No.5779
Promoting this reading list for monarchists.
This is for any newcomers and readers.
>what else may this thread be for?
Passing other infographs, but really it's just to promote the latest edition.
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No.5828
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No.5864
>>5828
You are welcome.
Unfortunately, I couldn't add anymore Maistre.
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No.5873
>>5864
The Generative Principle of Political Constitutions contains most of de Maistre's major works, so it's not really a problem.
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No.5874
>>5873
I think those are just excerpts.
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No.5881
I've heard that the Kaiser's memoirs were basically Wilhelm saying, "NOTHING IN WWI WAS MY FAULT. EVERYONE WAS MEAN TO ME. EVEYRONE ELSE WAS TO BLAME. I DID EVERYTHING PERFECTLY, BUT PEOPLE JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND MY BENEVOLENCE AND GENIUS."
Also also, I know this might not fit, but Euler wrote a small book called, "Letters to a German Princess," which is actually a really good introduction to the sciences for kids nowadays.
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No.5886
>>5881
>"NOTHING IN WWI WAS MY FAULT. EVERYONE WAS MEAN TO ME. EVEYRONE ELSE WAS TO BLAME. I DID EVERYTHING PERFECTLY, BUT PEOPLE JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND MY BENEVOLENCE AND GENIUS."
I mean, that's what everyone said in WW1. Besides that, every patriotic German should read it. It is still an insightful read. Most views and propaganda take a hard hit on the monarchs of WW1 because they were the last stand against the triumph of democracy and "representative" government in Europe.
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No.5887
A lot of these books take hard hits from dissenters because the winners write history. What we lost was a tremendous heritage and view of the world before the dawn of ideologies. Ridicule and gossip about these books mean nothing to me, anons.
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No.5921
>>5881
You can read the Memoirs here.
Another maligned figure in history.
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No.5925
>>5881
There's a lot of historical drama and propaganda out there. It's the winners who write history for better or for worst.
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No.5927
>>5925
he did not like individualism so i dont like him
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No.5931
>>5927
You can always leave for Africa.
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No.5959
>>5931
africa is not individualistic u dumb ass
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No.6040
>>4446
The problem with this list is that it lacks structure ironic considering the subject matter, there's no clear indication of what's a good starting book and what is not. Take this list from /liberty/ for example, it gives you pretty clear order for the best way to read these books, and to what aspect of lolbergism each one corresponds. For instance, if you were to split this list into branches, you could have one for libertarian monarchist sympathizers that starts with The God That Failed, then goes to von Kuehnelt's works. Maybe another branch for religious-based arguments, and one more for revolutions and counter-revolutions. Maybe one for works that are more about political theory in general (like The Prince and Aristotle's Politics) rather than monarchy specifically. Obviously there could be some overlap between these branches, as is done in the /liberty/ guide.
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No.6041
>>6040
I grouped them together.
Honestly, there aren't enough hands on deck to do this and there's not really enough subject matter to split it into those categories. What I like about the infograph provided is the novice, beginner, and proficient levels. The reading list is just fine and I cannot get enough people to wager into creating a more organized one. By the standards of most reading lists, I would say the /monarchy/ is okay. There really wasn't a reading list before. I did contemplate making a beginners guide to reading a few of the books and having illustrations.
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No.6042
>>6041
Oh, are they? I didn't realize, my apologies.
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No.6043
>>6042
Eh, reading lists for reactionaries are difficult to organize.
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No.6044
I'll come out and say I don't have the skill to make a fancy reading list.
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No.6135
Though quite contradictory, unless you're knee deep in Hegels theories like I am, I find a lot of communists that shitholes like leftpol will deny exist, like Kojeve, Althusser, Sorel, Bataille, etc that have hidden truths in their theories. Just ask.
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No.6245
It's too bad this reading list doesn't get far and wide.
Is it me or are other monarchists the hardest to find solidarity with?
They always bicker and bicker. Same with Grace Chan.
Bicker, bicker, bicker. Where is a constitution to represent constitutional monarchists? Where is this and that? I hate bickering. If grace isn't good enough for some people, they really do deserve hellfire.
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No.6250
>>6135
do u suggest Bataille was a commie?
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No.6252
>>6245
>If grace isn't good enough for some people, they really do deserve hellfire.
QFT
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No.6255
Hobbes’ Leviathan is not worth reading unless you read it with the knowledge that it’s very bad. It’s a scandalous book that monarchists/authoritarians will read thinking its “based” without realizing that it is not only a formative book on liberalism but also entirely filled to the brim with materialism and near-atheism. Don’t read Hobbes unless you’re a student being forced to read him.
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No.6256
>>6255
>It’s a scandalous book
In the world today, books and doctrines are far more atheistic than the works of Hobbes. If someone wants to call Hobbes out for being excessively liberal, I want to know that person. That person must be very hardcore.
>not only a formative book on liberalism
To be fair on Hobbes, his purpose was to come out as an apologist and refute the critics of his time. Look at all the things spoken of the Long Parliament and Hobbes' concern with classical political theory. His target audience was the earlier liberals of his day. All he did was turn the tables. Yes, this did enable and develop the ideals of social contract theory. I still don't think any monarchist should negate learning about it. We're all a little bit liberal these days anyways.
<however, Hobbes is egalitarian and modernist
This is true and untrue for different reasons. Yes, Hobbes does start off with people motivated under self-interest and passion. He condemns egalitarianism as a "state of conflict". What makes Hobbes' work modern is his revision of classical political theory. In order to understand Hobbes' Leviathan, it is important to know the context of his time (The English Civil War & his ideological opponents) and Aristotle's Politics.
>formative book
I'll agree that there are a few disappointing things in the book. But there are a few good things in the book also. Hobbes was very erudite and knew the classics. Many valuable political insights remain hinged while other political treatises would discard these. A few points of view from Hobbes aren't bad for a monarchist to read into. Hobbes himself was a monarchist and a tutor for King Charles II.
> It’s a scandalous book that monarchists/authoritarians
Authoritarian is another spooky revisionist term meant to scare you. Don't use it. But I will agree that a monarchist should be aware of social contract theory and how much they agree or disagree with it. The only offense about Hobbes' writing is it demands stronger centralization (which will disturb those who like decentralization) and its social contract theorist angle.
>entirely filled to the brim with materialism and near-atheism
Compared to other political treatises and works today, Leviathan has more Christian content like his chapter on Christian Commonwealth.
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No.6302
>>6135
It's not like Capitalism or even Capital are permanent. I do believe that we have gained all that can be gained from socialism through the Internet and software piracy.
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No.6318
>>6302
Thoughts are a non-scarce good (my having your thought does not exclude you having the same thought), so socialism does make sense there.
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No.6319
>>6302
As the other guy says, thoughts and intellectual property aren't scarce, and thus not legally property, so filesharing wouldn't be criminal in ancapistan.
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No.6501
Currently reading Bagehot's The English Constitution, what does /monarchy/ think about his views on constitutional monarchy?
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No.6502
>>6501
the faggots would probably be sipping wine while reading Bertrand de Jovenel and Ernst Kantorowicz and agree with him. that's neo-feudalists for ya I gave a brief survey of its Wikipedia page and so far I couldn't say much about it. I could be wrong, but the House of Commons is already so powerful that it is a unicameral system and whatever prerogative and royal assent the monarch has is stripped away or the Crown is manhandled. Partisanship in any form is bad, and I suppose that's part of his concern. What could you tell us, anon?
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No.6512
>>6043
>reactionary
nice leftist meme
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No.7036
A little while back, some anon and I were discussing the works of some author, whose thesis centered around kings wielding authority rather than power. I can't remember the name of the author or the book, would someone care to assist?
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No.7037
>>7036
Bertrand de Jouvenel?
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No.7038
>>7037
Yeah that's the one, thanks.
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No.7040
>>7038
Honestly, it's not that I dislike Bertrand de Jouvenel as much as half the people who reference him are either (A. retarded NRx readers who misinterpret him or (B. the neofeudalists who read him along with other niche authors.
NRx is cancer. I hate NRx, and I don't know why anyone would associate with a movement with a guy called 'Moldbug'. Mad Monarchist is the only decent blogger, while NRx bloggers are terrible. Neoabsolutists alone are terrible for associating with Bertrand de Jouvenel because as an author he never supported absolutist stance and actually condemned it. I could rave on and on. As far as NRx is concerned, I use the prefix -neo as an insult these days. It serves them right because NRx shills are usually the ones who buzz "muh modernism" and "muh Enlightenment" inexplicably.
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No.7041
>>7040
*Not all neoabsolutist folk are terrible, with given exceptions to a select number and Truediltom
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No.7054
>>6250
He was a Marxist-Leninist yes but a very odd one, part of the structuralist school. Ideas from unlikely sources can be used to one's advantages.
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No.7055
>>7040
Moldbug has ok ideas but isn't fully someone is support considering him and Nick Land (I admire both, but hold them at caution) tend to be more on the Transhumanist side than Agrarian side.
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