No.3116
The secret to NoFap is not avoidance but exposure. Exposure to the point of invulnerability and indifference. That is self-mastery.
Exposure is simply seeing the form for what it is without reacting to it [unless you want to].
Spend time seeing the female subject for what it is, and become aware of your body's responses without engaging them.
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No.3117
Fuck off. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Looking at pictures without fapping is what caused 100% of my relapses. Admin, delete this picture plz
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No.3119
>>3117
holy shit this. once the "exposure" sinks down deep enough you get an instinctual response a couple days later. fuck that shit.
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No.3120
>>3119
how come I can look at pictures without fapping and you can't?
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No.3121
>>3120
>looking at pictures of naked women without a sexual response
you're a degenerate faggot and if anyone knew what you were doing they'd wonder why your brain is fucked up. at best you're rationalizing an addiction to porn by NOT touching your dick, justifying your habit, at worst, you're using this "avoidance not exposure" nonsense to make yourself feel superior to other people.
either reality makes you a huge faggot and you should honestly fucking kill yourself before making another thread like this
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No.3123
>>3121
The 'lust' response still arises its just temporary and passes away. Its our imagination that makes a big deal out of these pics. Stare at OPs pic for 5-10mins without touching yourself, and observe your bodys reactions, you'll get bored of it and the sensation will pass. The more you do this the more you destroy porn's "magic spell" over you.
Not sure why you're so aggressive and confrontational…
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No.3126
>>3116
No.
Watching porn will release dopamine, even before you touch your dick. It is that dopamine release that we try to halt here. Watching porn and edging without orgasming is worse than just rubbing one out.
To make the analogy to Pavlovs dog, where a bell would sound and the dog would get food, leading to a situation where the sound of a bell was enough to jumpstart saliva production.
Porn is the bell here, the dopamine rush is the saliva, and the food is masturbation.
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No.3127
>>3116
>The secret to NoFap is not avoidance but exposure.
This is an absolutely horrible idea.
Once you've developed self-control, have fully reset your brain and have been on no-fap for 6 months or more then maybe. Then you could rewire your brain to associate something traditionally arousing with neutrality or disinterest. Until you've reached that point, any "exposure" will do nothing other than re-trigger and reinforce the pleasure circuit you've built up.
I kind of get where you're coming from. There are buddhist monks who have tamed their minds and can control their lust so well that they can merely look at a beautiful woman, admire her beauty, but feel no desire for her. Somebody in the midst of a porn addiction, by definition, cannot achieve that yet. You're still hard-wired to associate see attractive woman = got to jack it. That is not going to change overnight by any sort of philosophy or reasoning or abstract thinking. That's not how addiction works.
If you want to stop an addiction, the only way is to stop engaging in the behaviors associated with the addiction.
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No.3137
>>3123
>i'm staring at porn for 5-10 minutes and not doing anything
????????????????????????????
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No.3138
>>3137
yes, what are you wondering about?
I can stare at a cake without eating it, fat people can't I guess, but they would benefit from learning how.
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No.3140
Where you want to get to is where you have enough self-control that stumbling on a risque image won't set you off but you don't go looking for such trouble either.
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No.3143
>>3116
>Hey guys, the secret to mastering alcohol is to expose yourself to it!
>So just do something like DUI until you finally learn to master your own mental faculties!!
Nah, fuck off.
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No.3144
>>3143
>visual stimulation is the same as imbibing chemicals
false analogy
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No.3150
>>3143
I think OP is still in the denial phase. He doesn't think he really has a problem and believes he has a "quick EZ fix" that sets him apart from others.
You see this a lot in substance abuse forums. An alcoholic says he will just drink vodka insted of whiskey, since he dislikes vodka so that will somehow help him stop drinking altogether. A heroin addict will vow that he will only use anal suppositories instead of needles while listening to the Trainspotting soundtrack and reflecting on his life with meaning and he will one day get the inspiration to stop. Their general attitude is "I'm not like those other junkies! I'm in control! Really!".
And here we have OP saying that he's going to stop looking at porn by staring at porn. Getting mad when everybody tells him it doesn't work like that.
>>3144
Addiction is addiction buddy. Your mind and your powers of rationalization are the enemy here, those are the things that got you into this mess. You are trying to convince yourself that you are some kind of Jedi master when you are just making excuses to continue your habit.
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No.3151
>>3138
>fat people can't I guess
but what if there were fat people who can? It's pretty transparent that you're using this stupid fucking perspective to make yourself feel superior and stronger to other people and you're jumping through some pretty funny mental gymnastics to justify your addiction.
Do you even realize what you're doing? You're wasting precious minutes of your life staring not at a REAL woman, but through a SCREEN. And then you get on a vietnamese cock-fighting cartoon backwater imageboard to brag about it. It's fucking pathetic. Everyone here can see through your shit. Look in the mirror faggot.
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No.3160
>>3116
I tried that before since I deemed myself to be pretty much immune to lewdness before I actively started to masturbate.
It didn't work out for me, but if it does for you then I'm happy for you.
Don't ever get a false sense of security though.
You know how people say "once an alcoholic always an alcoholic"?
I think this applies here too
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No.3164
I tried that before. I decided to watch porn one last time for "nostalgia" reasons. Ended up relapsing in a very bad situation.
This idea of exposure doesn't work, worse yet, your brain will be filled with the memories of the garbage you watched to haunt you, probably for the rest of your life. I wish I could go back and never watch porn in my life. Not knowing what "oral sex" is would make me a huge difference.
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No.3187
>>3150
>Addiction is addiction buddy.
Not everyone who faps is addicted to it.
When I was a fapper I would only do it once or twice a week. That ain't addiction.
I guess that's why it was so easy for me to learn Exposure training. Maybe if you're a degenerate who faps twice a day it's different. Heh.
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No.3198
>>3187
>but I really AM a special snowflake! Basic logic really DOESN'T apply to me! I'm just better than all of you!
Dude, the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. You have not even initiated the path to self control. We can't help you if you don't want to help yourself.
Enjoy compulsively watching porn and believing it's "exposure training". Come back when you're ready to be honest with yourself.
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No.3216
>>3187
this dude's ego and identity is tied up enough in this facade for him to actually spend time on a backwater chinese imageboard bragging about it
just when you think you can't pity someone anymore, something like this comes along and takes its place
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No.3230
>>3198
>hurr everyone is just like me
Dude
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No.5387
>>3116
OP does have a point, this is the only thing that has worked for me. You can't run away from porn in this day and age. If you're not living under a rock, you're going to come across lewdness in one form or another. either online, on tv, or in public places. If you can't control your urges at home, what makes you think that you will be able to control them when some thicc ass chick in yoga pants walks by you at the store?
I've taken nude life drawing classes for years, which have has actually gained me a useful unintended "consequence". Basically, while drawing the occasional 7-10/10 female model in class , I unintentionally created an off-switch for lustful thinking patterns without even realizing it. I wasn't even thinking about the possibility of fucking the model in that moment l, I just felt innocent, like a kid learning how to draw a woman's body. What i hadn't realized, is that it was very much possible to appreciate the beauty of the female form without letting your base instincts get in the way. It was really weird, because when I wasn't focused on drawing, bouts of horniness usually overcame me, and I ended up eyeing some qt's in the classroom like any normal guy would.
So, it's not to say that I didn't struggle with porn addiction in the past, but merely the idea that couldn't control my urges for porn was the root of the problem. I had the realization that if I was unintentionally able to have an "off" switch for base "fuck-instincts" while doing the simple act of drawing, then I must also have the capability to use this off switch in other circumstances. The lesson I learned is to see through the illusion, and not be afraid of porn/sex, while also intentionally not letting my heart sink when it accidentally pops up in whatever form. You guys know what I'm talking about. If you avoid it like the plague, and still have deep-seeded attachments to wanting to fuck women nonstop, then you're still an addict.
To be clear, I'm not telling /nofap/ to go to pornhub and torture themselves. I'm just saying that it's probably better to face mental strongholds head on instead of just calling it quits on porn and "thats it". I'd like to point out that /nofap/ while masquerading as "not looking at and jacking off to porn", actually exists to serve a greater purpose; to strengthen your willpower overcome base instincts. To resist the lure of the thinking patterns preceding an orgasm.Thats how you get stronger at anything really, by resisting what comes easy.
Btw Vid somewhat related
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMmOAd2FVrE
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No.5406
>exposure not avoidance
>posts an obese landwhale
wew OP
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No.5425
This is stupid, I can say from my own experience as someone who has looked at porn many times without jacking it, because it would've just sucked to fail nofap! Porn stays in your brain, it reduces your grey matter I can see how. All you think of, even if you don't jack, is just that retarded dopamine rush of seeing grils on screen. Also, you ever notice how the most attractive girls you find in the internet are just normal girls w no nudes? Or just models? The most attractive girls have too much respect for themselves to whore themselves out on camera. That's the girl I want. Porn is fucking pleb tier. I get to actually use my brain for real shit when I don't view porn.
Best advice for you mother fuckers: I know how intense the urges are, and how persistent. Just DO SOMETHING and make it to bed time. If you sleep on not jacking off, saying "fuck Jews" to porn, you engrain the noporn habit into your brain. If you fail, its a step back and when you wake up the next day you won't be refreshed.
If you only view porn but actively, get that porn high, that shit will be stuck in your brain for more than 1 nights sleep. 2 days at Least. If you don't view porn, the urge to view it now is reduced. If you do view porn, the urge to view it now is increased by virtue of an appeased addiction.
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No.5440
>>5425
i'm gonna say "fuck jews" from now on whenever i start to subconsciously justify, or whatever the word is, fapping
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No.5446
>>3164
Well, I'm here now. Just throwing myself into the rocks with you guys, wish me luck.
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No.12785
>>3116
Where can I learn this technique OP? I'm really desperate, and learning to watch porn and still retain my semen would be my biggest wish right now. Please, please, help a poor soul reach bliss.
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No.12791
>>3116
"The secret to NoFap is not avoidance but exposure"
worst advice ever in my opinion, but good luck I guess, you do you.
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No.12792
>>3116
I'm curious OP
what is your longest streak and do you do a lot of mentally difficult tasks like math and physics problems? Because they' ve done studies that porn lowers your IQ, also why do you think wasting time watching porn is a good use of the limited time we have on this planet?
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