cc0c8e No.478
What is love? What does it mean to trully be in love? I know now after looking up some Carl Jung that what I thought love was is only just my anima projection. I guess Iv never felt it before. How does it feel, how does one fall in love? How do you know if someone is the right person? Im just curious iv never really loved and I dont know now if its a thing that even exists.
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cc0c8e No.481
Okay, you've referenced Carl Jung in your post, who was a psychologist, firstly. That in itself should be enough of an indication for you that this belongs on some sort of board having to do with psychology.
Secondly, I don't think you have any idea what philosophy is. If you're looking for a single "answer" to what love is, look elsewhere, because for everything that is said in philosophy, there is always room for a counterargument.
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cc0c8e No.482
>>481I was looking for Interpretations actually, not a single answer, I also do know that Carl Jung is psycology, but Iv seen many places where philosophy and psychology are being bought up together on other sites so I thought this could also turn into a philosophical debate.
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cc0c8e No.483
>>482Psychology is a pseudoscience, but anyhow:
"Love" is real by virtue of its existence as a phenomenon; the question of whether or not it exists originates in the simple minds of people who believe their concept of "love" is love itself. The shallow, unrealistic concept "love" that you and probably most people have of it who have raised this question is structured into you by your culture. It is nothing more than the re-casting of a generic naturalism that Capitalism essentially is, in which survival is converted to a calculable attainment of wealth and reproduction (thus fulfillment of one's life in this naturalist framework) is converted to the attainment of an ideal of "love" that is supposed to make on a complete human being. Of course, this is a harmful way of thinking and the reason why many people, on 'chans in particular it seems, are so miserable to be alone; they have the inauthentic belief that happiness consists in the attainment of this ideal.
This is already kind of far from being a serious philosophical discussion of the concept "love" though. What I just gave was a generic Continental discussion of it. I don't really know what Analytics have to say about it, and most philosophers prior to contemporary philosophy don't seem to take love very seriously.
But, we have at least shown that the question of whether or not "love" is real or not is a misguided question. If you're interested in examining further into what the phenomenon "love" is, you should look into Phenomenology. Phenomenology was a movement in philosophy interested in understanding what human experience consists of, which would then of course include the experience of love under that.
Unfortunately, I can't remember exactly what they're interpretations of it are, but Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir both have good things to say about love - Sartre in
Being and Nothingness beginning on p. 474, de Beauvoir in
The Second Sex in the chapter, "The Woman in Love".
I don't recall reading anything by Maurice Merleau-Ponty on love, but if he has anything to say about it (which I'm sure he does), it'd also be worth reading.
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cc0c8e No.488
>>483Thank you so much for this interesting answer. Iv read just now what an analyst has to say about love from Sartre and it seems its very similar to what Jungs Anima Projection is. It was interesting I guess. But I think you insulting me in the first paragraph is abit wrong. I dont think love is some excuse for just reproducing. All I wanted to know is that if that feeling we feel when we are in love is just an anima projection (Jungian Psychology here) What would true love be, or is it all just a projection. Anyways iv never heard of phenomenology before beyond its name, but I will look into it.
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cc0c8e No.490
>>488You should re-read the first paragraph, then, because you misunderstood it. It wasn't directed at you specifically, but rather at the conditions that make the concept of "love" from which people derive the judgment, "love doesn't exist" possible.
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cc0c8e No.491
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cc0c8e No.492
If you asked the common person their first answer would be some deep sounding quote about ideal love they heard from somewhere, such as the bible. But if you were to get an honest answer they'd likely speak of love in two senses: the falling in love type of love, which is an irrational flood of massively powerful emotional desire and adoration of the beloved. Second would be the more idealized aspect of love as a rational choice and commitment to the beloved, come what may.
Philosophical discussions of love, as far as I have ever gleamed in classical philosophy, are so idealized and unreal that they're a joke. Regardless of that, however, I also personally think that philosophizing about love is one of the bigger wastes of time humans can indulge in. To those who have not experienced natural love, that uncontrollable tsunami of emotions, love is an enigma that just plain makes no sense. I had a very rational and idealized concept of love up until last year when i finally fell in love for the first time. Pretty much everything i believed on the topic has gone out the window since it wasn't even in the same dimension of reality as actual love.
People who talk of "true" love believe in a ridiculous contradiction since they believe that an ideal concept of love is true, whereas the actual reality of love is somehow false or incomplete. What's real is what is true. As someone else said, this belief in "true" love as a goal in life and things like absolute monogamy and emotional slavishness to the beloved as its symbol has done harm to individuals.
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cc0c8e No.493
>>492This was a brilliant answer. I have fallin in "love" the second time now. Its as you described it, an extremely irrational powerful emotional desire. But unfortunately the first girl didnt like me, and I dont know if this one does either (havent even talked to her yet). But I realized after reading some Carl Jung that the powerful emotion of wave we have had just might be nothing more than us projecting our anima on to another person. After I realized this I noticed that my emotions just died out. I still want to talk to the person and if she is interested maybe id like to date her (lol who would date me?) But after falling heavily in love and then realizing that its an anima projection, I have no idea then what true love even could be. If love isnt just finding a mating partner, and its not that extreme feel of overwhelming emotion, what is it?
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cc0c8e No.494
>>492One more thing, by true I dont mean right or rational, but I mean pure and real, without illusions cast by the mind
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cc0c8e No.497
>>494I don't know any Jungian terminology, but as far as projection in a sense goes, yes, romantic love is caused by projecting that which we believe will "complete" us in the other, hence the common use of phrases like soul mate, other half, etc. I would not say it IS the projection, but rather a natural mechanism that follows it to ensure that psycho-biological bonding happens in the strongest way possible.
I think you make the mistake of idealizing what is really a material phenomenon. Romantic love, that tsunami of desire, is a gateway to long term attachment through a very real and physical psycho-biological bonding, a bonding that makes it all the easier for one to take the step to make that rational choice to commit to the beloved no matter what.
One could say that love as a concept has to be multifaceted. Romantic love, family love, friendly love, love of activities, love of experiences. Romantic love is the one that philosophers I have read had the most stupid ideas about. Familial and friend love are very close and depending on personal closeness the same. Loving something you do, or something you experience may likely fall more into the aesthetic side of things.
As far as I think of it, love is real and ineffable, something that isn't really contained in any theory.
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cc0c8e No.499
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cc0c8e No.500
>>497That was a great read. I still dont understand it at all and probably never will. I think your last sentence really hit the nail on the subject.
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cc0c8e No.501
>>497Oh and I forgot to mention, the reason why im asking this question is what you said in the 2nd paragraph, "Romantic love, that tsunami of desire, is a gateway to a long term attachment." Well according to Jung that entire emotion in itself is a projection and just an illusion, I wanted to know then what is love, but like I said in my last post, Ill just give up on trying to figure it out. Its as you said, "Love is real and ineffable, something that isnt really contained in any theory."
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cc0c8e No.502
You're formulating your question in an essentialist manner: "what is x truly? What is the essence of x?".
Trying to answer such a question will always reduce to a version of the no true scotsman: "true x is about this!" "Nay, true x is about that".
A better question is: "what should we call this strong emotional bond, which occationally forms between humans?" An answer might be "love".
In this sense, there is no such thing as "true" love. There are however, a wide rainbow of nuances: romantic, brotherly, forbidden etc. Recognizing this allows you to evaluate your feelings more accurately than by playing the definition-game ad absurdium.
Interesting question btw.
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cc0c8e No.503
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cc0c8e No.534
>>483Do you sincerely believe that the need for the concept "love" everybody on chan and many others yearn, is just from some Capitalist-driven cultural hypnosis to fulfill its "need" to keep the system going? We are biologically driven to find a mate and reproduce, for the non-majority (i.e. homosexuals, etc.) they are just wired differently. We had the yearning for love, for companionship, before Capitalism, before social constructs. We are only here because of that primal-driven motive to reproduce. Don't diminish it to some conspiracy of a Capitalist agenda.
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cc0c8e No.536
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cc0c8e No.552
>>534what this guy said>>536
My point is that the idealized, unrealistic and vague concept of "love" pushed on us in our culture is an inauthentic and damaging one. The actual phenomenon of love has existed well before Capitalism.
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cc0c8e No.2847
Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me
No more
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cc0c8e No.2848
Someone should start a thread questioning the merits of the emotional bonds formed in polygamy...
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cc0c8e No.2871
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cc0c8e No.4226
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cc0c8e No.4237
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db6038 No.5373
Love is when your Darwinian fitness evaluation changes from supporting your own health and survival to supporting someone else's. It's normally associated with strong and qualitatively distinctive sensations of affection.
Women can't actually love men. Having a woman sacrifice her fitness for her man is maladaptive. They love children instead.
Whether that happens when you project your anima or whatever is sort of beside the point. More relevant is that since tab A goes in slot B and makes babies in almost all cases, most men are compatible with most women. The relationship feels special because your genes really really really like being passed on, that's all.
They do need to have broadly similar IQs, as otherwise real communication is impossible. Presumably there are a few other minor restrictions, but the broad middle can more or less work it out regardless of whatever other broad middle member they get with.
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7723b5 No.6149
Love can't be explained. I think you just feel it and that's it.
t. someone who has never loved yet
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3de921 No.6157
a chemical reaction that compells animals to breed
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fbae5c No.6161
Holy shit this thread is like the Phoenix, it has died and came back so many times.
In any case, from psychology we know love is a projection of our own narcissism towards an outside object, this object can be an anaclitic object or a narcissistic object.
Persons engaging in anaclitic object choices tend to pursue mother- or father-figures as their partners in the hope these parent-substitutes will fulfill the needs of their ego-libido, people governed by the narcissistic object choice invest their libidinal energy in aspects of themselves.
Now those who are in love might be aware of the psychology behind it, and still disregard it and pursue their object of affection idealistically, this is what makes the question of love still be deeply philosophical rather than purely psychological, now we're getting into all sorts of existential and metaphysical complications aren't we? We might do our best to disenchant the question of love and explain it rationally, those under the spell of it can disregard it all and go with their emotions, and for those subjects the experience is still "magical" even though they know very well...
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4375a5 No.6175
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4375a5 No.6176
>>6157
rick and morty is the smartest show on television
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4375a5 No.6177
>>6161
Nice projections. Love is simply an enxtension of identity and ego doesnt mean narcissism. Baka.
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4d52ea No.6213
>>6157
That's lust, not love, Dr. Brown
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54ca0d No.6262
The old bestseller "the road less travelled" had a good take on it IMO, something like love is that which leads to selfless service to another, which nicely bypasses the whole warped idea of abusive yet "loving" relationships.
Physical/hormonal effects tend to fade, calling such things "love" is a misnomer IMO.
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de9e2b No.6277
Well, I don't really know if this is going to contribute to the conversation in anyway but, I recently watched the movie "Good will hunting" and got to the scene where Will and Sean sit on a parkbench and discuss love and what they said pissed me off to no end.
Not because I didn't understand but because the argument "you can only understand love when you find someone to love more than yourself" is utter horseshit.
You can't possibly love someone "more than yourself", if that's the case you're simply substituting the love you should have for yourself with the love of others.
We each have a responsibility for our own well-being and if you can't find it in yourself you're not gonna find it in others, I would go even further by arguing that it's practically immoral to expect others to play the role of substitutes for the love you were never able to find in yourself.
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ea9ca1 No.6352
>>478
Carl Jung makes people turn into kooky retards like JB Peterson, psychologists should dump him like they tried to dump Freud. Behold, China knew about DNA and there were ancient aliens.
https://twitter.com/zei_nabq/status/997575537089564672/video/1
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ea9ca1 No.6353
>>6277
That movie is for Jesus cucks and yanderes. First commandment should be to love thyself, because if you can't love yourself you will be insecure and can't adequately love anyone, at least not responsibly.
>>6262
>Physical/hormonal effects tend to fade, calling such things "love" is a misnomer IMO.
This is true so don't discount intelligence. Enjoy roses while they last, and then when the skin falls off their face and you cant get young ass anymore its time to turn gay MGTOW and roommate with enlightened fedoras until you die. Women are unfunny and boring to talk to when they lose their sex value, because they don't like to talk about divisive ideas.
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