. Stop viewing intelligence through the lens of your own morality. If Kennedy is so stupid, why is she more influential than you? If you're so smart, why can't you influence the world at the same level she does?
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No.28769
>>28766
>all
>continuing to put words in our mouths to keep going
Just get out already.
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No.28771
>>28769
>Hurrrr, stop actually taking what I say at face value
>You need to intrepret the dumb bullshit I spout in a way that makes me not seem dumb
Where's the evidence that Kathleen Kennedy is stupid? Her being dumb is a meme spread by idiots who don't like what she's done and who are too afraid to admit that people can be both smart and evil. Just give one example of her being stupid. Being a bitch does not equal being stupid, saying things that make you angry does not equal being stupid.
And before you low IQ faggots acuse me of being a Disney apologist, which I know you will, because you associate smartness with goodness and you can't comprehend viewing someone you dislike as competent, no, I don't like Disney Wars, I absolutely despise it. When you underestimate your enemies you set yourself up for failure, even if Kathleen was a drooling retard, which she's not, you should assume she's a genius so you stay on your toes. Remember how all you retards we're excited about her getting fired over Solo because some dipshit YouTuber who makes gossip videos told you she would be? Do you know what type of people believe unsubstantiated rumors simply because they like what they imply? Those people are called naive fools, useful idiots, cattle.
Now go ahead and report me again like you did in that other thread so the hot Pocket can come and delete all my posts since you don't know how to argue with them.
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No.28772
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No.28773
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No.28776
>>28771
At least keep your attention-whoring to one board, I wouldn't want /strek/ to be filled with posts about how getting even normalfags to dislike what you've done to the brand is some sort of Hollywood 4D chess. Sure, these people may be as smart as you claim- but that doesn't mean shit when the stuff they're making is now generally disliked. Marketing can't save the reputation of a dying corporation.
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No.28777
>>28771
>Now go ahead and report me again like you did in that other thread so the hot Pocket can come and delete all my posts since you don't know how to argue with them.
So you were the one responsible for all that spam and false flagging across numerous threads? Why are you acting as if that's something acceptable? Of course you're gonna get reported for being a spamming and shitposting faggot. The fuck is wrong with you, you paranoid loony?
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No.28780
>>28654
>>28680
When using your body to acquire a position that requires creativity and intelligence, yeah then you're pretty damn stupid, especially when after you get the job, you prove that you lack either quality. It doesn't take a genius bitch to use her body to get ahead in life. Its practically a primitive instinct that's pre-written into them. She who fucks the tribal chief gets to sleep in the chief's fancy hut and eat his fancy grub.
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No.28781
>>28777
>>28776
>>28773
>>28772
>Not a single example of how she is stupid
Pathetic.
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No.28782
Kennedy is obviously not dumb. She is malicious. This is about destroying and corrupting what white males like. If you believe, 'it's about money' or 'they're retards' you're delusional.
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No.28783
>>28781
>approved the decision to nuke continuity and alienate long-time fans from the get go
>allowed nuWars writers to waste their "creative freedom" on rehashes of old EU content and recycle the plot of A New Hope instead of doing anything original, further alienating old fans, those who hated the EU, and new fans alike
>allowed Star Wars game rights to handed over to EA instead of maintaining LucasArts as a dev studio
>did nothing to prevent the train wreck that is TLJ, alienating all fans even further
The burden of proof is still on you Alderaani.
>>28782
Never make the mistake of assuming the two are mutually exclusive in any way. It doesn't take some sort of genius to subvert and destroy, merely the ignorance of the target is required.
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No.28787
>approved the decision to nuke continuity and alienate long-time fans from the get go
>allowed nuWars writers to waste their "creative freedom" on rehashes of old EU content and recycle the plot of A New Hope instead of doing anything original, further alienating old fans, those who hated the EU, and new fans alike
>allowed Star Wars game rights to handed over to EA instead of maintaining LucasArts as a dev studio
>did nothing to prevent the train wreck that is TLJ, alienating all fans even further
So she subverted Star Wars and degraded an important part of American culture. How does that make her stupid? Once again, her doing things that make you angry does not make her stupid. You are assuming her intentions were to please Star Wars fans, and because she failed to do that, she's stupid. When it should be obvious that that was never her agenda. So you are judging her from a faulty framework.
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No.28788
>Never make the mistake of assuming the two are mutually exclusive in any way. It doesn't take some sort of genius to subvert and destroy, merely the ignorance of the target is required.
Being and idiot implies incompetence, and yet she has succeeded in destroying everything we like about Star Wars. If she was an idiot, then we would still be seeing the occasional good piece of Star Wars content as she wouldn't be able to stop it from coming into existence. And yet we aren't seeing that, there is a continuity of themes, messages, and narratives in all of Disney Wars. An idiot could not pull that off. I stand by the fact that she is a smart bitch. You all keep on saying it's the Disney Execs who are the real smart guys, while forgetting to realize that she is also an Executive who's been in Hollywood for decades. If she was so stupid, she would not have lasted this long.
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No.28789
>>28787
She made the cultural juggernaut that is Star Wars unprofitable and devoid of wider interest, which I doubt was the purpose of Disney purchasing Lucasfilm. It is now biting into the parent company. Her reputation is now tarnished, whatever the newsmedia squawks.
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No.28790
>>28696
Eat Bantha Poodoo Skug. This thread is about more than just politics.
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No.28793
>>28787
>>28788
Again, in an industry full of leftists that isn't exactly much of an accomplishment. If she was actually competent at that goal, the propaganda would be hidden within works that are actually good. It's hard to call Disney Lucasfilm that when more than half the writers can't keep their shitty politics to themselves for long enough to actually think of a competent way to integrate them into the stories they write.
And you forget that nepotism and cronyism are very real things in the entertainment industry. You don't need to actually be competent as long as you know the right people. If she was actually competent, we wouldn't be having this conversation- as the subversion would be be to slow to notice until it reached a critical point some years from now.
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No.28794
>>28789
>Made star Wars unprofitable
Source? Someone is celebrating prematurely as idiots tend to do. The war has only just begun. At best Solo is a single battle that we won, but one battle does not win a war. If Episode 9 is profitable you will have egg on your face, I hope Episode 9 is a flop, but I'm not going to act like it's a sure thing. Our biggest hurdle is going to be the Mandalorian which they will use to try to bring back all the dudebro faggots with Bob's Fett tattoos and Darth Maul shirts. They are putting that out before Episode 9 for a reason.
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No.28795
>if she was actually competent at that goal, the propaganda would be hidden within works that are actually good
That's a lot of assumptions. The purpose of what she's doing could truly be demoralization. Make absolutely disgusting garbage and try to browbeat the public into liking it, causing emotional stress and durress in Star Wars fans who are forced to watch as something they love is raped while the critics cheer on the rape.
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No.28802
>>28771
The issue isn't that she's stupid; no-one is claiming that. The issue is that you're claiming her use of her body is the main indicator of her intelligence, which, as >>28741 points out, doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
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No.28803
>>28795
Well obviously that tactic backfired severely. Even on outlets favorable to the mouse, you see tons of comments critical of the new films, canon, and the people behind it before they get their comments deleted. Backpedaling on poor decisions and trying to claim that they actually are part of some grand plan is not the tactic of someone who is winning.
It's certainly possible that is indeed the case, but I find it more likely that nuLucasfilm is just full of incompetent shits that can't do anything but destroy what they touch. You're not entirely wrong, but it's easily explained as a piss poor attempt at damage control- rather than an intentional strategy.
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No.28804
>>28781
You're asking people to prove a negative - stupidity is an absence of intelligence. The burden of proof is on you to prove that she is in fact smart.
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No.28808
>>28788
>Being and idiot implies incompetence, and yet she has succeeded in destroying everything we like about Star Wars.
And that wasn't her aim. Her aim was to reinvent into a re-visioned success where everyone love the new. If she was as smart as you think she is, Disney Wars in all its endless faggotry along with TLJ would be celebrated without question. But it isn't. She fucked up. And now she has egg on her face. She was just a lucky bitch.
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No.28810
>>28783
>Never make the mistake of assuming the two are mutually exclusive in any way. It doesn't take some sort of genius to subvert and destroy, merely the ignorance of the target is required.
Genius and stupidity are not the only two options. Kennedy is competent at what she does.
Is there an influx of Geeks and Gamers listeners here all of a sudden or something? Kikes don't like us. They are attacking us all across society. Star Wars wasn't miraculously spared. This is deliberate.
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No.28841
>>28771
Well, Disney Star Wars has been a huge failure of a propaganda operation. The result is that more people dislike the movies, more people dislike Disney as a company, more people are aware of terms like "Mary Sue", and are having conversations about how diversity for the sake of diversity, and forcing personal politics into something doesn't make for a better story. Hell, I've heard more than one person say TFA was the trigger point that made them start listening to alternative views, and eventually end up a part of the alt-right.
The smart way to go about doing something like this is to make something like Star Trek TNG. A show filled with propagandistic messages, that has probably sold thousands of people on the ideas of globalism and socialism, feminism and anti-racism. Just by being a good product first, and slipping that shit in on the sly.
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No.28880
the whole futurist concept of disregarding history and tradition falls in line with Marxism. you can clearly see this in TLJ, especially fake Yoda burning the temple and telling Rey-Sue that she has no need of the accumulated wisdom of centuries, as well as that hackneyed line about killing the past.
>>28568
this. I read a really good piece on the Blue Church vs the Red Religion, it provides much insight into what's happening now.
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No.28897
>>28880
>the Blue Church vs the Red Religion
No offense, but this sounds like it's equating the two and therefore centrist garbage.
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No.28898
>>28559
>Their stupidity was indeed a saving grace.
"Stupidity" isn't the right word. The best way to describe them would be non-creative, incompetent and talentless hacks which is exactly why they spread their disease with established franchises to begin with. Those soulless vermin can't produce, they can only destroy and this is their biggest flaw.
>>28605
They're ready to sell their own mother if it can benefit them in any way, they're ready to stab each other to death if they can get something out of it, do you really think they know something about respect? They're not humans and they have no morality.
>>28766
>why can't you influence the world at the same level she does?
The reason can be moral or even laziness, not just intelligence. Also lack of connections or maybe him being a man, not a woman who can whore herself out to get said connections, that would be the easiest way to gain influence, even if you're lazy. Nowadays business or getting profit in general is about exploiting stupid retards anyway, see Patreon, one of the biggest scam platforms. You don't have to be some kind of a mastermind to exploit someone or even get somewhere through connections, the world isn't black and white for fuck's sake. People today can tolerate almost anything, to the point that leftists or kikes insult these people directly, they don't even hide their views and nobody gives a shit as you can see unless you're "racist" and the only people who would destroy you are the ones who control the media.
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No.28899
>>28897
I think he's referring to the "Red Empire/Blue Empire" concept, which is a way of conceptualising the main power struggle that has been taking place since the end of WW2. It's a pretty interesting idea.
https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2007/08/secret-of-anti-americanism/
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No.28900
>>28897
it might sound that way due to the labels used, but that is not the case. the Red Religion, or Trump Insurgency, is a radical departure from legacy methods of gaining control and consensus.
https://medium.com/deep-code/situational-assessment-2017-trump-edition-d189d24fc046
https://medium.com/deep-code/understanding-the-blue-church-e4781b2bd9b5
both of these are worth the read. they analyze the culture war and cut through all the noise we're hearing.
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No.28920
>>28900
<"While tribalism (nationalism) can be very potent in the short term, it is ultimately a deeply unstable ship to navigate the oceans of the future."
This guy absolutely reeks of pseudo-intellectualism. My mind just translates everything he's rambling on about into "this is an r/The_Donald post," with the way he's writing basic bitch shit about the further expansion of the internet into people's lives and the "rising tide of alternative media." And all that inconcise rambling! All his shit about "collective intelligence" is just a fancy word for "group" or "tribe" (or ethnicity, but it seems he doesn't realize that). Groups take on organized ideals and sins -no shit, genius!
Every 5 paragraphs of text contains about 1 sentence worth of thought.
<"Can you say “Emperor Trump?""
Pure cringe. This was not worth the read, and digging into this guy's other posts just makes him look like even more of a massive waffling faggot.
Anything insightful in these writings is overshadowed and better presented by Ted Kaczynski's "Industrial Society and Its Future" from 24 years ago. Read it if you haven't.
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No.28921
>>28899
I suppose so, but the idea that the US was propping up the Soviet Union is a bit out there. My main gripe is that he tries to hard to play big brained centrist in his definition of anti-americanism. Otherwise an interesting read.
>>28900
>>28920
It's a better explanation of the idea, but those articles got very rambling. Being concise is not their strong point.
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No.28926
>>28921
It's retarded. The article says shit like, "Dick Cheney is quite a nice guy."
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No.28943
>>28920
>Ted Kaczynski's "Industrial Society and Its Future" from 24 years ago. Read it if you haven't.
I'll check that out.
>>28921
admittedly, they were rambling and a bit tl;dr. I'll attempt to summarize:
*the Left has had moral ascendancy since the Civil Rights era
*the Left, and the political establishment in general, is used to propagating its ideology through the top-down structure of old media
*information technology enables the proliferation of decentralized networking. this allows ideas and narratives (that rise above the noise) to gain exposure and influence, while completely side-stepping the established gate-keepers.
*the increasing irrelevance of the establishment and its media, the fault-lines and weaknesses within Leftist ideology, and the challenge presented by decentralized ideas & actions (meme magic, etc) is causing serious frictions in society.
here's a more concise article, with a take on the failings of the current left: https://outline.com/TXW6L8
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No.29027
>>28771
I hate you fuckers (and 8fag in general), so I like this poster.
Please, continue.
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No.29029
>>29027
>Fake Rakatafag
>butthurt saging
Stop stealing my flag kike.
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No.29031
>>28880
>marxism
Contextually yes, but without context the act of burning "wisdom" and burying the burden of history is clearly fascistic act of pure beauty.
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No.29032
>>29031 (me)
not aldeeran fag
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No.29042
>>29027
So are you from reddit or 4chan?
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No.29053
>>28926
He could be. Haven't met him.
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No.29198
>>29029
This is why forced flags are a mistake. No.
>>29042
I'm from the planet Your Mom, in the galaxy Is-A-Whore
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No.29212
>>29198
Just pick another flag cuck, you're clearly not cool enough to be using the Rakata. Also go back to whatever shit board it is that you like.
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No.29237
>>29212
>cuck
/pol/ is that way.
>>>/pol/
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No.29244
>>29237
And you're a newfag to boot eh? Last I checked more than just /pol/ called people cucks. Still with how triggered you are you sound like /leftypol/
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No.29248
>>28794
You do remember that merchandise was always a massive source of income, right? Do you now also recall how tons of toys have been rotting in shelves, no matter how much marketing was applied?
That aside outside of maybe TFA I don't think any of the movies made a (significant) profit since, again, you have to include marketing costs.
Adding onto all of that TLJ has indeed broken the spell and many normalfags have begun to realize how derivative and downright mediocre TFA was. Jew Jew is a hack that can't make a good movie when starting from a blank slate and all the tools necessary are given to him. Expecting him to able to salvage the complete and total shitshow that is SW after Rian was done with it is pure fantasy.
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No.29252
>>28598
>no peasant was allowed to criticize it lest you'd be accused of being a sexist/racist/homophobic/bigot and have your social life or credibility ruined
Is this how life in USA really is like? Holy fucking shit… please tell me you were exaggerating.
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No.29253
>>29252
When you aren't on the internet, you are pretty much fine to say whatever so long as you aren't around nogs or at a college. Online however, there are a lot of faggots running around trying to get people fired or attacked for opinions about just about anything.
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