No.13495 [Last50 Posts]
are you a leftist? im in a fb group about my disorder and there are almost all leftists
why?
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No.13501
They're attracted to anything they can use to claim victimhood.
What's your disorder?
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No.13502
>>13501
im schizotypal and i hate sjw pussies
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No.13509
>>13501
High functioning autist.
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No.13515
>>13495
OP, I bet you half of those people don't even suffer from any disorders. Its just their special snowflake bullshit
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No.13516
>>13515
you are probably right heh
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No.13518
>>13515
You're absolutely right. It fits the narrative because unlike feeling like a failure after actually trying so hard, which tend to be more conservatives, people with disorders that align with liberalism have also lived a life of feeling hopeless and victimized, and that nothing can necessarily change what they are "stuck" with.
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No.13528
Yes.
On one hand, it's facebook and everyone is a self diagnosed moron on facebook, from like, what I've seen when other people log in, I don't use it.
Also because if you believe the entire societal order is rotten to the core, you ain't gonna last long without getting fucked up somehow or addicted to some sort of hard drugs. It's the same why punk music is mostly leftist too.
>>13501
ha, real funny. It's not my fault oldschool anarchists are technically leftists. Ancaps a shit they don't even remove hierarchy.
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No.13529
>>13528
I haven't been on this board in ages since it slowed down. Should I use a flag or not use a flag, I'd rather "fire and forget" than take it on or off depending on the content of the post.
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No.13534
>>13528
because hierarchy is sometimes good if it is natural and voluntary
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No.13538
>>13534
With a sufficiently educated lower class, that hierarchy will cease to be voluntary, they'll recognize the contractions inherent in the system, the coercion, and the surplus skimming for what they are.
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No.13539
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No.13540
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No.13542
>>13540
Citation for what? That an educated population will have a better understanding of class based society and wish to free themselves from it, or what the problems with class based society tend to be? The first is in its own sentence, the second I guess What is Property? Does a good job explaining the problems with capitalist property relations, Conquest of Bread on the necessity of traditional anarchism, and maaaaybe Wage Labour and Capital
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No.13551
>>13542
classes are spooks
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No.13552
>>13551
>literally retarded
nice try though
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No.13553
>>13551
Good thing none of those books were written by Stirner then, huh?
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No.13556
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No.13558
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No.13562
>2016
>class based society
are you still living in industrial era?
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No.13592
>>13562
It's not like the changes industrialization brought have worn off because we got better at it. Besides, classes have been around well before the industrial revolution.
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No.13593
>>13592
classes are not real they are only in your mind
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No.13594
>>13593
No they're a description of our property relations.
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No.13599
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No.13602
>>13594
personal/private property is an arbitrary distinction and I've never met a leftist that make an effective case for it.
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No.13616
>>13599
One class is defined by ownership over the productive forces of society, the other is defined by not owning them and needing to sell their labour.
>>13602
Private property needs to be enforced through rule of law since it's property you're not using while others are.
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No.13620
>>13616
nope
every human is a productive force of society (human capital)
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No.13622
>>13620
I'm talking the property essential for mass production. Factories, farms, land, and such.
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No.13623
>>13616
If it was slavery you'd have a case for the factory being the rightful property of the workers, but they're renting out their human capital in exchange for money. You can babble about muh surplus value and muh exploitation, but there's nothing stopping the workers from pooling their funds, buying their own MoP, and starting a co-op.
>>13622
Almost anything can be capital. Got a pair of scissors? Cut hair for a living. Got an kitchen and some extra furniture? Open a restaurant. Don't even have any of those? Guess what, you can walk dogs or babysit.
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No.13625
>>13623
co-ops still aren't good enough. We have to consider what production is being used for, if you insist we ignore the lion's share going towards unproductive people, then just the fact that almost all the production is spent for profit, things are overproduced, destroyed, and there are many people lacking their basic needs, a reasonable system to desire to live within would be a system that uses the productive forces of society for the well-being of all, rather than the profit of a few.
Star Trek though.
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No.13626
>>13495
The (un)official /mental/ skype group is more right-leaning if you're into that kind of thing.
By no means is there a group consensus, and that's the great thing, even if we get into heated arguments.
But honestly we're fucking sick of cultural marxist identity politics, trying to appropriate and capitalise on our illnesses as "identities" in order to co-opt us into their agenda.
It's just not on.
Pic not entirely related.
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No.13629
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>>13625
People forced to live without basic necessities isn't a failure of the market when it's caused by government regulations.
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No.13631
>>13622
>today services are predominant field of economics, not production you fucking marxist scum. it is not industrial era any more wake up hobosexual
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No.13632
>>13631
it shouldn't have been greentexted btw
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No.13633
>>13625
>the lion's share going towards unproductive people
so why companies with wealthy bosses are present on free market? other company would outcompete them by investing into innovations protip: bosses are working just as labourers
>there are many people lacking their basic needs
because of pronatalism and socialism
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No.13635
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>>13629
It is when it's the result of our production not being used for the well-being of all. This means everyone, something capitalism isn't meant to do.
>>13631
Production is still production though, it's still where our production is, it's what produces things. When talking about the service industry, the services they are providing can be seen as being produced by them.
>everyone further left of me is a marxist meme
>it being past the industrial era means anything at all
>>13633
>so why companies with wealthy bosses are present on free market?
What? I think I understand this, and, because the boss is that unproductive person I was talking about. If he were doing anything truly productive, he would be getting paid to do it by the owner of that property which would make that other guy the boss.
protip: any "work" most of the ultra-rich do, they either made up or is only useful because capitalism makes it useful and isn't purely useful for the creation and distribution of commodities, which still shouldn't earn them the lion's share of what other people did.
You can't get rid of the exploitation of capitalism through competition within capitalism, it's necessary for the system to function.
>because of […] socialism
>there is socialism in every country right now or socialism can be blamed for those lacking in capitalist countries right now
Maybe when plenty don't have their needs met, you should blame this on the situation they live in, not a proposed situation that they don't live in.
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No.13636
>>13635
spotted the /leftypol/ insurgent
you people are becoming about as pernicious as stormcunts these days, it's kinda sad to see the ranks of the retard crusaders swell.
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No.13637
>>13636
>thread topic as "are any of you leftists?"
>I am and of course I would know about my own theory
>insurgent
Nigger no.
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No.13638
>>13635
>when we have real socialism™, everyone will just help each other and there won't be any wasted resources
How is this anything other than a murderous pipe dream?
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No.13639
>>13638
Well you're oversimplifying it quite a bit.
I'm not sure what makes mutual aid "murderous" in your mind maybe you've got the wrong flag on, but almost yes, resources can always be wasted accidentally or by bad luck, but in a society where competition is the best way to survive then of course it will appear natural to compete, in a society where cooperation that benefits everyone involved is the best way to survive, this would begin to appear to be nature. It's already done by more animals than private property. Actually I think all animals use their territory, if any don't I doubt they take mandatory tributes from the animals who use the land they claimed but don't use.
>real socialism™
oi read a fookin book. Your type keeps calling places with private property and capital accumulation socialism when that can never be the case.
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No.13642
>>13639
Socialist regimes killed 100 million in the 20th century. Sounds pretty murderous to me.
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No.13643
>>13635
>It is when it's the result of our production
>our
it is not ours
>Production is still production though
but it is not important any more
> the services they are providing can be seen as being produced by them.
this supports my thesis that everyone is a producer
>any "work" most of the ultra-rich do, they either made up or is only useful because capitalism makes it useful and isn't purely useful for the creation and distribution of commodities, which still shouldn't earn them the lion's share of what other people did.
it is not your money, set up a commune instead of entering other ppl's businesses
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No.13645
>>13642
Marxists you mean. boo hoo anyways, there hasn't been a country not responsible for some horror or another. Stop assuming everyone who wants to free themselves from capital must be a marxist.
>>13643
It is ours. Either as a species, or as the productive class of society.
It's still incredibly important. It's absolutely responsible today for keeping us fed, clothed, entertained, and in a home. If society stopped producing we'd be dead in a week.
No only the people directly producing that service are producing anything. This is still far from everyone. It's almost everyone and that's the point I make as an anarchist, almost everyone is being exploited by the unproductive parasite class.
>implying I want money
lolno, it's only "their" wealth because they got to write the rules. We shouldn't just accept that since things are working one way right now, that must mean it is meant to be this way forever into the future, when it wasn't even present throughout our entire history.
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No.13646
>>13645
Then who do you base your beliefs on?
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No.13649
>>13645
> there hasn't been a country not responsible for some horror or another
not countries, states
>Either as a species, or as the productive class of society.
stop classism and speciesism
>exploited by the unproductive parasite class.
they are not exploited, if a farmer wants to sell directly to customer why does not he do it? nothing stops him
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No.13654
Did we scare off our resident commie?
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No.13661
>>13495
because im lazy and i want gibsmedats
>>13502
there's a group for them?
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No.13664
>>13661
>because im lazy and i want gibsmedats
ppl are not naturally lazy, you just need to find proper job for you
>there's a group for them?
yes but majority are self-diagnosed snowflake syndrom sjw pussies
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No.13736
>>13654
>implying "scaring off" works with text
>implying somebody else couldn't just take said persons place over anyways
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No.13748
I swung right and life has never been better.
Checkmate, Dindus.
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No.13845
>>13736
Though to be more frank, I've been less and less interested in anything remotely political. This isn't really anything related to Trump, but more at how convoluted and multifaceted 21st Century politics is now. Every change or amendment or action will ruin the life of somebody else.
Politics is horrible no matter who's in power or who's changing what.
>>13664
>you just need to find a proper job for you
Maybe my job was to be an esoteric artist that barely earned a living and eventually died of malnutrition? I'm still not too 'talented' despite having around a decade of time to improve (though there isn't much incentive to improve when the only way to succeed in Art is to have more connections than "friends" on Facebook because of how saturated the Art field is – not to mention that the 'big' art resources were never available where I lived out in rural/"frontier" country).
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No.14127
>>13748
This is unfortunately true. My RSD has always fluctuated hard with leftists, but Is actually calm with people I'm SUPPOSED to hate.
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No.14167
Surprised no one has posted ole Ted kazynskie's manifesto. He breaks down the modern liberal condition pretty well. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/fc-industrial-society-and-its-future.pdf
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No.14629
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No.15148
Don't right wingers have their shit together more? In general, I mean.
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No.15150
>>15148
most altrighters have mental problems i think
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No.15151
>>15150
I'm not talking about internet attention whore, but actual people.
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No.15153
>>13495
If you're a burger, you're using the term wrong. Liberals aren't leftists, they still want private ownership of the means of production.
As for me, I'm a post-left anarchist. It's basically an anti-ideology;
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/jason-mcquinn-post-left-anarchy-leaving-the-left-behind
statism and capitalism are both shit that prevents me from being free. Every time you argue for one system you're only entrapping yourself. Everyone wants something and they see the system as a means to achieveing that goal, so why not just skip past the system and get to the goal immediately?
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No.15154
>ITT people with mental problems debate over which political opinion is the best
I personally am a "right winger", but I hate the idea of right vs left
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No.15157
>>15154
I mean, it's kiiiind of what influences society.
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No.15159
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No.15160
>>15159
Politics in general
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No.15162
>>13528
I too was once 14.
You think neopatsys don't also have your meme conception of "the whole society is bad and woe is us"?
Come one now.
Take a step back out of those political projections and focus on yourself, Anon.
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No.15175
>>15154
>I hate the idea of right vs left
imo, today's narrative is more like "centrist vs. non-centrist/"extremist"
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No.15302
Left Nationalist.
most leftpol would just lisp slurs at me and call me a fathitht
fuck em
I like Baron Ungern and Pol Pot. that's about all I can say.
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No.15303
>>15153
I'm a burger and I already know this
"no true burgerfat" huh?
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No.15366
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No.15406
I dunno. A lot of mental disorder folks tend to be right-leaning with nihilistic tendencies. They think of themselves as "based" or "redpilled" for talking shit about women, brown people, "child rapists", and pop music.
They also have elitist predispositions. If anything, these guys are playing the victim card just as bad as the SJWs.
I am high-functioing autist but I could care less for the politics. Ive learned about the pitfalls of both sides and I direct my energies on science, nature walks, porn, and work.
Fuck the "woke/redpilled" crowd. They're the right-wing praody of SJWs.
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No.15408
>>15406
I don't see anything wrong with heteropederasty but Fuck niggers, jews, capitalism and pacifists.
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No.15412
>>15408
I meant to say N-O-R-M-I-E-S, but for strange reason it changed to child rapist. Anyway, heteropederasty is a non-issue. Girls mature earlier than boys and are desperate to step up the social ladder.
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No.15414
I don't consider myself to be invested in politics, but I dislike gays, trannies and nonwhites.
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No.15468
>>15412
Heretopederasty is good. Hail Larson
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No.15469
>>13495
>>13626
Is third position socialists allowed?
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No.15472
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No.15480
>>13534
"make my profits or starve" isn't voluntary. if the tenets of "anarcho"-capitalism speak to you, fine. but as long as words have meanings it's literally not anarchism. just go with hoppian or libertarian or something.
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No.15499
>>15480
>surplus value
spotted the retard
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No.15502
>>15472
That's cool I'm gonna stay here because this isn't private property comrade and King Leopold II did nothing wrong
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No.15991
>>13501
fpbp. anything child rapists can use to appear quirky/strange/different they will. this is why they self-diagnose themselves with tons of mental disorders and brag about them as if they're a badge of honor. the same applies to leftism at this point; the majority of normalfags who are super vocal about this shit don't know anything, they're just saying these things because it gives them the feeling of going against the status quo. they haven't realized yet that everything they're saying is the 100 iq ideas that were sold to them by the government/billion dollar corporations/entertainment industry plants under the brand of Rebellion™
anyway i'm being too wordy, basically the groups of attention seeking child rapists that make up their mental illnesses and virtue signal for attention overlap.
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No.15993
Most mentally ill people are leftists since swallowing that idealogy requiries not being able to contexualize reality or having some fault so they pretend to be mental. Take Hegelian Dialectics for example it requries no logical thinking only that you have a "problem" only a thesis an anti-thesis and a "soultion". What if the thesis is founded on illogical foundations? The existance of the anti-thesis doesn't prove it and thus the soultion is
Thus cancers like cultural leninism and Leninism gets born. The Thesis "Marxism" the anti-thesis "White Civilization" and then you have the synthesis White genocide. They forget that the anti-thesis to Marxism is reality.
I'm Third-Poistion myself, National Socialist in specifics. But I'm also not mentally ill.
>inb4 why are you here?
Curious
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No.15994
>>15480
"Actually contribute to society or get nothing in return"
Sounds fair honestly
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