No.10425
Do you agree?
Only we Greys rule.
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No.10428
I think that categorizing beliefs as "rational" or "irrational" according to which groups believe them is a particularly terrible way of looking for the truth, and that feeling smug about your identity like this is directly harmful.
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No.10429
I think irrationality can be seen as an illness. A libtard is just a Christian lunatic who has deconverted without learning rationality. Hence the mindset of a libtard is surprisingly similar to that of a Christian faith-head.
The Blue Tribe is just a bunch of former Red Tribe people who claim to believe in evolution but…..not human evolution lol.
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No.10430
>>10428
The main issue with the two irrational tribes isn't their respective beliefs some of which are actually reasonable. Instead it is their reasoning that is truly horrible.
I agree that I need to back off because we are still in the Blue and Red Oceans.
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No.10431
>>10425
There is no Grey Tribe, there's only Red, Blue, and "independents" - bumps under the tyres of whichever tribe is advancing, like the populations of the contested territories in 1984.
As polarisation continues to increase, your choice (if you want to survive) is simple: Communist or Fascist. I know which way I'm going.
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No.10432
>>10431
In essence I'm an independent who hates basically every irrational force.
If I have to choose between Communism and Fascism I pick the latter.
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No.10433
From my experience "Greys" are just as, if not more irrational than blues and reds.
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No.10435
>>10431
That might just be a bug of America's first past the post electoral system. Look at how Australia does it with instant-runoff voting. The two main parties tend towards the middle and the extreme voters are safe to protest via third parties without sabotaging their own interests.
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No.10437
>>10433
Why?
Would you please provide an example?
>>10435
I think that's because of demographics.
America has too many blacks who for one reason or another do not function well in the modern American society.
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No.10438
Of course libtards don't understand that life is harsh and all rights are maintained by power only.
If blacks and mestizos will ever function well on this planet in the future it will be due to themselves, not libtards or Christian sentimentalist coddlers.
Some time ago Japanese and Poles were despised too. Yet they improved on their own. They didn't improve because of love or coddling from others. Instead they improved on their own.
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No.10463
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No.10467
Am I the only one here who fucking hates libshits and is pretty much a poltard without even visiting that place but whenever I take a test online I end up on the left and libertarian no matter what ?
What is this sorcery ? I noticed a few days ago.
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No.10468
>>10467
Sounds like you might not actually be a /pol/tard. Are you sure you don't just think that because you hate liberals? I only look there occasionally, but I know >>>/leftypol/ likes to hate liberals.
If the first reason you can think of for not being a leftist is that you dislike a certain category of leftists then you're evaluating people, not ideas.
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No.10473
>>10463
I consider these two tribes to be just mirror images of each other and we should transcend them. Let's take some good ideas from the Blues and some good ideas from the Reds. We can also take some good ideas from more controversial people. At least ISIS teaches us why fundamentalism does not work and National Socialists left us highways. Of course we reject beheadings and concentration camps.
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No.10475
Furthermore proper understanding of the issue of blacks and their lack of development should not lead to the false belief that their problems are inherent to their race.
I personally believe that high-IQ races evolved high IQ because the environment they lived in were so harsh that many people in lower classes died without having kids. Hence the problem isn't that blacks are inherently inferior to whites or the Japanese. Instead the problem is that many among the ancient low-IQ people who lived with ancestors of modern whites or Japanese people simply died. This eugenic natural selection did not take place among blacks hence blacks turned out to be without such refinements.
There might be some moderate IQ advantage Africa-ditchers had over those who continued to stay in Africa. However such an effect is probably not the most important factor that contributes to the W-B IQ gap.
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No.10477
>>10468
I also visit that place from time to time. I also dislike most people there.
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No.10480
>>10473
>we should transcend them
True, but that does not mean we should become a new tribe. We should _not_ have a set of core beliefs that are correct and members should take.
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No.10481
>>10480
>We should _not_ have a set of core beliefs that are correct and members should take.
Can we at least kill everybody else?
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No.10482
>>10481
I think that's "unethical" or something
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No.10483
>>10481
I guess… That or assimilate them into the no-idea-pack un-tribe; aka "raising the sanity waterline". Which seems quite hard…
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No.10484
>>10480
We can say that Greys are the non-tribe. We should not require anything other than pursuing and valuing truth. Let's follow evidence wherever it leads.
>>10483
I agree that the irrational masses need to be rationalized. They need to either be assimilated or be made harmless through making them more sane.
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No.10506
>>10484
The whole point of the section of Scott's essay on tribalism that coined "grey tribe" is that us nerds are exactly as vulnerable to tribalist biases as everyone else, we just have a different outgroup.
Defining "our tribe" as "the non-tribe" is one of the most tribalist things you can possibly do, and for rationality's sake we should never ever do it.
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