No.3411
Could shitty beard and delayed puberty be related to fapping?
I'm 23 and can't grow a beard for shit. It grows good but only on my neck, so if I let it grow I look disgusting. It's not genetic, I have photos of my dad at 19 with full moustache and my grandpa had 5 o'clock shade at 2 o'clock.
Ejaculation lowers your testosterone, studies say it goes back to normal after a week but who the fuck went a week without fapping in our primes? I've been fapping since I was 14, realised that it was a problem at 21 and only now at 23 I fap maybe once a week and only recently I managed a 2 month streak. That's 7 years of fapping at least once a day. Seven years add up to over 2500 ejaculations.
Testosterone is what causes development of secondary sex characteristics so it seems normal that when it's lacking, they won't develop properly. The best example for this are eunuchs - men who have been castrated. Historically it was done so they would retain their boyish vocal range and worked as singers:
>As the castrato's body grew, his lack of testosterone meant that his epiphyses (bone-joints) did not harden in the normal manner. Thus the limbs of the castrati often grew unusually long, as did the bones of their ribs. This, combined with intensive training, gave them unrivalled lung-power and breath capacity.[1] Operating through small, child-sized vocal cords, their voices were also extraordinarily flexible, and quite different from the equivalent adult female voice. Their vocal range was higher than that of the uncastrated adult male. Listening to the only surviving recordings of a castrato (see below), one can hear that the lower part of the voice sounds like a "super-high" tenor, with a more falsetto-like upper register above that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrato
That's why I like to call fapping "self castration". Thoughts on this?
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No.3422
It's people like you that give the nofap idea or movement or w/e you call it a bad name as "broscience" and "pseudo-science".
Beard growth has to do with biology. I'm not a biologist so I don't know every single one but luckily for you there is startpage or google and an internet with 5 terrabites of information to pick from.
Testosterone has to do with many, many factors, of which fapping is a very minor (or maybe irrelevant) one.
Fapping has to do with brain dopamine spikes - as do porn, cocaine, sugars, carbohydrate-rich foods etc.
If beard has to do with testosterone* then you should fix testosterone if you want beard.
Testosterone can be increased by:
>TRT
>physical exercise
>healthy foods
>foods high in mono unsaturated fats
>other activities that increase testosterone (cold showers etc.)
*let's assume all the other factors are irrelevant for the sake of this argument
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No.3426
>>3422
it's cucks like you that try to keep everyone stuck on your level of degeneracy
>>3411
seems likely that you're onto something. i have the same beard problem. there's probably a link between how having a neckbeard is usually attributed to lazy degenerates
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No.3433
Yes it will help I read the testosterone increase after a week of not fapping is huge, like over 100%. I can't see why you would want a beard though
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No.3434
>>3426
t. nigger who failed high school biology
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No.3438
>>3434
Son, there's nothing healthy about masturbation, and it's a proven fact that not masturbating increases testosterone hugely. Even the mainstream media admits it.
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No.3466
>>3434
the same commie shit that teaches that there's more than 2 genders. go back to whatever leftist board you came from faggot
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No.3471
>>3466
>>3422 is that Dusk37 namefag
that was here way before the /leftypol/ and /b/ raid. He was the one that whined about how we're "demonizing" fapping.
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No.3474
>>3471
oh yep nicely spotted. why come here and pathetically try to mislead people with cuck opinions? its too late, they already made it here. also it seems like we've made it onto the board list up top again
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No.3664
>>3474
>>3471
>muh boogeyman
How do you know I'm not /intl/?
>>3613
this
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No.3665
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>>3438
>it's a proven fact that not masturbating increases testosterone hugely
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No.3813
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No.3866
I can't tell if this is an anon who is genuinely this retarded; or if nofap attracts redditors with 1st grader reading comprehension; or if you're a jewish shill who is infiltrating and discrediting nofap.
>>3813
No regular fluctuation was observed following continuous abstinence after the peak. Ejaculation is the precondition and beginning of the special periodic serum testosterone level variations, which would not occur without ejaculation.
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No.3867
>>3813
>>3866
Remember that those are serum levels. There was that screencap of a Finnish student talking about the production of androgen receptors immediately post 7 day peak.
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No.3868
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>>3867
>shifting the goalposts this hard
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No.3869
>>3868
I wish this board had IDs. I wasn't the other anon insisting upon an increase in testosterone. Unbound/ free levels in the blood also need to be weighed against receptors with regard to dopamine, glutamate and I would imagine testosterone too.
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No.3870
>>3869
>I would imagine
Not exactly a strong argument, and anyway completely unrelated to the other anon's.
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No.3899
>>3411
Being fat increases your estrogen levels.
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No.3900
>>3899
It's OK for you to have contrary nofap views but don't act like you're intellectually superior because you jerk off or try to force your beliefs onto everyone (you're still not going to change anyone's mind). This is not denying you of your free speech, it's just asking you to be decent.
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No.3901
>>3900
I don't have a contrary view. I also made no attempt to force any beliefs onto anybody. I have also not said anything indecent. More body fat leads to higher levels of estrogen. That's all. Get a grip, dude.
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No.3903
>>3901
I'm talking about the passive-aggressive pro-masturbation agenda you've been pushing in various threads.
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No.3908
>>3903
I've never posted on 8ch before this thread.
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No.3949
I don't know. I am not doing the no fap thing, but I can tell you that fapping has not caused any problems with growing facial hair. I have to shave every day and it sucks. I wish fapping led to less facial hair…
OP and others might have low T levels.
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No.4173
>fapping leads to less facial hair
Then I should have wound up with a babby smooth face that never needs to be shaved.
I've had thick facial hair since I was a teenager, and I used to fap two or three times a day all the way up until I graduated high school.
It doesn't get worse when I do nofap either.
This sounds like complete bro-science shit you'd see on /fit/.
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No.10471
I really don't feel no fap makes a difference in this regard. I've been fapping regularly since I was about 12, yet I could grow facial hair years before everyone else. However, I have shitty beard growth too. Stubble looks kind of cool but once I grow it out it becomes very scraggly and almost pubic in the quality of hair.
Its mostly genetics, just because your dad can grow a beard does not mean you can. There are all kinds of traits that are passed down, skip generations, reactivate, conflict with others. Genetics mostly, then perhaps diet/intake, because don't forget about all the crap that is in our food, water and even storage for said food and water. We're ingesting chemicals which are almost certainly used to inhibit hormones. Then finally we reach lifestyle, such as amount of exercise, masturbation, social life, hobbies.
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No.10806
>0 facial hair at the age of 21
>feminine face
>170 kg bench
T-thanks, mom and dad.
Anyway, you might be onto something, OP. Testosterone levels play a very important role during puberty (more so than they do in adulthood).
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No.10809
>>10806
Start eating healthy, change your sleep habits (sleep more), do some sports.
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No.10819
>>10809
>170 kg bench
>do more sports
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No.11159
>>3422
gonna pretend it do, so my fear drives me to stop fapping
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No.11249
>>3411
Very good insight.
Also I would recommend you to try and become a consious consumer and check ingredients of foods, cleaning substances and parfume. Stay the f away from soy. It acts as estrogen, gives you mantits and fucks your brain and body development big time. Try surrounding yourself with less plastic. Its full of toxins that can hurt your hormone balance. Try detoxifying yourself with a some parasite killer or some silicate that removes heavy metals from your body. Parasites can alter your mind and hormone balance. Heavy metals fuck with your brain and in later stage cause Alzheimer's and twitching. Theres nothing to be ashamed of if you use it twice a year. After the exodus of your inner kikes you will feel weird because your brain is resetting your needs for certain foods.
So avoid foods that give you estrogen or lower testosterone. You need to research these yourself and decide what can you do. Do not go for testosterone medicine and injections. That is the lazy and more dangerious way. Its a last resort.
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No.11270
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No.11280
Is there even any purpose to this shit or am I too far gone. I'm 30 years old and I've been jerking off multiple times a day since I was in first grade I shit you not. I know the brain can "repair" but what if it never even developed in the first place. The constant fapping combined with whatever strange drug cocktail they had me on any given weak to correct my (((ADHD))) I mean (((Tourettes))) I mean (((Schizophrenia))) I mean (((kike shit here))) can't have been good. You know these hook nosed fucks are lying because they have been preaching this masturbation is good stuff for decades who knows what else they are lying about.
I decided to give this a go and I'm 1 day in but I'm fucking scared because this is all I know how to do what the fuck do I do when I'm not touching my dick I'm fucking sweating here I need to get off this computer for now before I fuck it all up but please how can I stop being this way.
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No.11288
>>11280
No more defeatism lad. Spite the kike. It's completely possible to recover. I went from fapping 40 times a month in January, to only 14 so far this month. I'm on day 7 right now, and all year i was struggling to get past day 1. They want you to think you can't throw the shackles off
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No.11498
>>3434
>Resorts to name-calling
Very nice.
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No.11921
>>3422
All science is broscience until a couple of bros get together and review that broscience confirming it to be science or not science bro. Broscience plays an important role in promoting science bro.
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No.11977
>>11270
>beer
I disagree, without my daily lager I wouldnt be capable of doing this 50+ streak…or any streak at all.
Beer helps me sleep as a bad sleeper and helps me with digestion as a bad stomach guy. Overall it gives me more energy and helps after workouts.
I never get drunk btw.
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No.12010
I jerked off for the entirety of puberty and my beard grew like a motherfucker once it started.
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No.12037
>>12010
>My anecdotal evidence is the ultimate proof.
Sage isn't a down vote faggot.
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No.12045
>>11977
Anon I think you might just be an alcoholic. You shouldn't have to depend on an addictive substance just to get to sleep. Consider trying a week of nobeer, just to see what happens.
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No.12124
>>3438
>Son, there's nothing healthy about masturbation, and it's a proven fact that not masturbating increases testosterone hugely.
What about fucking your wife every day
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No.12160
>>12045
>Consider trying a week of nobeer, just to see what happens.
I did, just loose a few pounds and feel more tired, but nothing special. Im not even prone to drinking or smth, but beer refreshes me, it might be due to Mg and other minerals in it (depends on the quality) and I drink light lagers exclusivly, higher alcholol % beer dont suit my stomach.
Idk why, but it helped me regain my health.
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No.12182
>>12124
Something something, the physical activity produces more testosterone at the same time you're losing it via ejaculation? Just a guess.
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No.12189
>>3868
>trance
>is clearly d&b
>>12037
>downboat newfag meme
Maybe he didn't want to bump the thread? Polite sage for off topic.
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No.12284
Haven’t jerked it for 19 days. Massive (neck) beard now. Could barely grow face pubes before. Cheers
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No.12299
>>3411
>Ejaculation lowers your testosterone
Just eat your sperm.
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No.12338
I always notice more hair growth on the underside of my forearms.
You know how they say that winning or being dominant can boost your testosterone? I think NoFap is a positive feedback loop. You feel more energetic because you're not in that post-fap haze, you know you need to get away from the computer so you go out and do things. This boosts test, not only from having social interactions but also from just feeling good about getting out of the house. When you boost test, you feel more confident and outgoing, you start doing other things, maybe even taking up new hobbies. This feeds back into test release again. On top of this, there is the effect of vitamin D from being outside which has a positive effect on test as well.
While it doesn't seem like much, I think NoFap is one of those butterfly effect things that has a really great effect on men even though it doesn't seem like you're doing that much.
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No.12339
nofap actually made my facial hair grow slower, or at least it seemed so
make of that what you will
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No.12345
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No.12377
>>3422
This isn't "broscience" or a "very minor or irrelevant factor" though. Do the research and you'll see that men have a 145.7% increase in testosterone after 7 days of abstaining from masturbation. You look utterly retarded when you're speaking as an expert in a subject you don't know jack shit about and haven't studied.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241?dopt=Abstract
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