8b6499 No.21550
I'm halfway through the first season and this is already just as good as any of the Star Trek series I've watched.
>stars Hercules as the most moralfag dude in the galaxy
>aliens are all clearly in costumes and facepaint, some are cool as fuck while others are literally painted purple
>the ship has an AI avatar that always shows off its tits
>constantly deals with religious themes
>hilariously cheesy even when Hercules isn't being a dick to have fun with his crew
>the design of every ship, gun, and uniform is top-notch
Why doesn't this get talked about even a fraction as much as Star Trek does? I imagine it would've been completely forgotten about if it didn't have Roddenberry's name attached to it.
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4f95d7 No.21555
Stop behaving like an entitled refugee, and go to
>>>/scifi/
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8b6499 No.21565
>>21555
>go to /scifi/ for a Roddenberry show
It's more /strek/ material than Farscape, The Expanse, Babylon 5, or Discovery. If you didn't watch it, just say so.
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5bbd74 No.21571
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4f95d7 No.21573
>go to /scifi/ for a Roddenberry show
Yes, because the board is called /strek/ not /everythingrottenberryeverpukedout/.
>If you didn't watch it, just say so.
In it's original airing. It was shit then back then too. Not "the shit", but shit. If you want to watch early Sackhoff and later Sorbo by all means. But don't pretend it's an undiscovered trek gem you just found.
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7dd043 No.21577
>Andromeda is one of two TV series (to date) based on concepts Roddenberry had created as early as the 1960s and 1970s
Explains the strange tone of the show. It's 60's Roddenberry, executed in the 00's.
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7dd043 No.21578
Okay, I'm hijacking this thread to talk about other Roddenberry works, because I just went down a Wikipedia rabbit hole. Apparently he produced a shitload of failed TV pilots throughout the 70's. Has anyone seen any of these?
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715317 No.21580
its pretty goodish. then later seasons are garbage.
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d223c1 No.21598
>>21555
Andromeda is a work by Gene Roddenberry, it is arguably more Star Trek than Farscape, The Expanse, BB5…or even STD, ENT, and VOY to be honest because only TOS, TNG, and DS9 had his touch.
Andromeda is actually good, can't wait for this next thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_zwwQR_z_M
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d223c1 No.21599
>>21578
>Genesis II
I saw this. It was horrendous.
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4f95d7 No.21613
>>21598
Then might as well discuss Tekwars too. It is by Shatner after all.
>Andromeda is actually good,
No, it actually isn't, and yes I did watch it. Same goes for Earth Final Conflict. I spent a lot of my salad days with nothing but cable tv and stuck with internet at dial up speed, and got the scars to prove it.
Andromeda, EFC, they're garbage. Just because it has the Roddenberry name attached to it doesn't make the turd shiny.
>because only TOS, TNG,
TOS, sure. TNG, you can see his stuff got less play the later the seasons got.
>and DS9 had his touch.
That one I think is a bit of a stretch.
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dd6938 No.21634
Andromeda has some nice ideas, such an the use of EW and missiles as the main weapons in ship to ship combat, some of the aliens and ship designs.
It fails in a lot of ways though. especially when they introduce that obnoxious girl who's actually a sun in some abstract kind of way, and the bad guy who's a black hole, in some abstract kind of way and everything goes completely off the rails the last few seaons when every thing beings abstract, in an abstract kind of way.
>>21555
>>21573
Speaking as someone who has been here for over a year, I don't see what the big deal is. The board is slow already and its not like most of us don't have at least some interest in other sci fi shows, if only to compare them to trek.
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7dd043 No.21635
>>21598
>Andromeda is a work by Gene Roddenberry
It was put into production almost a decade after he died, loosely based on some concepts of his. I don't know how much you can really say it was his show.
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09b36f No.21636
>>21550
I could not take her seriously on Stargate as a doctor. I'm glad they canned her in the 10th season.
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d223c1 No.21651
>>21613
Obviously can't say that Shatner is irrelevant to Star Trek, but even he doesn't have the creative influence that Gene does.
That said, T.J. Hooker is set in the Prime universe.
>>21636
first fap right here
she was pregnant in your pic, hers tits are huge because they're full of milk
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333bed No.21664
Is it just me or does every scifi show besides Star Trek have an issue with seeming seedy and generic in comparison? To me it seems that tv programmers feel that the only reason to have a scifi show around is to be fodder for geeks, nerds, and weirdos (which I can self-admittedly say makes up %99 of all Star Trek fans), but they just try way too hard and in the wrong ways to impress that demographic purely for the cause of ROI insurance.
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fbc0c9 No.21675
>>21613
>Just because it has the Roddenberry name attached to it doesn't make the turd shiny.
Pretty much this like STD :^)
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e38115 No.21679
>>21675
Did they honestly try to associate Roddenberry's name with that abortion of a show?
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02b920 No.21680
>>21679
I just checked. They did.
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8b6499 No.21688
>>21580
I heard that the main writer got canned after the second season. Does it go to shit immediately afterwards, or is it a downward slide into cancellation?
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d223c1 No.21689
>>21675
Years ago I heard that Roddenberry's family found a cache of old floppy disks with show details and old episode scripts he had written in the past.
They were transferred to a new format, I wonder what became of them.
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7dd043 No.21698
>>21664
I wouldn't say every show. Stargate comes to mind.
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7ee9e4 No.21751
>>21689
Probably Andromeda :^)
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d223c1 No.21824
>>21613
>No, it actually isn't
In the distant future an advanced commonwealth of worlds spanning three galaxies has collapsed and our captain a man out of time takes it upon himself to rebuild civilization from the ground up beginning by rebuilding a crew
There is no more epic story, and to be honest no better captain in science-fiction, it's a shame Kevin Sorbo can't get more roles because of Hollywood's discrimination against Christians, he would be great on any Star Trek cast.
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4f0218 No.21925
>>21824
I thought Sorbo couldn't get roles cause he was a cunt?
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b3de66 No.21969
>>21925
I've always heard that Sorbo was a really cool dude.
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1cc69e No.23494
>>21550
So they tried to push the alien design as far as they could with the limited tech and budget of the time.
They had bug people in the first episode, and blue 4-legged aliens in the last season
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04e12c No.23519
>>23494
Did they stretch it too far though?
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ce6901 No.23525
>>21613
>Just because it has the Roddenberry name attached to it doesn't make the turd shiny.
This.
>>21679
They even used the TOS theme for the last episode.
>>21925
No, it's because he's a christcuck and a republican.
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7a3239 No.23885
>>21550
Andormeda.
Was nice however the more episodes you watch the more you realize how shit it is.
The show is basically
"Random super models shoot one another and Hercules wins because he is Hercules and not only has plot armor, he has plot nuclear bombs"
The shows mythology is retarded.
The fuck was the abyss all about?
What where the Magog all about?
No seriously what was their religion and ideas?
Because in the world ship the religious magog is like
>This is not civilization, this is a abomination
And all we see is magog walking up walls.
So how is this a abomination? Exactly?
The show has all the Roddenberry's tropes to the max only made a million times more cheesy bordering on self parody.
>Religion is stupid
>Ignore the trolley problem, the plot will magically fix the situation it so you never need to think about it.
Then when the show tries to explain some of tits aliens its craziness example Nietzscheans:
>Survive of the fittest, everything for MY self and MY genetic reproduction
>Everything to avoid death, i will not commit suicide.
<Question why do you pilot fighters who get shot down a lot if this is your ideology?
<Should you not be cowardly and avoid wars like this (this is actually what real life survival of the fittest is)? You are basically behaving exactly like Klingon's.
<What where the chances of your sperm being formed? Millions to one! You beat these odes once you will beat them again
This is a actual line of dialog from the show paraphrased.
Laughably silly, so Nietzscheans need to be terrible at:
-Statistics (you beating the odds 1 time will make it LESS likely to do the same the second time!)
-Statistics + gambling (more then 99% of fighter pilots die in human wave tactics and you really think you will avoid this? )
-Facts (The other pilots where thinking the same thing its time to calculate it)
So for the Nietzscheans to make sense every one of them needs to be retarded or fail to understand statistics, something I find hard in a race that was supposed to manage star ships.
They also need to be bad at basic fact deduction (99% of fighter pilots die in the first wave).
You see Klingons make perfect sense because for them its
>Today is a good day to die!
And a warriors death in the glory of combat.
This thinking would be considered "suicidal" by the Nietzschean ideology.
Its strange that Andromeda was full of small craft combat and did have Nietzschean while Trek was more like gigantic warship combat and did have Klingons.
Because for Klingons the 99% death rate is actually 99% chance of getting a warriors death.
Of course the reasons for this is because CGi allowed for multiple ships while Trek used miniatures and was limited in technology.
Its only so strange to have the Nietzscheans when Klingons would fit better.
The best solution would be
1) Make star ship combat like on Trek gigantic warships shooting one another where the pilot is on one ship.
2) Don't make Nietzscheans have their idiotic ideology that can only be practiced in the way it is if every one of them is a complete moron and fails to understand basic statistics or even think.
In my life i have never seen a fictional race that can so easily be rendered inactive if this simple concept like statistics is explained to them.
Remember there is no honor for Nietzscheans only the spreading of the individuals genetic material.
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2a0104 No.25776
Expect to be disappointed.
The show starts sucking and never ties up the plotlines.
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55d26d No.25785
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431062 No.25797
>>23885
>tits aliens
tell me more about the tits aliens. Have any pics?
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3971b3 No.26147
>>23885
>The fuck was the abyss all about?
>What where the Magog all about?
>No seriously what was their religion and ideas?
Abyss was a counterpoint to the Divine which was essentially the slipstream network….. the slipstream was more or less its brain, which is why areas between galaxies didn't have slipstream, and also why the slipstream required a thinking creature to run it. AI's famously could not travel in slipstream. The Divine DID NOT CREATE LIFE, but it does use lifeforms in our universe as pawns.
As an actual creature, the Abyss itself is an extremely powerful alien lifeform from another universe. It could create black holes, and was trying to destroy the Divine by destroying solar systems, and slowly crushing its neural network out. Why did it want to do this? No one knows. Magog are just its pawns, Abyss morphed them into monsters and imposed their retarded religion.
Neither Abyss nor Divine created anything, they're just massive galaxy spanning aliens that are trying to kill each other.
>So how is this a abomination? Exactly?
They're walking up walls of a hollowed out set of planets, which orbit an artificial sun in a massive dyson sphere the point of which is to serve as a flagship for a creature that wants to destroy multiple galaxies.
>Nietzscheans
They are concerned primarily with producing the highest quality offspring and ensuring the perpetual improvement of their family line, forever.
Showing how tough and worthy you are to the highest quality females is part of getting the highest quality offspring. Surviving long enough to fuck her is a part of that. Killing all opposition to your offspring is yet another part of that.
I'm sorry if you were looking for 2 dimensional Klingon warrior guys.
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e272e1 No.26186
At least in the beginning, it's the perfect sci-fi show. It's endlessly quotable. It has poetry, and is poetry. Sci-fi and philosophy are sewn into the script. It's Captain America in space decades before The Avengers got to the big screen. Aaand things sort of go wonky and while we're waiting for it to pull out of it's nosedive, everyone dies and is still there and the show becomes terrible.
"I wish you would stop looking for beauty in things that want to kill us."
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1cc69e No.26209
>>23885
Do you know understand that the quest for glory gives you status and breeding right? Not a complicated concept.
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1cc69e No.26210
>>23519
Uh…yeah. Yes they did. The bug people looked like cheap foam costumes, and in the last season they had early CGI four legged aliens. If you have watched all of TOS and enjoyed it then there's nothing in Andromeda you can't handle, but your typical /tv/fag would freak out.
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3971b3 No.26232
>>26209
Just ignore him. This guy thinks he'll get high quality women by hiding under his bed from all danger, and eating twinkies all day. Fucking moron.
>>26210
The bug people WERE cheap foam costumes, but the design behind them is decent. You can hear their real chittering language, and then a second later the translator kicks in with a synthesized voice! Not only that, but the common script and spoken language in the show wasn't even human, it was bastardized Paradine, evolved precusor species. If a panel is shown on andromeda it's not just english written on it. The viewer is hearing english with the understanding that the entire cast spoke a non-native language, with exception of species which can't mouth the words, those species used translators which very clearly had a lag, and a syntehsized voice.
Than communicate by clicks on their carapace, Calderans communicate by high pitched whistles, and humans genetically modified for aquatic living communicate with sonar and speech. Pyrians communicate by infrared pulses, and CLEARLY have synthesized voices. Magog communicate by ultrasonic squeals which is never translated in show, except manually by Rev Bem.
Vedrans speak the main verbal language which is Paradine, the people who created Vedrans. The other species they fucked with genetically (humans/perseids/chichin) also speak verbal Paradine. So the only species talking to each other on the show without translators are those that have been genetically modified to be able to speak in a certain audible range.
The only species which doesn't need translators and hasn't been fucked with by Paradines are nightsiders (space kikes), who have no sex, and reproduce by shitting out tadpole-like creatures which eat each other and everything in their path, absorbing genetic material of sentient races, until finally they develop into terrestrial adults. They absorbed animal (mostly rat), human and perseid DNA hence their appearance in the show. Nietzscheans kill them for this.
There's <10 species in the entire show, spanning multiple galaxies, any extra variety is either genetic engineering or literal in-universe cosmetics used by humans or aliens.
That's better than TOS, which just has random headknob aliens speaking english and writing in english, singing british pirate drinking songs, and there's a billion different species living in a single star system. whose existence isn't explained.
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1cc69e No.26255
>>26232
Andromeda was a well thought out concept, and because of it's age and relative obscurity it is ripe for a remake if Netflix or Amazon bought the rights.
Better than getting three half-assed nu-Star Treks at once.
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431062 No.26258
>>26255
>Better than getting three half-assed nu-Star Treks at once.
Yes. Then we could add nu-Andromeda to the list.
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1cc69e No.26280
>>26258
This time it'd be different though.
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431062 No.26292
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372417 No.26296
>>26255
>>Netflix remake
Please don't but I'm sure it'll all be coming.
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a592ec No.26319
>>23885
>-Statistics (you beating the odds 1 time will make it LESS likely to do the same the second time!)
That's a misunderstanding of odds in the vein of the gamblers fallacy. Having achieved one unlikely thing in the past has no bearing on achieving an unlikely thing in the future, especially not an unrelated one.
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431062 No.26370
>>26319
Only for independent (unrelated) trials. i.e. The Gambler's fallacy is true for a game like roulette, but not for blackjack. If blackjack is called a bunch early in the deck/shoe, it is less likely to be called at the end. The opposite is also true, this is basically how card counting works.
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1cc69e No.26412
>>26296
Honestly I don't think it was ever popular enough for those in charge to consider it worthwhile. Production would be expensive and it's unlikely to become what people used to call watercooler material. I was wrong.
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1cc69e No.26803
What happened to Fenway Park?
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