No.9755
Duncan Sabien has hit Peak Cringe, aka, reenact the Space Monkey bit of Fight Club but with Moar Ender's Game.
The comments are mostly excited dick-sucking, but one brave anon stands apart, and gets nothing but tone policing for their troubles.
http://lesswrong.com/lw/p23/dragon_army_theory_charter_30min_read/dstl
What the *fuck* happened? Remember when Big Yud's OKCupid profile and basilisk meltdown were the most embarrassing things to come out of this bunch?
Can someone provide any background on the following drama, because it sounds fucking delicious.
> word is going around that Anna Salamon and Nate Soares are engaging in bizarre conspiratorial planning around some unsubstantiated belief that the world will end in ten years
> that bizarre scandal last year in which someone was accidentally impregnated and then decided not to abort the child, going against what had previously been agreed upon, and proceeded to shamelessly solicit donations from the rationalist community to support her child
What the fuck, guys. I gotta know.
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No.9756
>>9755
>Duncan Sabien has hit Peak Cringe
Peaked? Peaked, anon? Let me tell you something, Duncan hasn't even begun to peak. And when he does peak, you'll know. Because he's gonna peak so hard that everybody in California's gonna feel it.
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No.9757
>>9755
Some woman got jizzed up by a rich guy who works for PayPal. You can read all about it on SSC.
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No.9758
>>9757
http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/03/28/ot46-open-rebellion/
Katie (((Cohen))) and she named her daughter Andromeda. Seriously WHERE ARE THE PARENTS
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No.9759
>>9755
To the best of my understanding, part of why the MIRI leadership (Nate Soares, Eliezer Yudkowsky, and Anna Salamon) have been delusionally spewing nonsense about the destruction of the world within a decade is because they've been misled by Dario Amodei, an untrustworthy, blatant status-seeker recently employed at Google Brain. I am unaware of the existence of even a single concrete, object-level reason to believe these claims; I, and many others, suspect that Dario is intentionally embellishing the facts because he revels in attention.
The "bizarre conspiratorial planning" is corroborated by the description of a MIRI insider, several of which are planning on leaving the organization in disgust and dissatisfaction.
While I'm here, I may as well say a bit more:
- Three of the people associated with the Bay Area rationalist community have recently had psychotic breakdowns
- One of them, Eric Bruylant, has been arrested (see http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/04/25/update-city-mental-health-worker-strangled-choked-carjacking-outside-whole-foods/)
- Anna Salamon is on record as having told an acquaintance of Eric – a trans woman with a history of mental health problems – that she herself had a substantial probability of experiencing psychosis and committing suicide in the coming year, which strikes me as a particularly anti-productive thing to say to such a person *even if true*, and also strikes me as simply untrue upon a fuller analysis of the specific probabilities she cited
- Around a year ago, I was sitting around in CFAR minding my own business, when I noticed someone enter the common area and loudly ask if anyone knew what the 'correct interpretation' of entropy was; when my friend responded, he was very dismissive of the answer; he seemed generally autistic, incompetent, and not particularly pleasant; I later learned that this person was Nate Soares
With regard to the bizarre impregnation scandal, Katie Cohen agreed in advance of unprotected sexual intercourse with Will Eden to abort any accidental pregnancy which might occur. Obviously, that didn't happen. Instead, she had the baby, divorced her husband, and since last year has presumably been doing little other than relying on the goodwill of the ``community''.
I am far more sympathetic to the plight of Will Eden and his wife, who were understandably very stressed by these events. I suspect that Katie being a young, single, polyamorous woman has a lot to do with the disproportionate amount of ``sympathy'' she's received thus far – I remember seeing packs of disgusting men following her around at CFAR. It was a repulsive sight.
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No.9760
>>9759
What's Katie's original damage? Bipolar? Borderline? It struck me as strange that someone as competent as Will would stick his dick in that amount of crazy, let alone rawdog it.
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No.9761
Thanks for the explanation about the Katie Cohen fuckery. I was happier not knowing, but hey, That Which Can Be Destroyed By The Truth, right?
That said, what the *fuck*? We have norms and shit for this. If you don't want to get pregnant, use birth control. We live in the future; use long-acting reversible birth control–it's super fucking effective!
Who in the blue FUCK thought, hey, I'm going to be SUPER RATIONAL and say I'm going to raw dog this rando because she promises she'll abort any pregnancy that results–clearly NO ONE in this situation has EVER thought of making A STUPID VERBAL AGREEMENT before!
Before we cast off for brand new uncharted waters of super-clever rationality, perhaps we can find our way around doing stupid soap-opera bullshit. "But I thought he was going to leave his wife for me, his secretary!" Everyone involved is too stupid to fucking live, and "Andromeda" is now living under a curse of having two fucking backbirth morons as parents.
(Also, aren't (((jews))) supposed to be raising cats and making way for heavily-breeding Muslims rather than spermjacking? What's the angle here, or are the (((echoes))) just ironic shitposting?)
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No.9762
Boy, this is kinda awkward in retrospect.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/less-wrong-parents/Bgzc5FHS0C0
I wonder if Will's ill-advised jizz-spewing has caused the members of the fancy ed-tech startup he works at to reconsider his judgment. Probably not; "Founding Principal" means "money source", right?
http://www.alphapublicschools.org/about-us/our-team/
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No.9763
>>9759
lol i'm glad my experience of rationalism is just a list of insight porn blogs to read
>>9761
>(((Also, aren't (((jews))) supposed to be raising cats and making way for heavily-breeding Muslims rather than spermjacking? What's the angle here, or are the (((echoes))) just ironic shitposting?)))
eh? see https://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/2013/02/28/israel-demographic-miracle/ and pics related
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No.9764
Please check the catalog before creating new threads.
>>4437
>>4338
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No.9765
>>9763
Read your own link (I coincidentally read that article earlier). In the US, Reform and secular Jewish fertility is 'extinct in 50 years' tier. It's just partially masked by the fact that ultra-Orthodox are Quiverfull tier.
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No.9766
>>9759
>Dario Amodei
>Amodei
>Ashmedai
>Asmodeus
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No.9767
>>9759
Any more info on this Amodei guy? What has he convinced the MIRI leadership of exactly? Why do they believe him?
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No.9768
>>9759
>Nate Soares
Why did he replace Luke?
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No.9769
>>9759
>- One of them, Eric Bruylant, has been arrested (see http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/04/25/update-city-mental-health-worker-strangled-choked-carjacking-outside-whole-foods/)
Fuck. I was in this facebook group about a shared housing project, and one day we got this post:
>This is definitely not the happiest moment in the story of the Accelerator Project. As some of you are already know, Eric’s current circumstances mean that he won’t be able to fund or help with the project in the foreseeable future.
I would have never thought it was this.
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No.9770
>>9767
He and others wrote the excellent "Concrete Problems in AI Safety" paper. https://arxiv.org/abs/1606.06565
Which is a good way to make the "omgz future evil AI" problem less crackpot and more solvable.
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No.9771
>>9755
http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/03/28/ot46-open-rebellion/#comment-339969
http://archive.is/http://andromeda-collides.tumblr.com/
You can read all about the pregnancy drama in the above links. "A CUTE BABY IN THE INGROUP NEEDS YOUR HELP!" indeed.
No idea about the world-ending conspiracy.
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No.9772
>>9771
>Sometimes I wonder if Will ever thinks about how deeply he’s hurt Andromeda by rejecting her as his daughter. Or if his wife ever thinks about how much enduring pain she created, when she drew her defensive lines against me and my child, rather than let her husband be close to us. How one day Andromeda might be 40 years old, recounting that pain.
What astounding bullshit!
I can't believe they have the gall to frame themselves as the victim in the situation. The victim!
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No.9773
>>9772
Jesus fucking *balls*.
"Well, my mom created me as an attempt to entrap a rich guy who was boning her into a relationship. When he told her to jog on, her husband said he didn't want to raise me either, so her failed attempt at using me to raise my station in the world ended up throwing us *both* into penury, where we begged for our daily bread.
But we were rationalists, so we did it on GoFundMe. So I had that going for me. Also, she fucking named me 'Andromeda'. Can you imagine?"
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No.9774
>>9772
There is a reason why chutzpah is a stereotypically Jewish characteristic.
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No.9775
>>9759
>>9759
When you're so many levels of meta that you're doing nothing object at all.
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No.9776
>>9771
Thanks for the links.
I see that expressing the obvious sentiment–I spermjacked a rich dude and it didn't pan out; may have to leave lifestyle I've become accustomed to; please attach $40k–was banworthy.
Also, motivated stopping much? Katie says she didn't make the fundraiser, but she *does* reject the ideas of applying for child support or moving in with her parents who could support her, because it would make her *sad*. (Also, if you're paying $600 a month for food for two people, one of whom is tiny, and you don't spend any time working, you're not fucking frugal.)
Not one commenter makes the obvious two suggestions for a woman attempting to work from home. (1) Camming, and (2) finding a sugar daddy. Clearly she had enough appeal at some point to achieve (1), and if efukt has taught me anything, it's that you can definitely cam with kids in the house. Plenty of examples of (2)–room and board available, no charge, to a very special lady!–are trivially findable on Craiglist. Presumably you'd have to provide a little something extra to justify the kid, but I'm sure she's creative. And yet the whole thread is angels-on-a-pin arguing about the morality of child support. *Sheesh*.
Reading her comment… here we return to questions about the general health of the community, where incompetent people primarily present for their value as ass-pieces think that they're doing important world-saving work because (as Katie) they edit blog posts for CFAR and "be a sounding board for friends' ideas" (for fuck's sake) or (like Duncan) want to LARP Ender's Game.
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No.9777
>>9759
>Around a year ago, I was sitting around in CFAR minding my own business
>when my friend responded
Aren't you afraid they'll figure out who you are IRL? It's pretty obvious you are Numbers.
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No.9778
>>9777
I'm not particularly well known, and from the information provided it would be difficult to determine my identity.
What actually IS a dead giveaway is my writing style, which is fine, because I'm sufficiently restrictive about who I talk to in real life that the only people who know me well are people who I wouldn't mind knowing about my connection to the comment.
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No.9779
>>9759
Hm. That just sounds like Nate Soares having a bad day. I was at one of the talks he gave (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY3zDvoLoao), and I read him as pleasant, engaging, competent and not offensively autistic. I only spoke with him a bit afterwards, but he definitely wasn't ESR- or RMS-level weird.
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No.9780
>>9755
>but one brave anon stands apart, and gets nothing but tone policing for their troubles.
>waaah why aren't people nice to me when I tell them to kill themselves
Listen, I realize you're basically a hopeless human being, which is why you're on /ratanon/, but pretty much everyone surrounding the Dragon Army thread expressed what I would call "polite doubt" which is how Real People express that they don't think something is a good idea. What they didn't do is tell the OP of that thread to kill himself, which is what Internet Trolls do.
Rest of your post is fine, though.
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No.9781
>>9778
>>4600
You realize that html is not tex, right? Your ``quotation marks'' are no good here.
At least use graves and then acutes, for ``symmetry´´.
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No.9782
>>9780
The kill-yourself bit was absolutely reprehensible. But that terrible idea didn't just deserve polite doubt, it deserved the strongest criticism.
No one else, so far as I could tell, was pointing out that citing managing children during the school day as evidence of being an effective full-time cult leader was *bullshit*. That not even considering the problems of romantic entanglements is a *giant red flag*.
And maybe worst of all, that saying "I totally see the skulls" doesn't equate to *actually doing something to avoid the skulls*. Terrible, terrible failure on the community's part, there.
Compared to what it deserved, polite "well, have you considered tweaking the idea a bit?" doubt might as well be excited dick-sucking.
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No.9783
>>9765
>Read your own link
nuts, you caught me :p thanks for the correction.
>>9761
>I was happier not knowing, but hey, That Which Can Be Destroyed By The Truth, right?
i'm glad to hear about it, so actually, that which can be destroyed by the truth should indeed be!
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No.9784
>>9762
not the same will eden dude
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No.9785
>>9758
Cohen is her ex-husband's name.
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No.9786
>>9784
There's more than one Will Eden in the Bay Area Rich People community? What are the goddamned odds?!
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No.9787
>>9786
So which one knocked her up? The PayPal one or what?
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No.9788
>>9785
Oy vey, she's a shabbos shiksa.
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No.9789
>>9787
VP at Thiel Capital?
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No.9790
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No.9791
>>9790
The level of smug in this article makes me want to slap the shit out of something.
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No.9792
>>9790
>Yudkowsky helped market it to LessWrongers. He was a big fan, as they had helped him resolve his sleep disorder
Too bad they couldn't resolve his fatness or ego problem.
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No.9793
>>9791
Yeah, that's RationalWiki for you.
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No.9794
rationalwiki is fucking evil
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No.9795
>>9793
Do you know who writes it?
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No.9796
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No.9797
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No.9798
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No.9799
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No.9800
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No.9801
>>9800
Do you even anagram bro?
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No.9802
On the dysfunction of the Bay Area Rationalists
or
How to lose roommates and alienate people
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No.9803
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No.10235
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