905ff3 No.28840
We discuss only episodes in which a first contact took place.
Enterprise S1E01 Broken Bow is my favorite.
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905ff3 No.28841
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67f735 No.28859
First contact between federation and romulans. I fucking hate they were turned into generic bad guys.
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a8f8bf No.28869
Latest Orville episode. I think it points out how naive the Federation was.
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905ff3 No.28915
>>28859
>generic bad guys
They were consistently sneaky and Romanesque.
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67f735 No.28922
>>28915
Being sneaky and romanesque isn't evil. However torturing people for no good reason is. I've seen romulans torturing people without any hope of gaining information, or without it even serving as a deterrent (because its secret), it wasn't even to change someones mind. Just torture for the sake of torture.
And then they just randomly turned into murdering bastards, shooting their underlings whenever they wanted. That's not civilized or productive, and no empire survives for thousands of years without being civilized and productive.
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02486b No.28923
>>28922
I honestly can't recall Romulans just torturing people. They always had a reason. Cardassians, on the other hand, could sometimes torture people just to fuck with them.
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67f735 No.28926
>>28923
Cardassians had a very well developed philosophy for the application of torture. Mostly deterrence, since they had a public torture channel. The one time it was done secretly and pointlessly it was clearly a mentally ill bureocrat against the wishes of the cardassian state and people.
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905ff3 No.28927
>>28926
Yeah I found the Cardassian political scene to be interesting overall.
I don't recall the episode when the Cardies were introduced though, did they get a proper first contact or were we led to believe they were always part of the lore through the story?
Earliest Cardassian ep I remember was the Four Lights one.
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461d51 No.28928
>>28927
The very first episode to feature them was an early TNG episode, "The Wounded." That was the one with Captain Maxwell, the civilian Cardie ship that was totally not carrying weapons, and the jock strap helmets. They didn't get a proper first contact, just an offhand mention that they recently had a border skirmish with the Feddies. I'm guessing they were originally meant as a one or two-off species instead of a major power, which is why they never had a proper introduction.
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be2c79 No.29134
>>28928
Marc AyyLamo supposedly said he enjoyed Cardassians so much that he wanted to appear as them again. He gave a powerful several hour long speech during which the producers had to change their pants several times due to having arousal accidents that by the end they designed the whole race based around his physique and character.
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905ff3 No.29155
>>29134
>He gave a powerful several hour long speech during which the producers had to change their pants several times
Now that's a true victory.
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1e57a0 No.29335
>>29155
That's just Marc Aliamo.
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1c4e54 No.30010
>>28928
>They didn't get a proper first contact, just an offhand mention that they recently had a border skirmish with the Feddies.
Nigga, the skirmish in the teaser happens after Picard shares one of his war stories.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Federation-Cardassian_War
>2347-2366
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