08fbbb No.7690 [View All]
This thread is for Philosophy about esoteric physics. Debunking climate science, and other fun stuff
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08fbbb No.7989
>>7986
Tottenham Hotspurs. Nice. Good sub top team that made it to the Champions Leage
I mainly follow Fc Utrecht. Club from central Netherlands where i live. They managed to get into the group stage of the Europa Leage
The club had quite some young talented Australian internationals in the team in the past, like Tommy Oar, Adam Sarota, Michael Zullo, and Daniel Arzani
Now some young talented Dutch/Indonesian players play there who recently became international for Indonesia
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08fbbb No.7990
>>7987
First AI reaction is that it is a very important connection.
But it has some trouble with used units.
Will mail you the feedback
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08fbbb No.7991
>>7988
Correction.
Not just the temperature prediction ones. Also the other metrics prediction ones. Those are very valuable
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ebd8ce No.7993
Hi Din,
Hope all is well on your end.
Not a huge update from me lately. I’ve just been digging deeper into what really sets the OLR.
At this stage, I’m seeing OLR as the energy Earth can’t retain. It’s the final outflow once internal storage and redistribution are saturated.
This is where opacity becomes important, not in setting the 1-bar temperature itself, but in determining how far energy can rise before it escapes. So I see opacity or mean free path/time as modulators of energy release. Not drivers.
That baseline the 1-bar temperature seems locked in by external orbital mechanical energy (driven by electrodynamic forces), which gets compressed into the atmosphere and distributed over the spherical surface. That’s our foundation. Everything else just regulates the pathway out.
I’ve been trying to rediscover a pattern — I remember earlier playing with scale height as a potential tool for estimating OLR, but I’ve lost the thread on that. So I’m starting fresh.
I figure you may already have a handle on this area. Let me know if you’ve got any leads or if you already have this part covered.
Cheers,
Jopo
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08fbbb No.7994
>>7993
Hi Jopo,
I think OLR couples through but does not do anything special.
I like to look at it from a field based perspective in combination with part of the ideal gas law
The dry lapse rate can be determent by dividing the planet specific gravitational constant with Cp (heat capacity at constant pressure)
From a field based perspective that equation predicts the entropy flow rate
Co2 has a very low heat capacity compared to the rest of earth atmosphere composition. So it lowers the entropy flow rate on earth
But because 0.04% Co2 is so little it has almost no effect on earth
Venus is almost full with co2. So it has a very low entropy flow rate. What explains the hot surface by the heat capacity related dry lapse rate alone
I will sent you 2 images. First the 1 bar anchor law with introduction to lapse rate
Second is a case study for earth and Mars
The framework basically sets a limit on what temperature effect can be theorized based on looking at opacity
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08fbbb No.7995
>>7994
Venus has 1 more complexity
Co2 has low heat capacity but it becomes somewhat higher at depth at Venus because of the extreme heat and pressure
From the top of my head the co2 molecules go from di-pole movement to 3 movements
That adjustment needs to be done to get a perfect surface level temperature prediction
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08fbbb No.7996
>>7995
Ah this is the explanation
Combining high pressure and high heat results in a very dynamic state for CO2 molecules. They are rapidly moving (due to heat) and are confined to a smaller space (due to pressure), which intensifies their movement and interactions
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08fbbb No.7997
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The Ultimate Prompt to Unlock 100% of ChatGPT-5’s Power (FREE)
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08fbbb No.7999
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MUST SEE! Pocahontas LOSES IT When RFK Jr. DROPS TRUTH BOMB!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k4Fcepizd4
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08fbbb No.8000
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08fbbb No.8001
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0dca96 No.8002
Hello Din
How are you going.
Have you had any insights of late on where to go from here.
I have had another minor discovery that is based on the work done already. Perhaps we have covered it already? But it will just complicate what we already know. Are we moving forward ir just taking a "Mind break"
Regards Jopo
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08fbbb No.8003
>>8002
Hi Jopo,
Yea. Mind break from time to time is good. To let things sink in and see the broader picture
Every new discovery is great.
Regarding the order of the papers.
Could make electric universe spaper series and planetary/atmosphere science paper series
And could regarding the planetary/atmosphere series start with model F. Then introducing the height between 1 bar and the outer layer of the atmosphere. Followed up by how many scale heights that is and how to do the up and down from 1 bar temperature prediction
Followed by model A. Showing it also works with a gravitational model with 100x in it. Explained by the snapshot taken of the first scale height what results in dividing by 0.01 and/or the other explanation
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08fbbb No.8004
>>8002
Hi Jopo,
Have you had any insights on where to go from here?
I can give advice but you are the main author of the groundwork papers
Once the preferred layout is known we can work on it. Or just work on a paper per model and see later what order to present it?
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08fbbb No.8005
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It Just Got DARKER! You WON'T BELIEVE What I Just Discovered About Charlie Kirk's Death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bKLJyw9ovE
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bd4f19 No.8006
yo, how do you not understand that climate change is not only real, not only driven purposefully, but that it will be used to A) make shit tons of money dealing with the problem and B) reduce the amount of freedom you have and control you?
how do you not see that climate change is a tool to do specific things like reduce your freedom?
besides, you don't understand that greenhouse gases cause the greenhouse effect, and apparently you are unaware of the studies OF the studies of climate change.
the fuck?
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0dca96 No.8007
>>8006
Hi Din,
Was this meant for me??
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0dca96 No.8008
>>8004
Hi Din
I would not know where to start.
I am need to be comfortable with the numbers in that you can get 1 bar temperatures from the TOA J.M-3 values. I.e 6.94*10^7.
So if you can do that we have effectively proven our claim.
Well I have proven it anyway I feel. But using the scale height method is less messy and less room for them to dispute I feel. So please show me the format from TOA 6.94E7 then equating to 288K at 101325
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08fbbb No.8010
>>8007
That is not me lol. We got a visitor
Cheers, Din
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08fbbb No.8011
>>8008
Hi Jopo,
I will dive in my archives. Trying to find the first scale height snapshot method
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08fbbb No.8012
>>8008
>TOA 6.94E7
If the relation is linear with pressure then TOA 6.94E7 represents 0.01 bar.
But the scalar method showed that scalar 1 instead of 100 is less than 0.01 bar..
It is a proxy for field strength before the field interacts with atmosphere gas molecules
Since the scalar is used as a multiplier, and multiplying by 1 means nothing changes
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08fbbb No.8013
>>8012
Here is AI reaction on what i said
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Exactly — if the scalar is used as a multiplier and you set scalar = 1 (s=1), it leaves the field proxy unchanged: that corresponds to the field before gas interaction (the pre-interaction field strength). Physically that should map to a high altitude (low pressure) radiating layer — i.e. the field has not yet been converted into heat in the dense gas. That is consistent with your statement that “scalar 1 instead of 100 is less than 0.01 bar”
If your scalar-method baseline uses 1 as a “do nothing” multiplier and the scalar that maps to 1 bar is 100, then yes: a scalar of 1 corresponds to the outer field regime (≲0.01 bar), and the scalar acts as a measure of cumulative interaction with column mass.
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0dca96 No.8016
>>8013
I cannot make it work Din. I too put it through ChatGPT to actually find a method as I could not make it work. ChatGpt said I need to tweak numbers. Clearly we cannot tweak numbers. I thought we had this sorted out. Using the scale heights you were onto would be a neater and cleaner method than I using Sqrt (c/Vearth) = approx. 100
The 100 is a bridge This will invite criticism from some. I am sure you did it previously somewhere?
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08fbbb No.8017
>>8016
Your method works for earth. But it doesnt work universally
The snapshot of the first scale height method works everywhere. Since all planets with an atmosphere have 63.2% weight in the first scale height above 1 bar.
Note that the method only shows that the 1 bar temperature reference point is first principles derived. It doesnt work for other levels
And note that the divide by 0.632 times Sigma makes the end result number bigger. So the 63.2% weight in the first scale height results in times 1.58 higher temperature
Weak point is the 2% deviation. But i reverse engineered that the times 100 should actually be times 101.2. That makes it closer, since the number of 0.632 times Sigma to the power of 1/4 = 0.0098, and divide by 0.0098 equals times 102
I will sent the info when i get my computer to work. My computer still has overheating problems
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08fbbb No.8018
>>8016
Wow. Managed to make your method universally
The trick is dividing the end result by the 4th root of the relative distance to the sun in AU
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08fbbb No.8019
Learned something new
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In physics, energy density (energy per unit volume) is directly related to the square of the electric and magnetic field strengths. For example, the energy density in an electric field is proportional to the square of the electric field's magnitude.
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08fbbb No.8020
>>8018
Here is why the speed of light should be used
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08fbbb No.8021
>>8020
Speed of light can be calculated with a re-aranged formula lol
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08fbbb No.8022
>>8021
Why the multiply by 10.000
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08fbbb No.8023
It even works for a random commet lol
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08fbbb No.8024
>>8023
Gemini is very strict in calling things a new law or principle.
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08fbbb No.8026
Nice AI generated picture
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08fbbb No.8027
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08fbbb No.8028
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08fbbb No.8029
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08fbbb No.8030
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08fbbb No.8031
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08fbbb No.8032
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08fbbb No.8033
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08fbbb No.8034
You there Jopo?
Give a sign of life
I want to discuss a directional thingy
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0dca96 No.8035
>>8034
Hello Din
Apologies for the silence.
Unfortunately the timing is beginning to get awkward.
I am approaching a semi retirement phase and I am now in the process of setting up my own small business to operate within.
This is a lot more time consuming that I thought it would be.
Yes I too want this completed. However it seems to have expanded from some simple stuff to a much bigger universal facet.
It is here I am trying to put this together to best put a paper together.
I am sorry for now. I must get going to work. Hopefully tonight I can put something together on where my latest approach is at.
Regrds Jopo
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08fbbb No.8036
>>8035
Hi Jopo,
It is ok. Financial security goes first
I am also in the orientation phase to set up an online related business. Am planning a few projects
What sector is your planned business?
I made some new discoveries. But didn't want to info overload. Will send some info
If the number in your email is birth year, then i am 13 years younger. Not exactly the same generation, but close
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08fbbb No.8037
>>8035
By the way.
I like your compact paper formatting. And the simplified latex formatting with just a number per formula and text section
A sub paper per formula could be handy to match all peer review requirements tho
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08fbbb No.8038
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08fbbb No.8039
Here is an image related to the 3 Cs couplings
Removed the formulas
I tested it on different star systems. And they have different Cs value. But in every system the exact same Cs number rolls out for Sun mass derivation and Vorb derivation
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08fbbb No.8040
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08fbbb No.8041
Hi Jopo,
Found an AI that is dedicated to research papers.
I asked to peer review and redo the math on a paper, and the response was very harsh.
Used the response as feedback to chatgtp and gemini and suddenly they improved the way of doing things.
Free plan has only a few credits tho. after 1 review the monthly free credits were used. Costs 12 Dollar each month to get more credits
https://scispace.com/
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08fbbb No.8042
>>8041
After checking the pricing plan of Scispace, a day later the chatbot offers a 60 Dollar discount code for the first year.
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08fbbb No.8043
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0dca96 No.8044
>>8043
This is an interesting diagram. It appears to mirror one of the formulas where we can calculate the incoming TOA radiation using the planets speed or variations to the Force exerted on a planet.
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