No.10110 [Last50 Posts]
Society is becoming more sexually segregated, and that's a bad thing. The growth of Islam in the West is a direct cause, but there are also other reasons.
1. Universities are now female spaces. Go to any university, and it's going to be like 70% women at least. What's even worse is that the classes are binary. They are either overwhelmingly male or overwhelmingly female. Second year physics? 90% men. Second year psychology? 90% women.
2. The internet is extremely segregated. Every subreddit, Facebook page, and hashtag is either used by women or men. Websites tend to be male dominated or female dominated. 4chan is overwhelmingly male and Etsy is overwhelmingly female.
3. No one goes out anymore because everyone is broke and inner cities have crime, terrorism, or both. In the 90s, young people went to mixed sex concerts and bars, which are now basically banned in Sweden thanks to Muslims. http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40504452
4. The majority of young men never develop female friends now, lovers, or girlfriends until they are over 30 thanks to things like Tinder. 20% of men get 80% of the action, so 80% of men basically have no women in their life other than there mom. Even worse, small families mean that many men don't even have a sister anymore.
5. Video games are even more sexually binary than university classes. Pick a game, any game, and it's going to be at least 70% one sex or the other.
This is the destruction of the social norm that basically defined the modern West. We are becoming Asians on our own soil.
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No.10111
This unisex social norm that you imagine never actually existed.
Turn yourself into one of the 20% and stop whining.
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No.10112
>>10111
>Turn yourself into one of the 20% and stop whining.
Totally sustainable societal model conducive to family creation and replacement fertility. /s Also, I'm like 170 cm, so that's never happening, even if I get fit again.
>Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Why don't poor people just buy more money?
When did you realize that LessWrong was actually a stealth Young Republicans group?
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No.10113
>>10110
I think there's too much segregation, but you haven't convinced me it's becoming worse.
>1. Universities are now female spaces. Go to any university, and it's going to be like 70% women at least. What's even worse is that the classes are binary. They are either overwhelmingly male or overwhelmingly female. Second year physics? 90% men. Second year psychology? 90% women.
Mathematics here is 60% men, I think. Has this actually become worse over time? At some points in the past it was way more segregated.
> 3. No one goes out anymore because everyone is broke and inner cities have crime, terrorism, or both. In the 90s, young people went to mixed sex concerts and bars, which are now basically banned in Sweden thanks to Muslims. http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40504452
As long as a segregated concert makes international news it's safe to say that mixed sex concerts are not "basically banned".
> 5. Video games are even more sexually binary than university classes. Pick a game, any game, and it's going to be at least 70% one sex or the other.
Is this different from other entertainment at other times? Ever heard of the Bechdel test?
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No.10114
More opportunities and choice = more gender specialization, not less
I think any solution would be worse than the "problem"
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No.10115
>>10114
>thinks giving women a choice is a good thing.
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No.10116
OP has no comprehension whatsoever of what life was like before they were born.
Universities were frequently all men or all women institutions, and the ones that accepted both had strictly separated housing and rules governing any mingling. The Internet has gotten far less sex segregated than it was even in the early-mid 2000s, when it was almost exclusively dudes and using the Internet was still frequently viewed as ultra nerdy when that still had a negative connotation. Online dating was a dirty secret, and if you happened to meet someone via that you'd lie about where you met to other people. Crime rates were significantly higher in the 1990s than today; in many areas more than double.
>4. The majority of young men never develop female friends now, lovers, or girlfriends until they are over 30 thanks to things like Tinder. 20% of men get 80% of the action, so 80% of men basically have no women in their life other than there mom. Even worse, small families mean that many men don't even have a sister anymore.
Yeah, I remember thinking that way. If your circles are mostly other guys that spend half their lives on the internet and places like 4chan and 8chan, that's the view you're going to develop based on the skewed demographic you're surrounded by. For most people in society, this is not the case. People go online and vent about being socially unhappy; socially happy and fulfilled people don't go around bringing it up randomly online.
The Vidya part is true, but mainly because neckbeards who flip shit at the sound of a woman's voice among the most dedicated and obsessive players.
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No.10117
>and that's a bad thing
Is it? Going by my life experience, all-male teams of white collar workers should outperform and be happier than 10%-50% female teams even if the female workers are of the same quality due to the differences in social dynamics.
>20% of men get 80% of the action
You may notice that hypergamy was at its lowest during a period of great sexual segregation. If you want to reduce hypergamy, you should embrace Islam or a return to older social mores.
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No.10118
>>10112
You mean Young Reactionaries. OP should just read Moldbug, Roissy, GNXP, hbdchick and the rest before he wastes his life reinventing it all.
https://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/04/open-letter-to-open-minded-progressives.html
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No.10119
> 80% of men basically have no women in their life other than there mom
Stop with the badly-spelled "incel" BS. Stop whining and start dating. "Incels" are just men whose standards are too high. Don't become the male equivalent of the cat ladies.
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No.10120
>>10110
>Society is becoming more sexually segregated, and that's a bad thing
Sometimes, sometimes not. Some of it is just biology. Legal segregation is bad sure.
>Islam in the West
As long as we don't get significantly greater mass migration waves, the Muslim population is estimated to be 10% of Europe by 2050. Check the Pew data.
It's a minor crime and terrorism issue so far that has little effect on wider gender relations. Muslims remain a small proportion of the European population and are expected to remain a small proportion out to the middle of this century. Don't sweat it. If millions upon millions come from Africa we can always just kill them all anyway.
1: True. I'm not sure why this is happening but I don't think it's due to decline. More like redundancy. The male IQ spread is larger than the female IQ spread. When you're a post-industrial economy, the stupid men are fucked, whereas the really smart men can switch roles. Women cluster closer around their IQ average, so as stupid men become redundant, you'd expect educational institutions to become mostly women, while having the most difficult degrees dominated by smart men.
2: The internet is segregated because men and women are different biologically and have generally different interests. The internet has super low exit and entrance costs to different communities, so it's as close as possible to a free market exposing our revealed preferences. It's not a problem to be solved. Even in the past men always went to men's clubs and so on when they were tired of their wives.
3:
>No one goes out anymore because everyone is broke and inner cities have crime, terrorism, or both
Hyperbole much?
>which are now basically banned in Sweden thanks to Muslims
They are pretty rapey, but there was a pre-existing feminist establishment in Sweden that was already pushing for this stuff. Remember that before the migrant crisis, feminists were going on about "rape culture" for years.
4:
>The majority of young men never develop female friends now, lovers, or girlfriends until they are over 30
I'm pretty sure this is wrong. I agree that this is trend, but I still think that it's the minority of kissless dweebs that are losing out as they already have. Maybe that minority is larger now, but going outside I see way too many couples to take this manosphere talking point seriously without stacks of data.
>20% of men get 80% of the action, so 80% of men basically have no women in their life other than there mom.
Citations? I know there is a trend and millennials are having less sex, but it's no where near that dramatic. Most men in their 20s have or have had girlfriends. Maybe 30 yr old virgins have moved up from 1% of the populace to 3% or something like that. This monopolization of women by "alphas" just isn't happening. Maybe the women are sluts and are also sleeping with the "alphas", but it can't be the way this talking point makes it out to be. Just doesn't add up.
5:
>Video games are even more sexually binary than university classes. Pick a game, any game, and it's going to be at least 70% one sex or the other.
Biology again. Women aren't as interested in shooting zombies as men. This isn't a problem at all. It's weird how you're a reactionary but you're making talking points Anita Sarkeesian would be at home with. We don't need to create gender neutral games that nobody likes, so it's really not a problem, since men and women are filtering towards the entertainment they do like.
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To the extent that women and men are coming apart it's to the extent that modernity and high tech puts a lever into all differences by allowing individuals to be sustained without reliance on social bonds or communities.
It means that people no longer have to make a trade-off between prospering and being around people they have nothing in common with.
So no, it's not decline or degeneracy, it's redundancy. We simply don't need each other anymore. We might want company and affection, but we can dispose of it freely like a commodity. This isn't a bad thing. It's only a bad thing for people who want to force every unique individual into redundant trade-offs to serve their own aesthetic tastes.
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No.10121
>>10120
Oh, and automation and the basic income will solve all of the economic downsides of this.
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No.10122
>In the 90s, young people went to mixed sex concerts and bars
Did men actually pick up in bars in the past with any kind of regularity? Or is this just a (((lie))) fed to us by movies and TV and popular culture in general?
I ask because I get way more results with online dating than by actually leaving the house. Granted, a lot of that is because I'm an autistic retard, but some amount of it is because bars don't work anymore. My question: did they work in the past?
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No.10123
>>10120
>10% of Europe
>minor crime and terrorism
Eurocountries with 5% Muslim populations have basically weekly terror attacks and you're implying 10% will somehow be okay.
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No.10124
>>10121
>basic income
You can redistribute wealth, but you can't redistribute dignity, and that's why UBI will never work.
THE BLACK PILL
THE BLACK PILL
THE BLACK PILL
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No.10125
>>10123
No, I'm not, because I didn't say it would be okay.
What it will be is survivable. France has the most and is already somewhere near 9% Muslims, and it creates problems, but they're not existential in of themselves. France, having the most Muslims in Western Europe, is sort of a look into the future for other places. I don't know how many Muslims France itself will have by 2050, because no one is providing that data - maybe it will be completely fucked - but as far as Europe as a whole goes the average will be as bad as France in 2050, and IIRC the UK will be right on that average, so as bad as France, sparing us limeys from destruction.
At least according to PewResearch up to 2015. There's some other sources about that make unsourced claims about the Muslim average birthrate being 8, but that's false. In Europe, the Muslim average birthrate has already dropped to 2.1 per woman. Modernity will sap them of their breedlust as it did us.
The only way they become an existential threat is if there's some far-right backlash and we get new Nazis who are actually capable of killing the host to cure the disease, so by proxy.
Muslims don't have the ability to destroy the Europe and won't have the ability until late into this Century, by which point the AI rapture will probably happen for better or worse. We only have to hold on so long you see. As long as we hold on long enough until we all become space faring computers everything will be fine, unless we are killed and replaced by the spacefaring computers, but honestly that's fine too (nothing wrong with being killed by your own superior children, it's being killed by inferior breeds that's embarassing).
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No.10126
>>10124
Nobody needs to redistribute dignity. Most Westerners have already been sapped of their dignity and pride and are nowhere near ready to vote. Europe is a secular materialistic populace by and large. They're only willing to get violent if you take away all their gibs.
UBI will work in that it will keep the masses alive and pacified, and frankly that's all we can expect, because with high automation, not only can you not redistribute dignity, there's none left to redistribute even if you could.
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No.10127
>>10126
>not only can you not redistribute dignity, there's none left to redistribute even if you could
Fuck and I thought I was blackpilled before.
brb eating a gun
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No.10128
>>10126
Oh, and if that fails there's always killbots. Revolt will be impossible once automated armies come on the scene and the last link of the military to societal sympathies and alternative loyalties is snipped.
People will behave or they will be sniped by perfectly accurate drones with millisecond reaction times.
Shut up and eat your soy, get lost in VR wonderlands, and be happy your programmer overlords have allowed you to live.
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No.10129
>>10127
Do you need to feel like you are socially contributing to feel life is worthwhile? Life is worthwhile as long as there are things to do. That should be sufficient. Maybe my perspective is warped as someone who has been a life long NEETbux collecter, but it's really not as bad as you wageslaves imagine. You have all the time in the world to cultivate a rich inner universe.
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No.10130
>>10126
>near ready to vote
Freudian slip. I meant "revolt".
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No.10131
>>10129
I blame Calvinism.
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No.10132
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No.10133
>>10131
The protestant work ethic was pretty useful. The problem with historical change isn't that we didn't need things, but we need to discard them when their time is done, which is difficult.
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No.10134
>>10110
*their mom
I wrote this in the middle of the night.
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No.10135
>>10120
>It's weird how you're a reactionary but you're making talking points Anita Sarkeesian would be at home with.
OP doesn't sound like a reactionary. He sounds like a Richard Dawkins progressive, perhaps worth point 4 excepted.
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No.10136
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No.10137
>>10132
I'm graduating from university soon. I'm familiar with the local dating scene. It's a secular waste land of uppidy cunts who think they are hot shit because of their non-STEM degree they got at community college. I would say around half of them put "doesn't want kids" or "unsure about having kids" on their profile. Race doesn't matter. If they're secular or Christian this is how they think.
(I'm in Pacific Canada if anyone cares.)
I am honestly open to Islam as a final solution to the feminist question, at least in Europe. I don't mean this in the usual LessWrong, dumb thought experiment way. I'm serious. I was recently shopping around for religious conservatism for reproductive reasons. (I'm a huge atheist.) I went to mass for the first time in more than a decade. It was the most diverse crowd of people I have been in a long time. Canadian Catholics actually have below average fertility (1.7c/w a few years ago) for Canadians. That's the kind of deracinated, cuckservative, chickenshit outfit Canadian Catholicism has become. Robin Hanson has apparently hung out with some transhumanist Mormons in the past, so it's not like they are a completely retarded group. Muslims have the highest birth rate in Canada, and I'm having trouble finding data on the American Muslim birthrate.
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No.10138
>>10135
>Richard Dawkins progressive
Yeah that's correct.
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No.10139
>>10135
Progressives don't usually complain about dating differentials that harm men.
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No.10140
>>10139
>being progressive means hating men
When did Democrats become so cancerous?
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No.10141
>>10137
>transhumanist Mormons
Joke: Getting your own planet after you die
Woke: Getting your own planet and never dying
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No.10142
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No.10143
>>10137
> I'm familiar with the local dating scene. It's a secular waste land of uppidy cunts who think they are hot shit because of their non-STEM degree they got at community college.
Maybe it's simpler than that - maybe they think they are hot because they *are* hot? Like I said, try lowering your standards. Only looking at slim chicks? Try fatties. Only looking at teenagers and 20 somethings? Try 30 somethings. Only looking at 7s to 10s? Try sixes. etc. Only looking at childless / unmarried? Try divorcees with children who are still in the reproductive age band - bonus - you have some evidence they are fertile!
> Race doesn't matter.
Not sure about that. What about first-generation immigrants from outside N America - they are more likely to be culturally different? Anyway pretty sure nationality matters. Try looking outside the Hajnal line and the descendants of people from NW Europe?
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No.10144
>>10143
itt Anon realizes he'd rather stay single than date fat 30y/o single mothers
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No.10145
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No.10146
>>10111
>Turn yourself into one of the 20% and stop whining.
What's the point? You'd just edge out some other guy from the top 20%. From a utillitarian perspective, nothing has changed at all!
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No.10147
>>10146
That would be true only if women graded men strictly on a curve and did it accurately. It is far more likely that women, being adaptation executers, merely detect clues of a man being alpha/beta. If so, then if all men learned how to signal alphaness a lot more than 20% of them would be as attractive as the top 20% today.
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No.10148
>>10147
That's great news!
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No.10149
>No one goes out anymore because everyone is broke and inner cities have crime, terrorism, or both. In the 90s, young people went to mixed sex concerts and bars
Nobody in the real world is actually near-mode concerned about a terrorist attack on them personally when going out for the weekend. Also, implying that crime was meaningfully lower in the early 90s, lol.
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No.10150
the actual reason why people don't go out is shitty urban design and increasing cultural reliance on cars
if you live in a suburb, you don't HAVE anywhere to GO
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No.10151
>>10149
Except the third of the populace that votes for the right wing party instead of the left wing one or is independent. That's a fairly large number of nobodies.
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No.10152
>1. Universities are now female spaces. Go to any university, and it's going to be like 70% women at least. What's even worse is that the classes are binary. They are either overwhelmingly male or overwhelmingly female. Second year physics? 90% men. Second year psychology? 90% women.
I was going to claim this is absolute bullshit, but apparently it's only a mild exaggeration!
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/may/12/university-gender-gap-scandal-thinktank-men
>In 2015, the gap between the sexes was a record 9.2 percentage points, meaning women are now 35% more likely to go to university than men
These numbers don't add up though. 9.2% of difference means 45.4% men and 55.6% women, and 55.6 is definitely not 1.35*44 .
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No.10221
>>10127
>brb eating a gun
good fucking riddance
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No.10258
>>10221
Anon, you're hurting my feelings and a little bit more.
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No.10396
>>10150
the actual reason people don't go outside is insufficient suppression of vibrants. suburbs exist because vibrants eat functioning cities and shit out detroits, and cars exist because suburbs. and because even being in physical proximity to vibrants is more unpleasant than paying for a car. you don't want to take a bus if the bus is full of loud fat women shouting in haitian and gangbangers playing their muh dik "music" as loud as they possibly can.
and even if you do move to a city and find things to do that aren't full of vibrants, they'll probably be full of shitlibs so what's the point
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No.10397
>>10396
I feel fortunate to live in Australia. Your vibrants are a grade or two below ours.
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No.10400
>>10396
>gangbangers playing their muh dik "music
Tupac and Biggie are gods you fucking pleb
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No.10401
>>10396
>>10397
It really does come down to the vibrants. Melbourne is a bastion of shitlibs but they can't do serious harm because there's nobody for them to enable.
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No.10402
>>10401
>mfw melbourne tries to have a BLM rally
Where are the actual blacks lol
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No.10403
>>10400
Get off my board vibrant.
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No.10404
>>10396
It's complicated. Even predominantly white middle class cities in the US have completely shit urban design. The later they were built, the worse it gets.
In the US you absolutely need to own a car. Because everyone has cars, businesses build far away because their customers can just drive an extra quarter mile. Laws require new construction to have 4 square feet of parking lot for ever square footage of building. Land is heavily zoned so you legally can't live near where you shop or work. Even if someone wanted to, you can't build buildings close together like they did a century ago. That might violate some obscure fire code or something. Make sure you have handicapped parking next to your building and a fire lane!
Pic related, it's a representative shot of my home "town". Tbf there is a downtown section with a more traditional style with everything close together. But that section is very old and everything new is built miles away in sprawl land. There are actually sidewalks there, I could count on my hand how many people I have seen use them. If you actually tried to cross the street through the speeding traffic, you would probably die (If there are crosswalks I've never noticed them.)
White flight is an issue but it's not the only cause. White flight wouldn't even be possible if there weren't suburbs to flee too and the city designs weren't so shit to make people want to flee.
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No.10406
>>10404
Wew that picture looks apocalyptic. What the fuck happened to your civilization?
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No.10407
>>10403
How about you get off my board, mister too-much-of-a-bitch-nigger-to-say-nigger
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No.10410
Maybe we should think along the lines of HBD.
I suspect that the problem in the white world is not identical to the one in Northeast Asia.
Is anyone here familiar with the idea of fschmidt, the founder of the Coalpha Brotherhood forum? He is basically an agnostic who advocates for some form of Jewish morality in the Torah including harsh punishment of adultery.
I personally believe that sexual promiscuity is inherently evolutionarily harmful. As a result all civilizations regulate heterosexuality. Civilizations regulate heterosexuality so that the brave, the intelligent, the diligent and the wealthy has some chance at reproduction regardless of how poor they are at seduction. Otherwise the world will be full of sexy and lazy idiots. Cold weather and dry climates promote civilizations while hot weather and wet climates promote raw sexual seduction.
The current problem with the West is that it allows sexual freedom in a people (mostly Northern whites) who are genetically more suited for arranged marriages with some courtship. Europeans and Ashkenazi Jews may still have some form of dating or courtship without evolutionary issues though unsexy but genetically valuable men should be given a chance to have sex and reproduce.
On the other hand the problem Northeast Asians has is that they need to return to full arranged marriages without courtship. Having any form of dating in Northeast Asia leads to genetic degeneration because they are a people evolutionarily not suited for raw sexual competition in men which is evolutionarily harmful anyway.
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No.10411
I'm the poster above.
Oh to clarify, "Northern whites" refer to whites whose origins aren't in Southern Europe. It has nothing to do with the Union/Confederacy in the US.
I believe that sexual freedom is only natural to many non-Muslim blacks, Filipinos and other groups from warm and wet regions without any overriding meme such as Islam or Hinduism. I further claim that this is one of the main reasons why these groups failed to increase their IQ to European levels.
We just need to look at single motherhood rates, how seductive people are and whether men or women do most of the work in a household to understand what's going on. A society with women earning most of the income and men going around having sex with numerous women is unlikely to be a prosperous one.
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No.10485
>>10410
lol, we see you, beta male. Can't get pussy so you want return to arranged marriages and marital rapes. (What's the gene for liking being raped by the husband your father forced you to marry?) Why don't you go join ISIS if you like patriarchy so much
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No.10486
PS equal marriage is a thing - what if your father decides to marry you off to a man? I mean consent doesn't matter right - otherwise it's a love marriage not an arranged marriage?
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No.10492
>>10485
>lol, we see you, beta male. Can't get pussy so you want return to arranged marriages and marital rapes. (What's the gene for liking being raped by the husband your father forced you to marry?) Why don't you go join ISIS if you like patriarchy so much
Degenerate, go to Sub-Saharan Africa or Latin America then. You don't belong to any civilization. You belong to irrational seducers.
Civilizations will defeat the rising tide of seductions or vice versa. If seduction wins human civilizations will be extinguished.
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No.10493
>>10492
Actually, rape is uncivilised, and persuading people to consent to sex with you is civilised.
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No.10494
>>10486
I believe in individual autonomy in all aspects except for reproduction. Reproduction affects a society evolutionarily hence it has to be controlled.
I'm actually against the patriarchy. Marriages if they should ever exist need to be arranged by the state or some AI, not parents.
Sexual freedom belongs to the African savanna. It does not belong to any civilization. When your ancestors left the African savanna and arrived in the north you are freed from such degenerate and obsolete things. Currently the welfare state has created an artificial savanna in the West and this needs to be rectified.
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No.10495
>>10493
I'm not into rape. Let's promote legal prostitution and sex bots instead.
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No.10496
>>10485
Do you know that sexual freedom is dysgenic? Be careful for what you wish for.
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No.10501
>>10495
I want a special kind of prostitute who will have exclusive sex with me for the rest of my life. I will pay all her expenses until/unless she quits. I will also never fire her. Is there a contract for this?
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No.10502
>>10501
>I will also never fire her
I don't think you can promise that in good faith. You could say "very likely never fire" though.
Being a sugar daddy is kind of like that.
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No.10503
>>10502
>Being a sugar daddy is kind of like that.
I also want this prostitute to make approximately 2.5 children, that's why the exclusivity clause is there, so I know they're my genes. I will support the children's expensives for a couple of decades.
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No.10505
>>10503
Just paying for her expenses means she's providing the service at cost. If you want to somehow make marriage an impersonal financial transaction where you can compete with your wallet, you need to pay enough for her to choose you over someone she actually likes which, if you want an attractive English-speaking high-IQ white woman, is a lot more money than you have.
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No.10507
>>10505
Who's talking about marriage? If I want sex or kids I don't need to get married, it's just extra risk.
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No.10509
>>10507
Marriage is the thing you're trying to replace here with a kind of prostitution/concubinage. And the point here is that you're probably undervaluing it and it'd be really expensive.
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No.10517
I want to have his children.
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No.10519
>>10485
>(What's the gene for liking being raped by the husband your father forced you to marry?)
Two X chromosomes.
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No.10521
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No.10522
>>10485
Well, "Free mate choice does not influence
reproductive success in humans" (https://sci-hub.cc/10.1038/s41598-017-10484-x). So I guess all women have the gene for liking being raped by the husband your father forced you to marry.
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No.10526
>>10522
Ah, yes, reproductive success proves they liked it, because as we all know, if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down.
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No.10530
>>10522
>Well, "Free mate choice does not influence reproductive success in humans"
Haven't read the link but does this repudiate Jim "Blog" Donald's notion of women subconsciously acting in ways that best see them auctioned off as sex slaves?
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No.10531
>>10530
I think the notion is repudiated enough by the fact that Jim is a fucking moron who mistakes hentai manga for documentaries.
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No.10532
>>10531
I wish Noise's doujins were a documentary of my life.
https://nhentai.net/artist/noise/
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No.10558
>>10411
>non-Muslim blacks, Filipinos
Do they have significantly lower IQs than their Muslim neighbors?
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No.10563
>>10558
I don't know. I don't like Islam but it is good for blacks. It can at least curb their worst sexual behaviors that haven't been removed by civilizations due to the absence of civilizations in most black cultures. It can also encourage them to at least read something (the Quran) which is better than not reading any books. Christianity, Communism or liberalism certainly failed in civilizing blacks and keeping them from being too far behind high-IQ people. Islam at least keeps HIV rates and adultery rates low.
Filipinos and Polynesians are indeed less culturally advanced than Muslim Malays.
Islam is one of the worst civilizations in the world but it is still less bad compared to not having a civilization.
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No.10564
>>10563
>Islam is one of the worst civilizations in the world but it is still less bad compared to not having a civilization.
But hasn't Islam been civilizing blacks and others into enemies of the West? If it has, wouldn't you, most likely a Westerner, prefer that your enemies not have a civilization because civilization is strength?
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No.10684
>>10564
Agreed. So we can invent something new to moderate the behavior of blacks both for our benefit and for their benefit.
Any ideas?
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No.10687
>>10564
I mean we are intelligent rationalists who can finish the job.
White Nationalists are never going to send blacks back to Africa just like WN in Australia aren't going to expel all Australian Aborigines. Hence almost everyone should agree that if there is a way to peacefully eradicate the criminal underclass and make inner cities livable for both blacks and whites we should support this approach.
An IQ of 85 is sufficient to build Tehran and Doha. Hence there is no reason why mere IQ is sufficient to cause the mess in Detroit. At the very minimum it should be possible to make black areas self-sufficient, clean, healthy and reasonably crime-free without lots of welfare from whites.
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No.10689
>>10687
We have to abandon equality and dignity first.
In perfect Earth there's a whole world of semi-sentient sophonts living under cities, eating our waste and shitting fuel, which they trade. Average IQ is 50 and they're happier than you'll ever be. The whole ecosystem is understood as the apex of automation; Adaptive, capabe of regeneration, completely autonomous.
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No.10690
>>10689
Without nootropics it is impossible to create racial equality because the IQ gap is still here. However through instilling some nice prosocial ideology we should be able to significantly mitigate most of the harm caused by black dysfunction. Black on white and black on black crime rate can be significantly reduced. Ghettos can be cleaned up and transformed into safe communities. Washington can be as safe as Singapore. Poverty can be naturally mitigated without welfare.
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No.10703
>>10689
>In perfect Earth there's a whole world of semi-sentient sophonts living under cities, eating our waste and shitting fuel, which they trade. Average IQ is 50 and they're happier than you'll ever be. The whole ecosystem is understood as the apex of automation; Adaptive, capabe of regeneration, completely autonomous.
What book is this from. I'd like to read it.
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No.10735
>>10687
If you're ruling stuff out just because it won't get done, I'd like to see what option to "peacefully eradicate the criminal underclass" passes that criterion better than ethnonationalism does.
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No.10736
>>10735
I'm not sure either.
The key reason why "send them back to Africa" doesn't work is that there is no state in Africa that is actually willing to absorb them. Liberia is no longer controlled by Amero-Liberians. Nobody wants a new tribe that competes with existing ones in Africa. Hence for that plan to work renewed colonialism has to be established first.
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No.10737
>>10736
I'm pretty sure a government that got into power with a "send them back to Africa" campaign would not have trouble selling renewed colonialism to its voters.
Alternately, if the holding camps into which we concentrate the population we're planning to deport just end up killing them with cramped, unsanitary conditions and the occasional food shortage while we continue to fail to find someone who'll accept them as refugees, that won't be received with outrage by the people who voted for "send them back to Africa" either.
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No.10738
>>10737
>that won't be received with outrage by the people who voted for "send them back to Africa" either.
Well, democracies aren't good at holding principled stands in general.
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No.10743
>>10737
Sure. If colonialism is going to be tolerated by other countries it will be logistically feasible to send them back to Africa.
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No.10768
>>10684
>>10690
>>10736
>>10735
>>10738
Free genehacking clinics everywhere. Are you all trying to be retardedly evil or what?
lrn2transhumanism ffs
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No.10771
>>10743
If the Fascist States of America want to knock over half the governments in West Africa to found Greater Liberia, who the fuck is going to stop them?
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No.10772
>>10771
Sure. I doubt Russia or China will do anything about it.
However if the plan is to start mass extermination and transform a part of Africa into a settler zone or robot zone are there people who will intervene?
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