No.8694
What's the most mindkilled you ever got?
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No.8695
LSD & Shrooms in back in high school.
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No.8696
Virtue ethics in high school
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No.8697
Overcoming Bias back in high school
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No.8698
>>8696
Elaborate please?
(whispers, DESTROY HIM, YOU CAN SAVE US)
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No.8699
>>8696
At least it's better than deontology.
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No.8700
Back in the day when one of my /lit/ real life friends was trying to convince me suffering on it's own isn't bad and that morality just appeared on it's own at some point in time.
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No.8701
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No.8702
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No.8703
>>8702
if you knew, you wouldn't need to read him
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No.8704
>>8703
So you should just tell him and spare him the hassle of reading, right?
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No.8705
>>8704
“Today as always, men fall into two groups: slaves and free men. Whoever does not have two-thirds of his day for himself, is a slave, whatever he may be: a statesman, a businessman, an official, or a scholar.” - Nietzsche
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No.8706
I think the internet is memeing me into a Nazi and I don't know if I can or even want to stop it.
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No.8707
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No.8708
I read TV Tropes for about a week.
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No.8709
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No.8710
Because being an edgelord only seems like a good idea when you are 17 and angry and/or horny all the time. In 10 years you are going to regret getting that swastika tattoo.
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No.8711
>>8709
Because if I'm being memed into it instead of reasoned into it, the change probably isn't epistemically rational.
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No.8712
>>8711
Moral nihilism is the only rational position tho.
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No.8713
>>8712
If you are going to go with any sort of nihilism, why not go whole hog and adopt solipsism?
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No.8714
>>8713
Solipsism is for lightweights, let's go the whole hog and deny qualia outright. Nobody's conscious experience exists, not even mine.
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No.8715
>>8714
that's not what qualia are
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No.8716
>>8713
Because my brain is associated with my consciousness since it becomes impaired when my brain is affected by drugs, so there is good reason to believe that other people who have similar brains - being human - therefore also have this same subjective sensation and are therefore self-aware.
You can't actually prove this 100%, but this is a good reason to lean towards everyone else not being p-zombies.
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No.8717
>>8716
And moral nihilism just means that there's no such thing as objective right and wrong external to your own subjective preferences. What is objectively true is only the fact that the subjective preferences of humans highly correlate with each other because we share a similar evolutionary origin, and certain deleterious preferences have been weeded out. This does not, however, make those preferences wrong in an absolute sense, since nothing is - there is simply no such thing as wrongness in a vacuum - things are only wrong "at" or "for" purposes.
There is simply no rational reason to choose a mainstream center-right or center-left ideology over Nazism, or Islam, or communism. Rationality cannot tell you what your goals are, only what goals would be most effective at fulfilling your chosen purpose.
You cannot derive objective morality purely from the fact that we have evolved to reject moralities that would have led to extermination, because A: that still doesn't provide an objective measure of moral correctness, and B: that still leaves plenty of moralities that are absolutely horrific by the standards of modern center-right/center-left liberalism, but not in anyway evolutionarily deleterious.
Islam, for example, is often condemned as barbarous, but it in no way fails some fitness test for morality that atheistic center ground Western liberalism succeeds at. There are over 1 billion Muslims in the world and the religion is almost 1500 years old. It is has not failed any major tests in terms of survival, so the Sam Harris types might want to pause before they suggest that "is" can be converted into a moral "ought".
Nazism, meanwhile did fail in that the regime that propagated it was defeated. However, A: that may not have been something contingent to Nazi ideology but just the local environment at that historically brief time, and B: even if it was contingent, you may not in fact be against dying in a blaze of fire and destroying your own society in trade for some level of emotional fulfillment. There would be nothing, absolutely nothing "irrational" about this.
The only time rationality would enter into the mix is after you decide, on the most basic level, what you actually want. If what you want more befits a Nazi worldview on a basic emotional level then that's absolutely fine. Where facts and reason enter is the decision as to whether you are fine with the consequences of adopting National Socialism as your preferred mode of activism. Unfortunately, where and how NatSoc fails is not a settled debate and there are very few empirical facts about it that do not depend on interpretation of historical factors and having faith in the authority of different purveyors of different interpretations. If you believe the establishment has got it totally wrong, then they can't help you in building an empirical and rational case for why Nazism is "wrong", and unfortunately you are out at sea and must go with the only recourse left…
…FAITH.
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No.8718
>>8700
There are a number of kinds of suffering I choose to undergo. Something very satisfying about breaking myself down and rebuilding it better. A Good Hurt. You might claim that the satisfaction outweighs the suffering, or that it's not real suffering… but there's no way to apply a numeric value to these things and I'd accuse you of gerrymandering the boundaries of the definition to save a transparently inapplicable framework for measuring human preferences.
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No.8719
Alice Maz mindkills me every time she tweets. I love her. I'm never quite sure whether she's genuinely in the outgroup or if she's just has far better true neutral pragmatist sight than I do.
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No.8720
>>8718
One of the beautiful things about utility is that if you are a rational agent and you decided to take those actions, then you have already communicated to me that you thought the satisfaction outweighed the suffering.
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No.8721
>>8714
This person is the most practical analytical philosopher in the thread.
The truth is, none of us really know whether we exist. Metaphysics is all just a bunch of goddamned spooks.
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No.8722
>>8721
So, is that a diss to analytical philosophy, or do you actually believe this insane memey shitpost of an opinion?
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No.8723
>>8722
I guess that fell flat at the end. I'm trying to mock analytics who try to solve difficult reduction problems by throwing them out the window and denying they ever existed
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No.8724
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No.11212
>>8720
>if you are a rational agent
Do those exist?
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No.11213
>>11212
To a generous enough approximation, most people are.
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No.11214
>>11213
To a generous enough approximation, everything is everything else.
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No.11279
>What's the most mindkilled you ever got?
hmm let me see, they are all about the same level of mindkill
>going out into the general public and talking to strangers
>talking to academics
>thinking through dead theories that are somehow still alive and have followers
>seeing a default facebook feed
>watching any form of news
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No.11418
>>8706
Stop, it's a trap, the Jews can't lose, the universe is biased towards them, hence "gods people"
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No.11482
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No.11545
>>11482
How did you get over it?
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No.11549
>>11545
My topic of interest drifted from gahnoo to other things and I realized how incoherent it was. I was already a utilitarian, and looking at it from the outside, I couldn't really pretend that all proprietary software necessarily makes the world worse because it's proprietary.
I still like free software, and use free software, and write free software, but I've let go of the deontological take.
I don't really trust myself with holding strong opinions any more. That's probably good.
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