No.2026 [Last50 Posts]
So what exactly did they do wrong besides lose? All they wanted was to not have to pay retarded taxes which is a pretty noble goal. Not to mention:
>Unlike the Recucklic they were transparent that their infantry was disposable
>Didn't want to subjugate the entire galaxy, but secure the outer rim
>Had popular support due to how corrupt and inefficient the Republic was
>weren't entirely just another pawn in (((sideous'))) game in my headcanon
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No.2027
>>2026
They also only fought wars using droids instead of sacrificing people.
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No.2032
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No.2034
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>>2026
The CIS actually had some good points and why Padme before her death was moving more to their side like in this deleted scene. The problem that everyone saw in the Confederacy was its hard tactics since hem being a small force when compared to the Republic. If Padme had told Anikan everything he probably wouldn't have sided with Palpatine but she didn't.
All and all whether their reasons were good the CIS you see is controlled opposition which allowed the Sith to gain complete power. Had more diligence been done to investigate the Banking Clan on Muunilinst and discover where Palpatine got his holdings from we'd be able to end the war and save Democracy. Of course the Yoda's Jedi only defended against actions against them, never taking action on their own.
And the few Jedi who did were dispelled from the order and never given support.
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No.2035
>>2034
>Had more diligence been done to investigate the Banking Clan on Muunilinst
nigga who do you think stopped them investigating any further? sheev literally had every trick up his sleeve.
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No.2038
George dehumanized the Separatists way too much. In their very first appearance in Attack of the Clones they are presented as a collection of greedy aliens and villains from the previous movie, with none other than Count Dracula at the head of the table. He couldn't have made them any less sympathetic to the audience if he'd tried.
Under the surface they have a very agreeable anti-bureaucracy platform that should have attracted the support of "good people" rather than only corporate hand-wringers. The Clone Wars briefly addressed this with the Mina Bonteri episode but they threw that promising dynamic out the window completely by killing her off as soon as possible and making the CIS a faceless warmongering droid army again.
I guess they were just another victim of ham-fisted writing like a lot of things in Star Wars. I think a lot more political links should have been drawn between the Separatists and the Rebellion. That was probably the biggest wasted opportunity from all of this.
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No.2039
>>2038
I don’t think he could have introduced them and shown them in a positive light at that point in the film. Fleshing them out and introducing sympathetic CIS characters would be best left to the EU & The Clone Wars. That is where they failed IMHO. I would have liked to see some of the CIS heroes mentioned in the opening crawl of Episode III.
The Empire is introduced in a very similar manner in the OT – they are evil, and there are no shades of grey to be seen in how they are handled. If the Empire had been portrayed in a more positive light, the Rebels blowing up the Death Star would have come off as even worse than it already is – a little over a million people were killed when the Rebels blew it up.
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No.2041
>>2034
>end the war and save Democracy
>and save Democracy
>Democracy
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No.2042
>>2026
THE DROIDS DID NOTHING WRONG!
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No.2043
>>2038
Remember, Sidious and Dooku actually designed the CSI council to be composed by ugly, greedy aliens exactly to cause opposition from to the human majority when they unleashed the war.
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No.2044
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>>2043
>council of aliens
>one white man
>mfw aliens were used as a parallel for non-whites in the old serials george grew up watching as a kid
i guess that jackass writer wasn't wrong when he said the empire was a white human supremacist faction.
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No.2045
>>2044
That proves that CIS is pretty accepting and diverse, allowing all spieces to join their battle for freedom.
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No.2046
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>>2045
All the diverse groups were being used for support against the Republic and because of their diversity they didn't get to know one another and just accepted those amongest themselves. This was deadly for them as one at the table namely the Sith wanted to bring their diversity together so that he could crush them all once necessary after their usefulness was spent.
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No.2048
>muh unregulated free market
>leadership comprised of disgusting aliens
>main fighting force were soulless machines and bug people
>would have been a shitty, un-unified confederacy weakening the galaxy for the eventual Vong invasion
>existed purely as a tool for Palpatine
Yea, the CIS were greeeaaaat.
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No.2550
>>2048
>>2026
I hated the CIS because of the Banking clans and the Techno Union they had good ideas but those jewish fucks only cared about getting paid and turning into an even worse Republic.
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No.4585
>>2048
I dislike this notion that Palpatine purely created the empire to stop the Vong rather than him being an evil prick since that seemed to be more in character with him.
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No.4658
>>4585
Creating the Empire was for him, and the Sith by extension, to rule the Galaxy. The Superweapons were for the Vong.
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No.4672
>>4658
Pretty much this.
Friendly reminder that there's nothing wrong with being for an untaxed galactic common market.
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No.4909
>>4585
A unified, militarized state is always going to be able to respond to external threats faster than a ragtag intergalactic collective of independent states. Just look at how buttfucked the New Republic got
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No.5356
Would it be wrong to call the PA an evolution of the Confederacy?
Hey Bordo, got a new flag for you.
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No.5362
>>5356
Looks better in blue to be honest.
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No.5365
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They were literally Controlled Opposition able to be destroyed at any given moment and was. All deleted scenes in The Star Wars is cannon to me
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No.5400
>>5356
Yes. The PA was the "Empire without the retardness and Frank's megalomania". It would be better if it was the core of the Imperial Remnant than the Bastion one.
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No.5402
>>5400
And ironically it Moff Kaine was from Bastion and his regime dominated it. Too bad he died before Pellaeon.
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No.5410
>>5402
What was so bad about Pellaeon's Remnant?
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No.5413
>>5410
Well… they managed to be reduced to 8 sectors! They lost a lot of territory of the PA. They only recovered more because the NR fuckups than anything.
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No.5414
>>5413
Ah, right. 8 sectors is a respectable amount, but still less than there was. That Pellaeon had to answer to the whims of a bunch of foolish Moffs never helped.
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No.5421
>>5414
That's the sad thing. Moffs in SW must either be genocidal madman like Tarkin or saturday morning cartoon villains.
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No.5428
How does everyone feel about Daala?
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No.5429
>>5428
Better than Sloane. Fuck it pains me to think this bitch will be thought of fondly by the future dumb asses who will inherit this board and other sites.
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No.5458
>>5429
Not if we have anything to say or do with it.
>>5428
From screwup to savior of the Empire. Not a bad arc, pity that particular scene was a part of Darksaber. Also the ridiculousness that was Dorsk 81.
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No.5461
>>5429
Sloane somehow makes Ma-Rei-Sue look bearable. Still neither are as bad as Dr. Aphra, MD-PhD-ME-PharmD-DSc-DVM-DND-DPT-OD-DDR-VCR. Although that's not saying much. Holy diathims, how did we get stuck with such awful "heroes"?
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No.5574
>>5429
Maybe we should add a board rule: if you like Sloane, you get permabanned
>>5461
I would rather have a white Mary Sue than a "we wuz grand admirals n shieettt" sheboon
>>5428
given the opportunity, I would impregnate her
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No.5598
>>5574
I've only read one of the very first books where she just became a captain of a star destroyer. She wasn't halfbad but the signs were already there. Shame, because the book itself wasn't bad by any stretch, plus I liked how Vidian was a coldhearted SOAB
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No.5610
>>5598
Yeah, I actually agree. She wasn't a bad character in "A New Dawn" or the handful of other early appearances she popped up in. She was just very bland and mediocre without anything to distinguish her from any of the other ruthlessly ambitious Imperial officers compensating for humble origins with arrogance in the lore both old and new. If it weren't for her being female and black, she'd be entirely forgettable outside of her own specific stories.
Cuck Winging, naturally, used his reverse Midas shit touch to destroy her beyond salvation. People were chimping about her existing to replace Thrawn or be nu-Dar'nala, but they didn't even put that much effort into it.
It really drives home how superficial, hollow, and cynical this diversity push has been. There are plenty of good non-white and female Star Wars characters but they're just dumping out the equivalent of injection molded plastic figurines and painting them with melanin while congratulating themselves for it and fishing for social media to do the same. Making a Panaka or Depa Billaba of their own would take work, after all. If they could work Patreon or Kickstarter into this, they fucking would.
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No.5614
>>5428
I liked her, but I still don't get making her president of the galaxy.
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No.5617
>>5610
Well, to be fair, you need skill to write a Panaka, Depa Billaba or even Mace Windu for that matter because they each have personality.
Postmodernist thinking, however, clearly shows that they have no interest in making their characters even marginally relatable or even giving them any form of personality; what they want is a character that you can identify immediately, so they have to stand out in their design, and not their personality. Why do you think so many post-modernists walk around with rainbow coloured crests like fucking birds of paradise? (Ironically brightly coloured birds of paradise are usually the males in the species) They have no other way of differentiating themselves because their indoctrination killed any sense of individuality, and solidified that you are only identifiable by the groups you belong in. (Black, trans, queer, old/young, man, woman) that's also why so many mental disorders are popping up; people thinking they are "Demi-queer" or "Dendrosexual" (I made that last one up, but anyone interested in that might have a thing for Neti.)
The problem they are running into with Star Wars is that the cast is so outwardly diverse that human skintone really is no more different between a white and a black person, or that human sexual dimorphism simply doesn't stand out when there's bright red, blue and green Twi'leks dancing around, when wookies are charging a droid army and when you're most of the time looking at the exterior of the ships aside from the occasional reverse dashcam shots. And even in those dashcam shots the sheer variety of alien species doesn't make them stand out as much as the SJW's like.
Putting Admiral Holdo on TLJ was another attempt at making a female character stand out from the crowd, but in doing so they fucked up royally because instead of standing out in a good way (Like Hera, who's actually got a personality) Holdo simply stands out the same way the valkyries would stand out in a WW2 documentary. Yeah, they are tangentially related, but the visual language is just jarring.
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No.5624
>>5365
>blocked by disney
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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No.5647
>>5365
>>5624
WTF!
Not even a month ago I had watched all the deleted scenes from the episodes I-VI, is Disney going around removing Star Wars footage off of fans Youtube pages?
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No.5649
>>5647
>>5624
Check other videos and see if there's a pattern here.
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No.5723
>>5624
Holy crap its starting. They're cracking down hard. Imagine if they're actually trying to erase the past material. Even the prequels.
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No.5728
>>5723
Holy shit… Yoda burning the Force tree was an omen. Rian Johnston was trying to warn us!
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No.5737
>>5728
>mfw I dare say that he was actually /ourguy/
These are truly dark times.
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No.5745
>>5737
I understand now what Rose meant when she said that we win by protecting what we love.
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No.5753
>>5723
>>5728
>>5737
>>5745
Stop running around and start webm/mp4ing things, you spazzes.
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No.5755
good thing i still have my DVDs
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No.5761
>>5755
I don't… I gave them away, and not just the DVDs, but the Blu-rays too.
Now I just come here to shitpost about how terrible Disney is fucking up SW.
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No.5764
>>5421
He really should've just kill her…
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No.5765
>>5761
>>I gave them away
That's going down a path I can't follow.
I have it on VHS bitches, though I understand most of the reasons for the reedits
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No.5767
>>5765
I gave away my entire SW collection to my youngest brother last Christmas. Hopefully he'll get more enjoyment of it than me - a signed photo of Dave Prowse, the six film Blu-ray set, the OT DVD collection, VHS-es (including a widescreen release of TESB), Kenner toys from the 1970s & 1980s, books, video games, comics, &c., &c.
I'd even be hesitant to call myself a fan these days, as people might assume I am a fan of Disney's nuWars.
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No.5770
>>5767
>>5765
>>5761
>giving away your collections
>not keeping them to remind yourselves of the good times
i can understand distancing yourself from the modern fandom but there's no reason to just give it away.
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No.5771
>>2034
>this video has been blocked by DisJew on (((copyright))) grounds
Figures.
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No.5792
>>5765
>VHS
You should look into digitalizing them, VHS tapes don't last forever.
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No.5794
>>5792
This. I barely remember old SW, because although we still have them, my dad's SW VHS tapes no longer play coherent films.
Also, upload them once you've digitized them please
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No.5842
>>5792
>>5794
I have no idea on how to digitize a VHS tape. I don't think you can pay someone to do it because its on copyrighted material.
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No.5844
>>5842
I have a dvd/vhs player. I bought it off ebay back in 2007. One side records what the other is playing. Maybe you can try and look it up on ebay. Its brand is sony.
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No.5857
>>5844
Could at least find a picture for the anon.
>>5842
Try /tech/ or look on YouTube or something for a how-to video.
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No.5860
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No.12335
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No.12339
So what's the /sw/ approved "final cut" for the films? Personally, I'm fine with most of the new material spliced into the trilogy, such as Jabba in ANH, the Twi'leks extended scene in the rancor pit, and so on. The exception to this is Vader's "Noooo" in RotJ, and adding Naboo to the celebration scenes at the the end. The deleted scenes showing Padme starting the nascent rebellion deserve to be put into RotS.
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No.20639
>>2026
The Separatist were a genuine movement corrupted by (((dark lords))).
Battle droids were a far more humane form of warfare that allowed many to sympathize to their cause.
Darth Tyrannus was not known to be a Sith lord until the end of the war by most separatist and even they had grown to hate the also corrupted (((Jedi))) so it didn't matter.
They were just pawns to create the empire but are one of the most underated factions in star wars.
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No.20643
Was it ever explained why the Trade Federation chose Naboo to blockade? I don't mean the 'Sidious said to' reason, but what was the explanation for why they were there? Did Naboo hold an important place on a trade route?
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No.20644
>>20643
i believe it was implied they had trade disputes in the past, but other than that naboo was iirc a heavy traffic area in the trade federation's routes.
>>12339
the phantom edit for phantom menace (less jar jar, less annoying anakin, inserts some deleted scenes to make up for it)
attack of the clones with some of the deleted scenes put back in (the extra naboo and obi-wan shots)
rots with the deleted scenes (shaak ti's death, birth of the rebellion)
anh dvd/bluray release, but without the awful krayt dragon sounds. i don't know why george kept messing with it, he should have given the banthas a different noise.
empire strikes back dvd/bluray. it's everything in the special edition minus the inserted sheev scream that never really fit for luke's fall.
jedi minus the nooo bit and with the record version of lapti nek, the film version is terrible, also naboo isn't a problem you cuck.
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No.20647
>>20643
Naboo was the planet Palpatine was senator of and the whole point of the crisis was to guilt the galaxy into electing him and Darth Plagueis as chancellor and vice chancellor.
Maul was also there to secure or kill depending on if he intended to serve Sidious or Plagueis.
Qui gon and Obi wan were to be killed on Tatoine and Anakin snatched for a life of a Sith
but they escaped and went back to Naboo.
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No.20653
What did they do wrong? How about the fact that many of their surviving leaders went to join a rebellion against the peace, justice, freedom and security of the empire
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No.20661
>>20643
Darth Plagueis claimed it was related to a plasma deposit that was recently discovered on Naboo. No, that doesn't quite make sense to me either. I think it was an effort to explain what the fuck was that room in the duel scene was.
>>20644
>also naboo isn't a problem you cuck.
Less Naboo and more the Gungan noise it included tbh.
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No.20666
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No.20700
>>20643
>>20661
Darth Plagueis through his Muun bankers got Naboo to take out a loan for the construction of such projects which he knew Naboo wouldn't be able to make the payments on time.
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No.20703
>>20700
How does the Trade Federation figure in? Did the Muun sell the loan?
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No.20706
>>20703
The Trade Federation constructed the projects.
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No.20725
>>2039
>>2032
No, because it would be missing the point of the story that Lucas wanted to tell. CIS were the bad guys in this because of their actions and that's the lesson he's teaching us but more importantly the teenagers and kids watching these movies. There's good actions and bad actions. CIS had valid reasons to combat the republic but their actions were evil, just like Anakin had legit reasons to cut down Mace Windu and save the one who could save his wife but performed evil actions and therefore were portraited in an evil light at that point on.
It's amazing how brilliant Lucas script really is but faggots don't seem to understand the nuances he had in them. Because they all stem from the same problem of being cynical modern soyboys with no sense of classical morality compass and knowing what's right or wrong.
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No.20752
>>20725
>CIS were the bad guys in this because of their actions and that's the lesson he's teaching us but more importantly the teenagers and kids watching these movies. There's good actions and bad actions.
The problem is with this approach is that, at least in the films, we have so few examples of "bad actions" from the Separatists. Their biggest crime was questioning the wisdom of the great and all-powerful Union Galactic Republic. And seeing as they chose a defense force of droids over growing an army of disposable slaves, the CIS practices are arguably more humane than the Republic's.
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No.20753
>>20752
The droids were sapient, though. They showed fear. They're "human" by any arguable standard, even though they aren't made of meat.
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No.20765
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No.20772
>>20753
>The droids were sapient
That was just slapstick in Ep.3 tho. In TPM and AotC they are just droids.
>They're "human" by any arguable standard
lol
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No.20773
>>20753
They really weren't, though, barring slapstick in Ep III as the other guy said. Droids developing true sentience the way R2 and C-3PO did is actually relatively uncommon in the Star Wars universe. It tends to only happen after an extended period without a memory wipe, and even then it's not a guarantee—usually a lack of memory wipe just brings about quirks and erratic behavior.
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No.20775
>>20773
As I understand it, C-3PO is designed for interacting with sentient creatures, so it is entirely reasonable that he would behave as one to better facilitate communication. R2 is an astromech droid, which requires much greater intellect than a BD. And the memory wipes as you mention.
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No.20796
>>20753
Unless they are specifically designed as such, they are not. OOM, B1 and B2 droids are made to be cheap, dispenseable and without true sapience. Just remember that they didn't had a sense of self preservation for start. They started as droids commanded remotely from ships to self contained units, and even so if ordered to march into a pit, they simply would.
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No.31468
how can u be so based as these guys
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No.31470
>>20752
>we have so few examples of "bad actions" from the Separatists.
The Trade Federation's actions in TPM cover that angle, and the viewer is left to assume that other corporate factions such as the Trade Union are of a similar ilk.
But the Separatists could have been introduced in a better light. In both trilogies the only embodiment of pure evil is Sidious himself, and he leads other characters around him (mainly the Skywalkers) to pick sides in their inner moral conflict. Confederates were, like the Senate itself, just pawns, and as such, they need flaws which allow them to be manipulated, like naiveté, ignorance, greed or cowardice, but otherwise can even be well-intentioned fools. Of course, by giving in to the temptation offered by the manipulator, they are gradually corrupted, as Anakin was, but they didn't need to start off evil.
Maybe this would have been too much to show in the movies, which had limited time and had to focus on Anakin's journey to the Dark Side, but it could have been given attention in the EU.
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No.31473
>>31470
>but it could have been given attention in the EU.
It did, the entire Jabiim arc of Republic focused on human separatists which are responsible for one of the biggest Republic losses of the Clone Wars. Not to mention Dooku, Grievous, and the Jango Fett/Mandalorian Protectors had backstories of how they were basically fucked over by the Republic. Not to mention the CIS Shadowfeeds that gave you a different perspective of the war.
The films are hyperfocused on Anakin's fall, the same way the OT is hyperfocused on Luke's journey to become a hero. It's the job of the EU to flesh out the details.
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No.31726
>>31473
>It's the job of the EU to flesh out the details.
If only Disney knew this.
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No.31730
>>20753
>They're "human" by any arguable standard
t. droidlover
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No.31734
>>2026
>So what exactly did they do wrong besides lose?
They were driven by greed.
Nu-CIS is Droid Domain.
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No.33293
Any good books, comics, novels or anything if I want to read more about the CIS side? Perhaps something about the politics?
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No.33295
>>33293
Someone posted a pretty good but small list of a few threads back. No idea where it is now. But the SW Jedi comics in Dark Horse had an issue about Dooku that really paints him and the CIS in a positive light. Yoda: Dark Rendezvous is also pretty CIS-centered.
Here's another list of all Clone Wars media. You might find something there.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clone_Wars_multimedia_project#Books_and_short_stories
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No.33366
What are your thoughts on Admiral Trench?
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No.33367
>>33366
Cool looking spider dude that showed up out of nowhere in the later seasons.
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No.33371
>>33366
I really like the Idea of seeing more military leaders than only Grevius
The clone Wars added a LOT of cool shit for the CIS
Its a shame that theyre portrayed as mustache twirling bad guys
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No.33377
>>33371
>Its a shame that theyre portrayed as mustache twirling bad guys
That's what bothered me the most. He was so generically villainous as were most CIS characters. Which is odd since that one CIS episode with Ahsoka showed the CIS could be just as grey or moral as the Republic, with the exception of Dooku, who was also reduced into a mustache twirling minion for the show.
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No.33381
>CIS have approximately 10,000 warships vs Republic 1,000
>Still lose
The writing for Star Wars honestly sucks ass and loves to write itself into a hole.
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No.33450
>>2026
The CIS are basically a metaphor for modern non-white hordes (notice the Confederate leaders are all ugly aliens versus the mostly human Republic) being baited into a war against whites by the Jew (Palpatine) and led by a shabbos goy (Dooku) who is ultimately just as disposable as they are. In other words, it's a metaphor for the modern world. George is really way smarter than people give him credit for and he saw all that shit coming from a mile away years ago. Plus the obvious American Civil War parallels that run very much contrary to the "muh raycism" narrative. I am honestly amazed how no one realized back then how super-redpilled Lucas was.
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No.33453
>>33366
Uninspired design for a Lucas alien.
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No.33461
>>33453
Its basically just a giant spider in clothes really. I mean yeah, Chewbacca is just a giant sheepdog, but this guy bothers me for some reason. Not to mention we already had the Aqualish serving as the spiders men of SW along with the Charon (minus the fact that Charon weren't in the galaxy yet).
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No.33464
>>33453
Damn, I kinda liked that guy.
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No.34145
>>33450
> I am honestly amazed how no one realized back then how super-redpilled Lucas was.
Only those with eyes to see and ears to hear have access to these things.
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No.34169
>>4658
>The Superweapons were for the Vong.
no, only an idiot follows this thought process. sheev making the death star to combat the vong makes no sense, why the fuck would he get rid of the senate at the same time if the insurgent deterrent was really meant to be a defense against an extra-galactical invasion? this is the emperor we're talking about, all he has to do is put out propaganda about how the vong are on their way and these weapons are a necessary reaction to their arrival and bam! job done. but nope, he just gets rid of the senate, and alderaan is destroyed to show the galaxy that the empire still rules and no planet is safe.
>>5458
>Also the ridiculousness that was Dorsk 81
ngl i loved darksaber and the jedi academy trilogy. besides dorsk 81 arguably lead the way for starkiller, and both had the same fate.
>>5617
>Dendrosexual
explain this fetish? is this attraction to like tangled hair? or plants?
>>33381
numbers don't win wars, tactics do. the cis just printed out droids and threw them at random planets to keep the republic on its toes as part of sheev's plan.
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