No.13 [Last50 Posts]
Can we get a Monarchist reading list?
I'll start with some:
Dante's De Monarchia
De Maistre's The Generative Principle of Political Constitutions
Filmer's Patriarcha
Kuehnelt-Leddihn's Liberty or Equality
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No.15
De Regno - St. Aquinas
A Defence of Aristocracy: A Textbook for Tories - Ludovici
The French Revolution: A History - Carlyle
Monarchisms in the Age of the Enlightenment - Hans W. Blom
Democracy: The God that Failed - H.H. Hoppe
Essays on Catholicism, Liberalism and Socialism - J.D. Cortes
Revolution and Counter-Revolution - Oliveira
Reflections of a Russian Statesman - Pobedonostsev
Politics Drawn from Holy Scripture - Bishop Bossuet
Beasts, Men and Gods - Ossendowski
Nicholas and Alexandra - R. K. Massie
The Leopard - Lampedusa
Le Morte D'Arthur - Malory
Idylls of the King - Tennyson
Shahmaneh or The Book of the Kings - Ferdowsi
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No.20
http://www.gornahoor.net/?p=6548There are multiple parts, just hit the next "segment" button.
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No.22
Rip /mon/
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No.31
>>22It's picking up here, albeit slowly.
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No.37
John of Salisbury - Policracitus (one of first formulations of the organic state)
Sir John Fortescue - On the Governance of England (work of natural law, outlines the differences between an absolute and limited monarchy)
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No.40
Exactly what I've been looking for
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No.42
>>40Glad to hear it. Welcome.
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No.69
I have nothing to contribute but wanted to voice my support.
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No.72
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No.158
>>13
I'd like to add a few videos and an article
http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2010-0930-medaille-real-catholic-monarchy.htm
Democracy, Monarchy & Catholicism: A Scholarly Analysis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac1d0E1bLgg
The Superiority of Monarchy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzAtszsW7WU
Also, De Maistre
Essay on the Generative Principle of Political Constitutions and other Human Institutions
http://maistre.uni.cx:8000/generative_principle.html
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No.237
I recently came across this book which elucidates the link between Medieval Christology and perceptions of sovereignty.
Anyone familiar with Evola will be able to grasp the concepts immediately, particularly the regent's role serving as Axis Mundi.
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No.244
>>13
Patriarcha by Robert Filmer
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No.253
The Prince by Machiavelli
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No.280
>>15
>The French Revolution: A History - Carlyle
I tried reading it because I am currently interested in Marie Antoinette but I was confused by all the fancy terms. And I thought it was a straight-laced history book.
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No.303
Just started my journey through some of these, so fair warning. But I believe them to be valuable contributions so far.
Leviathan by Hobbes of course.
An Open Letter to Open-Minded Progressives by Moldbug. Does a very good job exposing and tearing down the worldview that has been popular since the French Revolution.
The Dark Enlightenment by Nick Land. Err, well, the first half or so of it anyway. I find all of part four wanders pretty aimlessly and comes to a silly conclusion, but the rest of it is very good.
Just a note though, that especially the last two also focus on traditionalism and debunking the idea of equality, so they aren't purely monarchist works. More neo-reactionary, which tends to advocate monarchism anyway.
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No.304
>>303
>An Open Letter to Open-Minded Progressives by Moldbug
>no Indonesia when talking about muh Third World post-colonialism
What a shame. I'd love to read what he has to say about my country.
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No.305
>>303
Is nrX really monarchist
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No.319
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No.320
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No.330
This short manuscript is why I am on this board at the moment.
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No.383
Under Feudalism homelessness/joblessness technically did not exist. Everybody was offered a place in society atleast and some land to work on with free accommodation by the Monarchy. Even the "laziest", if they didn't have any interest in moving up they could still have a place in society. Atleast be used productively as peasantry/infantry for the greater good of everybody. The Church was part of the state and provided welfare services. Monarchy offers everybody a place?
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No.384
What if Socialism and Marxism-Leninism might be a response to Feudalism/Monarchy and its security being destroyed? In Monarchy people loved the King or the Lord for the security he provided them. A job/land to work on and accommodation rationally planned/calculated assigned to all people.
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No.385
So maybe they are symptoms of a bigger problem and not a problem in itself, destruction of Feudalism/Monarchy thus the death of security. People end up one day suddenly looking for a replacement long after when "democracy/republics" were established.
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No.461
>>305
I feel like NRX dudes admire monarchy for the wrong reasons.
What they want ultimately is a nationalist or neotribal sort of dictatorship, not traditional monarchy which monarchists usually admired for the greater sense of relative freedom and spiritual value
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No.711
Just deleted my post. Oh well. Anyway, here's my book dump:
https://www.file-upload.net/download-12575074/BookDumpPart1.rar.html
https://www.file-upload.net/download-12575107/BookDumpPart2.rar.html
And here's what (probably) belongs in the reading list:
>Moar from Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn
Especially Procrustes at Large and Leftism.
>Some stuff from Bertrand de Jouvenel
Particularly, but probably not only, Sovereignty.
>Lord Acton
>De Tocqueville
>The Conduct of War, by Fuller
>Gottesgnadentum und Widerstandsrecht im frühen Mittelalter, by Fritz Kern
Aww shit don't ask me for a translation plox.
More or less notable opposition:
>Spooner
>Tucker
>Stirner
>Rawls
>Amartya Sen
>Ludwig von Mises
>Murray Rothbard
>Rousseau
>Locke
>Thomas Paine
>Marx and Engels
>Rummel
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No.716
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
The State in the Third Millennium
by Hans-Adam II, Prince of Liechtenstein
Does anyone have this book by the way? Hoppe was involved with the writing to some degree.
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No.718
>>716
Huh, this book is actually at my local library. That interview is bretty gud btw. He kind of fires passing blow at the divine right approach a little bit in there (which surprised me), and a lot of other things in that interview are interesting.
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No.720
>>716
I ordered it, should arrive in a few days. Maybe even tomorrow.
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No.742
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Cool, I still want to check it out myself
Here's a bit more background on the book @10:46
I guess Hoppe was involved more with the editing than the writing
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No.754
>>742
It arrived today. Pretty thin book, but it talks about a lot of topics, from the size of the state and how that influences politics, to military technology, to currencies and the gold standard. Looks very promising so far.
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No.766
>>754
Keep us up to date. It seems like there's at least three folks just in this sticky alone who are interested in this book.
I went to the library to have a brief look at it. I found his use of the word 'oligarchy' in my brief scanning to be interesting.
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No.796
>>461
>NRx
>nationalist
Hardly. Most of them, being atheists, have nothing to say on spiritual value, but freedom is exactly why Moldbug and co. value monarchy. They also aren't fond of dictatorship because dictatorships have fundamental security and succession problems. Moldbug favors a CEO-king joint stock corporation state design over absolutism, but the former should not be mistaken for dictatorship because of the very different allocation of power. He calls dictatorship a close relative of democracy and the opposite of monarchy.
This should be elucidating: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/02/from-mises-to-carlyle-my-sick-journey.html.
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No.877
>>766
Haven't startet it yet. I'm reading way too many books at the moment and want to get a little more breathing space before I start anything new.
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No.883
Might be of interest to you guys.
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No.884
>>883
My mistake, here's the first page. By Bertrand de Jouvenel, Sovereignty.
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No.981
No one gonna post his reading progress?
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No.1238
Bumping the sticky with an english pdf of Fritz Kerns book.
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No.1380
>>330
It is actually part of a larger book called "A Short History of Man". Definitely recommended reading.
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No.1662
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No.1733
>>13
I know Robert Filmer is very popular, but he also wrote when the monarchy in England was in a time of crisis and the Ancien Régime on the way out. His arguments probably weren't that good either, judging by what Locke wrote against him, although I haven't read Filmer myself.
So, not sure he belongs on that list.
>>1662
I posted this months ago, it is safe. Although as I see, one link died, plus I had many additions to my library in the meantime. So I might make a new upload somewhere.
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No.2353
Eikon Basilike is good.
So is the memoirs of Kaiser Wilhelm II.
Answer to History.
Never let historians speak for history alone. Autobiography is important. Revisionism is always a risk between the two sources, but I honestly trust the integrity of primary accounts than secondary sources,
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No.2354
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No.2449
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No.2476
Interesting book on the Willy-Nicky correspondence, an autistic foreword by Theodore Roosevelt, written by (((Herman Bernstein)))
https://archive.org/stream/willynickycorres00bernuoft#page/n5/mode/2up
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No.2477
Mercantilism book. I don't endorse mercantilism, but I wouldn't call myself an absolute free trader either.
http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/10_Econ.andLabor_Doc.2_English.pdf
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No.2484
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No.2485
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No.2486
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No.2490
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No.2491
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No.2583
THE REGICIDE OF KING CHARLES I
Please, reactionary friends… read these. The greatest enemy of our liberty are these false cries of liberty, who speak on behalf of their might and illegitimate governments; for all their talk of liberty, the forces of parliament would rather subject every citizen than themselves and deprive even kings of their liberty. Do not allow this precedent to continue. No authority is perfect, but the monarch's authority is his inheritance and his legitimate power. Accepting authority, as King Charles I made it clear had been his "corruptible crown" as he addressed going to the "incorruptible crown" of Heaven. This is why he remains a martyr, as spoken with his final words…
Excerpt
It is not a slight thing you are about. I am sworn to keep the peace, by that duty I owe to God and my country; and I will do it to the last breath of my body. And therefore ye shall do well to satisfy, first, God, and then the country, by what authority you do it. If you do it by an usurped authority, you cannot answer it; there is a God in Heaven, that will call you, and all that give you power, to account.
If it were only my own particular case, I would have satisfied myself with the protestation I made the last time I was here, against the legality of the Court, and that a King cannot be tried by any superior jurisdiction on earth: but it is not my case alone, it is the freedom and the liberty of the people of England; and do you pretend what you will, I stand more for their liberties. For if power without law, may make laws, may alter the fundamental laws of the Kingdom, I do not know what subject he is in England that can be sure of his life, or any thing that he calls his own.
I do not know the forms of law; I do know law and reason, though I am no lawyer professed: but I know as much law as any gentleman in England, and therefore, under favour, I do plead for the liberties of the people of England more than you do; and therefore if I should impose a belief upon any man without reasons given for it, it were unreasonable … The Commons of England was never a Court of Judicature; I would know how they came to be so.
It was the liberty, freedom, and laws of the subject that ever I took - defended myself with arms. I never took up arms against the people, but for the laws … For the charge, I value it not a rush. It is the liberty of the people of England that I stand for. For me to acknowledge a new Court that I never heard of before, I that am your King, that should be an example to all the people of England, for to uphold justice, to maintain the old laws, indeed I do not know how to do it.
This many-a-day all things have been taken away from me, but that that I call more dear to me than my life, which is my conscience, and my honour: and if I had a respect to my life more than the peace of the Kingdom, and the liberty of the subject, certainly I should have made a particular defence for my self; for by that at leastwise I might have delayed an ugly sentence, which I believe will pass upon me … Now, sir, I conceive that an hasty sentence once passed, may sooner be repented of than recalled: and truly, the self-same desire that I have for the peace of the Kingdom, and the liberty of the subject, more than my own particular ends, makes me now at lest desire, before sentence be given, that I may be heard … before the Lords and Commons … If I cannot get this liberty, I do protest, that these fair shows of liberty and peace are pure shows and that you will not hear your King."
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TRIAL:
http://www.constitution.org/primarysources/charles.html
EIKON BASILIKE:
https://archive.org/stream/eikonbasilikeork00almauoft#page/n29/mode/2up
MM on the trial of regicide:
https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2012/01/trial-and-regicide-of-charles-i.html
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No.2584
>>1733
Patriarcha is a pretty important book. I wouldn't disregard it because John Locke responded to it.
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No.2596
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No.2630
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No.2816
Link that will disappear shortly is the best I can do:
http://library1.org/_ads/D9BACA3E352056622D4CCEB6B34F3E03
"The State in the Third Millenium," hotly reviewed by /monarchy/, get your copy now.
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No.2817
>>2816
Thanks to the folks over at /pdfs/
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No.2828
>>2816
Okay, grabbed your book. I will secure it in a folder.
Thanks, anon.
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No.2879
>The King is dead! Long live the King!
What does that mean? A simple reference to the cycle?
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No.2887
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No.2997
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No.3152
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No.3162
>>796
Listen to the Ascending the Tower podcast. Most of the Hestia types are Orthodox or TradCat.
I got here because of Hoppe and manosphere shit. Well that and Evola as well as Florian Geyer's podcast.
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No.3174
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No.3290
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No.3647
if your looking for some good monarchist/traditionalist fiction i'd recommend Sir Nigel by Arthur Conan Doyle. this was my grandfather's favourite book growing up and since he passed it down to me it's been my favourite as well.
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No.3648
heres a pdf if you cant find a hardcopy
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No.3649
>>3647
Thank you. I appreciate the read.
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No.3815
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No.4226
>>384
well the peasants-turned-proletariat 9due to urbanization) in early soviet russia carried on the tradition of appealing directly to the tsar except they did so directly to lenin or stalin. they were still working within their worldview of a just father figure who ran the domain who could be appealed to to bring justice in their daily lives
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No.4402
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No.4446
reading list 2.0 is out.
American loyalist books + maistre/evola
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No.4450
>>4446
This is fucking cringe. It's so focused on being "not republicanism" that it's just as painfully modern as liberal democracy.
Also, people need to stop referring to the Prince as a monarchist book. It's just a treatise on the way authoritarian states should act, Machiavelli even cites the Roman Republic throughout as an example of effective princedom.
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No.4857
>>884
>>883
This book sounds very relevant to what I'm screeching about, but I doubt it's very sincere when it suggests 'absolute sovereignty' is a modern idea.
>The Sovereign Will which modern writers ascribe in principle to the people
As usual with liberal critics of the absolute, they hit at Hobbes. They don't hit at Filmer. They don't hit at Bossuet. They don't at Maistre. These other theorists weren't about popular sovereignty being manifested through a will.
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No.5078
First time on this board, long time authoritarian and monarchist.
>>13
>>244
>>1733
>>4857
>>2584
A joy to find that Filmer is “very popular” anywhere.
I first read Filmer’s political works earlier this year, after finishing Leviathan. I was enthralled and amazed by his writings. I have amended some of my own ideas about authoritarian theory based on his writings.
Filmer was that rare combination, both well-versed in received wisdom and imaginative enough to formulate new ideas to suit what he found. His Freeholder’s Grand Inquest (since freeholders of land were those enfranchised, it’s basically a 17th century voter’s guide) has excellent constitutional scholarship; Peter Laslett, who wrote the comments on my edition and whose sympathies are clearly with the liberal tradition, admits Filmer was right, but that Filmer’s ideas were discredited simply because his side lost in 1688.
Filmer is great at unpacking at what republicanism is in practice, and how an assembly actually governs by creating the legal fiction of the unified will an individual, the monarch, would have in the natural form of government. But he can say it better than I; look at the passage in the 2nd image.
I also think Filmer’s ideas have aged better than he could have expected. Locke and others attacked him for him claim that, while there is always a legitimate monarch by descent, in practice a usurper should be obeyed. Pretty soon in my reading, I realized he was pointing to a natural law; since a royal family is typically extraordinarily fecund, after a given amount of time, they are the LEGITIMATE rulers, as their progeny come to predominate. This in turn shows how an authoritarian state transforms into a monarchy, monarchy creates ethnic unity in the nation, and shows why nationalists today should favor monarchy.
Highly, highly recommended addition to your bookshelf. Read when you next have the chance.
>>711
Rousseau is, though, refreshing for speaking often of virtue, unlike his intellectual heirs. His idea of the general will is an interesting one, and I thought of it as I was reading Filmer, who strongly emphasizes the law as the monarch’s will. General will is an abstraction though; again see the quote above on what the will of a collective actually is.
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No.5092
>>5078
>First time on this board, long time authoritarian and monarchist.
Very happy to receive you, peasant.
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No.5674
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No.5759
>>13
>Dante's De Monarchia
why did he suggest that humans strive for unity?
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No.6674
While it's less a political treatise and more of a 'here's how a knight ought to be, and how this ideal will flow out into the Kingdom as a whole', I figure a bit of de Charny is a good addition to the collective library. The focus is chiefly on piety and martial ability, though some time is spent on political aspects (coloured with de Charny bantzing his contemporaries for being effeminate fops).
Two things I should note: the first part of the book is comprised of two introductions rather than the book itself, and you'll have to rotate the pdf to read it because this was the only one I could find online.
>You will never read the memoirs of Pyrrhus
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No.6761
>>319
Hobbes was a political nominalist, but otherwise a good read
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No.6866
The Power of English Kings, Robert Filmer
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A41311.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext
The Free-holders Grand Inquest, Robert Filmer
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A41303.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext
Observations concerning the original forms of gubmit, Robert Filmer
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A41307.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext
Monarchia Triumpphans, Dormer, P.
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A36358.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext
God and the King, Philips, John
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A54714.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext
Dialogue of Alliegance, John Floyd
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A01004.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext
Monarchy proved from Holy Writ, Robert Constable
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A34365.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext
A memento, L'Estrange
https://archive.org/details/mementotreatingo00lestuoft/page/n5
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No.6885
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No.6886
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No.6888
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No.6889
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No.6926
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No.6927
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No.6928
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No.6977
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No.7125
"The Deceiver Unmasked" by Charles Inglis in response to Thomas Paine. Two pages are damaged, but otherwise this is a very legible scan of the obscure text.
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No.7164
Jean Bodin's The Six Bookes of a Commonweale is recommended for the absolutist readers.
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No.7165
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No.7166
This is the best PDF for Robert Filmer's works with Patriarcha and other essentials.
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No.7167
A better PDF of maistre (yeah yeah, but maistre-poster, what do you think about Burke?)'s 'Against Rousseau'
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No.7168
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No.7170
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No.7186
I always liked this book for its title.
MENACE OF THE HERD
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No.7444
>>711
Rousseau was agrarian though so I see him as somewhat important
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No.7445
Ive heard Hobbes described as an Ethical Egoist, I mean I can see it through his idea of individuals acting for the betterment of others.
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No.7446
>>7445
>Hobbes
Try reading Jean Bodin. A bit different. He re-asserts the family as the basic unit of commonwealth was there prior to Hobbes. Jean Bodin has takes out a few of the things people dislike about Hobbes.
This is a new read for me too.
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No.7447
Wondering if any mixed economic monarchists exist or mixed economy aristocratics exist
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No.7511
>>7447
Technically the PRC became one though.
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No.7592
I was once described as Burke meets Rousseau. fucking weird.
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No.7601
>>6928
I got this, good read so far
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No.7606
>>7601
What are some of the salient points?
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No.7609
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No.7610
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No.7637
Tsar Alexander III's manifesto.
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No.7642
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No.7645
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No.7646
Another Adam Blackwood piece, but this time it's in Latin.
It's compressed and a pretty messy copy.
Against George Buchanan.
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No.7689
is Johann Gottlieb Fichte worth looking into? need a second opinion.
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No.7696
>>7694
he was a German nationalist, dunno whether he was supportive of the crown, but since he was around during the 18th century-early 19th century I'd imagine he was.
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No.7702
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No.7704
>>7702
Here is my Hobbesian collection for the Hobbes kiddo that's lurking around this board.
The last PDF is a good introduction read to Hobbes. It's just an academic interpretation. It's only 20 pages or so.
>pic related
Here is Hobbes making it clear that the King is literally 'The People'. I don't think this board has a brilliant consensus on social contract, but here's where Hobbes is sometimes useful. Ever have a nationalist tell you that 'the monarch has not the national interest in mind?' – Just pull a Hobbes and say 'The King -IS- the national interest.' Btfo with reason, facts, and logic.
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No.7707
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No.7708
>>7707
ty, I was looking for that.
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No.7716
>>7704
I've read Strauss' interpretation several months ago.
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No.7721
>>7716
That's okay too. He's the fellow who said Hobbes is just reformed Aristotle. But the PDF at the last makes a few points to the contrary, but overall I still reference Strauss' point a bit.
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No.7832
What does everyone think of Anthony M Ludovici 's other works?
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No.8000
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No.8008
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No.8198
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No.8292
Sacro-sancta Regum Majestas:OR THE SACRED and ROYAL Prerogative OF Christian Kings. Wherein Sovereignty is by Holy Scriptures, Reverend Antiquity, and sound Reason asserted, by discussing of five Questions. AND The Puritanical, Jesuitical, Antimonarchical Grounds are disproved, and the untruth and weakness of their new-devised-State-principles are discovered.
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A50351.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext
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No.8504
people say my writings are anarchist, but I dunno, you be the judge. I've been compared to Nietzsche, Derrida, Marcuse, Foucault, and Ted K.
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No.8505
>>8504
same anon but I identify with the house of Stuart since my mom's family are Jacobites.
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No.8506
>>8008
nice anti-Americanism
/sarcasm
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No.8508
Limited time (30 days):
Jean Bodin's Six Books of Commonwealth
A whole whopping 800 pages.
https://uploadfiles.io/ekk4nl30
The file size is too big to upload.
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No.8868
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No.8869
don't mind me, just using this thread as relatively stable imagehosting
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No.8922
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No.8926
>>8922
Most recent edition now
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