No.17365
This is my honest perspective on it and I'm open to having a discussion about it. I really believe the whole thing is a trap to get people to stop thinking clearly so it ruins their life. If my thread gets deleted I'm not sure what I will think, but I will probably believe that my concerns are confirmed.
Here I will present my perspective:
nofap was created by hyper leftist self hating anorexic OR obese roastie hyper-feminist misandrist social justice warrior outrage mob women with pointy glasses, too much make up, heels that are wayyyyy too high and exaggerated, and blue/green/pink dyed hair.
They created nofap so that men would hate their own bodies and themselves as much as women hate their own bodies and themselves. It's basically an MK ultra psychological warfare mindfuck like the things women say at the very end of arguments that just fucks your head for a whole week.
Meanwhile they contradict themselves by glorifying female sexuality, but demonizing male sexuality.
These people believe that men don't have the right to enjoy the freedom of brining themselves to orgasm by natural and safe and risk free means in the privacy of their own home, and seek to shame men and make them feel depressed and miserable for doing a healthy and happy natural thing that can't result in STD's or Pregnancy. Masturbation.
The end goal is that they know men are horny no matter what, so they convince them they can't fap, and then mens minds automatically rationalize that if they can't fap they must fuck, and then they bombard us with the incel insults to use peer pressure and bullying to push us into getting into a relationship and getting married to one of these "WOMYN" (not any of the unicorn rare nice ones) in order to achieve sex, because coomming in a womyn is totally different than coomming with your hand right? wrong, both ways you coomed. But then guess what, you're trapped! She's pregnant! Or maybe not, but both ways she divorce rapes you RIGHT in the fucking bank account and takes over half of all your shit, takes your healthy happy dog that you've had for years and puts him down the next day and raises your kid (while forcing you to pay child support) to become a liberal like them.
if you fap, a few minutes later men are like "HAHA sex… how stupid, I don't give a fuck…"
You fap, and then suddenly everything is so clear. "Why would I ever do this?" all the confusion and haze and fog and sexual drunkness goes away in an instant.
If you're ever thinking about being in a relationship with someone, excuse yourself and go fap and then come back and ask yourself "is this the same person I think I was going to be with a moment ago?" a lot of the time you will be like "whoa what the fuck, GOODBYE WITCH!" and just fucking run and don't look back. Don't pump and dump these witches either. Just steer the fuck CLEAR. It's not an honorable thing to do anyway, even if they don't have any honor. It's just not right.
these satanic "womyn" and other crazy liberal leftist democrat outrage mob social justice warriors actually fear this because when men fap their "beer goggles" come RIGHT off and they see womyn for what they really are and lose interest immediately.
It's scary because they actually want men to lose control, and they know what buttons to push to make men fear and worry until they are vulnerable to being raped by making them want to have sex, essentially men are having consensual sex with womyn, but in the process the man is raped.
FAP.
FAP LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.
BECAUSE IT DOES.
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No.17366
Let me make myself very clear here: I'm against abusive over-fapping. That's not good. I do it every once in a while, but not every single day. Make sure to take a shower right after too so you rinse out excess hormones that accumulate in the scalp after fapping and lead to hair loss. It's also helpful to fap maybe about 3 times (or less) in one day and then wait like 3 or 4 days if you can make it before fapping again so that you give your ding dong some healing time to recover. When you finally fap again it feels way better vs doing it every single day no matter what and then you can take a really special good relaxing shower right after on that day. Ask your doctor before doing this, but maybe gently apply a small amount of shea butter (unrefined is best but smells nutty and earthy but good) to your ding dong and balls and butt every day because it keeps the skin very healthy and smooth and stretchy and flexible and less prone to abrasion, and makes toilet paper burn your butt less when you rub clean. (but really you should be washing your butt with a little soap and water too after pooping, dry toilet paper doesn't do a good enough job to be honest)
Also Saw Palmetto, Maca Root (gelatinized only), and Chaste Berry is your friend. Chaste Berry has an odd reputation of lowering sex drive but I tried it and it did the exact opposite for me, but it feels really good. If I didn't like it I would probably just have stopped taking it, but it turned out nice because for me at least it's an odd increase in sex drive but you feel more in control of it, and it seems to feel better when you finally do fap. Make some smoothies with a very small (quarter teaspoon of saw palmetto powder and quarter teaspoon of Chaste berry powder and then maybe Two big tablespoons of maca root and maybe a smaller spoon of spirulina maybe with some almond or cashew milk or oat milk (just blended cashews or almonds or oats or a combination and water and you don't have to filter it if you blend it super fine and liquid consistency and maybe sweeten with molasses because I think it's one of the best) but ask your doctor first before doing anything
>but anon PORN is really bad! Don't ever watch porn! Porn is out to get you!
Porn is just Porn, and the same people that would have done bad things would do them anyway with or without porn. Banning porn to stop cheaters is like banning video games to stop school shooters.
Most sane healthy people can tell the different between fantasy and reality, and the small group of insane people are the ones that do all the dumb shit we witness every day.
Porn doesn't fuck up family units, shitty dysfunctional families that don't even know why the hell they got married and had kids and dislike each other for no reason are what fucks up family units. Just shitty people being retards for no reason because they don't know what they want.
Porn is just a side effect of the fact that nobody wants to reproduce, and nobody wanting to reproduce is a side effect of much bigger problems with the society they live in, and the quality of partners available to them.
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No.17367
If everyone is a cunt, people don't really want to get into a relationship with them and have kids, so people get lonely and depressed (better than being together with someone evil who hates them even more than they hate themselves) and as a source of pleasure and entertainment they use porn and get some relief and clear their mind while maybe getting a small workout and then it's back to life.
It's harmless, and the only thing bad about it is that using porn is like putting a bandaid on a broken bone. It's like taking antidepressants. Are you really fixing the problem or making yourself stupid enough to ignore the problem? Society is still broken, but since people can't really fix it, porn is the next best option.
With all this being said, it's also important to take note of the fact that mentally weak cucks who have fallen for this are also spreading this anti masturbation propaganda around because they believe that if they convince 100 men to stop fapping that a womyn will allow them to stick their pee pee in her va-jay-jay for being a good cuck loser and enslaved and dependant on her.
Stop going around telling complete strangers that they aren't allowed to fap. Go fuck yourself.
If it bothers you so much to think that another man is touching his own penis, maybe you shouldn't talk about our penises all the time and then we wouldn't talk about it either. The fact that you can't stop thinking about our dicks says a lot about you, and what you're really interested in.
Since this bullshit propaganda campaign has been exposed and defeated repeatedly, the nofap shills are changing their strategy and have now completely given up on telling people to not fap anymore, and instead are trying to convince people to put pressure on their urethra and ejaculate BACKWARDS INTO THEIR OWN BLADDER. "because some taoist guy did it"
https://archive.is/3zmPw
WARNING
Problems with this may include:
>Orgasm is ruined by the effort of trying to orgasm in a way that the body was not made to and the loss of concentration
Imagine you're eating some food and someone says "hey look at me" and then just take a shit on the table next to you. You're not really enjoying that food anymore.
>Ejaculation accumulates in the bladder and can cause urethral blockage, irritation, and eventually infection (which can put you in the Emergency Room or worse, you could die) and repeated cell damage and infections could eventually cause urethral and bladder cancers and you may end up needing to get your dick chopped off by a doctor and get put on a permanent piss bag connected straight to your kidneys for the rest of your life.
>Backwards ejaculation could also become permanent when the muscles and other parts of the anatomy become damaged and too weak to be able to ejaculate normally ever again
DO NOT FALL FOR THIS BULLSHIT
These sick and obsessed and nosy individuals (probably mostly Womyn and SJW's) are so angry that they want to destroy your ability to enjoy pleasure, because they don't believe men deserve to ever feel anything good. They are pure evil, and these are the exact kinds of people that think that female genital mutilation is evil and bad, but are perfectly okay with male genital mutilation (CIRCUMCISION)
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No.17368
The Looser No-Fooper: a parody of strangers who are unfortunately actually real.
>be the most nosy stuck up loser in the world
>been forced to go to bible study for my entire life by my hardcore bible thumping JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZUUUUUUUUUUUUZZZZZZZ parents until I became 20, and then kept going anyway on purpose.
>start being indoctrinated by natalist fucktards who don't actually care about people, only making more slaves for that sweet, sweet infrastructure and tax production, I'm such a good cow. Moo moooooo!
>think I'm smarter than everybody who ever lived and tell people this every single day on 4chan, reddit, instagram, facebook, and in the youtube comments section
>realize porn websites exist
>realize people are literally enjoying their life for even just a small moment
>become desperately obsessed with the idea of other mens penises and men and how often and in what way they are allowed to touch their own penises (But it's okay if women masturbate, WOMYNNNNNNNNN POWRRRRRR)
>so I call them cumbrains
>ahahhahahaha cumbrains! COOM! COOOOOOM!!!!
>this doesn't stop them from masturbating
>spread endless oceans of propaganda in an attempt to make everyone who masturbates feel depressed and self-hating and ashamed of their own natural body and for just having an orgasm every once in a while
>this doesn't stop them either
>write angry letters to congress demanding they burn the constitution so we can finally ban pornography *starts clapping like a retard*
>Senator rightly tells me to fuck off
>call him a retarded coombrain
>hahaha coom, COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (message too long, click here to view)
>eventually go insane trying to get people to stop masturbating
>break into adult video stores and begin flogging the perverts with my rosary, telling them to repent and start a family so they can enjoy a joyless life full of misery and wageslaving for a family that doesn't even care about you
>break into people's homes and start flogging them for masturbating
>get arrested
>get sent to mental hospital because cumbrains think I'm mentally unhinged
>COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM at the moon from my padded cell
>I am the nofap wolf! COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
So basically that's what I think. Please engage me in some discussion and maybe convince me to take this more seriously or something. I'm open to talk about it.
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No.17373
You are on to something, I have no doubt those who want to destroy men are attacking all the fronts in which they find comfort like fapping and videogames, but still, with the availability of porn we are from a young age also conditioned to fap, which can turn into an addiction as the act of fapping liberates dopamine a thing which all drugs do, and like with drugs there's a process of escalation from vanilla to fetish porn, if all of us could go and fap in moderation as you so suggest there will be no problem at all I figure, but some of us, call us weak willed or whatever, have fallen prey of the addiction and fap two or more times each day, it doesn't matter if our actual goal of no fapping anymore aligns with that of the ultra left, by wasting all our day fapping we might as well be dead.
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No.17374
>>17373
You sound very reasonable and I agree that all addictions are very bad. I just worry about people who at the very least succeed in avoiding one extreme and then fall into the other extreme. Just watch out and be careful that you don't become the monster you are trying to defeat and God Speed.
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No.17379
You sound schizophrenic tbh, I don't think it's worth it to argue with four pages of >implications to maybe get you on my side.
Though you may use this as a conformation for your views, damn dude you really showed me the what for.
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No.17381
>>17365
Nofap wasn't created by feminists, its existed for hundreds of years as a counter strike to further sexualization of society. Leftists want the sexualization of society, like seriously why do you think the advocate for the legalization of sex work, homosexuality, and pedophilia. Please try harder to cope, ok sweetie
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No.17384
shove it down your ass nigger.
Keep not fapping fellas
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No.17388
>>17381
>Nofap wasn't created by feminists
I've got bad news for you… he's actually right about that one. Take a jog on down to the r/nofap subleddit and look at all of the proud soyboys giving up masturbation to "correct their male gaze and stop looking at women as sex objects".
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No.17400
>>17388
>r/nofap
Fuck that place, it doesnt help the cause of nofap at all. Nofap has history and philosophy behind it before the internet.
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No.17408
Well to put it simply: I think you are wrong based on my own experiences. I feel generally more well and vital when I do Nofap and I think your views on the reasoning behind doing it in the first place are completely misplaced. Due to this, your argument are built upon a false premise and the only way you were able to "support" that was through the use of several strawmen.
You are too focused on women and what they want. That's not the point of nofap and while I understand that it is a motivator for some that do it, I'm inclined to believe that those individuals are missing the point, much like yourself.
You also claim that proponents of nofap go out of their way to "think about other men's penises all the time" but in my experience, the opposite is true. It usually goes: someone posts information of nofap, people against it come out of the woodwork to use shaming tactics to imply that advocates are crazy/stupid/faggots/incels/etc with the same vitriol you'll see out of a coke addict when you say, "hey man, that stuff seems to be fucking with your head lately. You alright?"
I just don't see any of your arguments describing the reality of what I've seen, so o wholeheartedly disagree with you. Have a nice day.
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No.17422
>>17365
>Using faulty (((Pyschology))) to justify your position.
>Uses the exact same logic as the people you disagree with
>Reddit spacer
I'll suppose I'll try to get to root of the matter
>These people believe that men don't have the right to enjoy the freedom of brining themselves to orgasm by natural and safe and risk free means in the privacy of their own home, and seek to shame men and make them feel depressed and miserable for doing a healthy and happy natural thing that can't result in STD's or Pregnancy. Masturbation.
OP is missing the point to a comical extent. Overcoming lust is both possible and necessary. Because ultimately all pleasure is received in vain, thus should not be sought after. If pleasure seeking is allowed to followed unabated then it only natural that you see the sexual slavery that men who follow this (((logic))) sells them into. To become a full man and not a brain-dead coomer means rejecting this Hedonistic pleasure seeking.
>They created nofap so that men would hate their own bodies and themselves as much as women hate their own bodies and themselves. It's basically an MK ultra psychological warfare mindfuck like the things women say at the very end of arguments that just fucks your head for a whole week.
Ignoring entirely the fact that masturbation has been historically and currently been pushed as a means of controlling the masses by taking away their ability to control themselves. Because if you look back to who is pushing this, it traces back to degenerates like (((Wilhelm Reich))) and Alfred Kinsey, both of whom had this agenda in mind.
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No.17458
>nofap was created by hyper leftist self hating anorexic OR obese roastie hyper-feminist misandrist social justice warrior outrage mob women with pointy glasses, too much make up, heels that are wayyyyy too high and exaggerated, and blue/green/pink dyed hair.
If any of you continued to read the post after this line, I'm disappointed in you.
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No.17459
>>17458
Go to your faggy furry cuck board
NO FAP TILL CORONA LOCKDOWN IS LIFTED
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No.17460
>>17459
How is this even your response? Did you even understand what I wrote?
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No.17462
>>17365
The case of Nofap is about SELF-CONTROL
for us fap has became an addiction, therefor we should cut it.
its r/nofap who make men hate thier bodies, here we try to stop our self from the PMO addiction.
ps: i didnt read your whole post
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No.17480
>>17365
Plenty of women have sex drive problems and wish to control it. Nofap isn't exclusively for men. Yes, Reddit is full of cucks who will wax poetic about bullshit, but there exists legitimate reasons to go a period without masturbating or orgasming. Don't let the illegitimate reasons sway your opinion about a bodily function. This is subjective with personal physiology involved.
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No.17490
>>17365
I like your skepticism!
Consider the context tho.
Gynationalists diminish that source of zeal in effort to personally substitute the dependency. One needn't convince another to stop fapping to force that other to stop fapping. Not having the dependency as juxtaposition to inject one's self as a substitute addiction in the first place, eliminates a non-trivial vector for abuse by a hypothetical abuser.
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No.17585
>>17388
>correct their male gaze and stop looking at women as sex objects".
Yes, that’s not for white knighting, it’s to regain sovereignty and power over ourselves and therefore (((feminism))). They no longer have that bargaining chip.
>>17365
You spent a lot of effort on cope, straw men, and goal post moving.
>>17366
>It's also helpful to fap maybe about 3 times (or less) in one day
This is an addiction.
>>17368
That’s a lot of effort to ad homonym most everyone on the board. Great argument kike.
>>17373
>>17374
Obvious samefag is obvious. KYS.
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No.17596
All sexuality is a trap by femgroids. Even if you never actually taint your holy lance in the devil vagina trap, fapping to porn still causes you to associate femgroids with pleasure, which is essentially where the urge to put femgroids up on the pedestal comes from. Even if you claim to avoid porn, you can't stop your imagination from conjuring up femgroids, which has the same effect. Your only alternative is faggotry, but faggots are even lower than femgroids.
>inb4 hurr durr just use 2D hurr
Anime femgroids are nothing but idealized depictions of femgroids, which are ultimately designed trick your subconscious into thinking that femgroids are worthwhile human beings, which they aren't and can never be. It's even worse than real porn because at least real porn lets you see the femgroid for the disgusting animal it is.
Nofap is essentially the key to breaking free from femgroid mind control, so long as you approach it correctly.
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No.17637
dude nofap isn't about not being attracted to females or building up your sexual energy or any of that stuff. The bottom line is that nofap is about self control. People who fap because of urges are the same people who would become a male feminist if they had a chance of getting pussy. It's about denying women ,or anyone, any sort of power over you…power which can corrupt your morals and make you do things that you wouldn't normally do.
I don't want to be controlled by sexual stimuli. I'm not a fucking simp.
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No.17641
>>17596
>>17637
This seems reasonable. I think the "correct approach" is to force yourself to recognize that you have a higher will above animalistic sexual urges which allow your enslavement, so that you can ignore then without even having to think about it, and do stuff that actually matters. Pleasure doesn't matter in comparison to anything of lasting significance.
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No.17675
>>17596
I'll stick with the 2D femgroids, thank you very much. I'm doing NNN for some of my waifus, not even kidding
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No.17676
>>17365
don't forget to spew out your life force, goyim, all porn directed and produced by Shekel Moneystein is good for you!
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No.17698
>>17365
>nofap is created by feminists and leftists to turn you into a sexually repressed horny fuck
>therefore you should do what the (((journalists))) are telling you to do, and fap your life away because reverse psychology
anon I don't think you understand the true power of semen retention, let alone transmutation.
"not jacking off" isn't supposed to turn you into a wild horny animal. Instead, it's supposed to allow you to accumulate sexual energy to be TRANSFERRED, transmuted and used in more productive ways than training your right bicep. Without transmutation, semen retention is pretty much pointless in my honest opinion.
Also female attraction is real. I experienced it multiple times. You gotta go for a clean 21 day streak to truly know what I'm talking about. No peeking, no edging, nothing. Trust me you'll know exactly what I'm talking about
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No.17705
Ive seen this posted on other boards I dont recall where at the moment but to some it all up refer to pic
ps: Fuck reddit
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No.17716
I'll do NNN and brief NoFap for discipline or make sure I'm not addicted. Even though I watch a lot of crazy porn I've never had the symptoms of porn addiction, e.g. trouble getting hard in real life or needing more extreme porn to get off.
I've not ejaculated since mid-October. I wasn't planning on going so long but November hit and now I'm not really into cumming. After about three weeks of NoFap, very sticky drops of semen would leak out of my dick. Fucking gross but only a little bit, it happened a few times a week. This morning I was taking a much-needed shit after not shitting the day before, and after the shit came out I pissed a shot glass of cum and prostate fluid. I thought I was just pissing at first until I stood up and globs of cum kept falling out of my dick onto the bathroom floor. I looked in the toilet and saw the mass of cum at the front of the bowl just under the water. I didn't experience any pleasure but I did feel more relaxed and my sack felt less pressure.
I'm writing this because that was the gayest, grossest fucking thing my body's done and you're better off being a porn-addicted coomer than unloading a fluid ounce of jizz into a shit-filled toilet. Fucking nasty.
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No.17852
if it's not an addiction, then you should be able to quit for a month without ever thinking about it.
please quit for a month and tell us how it goes.
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No.17854
>>17365
If's you think it's a scam, you should question what exactly you are giving up by not masturbating. Nobody is forcing you to date or get married. In fact, if you are going to deny yourself pleasure, you may as well go all the way and abstain from sexual relations with women as well as pornography and masturbation. Think of it as a well to clear your mind and build self-discipline. It doesn't have to be permanent either. Try masturbating without pornography once a month or so and see how that goes.
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No.17855
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No.17860
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No.17873
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No.17874
>>17381
You argue against sexualization of society while posting a picture of a steroid user with a homosexual message?
OP is onto something. Not masturbating for ascetic reasons might be a good thing, but only after conquering other vices such as smoking, food, drinks, videogames and internet addiction.
Diogenes is said to publicly masturbate and he was known for rejecting all other worldly pleasures.
I wish broader asceticism or real stoicism (not the poker face existentialist meme) was more popular rather than nofap.
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