No.12167 [Last50 Posts]
https://medium.com/@itai.ilyich/if-i-cant-have-me-no-one-can-kathleen-rebecca-forth-born-april-11-1980-31c49ed15121
Has anyone corroborated any of this? I was sort of believing it, but then there was that bit about someone stalking her
>If this person is stalking me, their plausible deniability is on fleek! I am not even sure I am being stalked.
Which makes her seem super crazy.
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No.12169
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No.12171
>>12167
>seem super crazy
given that she killed herself, her struggles were real enough for her.
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No.12172
>>12169
There is a lot of serious allegations in this whole discussion, but I'm a bit at a loss about why Yudkowsky's math problems deserve to be mentioned in the same breath. That sounds, at most, dorky?
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No.12175
>>12172
Both things are part of the rationalist poly/bdsm/etc culture.
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No.12176
>>12175
Well, that's exactly what disturbs me about this—a lot of the people seem to be insinuating that bdsm or polyamory somehow causes sexual misconduct, which I think sounds doubtful. The last few years of #metoo has shown there are sexual abuse in all kinds of communities and workplaces, even communities that seem completely vanilla.
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No.12177
Man, if Scott gets outed as an abuser it's going to wreck me. He's pretty much my idol. I've based a lot of my personal philosophy around his writing.
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No.12178
Some of Kathy's claims were sound; others (IIRC her claims against Robert Wiblin?) were investigated by an independent evaluator and determined to be incorrect. I think what happened to her was very sad but you should not assume everything she said is accurate.
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No.12180
>The movies get this subtly and horribly wrong. In movies, he protects what he feels like protecting, or what society wants him to protect, or what it is his duty to protect, and the woman is his reward. This is obvious nonsense. In reality, if he protects what I want him to protect — me specifically of course — then I will automatically feel inspired to cherish him.
>Women can protect, too. I’ve had some pretty intense safety pragma directed at me. ;)
>Some women like being dominated in a kinky sense, but I’d bet safety pragma is more common and likely to be lot more powerful. The secret to earning a woman’s willingness to defer is not about being dominant toward the women! The secret is respecting the woman and knowing how to deal with dangerous men who could hurt her. Fantasies about someone ruthlessly crushing a threat gets the strongest response in my case.
>What man will tell you that?
>Men have no incentive to tell you how to attract women.
>Pickup artistry is a sham!
>What would have worked in my case was unacceptable:
>Something that would have worked to save me is if someone clever enough and trustworthy enough offered me protection. I would repay them by cherishing them. The level of enthusiasm and dedication I would offer would be a costly signal that I really needed them. I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to offer sex in exchange for bodyguard services and security work. I didn’t keep this relationship between protection and arousal a complete secret of course, but I couldn’t advertise it widely enough to make it likely to succeed, especially given that I am selective, and that some of my enemies are a challenge. I needed someone special.
>Nobody I know has ever heard of anything like the safety pragma I describe. It’s too weird. It resembles prostitution. I don’t want food or money for sex. I’d rather die than accept that. Sex is disgusting when I am not aroused. Trading it for food or money would probably traumatize me. I can’t help that it turns me on when people defend me against others. If the safety pragma phenomenon were more widely understood and accepted, I’d have been able to do something with this situation. Had I tried to explain this, I would have been viewed with suspicion, like I was trying to use my body get someone to arbitrarily attack people and gain power for the sake of power.
>No. I would love my protector.
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No.12181
>>12172
>>12176
1. Claims of sexual weirdness are soldiers.
2. They are stronger when deployed together.
3. /r/SneerClub wants to feel righteous and own the despised outgroup.
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No.12182
Why on earth are you guys circlejerking about sneerclub.
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No.12183
>>12182
Because the important thing is to always be one meta level higher than the other guy
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No.12184
crazy crazy. you can see it all over. friends might have noticed something was wrong if they saw the 30 page essay on sexual violence on ea forum. she was crazy and this was her obsession. her suicide has nothing to do with sexual violence, that was what her mind went to.
look for it in your own friends. thats what you should learn here. in "smart" people crazy comes out different.
funny how she only saw women black and white, only as victims. a lot of the women in rat are abusive and manipulative. and crazy. lots more room to be the prince here if youre a woman.
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No.12185
>>12177
If Scott gets outed as an abuser it could only increase my respect for him. Of course not getting outed in the first place is even better, but then I can't know whether he has the guts to do it.
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No.12187
>>12183
This is the only thing that matters.
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No.12188
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No.12189
>>12177
He seems like too big of a pussy to sexually harass anyone.
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No.12190
>>12189
It's always the most friendly, compassionate seeming people who are the worst. I bet Scott could totally psychologically wreck an impressionable college girl without laying a hand on her.
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No.12192
>>12188
>I have no idea how to find my way around rationalist tumblr, but I imagine that there's a healthy amount of drama going on there too. This is gonna be good.
http://mailadreapta.tumblr.com/post/175111063142/before-i-read-kathy-forths-suicide-note-search
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No.12193
>>12190
Even his blog posts are apparently emotional torture.
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No.12194
>>12188
>"one hot nubile college girl a year until I turn forty"
>"I had sex with a woman at Burning Man. She was possessed by Isis, and she told me I was John Galt incarnated to bring the Earth to Ascension. I have to break up with you to follow her. You don't do anything for me."
>"I can't wait to be a hot poly dad at 40, that way I can date someone half my age and have it be legal."
>"I am personally insulted that no one in New York City takes care of themselves enough to be even close to an 8. My fiance and I are 10s, everyone else is slacking and it's gross."
>"It doesn't matter that your feet hurt because nothing matters in the end! Isn't that great?"
>"What is she so upset about? I spend almost 80% of my energy on her when she's in my space. I'm allowed to sext other people when she's asleep."
I wish I was alpha enough to say shit like that and not give a fuck.
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No.12195
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No.12196
>>12176
>a lot of the people seem to be insinuating that bdsm or polyamory somehow causes sexual misconduct
I wonder why on earth anyone could possibly think that
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No.12197
>>12167
https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/04/17/ssc-survey-results-sexual-harassment-levels-by-field/ seems to contradict Kathy Forth's opening statement.
>Male dominated environments create a disadvantage for women in terms of sexual violence.
If the results are to be believed, at least at work women face less sexual harassment in male-dominated fields than in more evenly mixed fields.
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No.12198
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No.12200
>>12188
The most interesting thing in that thread is that some people genuinely believe that Scott is actually an alt-right propagandist posing as a friendly liberal.
As evidence to the contrary we need only present Scott's lifestyle - homosexual activity, bigamy, and drug use are merely the most prominent of the many degenerate behaviours the good Doctor engages in.
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No.12202
>>12200
>As evidence to the contrary we need only present Scott's lifestyle - homosexual activity, bigamy, and drug use are merely the most prominent of the many degenerate behaviours the good Doctor engages in.
On the other hand, isn't Milo also an alt-right propagandist?
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No.12203
>>12200
>homosexual activity
Tell me more.
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No.12204
>>12203
I went to a couple of the LW meetups and it turns out that literally everyone is Yudsexual.
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No.12205
>>12202
A strong rebuttal, though I personally believe the Greek fellow as one who merely seeks controversy rather than one who holds sincere beliefs of any sort.
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No.12206
I vaguely remember this drama. Isn't this person why Scott made his Tumblr less visible? They're claiming that Scott bullied them and sicced his followers on them.
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No.12207
>>12204
That does not count as "homosexual activity", though, unless they actually go out and have sex with Yud.
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No.12208
>>12206
Oh my god, I was reading the same thing just now. Jeysiec finally found SneerClub! that's a match made in heaven.
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No.12209
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No.12210
>>12207
I think that's what they were implying. Also, I thought Ozy was a trans man? Wouldn't that count?
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No.12211
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No.12212
>>12198
Her tweets are completely and utterly insane
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No.12213
>>12210
It's not gay if it's a feminine penis
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No.12214
>>12206
> Isn't this person why Scott made his Tumblr less visible?
I thought that was because that depressed canadian neoreactionary doxxed him and called him a (((levantine))) on tumblr
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No.12215
>>12211
biological leninism
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No.12216
Degeneracy and virtue are not mutually exclusive but they do anticorrelate. The BDSM narrative is funny, fetishizing formality to obscure all the unsavory shit that goes on. It's not hard to make someone consent to anything.
"I'm shocked! It's not against the rules!" they say. (Why the feigned shock?)
Should judge by results, is this "kink" community making people better?
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No.12217
>>12182
They have two hobbyhorses:
1. rationalists are weird (true)
2. HBD isn't real (false)
laughing with them on 1 is roughly as fun as laughing at them on 2
>>12188
>SSC emotional torture
lmao
>hitler dubs
LMAO
>>12213
Ozy is female. Just had a kid actually.
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No.12218
>>12210
Not really. It's Ozy and not Buck Angel, so you only get a couple gay points.
>>12213
A transMAN, anon, i.e., an f2m.
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No.12219
>>12188
Some people just can't handle Tom Swifties.
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No.12220
>>12219
>It's the Leviathan…
Baby please no not tonight oh god no I've been good haven't I-
>said Tom
NO PLEASE NO NO PLEASE NO PLEASE
>superficially
[Cut to ext Group House as screaming begins. Slow pan out, fade to black. Screaming (interspersed with hysteric sobbing) continues as credits roll.]
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No.12223
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No.12224
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No.12225
>>12224
>taking her reasoning about her suicide at face value says more about dysfunction in the rationalist community than any of the claims about sexual harassment
Absolutely savage.
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No.12227
So… she added a copyright notice to her suicide note?
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No.12228
>>12227
The copyright may be inherited by someone else.
But more realistically, "CC BY-SA" means "feel free to share this and adapt it, even into commerical works", not "if you break the license I will sue you from beyond the grave". The default state, without any sort of notice, is "all rights reserved". This is just a simple way to explicitly waive a lot of restrictions.
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No.12229
>>12228
I just think it's funny that she's worrying about attribution before killing herself.
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No.12230
>>12229
It's weird if you look at it that way, but the notice doesn't even affect attribution. It's a permission to share it around, not an assertion of anything that wouldn't be automatically asserted without a notice.
Copyright law is odd.
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No.12231
>>12223
I always forget how good nrx comment sections are.
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No.12232
>>12227
>>12229
Copyright in basically every country lasts for several decades after the death of the author. Since Kathy has no children and has not established a estate, and it is unlikely that her parents or other inheritors would have bothered to manage her copyright holdings, her works would have been orphaned for the next 70 years in America, Britain, and Australia (50 years in Canada). By licensing her suicide note under CC-BY-SA 4.0, she made sure that it would not fall into legal limbo and people could share it freely by adhering to a very simple set of conditions. This was very thoughtful of her; I wish more people would have the common decency to release their works under a free license before they die.
As for attribution, that's a default term in all the Creative Commons licenses. They used to offer licenses without attribution but then they found out that 98% of creators requested the attribution clause, so they just stopped offering non-BY licenses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries%27_copyright_lengths
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_license#Types_of_licenses
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No.12233
>>12232
>I wish more people would have the common decency to release their works under a free license before they die.
Anyone at all is free to repost my anonymous imageboard OC before, during, and after my death.
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No.12234
>>12230
>>12229
She may have wanted to ensure that derivative works of her suicide note remain free to redistribute, too, otherwise she could have chosen CC-BY or CC0.
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No.12235
From Ozy (Scott's ex-partner):
>…to the best of my knowledge, kathy forth’s accusations were investigated by CEA, which found them to be unfounded because they were physically impossible. in spite of the accusation being found impossible, the experience was positive enough that kathy forth specifically highlights julia wise, the point person for abuse accusations, as a good member of the EA community. I am not actually sure what we can improve on here.
https://cptsdcarlosdevil.tumblr.com/post/175122381583/jbeshir-it-isnt-obvious-to-me-that-suicide
She also disputes the claims made by this woman >>12188.
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No.12237
>>12235
Does she have any details about Big Yud's math pets? How hard are the math problems he gives them? Are we talking about calculating simple integrals or multidimensional differential equations? Do they have to do them while strapped to a St. Andrew's Cross or can they use pen and paper? Is the calculator allowed?
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No.12238
>>12237
I vaguely recall Eliezer mentioning something similar to the math pet on Facebook, but in the opposite direction: that he made one of his partners (who was good at math) tutor him as service. Hopefully there will be some more detailed gossip eventually.
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No.12239
It is scary that gossip is as entertaining as it is.
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No.12240
>>12239
Gossip incentivizes norm-following by providing a mechanism to identify, build consensus around, and remove cheaters. It's a highly underrated piece of social technology.
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No.12247
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No.12248
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No.12249
>>12248
What if both are true? Kathy could've been simply insane (looks that way) but the sexual behaviour in the cult still strikes me as dangerous, clueless (harboring antisocial shits) and degenerate.
Anyone who's part of it mind telling me if it's making people better in general, or just breaking them / convincing them to finance Yud?
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No.12251
>>12169
>math problems in the middle of play
I will never be this alpha
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No.12252
Things that need to be said:
1) In a community with such a gender ratio it is inevitable that women will receive a huge amount of abuse. This is because abusers have less potential targets. This is true even in the case where individual men in the cummunity are less likely to be abusers compared to men in the general population (which I belive to be the case).
This is why the /r/sneerclub response of "see we told you rationalists are evil" is retarded.
2) She was mentally ill to the point of suicide. There is no way for me to say it without sounding evil but it's likely that her interpretations of certain events were influenced by her mental state and should be taken with a grain of salt.
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No.12253
>>12180
>safety pragma
Also known as "a boyfriend"
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No.12257
>>12252
>There is no way for me to say it without sounding evil
Don't worry about that, this is one of the most important uses of an anonymous imageboard. And besides, noted non-evil guy scott alexander also said as much as
<it's likely that her interpretations of certain events were influenced by her mental state and should be taken with a grain of salt.
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No.12258
> Roko (Yes, the Basilisk guy.) He touched my thigh at Signal Data Science where I was living and training to become a data scientist. I moved my legs away. He touched my thigh again.
He was just trying to introduce her to "the Basilisk"
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No.12261
>>12258
Roko's basilisk is suddenly triggering.
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No.12265
>>12258
If the guy who wrote the nydwracu x nostalgebraist fiction is reading this, could you please write another fiction, featuring these two characters, please? Using the quoted sentences as the first sentences of the story?
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No.12266
>>12265
Seems in poor taste.
I know that's what we're here for. But even then.
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No.12270
>>12266
No you have poor taste. That would be awesome.
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No.12273
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No.12275
Another take on this whole thing:
http://www.ericwulff.com/blog/?p=1946
It was downvoted to hell on the subreddit so you know it has to be good.
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No.12277
>>12275
Thanks for linking this blog. I'm trying to learn Japanese and this guy has a lot of interesting things to say about learning a second language.
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No.12278
https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/8twc72/serious_a_post_about_jaxs_reactions_to_the
Have some delicious picked cherries:
>Which leads to: the only actual accusation most people know about is Kathy's. Which I shared. My work, along with several others', is why it's fucking public. It didn't magically appear out of the aether. I put it there.
>I'm so tired. I'm so tired […] of being ignored. It's so much easier to discourse with the madwoman who can't fight back, so the madwoman who will scratch and claw and bite to try and make things safer is best only spoken of in whispers and innuendo.
Least charitable interpretation possible:
>WHY IS NO ONE PAYING ATTENTION TO ME REEEeeeEEeEE
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No.12279
>>12278
> Shit like this, this, this and this seem innocent, but they hit deep and in several complex ways: There is no mention of me. Ever.
Wow, she must be a pretty big deal.
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No.12280
Why is David "reddragdiva" Gerard such a cunt?
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No.12281
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No.12282
>>12280
Gerard smells blood and wants to use this to take down movement Rationalism, but it looks like this event falls just under the threshold for even the gutter-tier leftist "journalists" to pay attention: the person who killed herself is a nobody, the people she named are nobodies (also relevant for libel issues), and the one non-nobody caught up in this – EA – is also the one even the leftists have mostly agreed behaved impeccably even by their own leftist standards.
So who is left to "put on blast"? A bunch of transkids living in polyamorous group housing in Berkeley?
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No.12283
>>12280
>>12281
redfagdiva actually has a son and I have to wonder how much assraping and mindblasting he takes from his father every day.
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No.12284
>>12248
Could you screenshot Millie's post, too?
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No.12285
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No.12286
>>12280
From his posts in the SA NRx thread, where he loves to hold court and brag about his association with Elizabeth Sandifer, he seems to me like a sociopathic literate lefty who's seeing a juicy power vacuum that was made just for him, Amigara Fault-style.
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No.12287
No matter who is right or wrong, the impression this discussion gives of the meatspace rationalist community is really offputting. Why do they have to be so weird?
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No.12288
>>12194
> he wanted to date all the womens and even made up a song parody about it ("Poly Girls" to the tune of the Pokemon theme song, it was gross)
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No.12289
>>12287
Misfits and weirdos are always going to accumulate in communities that don't judge by the usual (societal) standards, and the only thing rats care about is if you read the same blogs as them.
Also, high prevalence of autism-spectrum disorders and the usual high-IQ maladies - depression, bipolar disorder, anxiety, dysphoria, autogynephila, etc.
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No.12291
>>12278
She also blatantly lied and claimed that nostalgebraist said she didn't exist and was invented by David Gerard.
http://archive.is/vT8G0
>Congrats to @reddragdiva for apparently making me up to support his own hatred of LessWrongers! I want to congratulate him for putting seven or eight years of work into creating a credible female human who went from “sheltered Tea Party homeschooled straight” to “softhearted lefty bisexual artist with trauma”. I especially love the veracity he included with the moodboards, the stupid poetry, the hyperfocus special interests, and especially the faked selfies.
Reddit thread which she has since deleted:
>A LessWronger insists I don't exist. Arthur Chu thinks otherwise.
http://archive.is/S9vT4
>I once ran a LARP for Arthur, we've kind of been buddies ever since.
If you actually read the nostalgebraist post she linked there's no such claim, there's not even anything that could be misinterpreted that way:
https://archive.is/QnCrB
The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that this was a roundabout way to complain about him not mentioning her. But blatantly lying because the lie represents how she feels about something doesn't do wonders for her credibility. People are interested in if her accusations are true and undistorted, not in whether they feel metaphorically true from inside her head.
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No.12292
Does anyone with rl access to the community want to comment on whether this could turn into Rationalism's Elevatorgate, and the community coul actually split along the lines of social justice about this?
As someone only reading the stuff online it seems to me that RuffleJax is basically complaining about bad breakups and is trying to use the brewing shitstorm to exact revenge, but I don't trust the rat community to have good judgement on this.
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No.12293
The funniest part of the ordeal has to be Jax's repeated casual dropping of Scott's real last name. Does she want someone to doxx him and is too much of a pussy to ask? Have the SJWsfinally come for Scott?
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No.12294
>>12292
I have a feeling that the hardcore Bay-Area rationalism-as-a-lifestyle people don't really post here.
My personal prediction is that it will blow over. In fact, it's already mostly blown over. The attacks are all coming from ideological enemies outside of the community: as far as I can tell there's not much of an internal schism.
But I'm as much an outsider to you. I'm not privy to any secret information.
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No.12295
The only way something comes of this is if some journalist with nothing else to do writes about this, and connects it to #METOO or Peter Thiel or Silicon Valley or some other bogeyman or cultural narrative.
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No.12296
>>12292
On rationalist tumblr nobody in the core in-group seems to unequivocally condemn the rationalist community. It's growing towards a single consensus, not multiple.
A lot of people think there's something of a problem, but the completely anti-rationalist posts on my dash come exclusively from people who didn't consider themselves rationalists in the first place.
That's just my impression of a limited subset though.
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No.12297
Has anyone else noticed that there's really one main tribal group that really dislikes rationalist? People that hate us seem to almost always be lefties, both socially and economically. I'm talking about the kind that really hates "techobros", "stemlords", "classism", Silicon Valley, tech and technocrats.
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No.12299
>>12297
I think that's a social coincidence, not an ideological feature. The rationalist subculture is mostly embedded in upper-class (?) leftist culture, so most of the people who are close enough to care at all come from there.
The grey tribe is embedded in the blue tribe.
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No.12302
>>12293
They don't hate rationalists so much as they just hate nerdy Logical™ techbros. Rationalists are a good target because they're like 90% nerdy techbros and 10% nerdy transwomen. Every other demographic is a rounding error.
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No.12303
>>12297
It's a bit obscure and underground, you probably haven't heard of it, but for more discussion on this topic you should really read a blog called "slate star codex".
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No.12304
>>12297
All I remember from those things is that there's a bad guy called Moloch, some liberals cried racist and neoreactionaries read an FAQ.
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No.12305
>>12291
> arthur chu mindkill.jpg
Cognitive Dissonance: The Post
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No.12307
>>12304
"Rationalism" is a cult based around the writings of a charismatic self-identified genius, Eliezer Yudkowsky. Like all cults, it uses a range of obscure language to obscure its dark inner workings - cultists fear and worship 'egregores' (a kind of a mind-god), avoid 'mind-killing', and engage in behaviour such as 'circling' and 'steelmanning'. Suffice it to say that the cult typically preys on intelligent, educated individuals, particularly those with more mental health. On the surface, Rationalism seems to have more in common with a self-help doctrine than a religion, but careful study reveals that core members of the group (in particular the community centred on San Francisco) pray to evil gods birthed in the future in an attempt to avert eternal suffering.
Members are encouraged to give generously to 'charities' run by high-ranking Rationalists, and especially to Yudkowsky's 'charity' - the innocuous-looking named 'Machine Intelligence Research Institute'. The fact that this 'research institute' has produced no fruit for all the money invested into it by devotees is telling.
A splinter group of especially rabid Rationalists, led by notorious antisemite Scott "Stonin' the Kohens" Alexander meshes the apocalyptic millenialism of mainstream Rationalism with the vicious rightwing orthodoxy of the alt-right. This sect refers to itself as 'The Grey Tribe". Alexander - referred to by his followers as 'The Rightful Caliph', has consistently denied that he uses the blood and organs of abandoned infants in rites intended to appease the ancient Carthaginian demon Moloch. A former member of the cult, who agreed to be interviewed on condition of anonymity, stated that:
>"Scott always said it was OK because the babies weren't really sentient. He said it was no worse than killing a nigg- an Easy African. Sorry. Old habits, you know?"
In recent times, a number of former cultists have come forward with stories about life under the Rationalists - including shocking tales of 'cuddle puddles' - actually drug-fueled BDSM orgies. Following the suicide of a prominent former cultist earlier this month, the Rationalists have closed ranks and refused to accept the blame for her death. But the cracks are showing, and those of the anti-cult advocacy group Sneer Club hope that this bizarre, brutal modern-day religion will soon collapse under the weight of its own evil.
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No.12308
>>12307
You should really heed the advice to make your own board, disproportionate verbal intelligence anon.
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No.12313
>>12297
Yeah, they're called faggots
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No.12314
>>12291
>arthur chu mindkill.jpg
Jeese, what a terrifying drone.
I wanted to point out that shitposting about the culture war on the internet is unlikely to be the most effective way for him to attain whatever his political goals are. But I guess it's entirely possible that the "SJW" meme-complex that he holds is so much more virulent that even despite individual carriers being less effective as individuals, the meme overall is more successful than an equivalent "effective activism" would be.
Anyway, I still think I, as an individual, can achieve my goals more effectively than Arthur Chu, because I'm not wasting my time mindkilling myself into a soldier. My brain is too useful to waste time on politics. And, again, as an individual, instead of shitposting on the internet I'd just donate to some lobbyists. "Folk activism" is a waste of time, y'know…
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No.12315
>>12314
>My brain is too useful to waste time on politics.
Posting shit no one cares about on imageboards and fapping to anime on the other hand…
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No.12316
>>12206
Ah, jeysiec now got pissed off by SneerClub *also*. Somehow, this makes me like her more, she's an equal-opportunity grouch.
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No.12317
>>12198
>women being rational
they just use the jargon to signal, women are incessant signallers rather than actualisers. there are no "punk women", for example, only chicks who picked up the aesthetic bc their old boyfriend were really into it
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No.12318
>>12315
That's recreation, it's permitted in small amounts.
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No.12319
>>12317
What's there to 'punk' other than the aesthetic though? disclaimer: am young
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No.12320
>>12317
There are no "punk men", either, just dudes who picked up the aesthetic in order to make themselves more attractive to girls.Everything men do is predicated on making sex more available, there's literally no exceptions.
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No.12323
>>12319
>>12320
I see your point, bad example. For what it's worth, there are some genuine OG punks out there that are really into anarchism, rebellion and everything else that punk entails, and they absolutely loathe posers, phoneys and and those that treat it as image instead of ideology (where the image happens to trickle down from).
When a man signals/peacocks that he belongs to specific subculture or tribe, there's more of an expectation that he can express authentic commitment to that group, that he genuinely abides by the groups values. Men get tested on this way more. It could even be DnD or some other spergy niche, you must know the minimum level of jargon to have stable communication and interaction.
When a girl joins one of these subcultures it's "tee hee go easy on me silly boys". Can you name any non-gender-specific subcultures/groups that women are known to genuinely embody that group's ideas where men do not?
It's the basis of the girl gamer vs real gamer, femanon vs real anon, girls who code vs real programmers. This is beyond "beliefs as attire", it's about the flanderised representation of another group as fashion, e.g. women who dress "goth" but have none of the internal traits associated with "goth". The only ideology founded by women seems to be feminism, and it talks exclusively about women, women made a group to talk about themselves instead of a productive and creative project outside themselves.
With "female rationalists", I've found them easier to bait emotionally and to dazzle with the jargon than seeing them respond in a way that suggests they have learnt rationality and consistently embody some of its ideas.
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No.12331
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No.12339
>>12331
>The name is a two-pronged claim of superior holiness:
>“Caring” because, well, of course she is more compassionate than you.
>“Unit of” because she approaches things, even caring, in a systematic, scientific way; that is to say, she is smarter than you.
On one hand, he's right. On the other hand, the idea that people wiser and more compassionate than yourself should not rule over you is counterintuitive (to say the least). But I guess you can't argue with results.
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No.12351
>>12320
At least frame this as something like "status drives evolved in an environment where following them correlated with increased reproductive success". Or am I getting trolled?
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No.12352
>>12339
>authority should be granted to people who most want the world filled with africans
Neat entailment there, friend.
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No.12355
>>12352
That's what I was referring to with 'results'. I.e it sounds nice until you realise the purported wise smart bigbrains are just nigger worshippers, and having them in charge sucks
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