/loomis/ - Art Gains

You can create your own characters day one, son. They're going to look retarded but it never hurts to put some ideas down.

>>5081

Or more accurately, what skill level do I need to create my own characters that don't look like ass

>>5082

A lot of people are able to create appealing characters from a holistic design perspective even if they have very rudimentary drawing skills. The problem though is that yes you have to be good at drawing and work hard to get to the point where your drawings stop looking like shit and this is why most people give up.

You need to be at least level 9. I've heard you can get a special Ring of Proficiency by grinding near the Carbon Village and showing your drawings to the Old Man but I've never tried it.

>>5087

heh

>>5089

2, you've got a lot of work to do.

>>5090

Thought so, just making sure

>>5089

Probably better than you were yesterday

>>5094

The first image appears to be an animation frame. In animation the artist doing the line drawings (the uh…animator) often uses a set of placeholder colors to create a sort of "paint by numbers" system for the colorist. So for example the yellow hue in this instance could indicate where the colorist is supposed to put a darker shade of whatever flesh color is being used. The other pictures you've posted appear to be mimicking that coloring style but aren't animation frames, themselves.

>>5146

Go back to the late 90s where you belong

>>5150

Try Pinterest

>>5080

This is a complex problem and one I am currently struggling with, but I'll share what I've learned.

First off: you always need to practice the fundamentals. There's not a specific point after which you can stop and just focus on original creations.

Creating original characters is something you need to practice specifically, in addition to the fundamentals. Practicing fundamentals and doing studies will only give you a foundation from which to start this. You need to understand the basic forms and proportions of the human body (or whatever you're making a character of) well enough that you know how to fit them together and vary them in believable ways (to make believable faces, etc.)

It's important to try more drawing freehand and then checking afterward against reference images. If you don't exercise your brain's ability to draw its own images, its ability to do so won't develop.

I would recommend trying to make original drawings of characters, then really stopping and analyzing what went wrong (because something will go wrong), using reference photos and whatever knowledge you've accumulated. Correct your images and try again, to cement the knowledge of how things ought to look.

The key is identifying what specific skill you want to improve ("creating my own characters" is very broad and can be broken down into several smaller pieces, such as gesture from imagination, how the major forms of the body look at various angles, etc.), then think of ways to improve that.

I recommend starting with gesture, which encapsulates the entire figure into a simplified general form. Work on creating good, believable gestures from your head first. Find references to correct them.

Hope this helps.

>>5154

Thanks man, that's pretty much what i've been trying to do. I've been working on the fundamentals for a little under a year now.

I'm mainly focusing on figures and faces.

>>5264

Yeah it's fine, you really don't need a viewfinder, and ideally you get to the point where you don't need to measure with a tool to get an accurate drawing down from reference.

>>5265

Thanks, anon.

>>5264

When I read that book I made my own viewfinder and ended up never using it in my life. I guess it would've somehow helped with composition but I don't plan on finding out.

When creating a piece, I'm initially alright with it. But when I get to 3/4 of it, I start feeling unsatisfied about the piece and want to stop/start over.

Is it wise for me to stop so I can practice on the areas I need to? Or should I finish it fully and understand what I need to work on using that

>>5331

I never finish anything and I guarantee I'm worse off because of it. Force yourself to confront your weaknesses or you'll languish in the beginner thread with me for all eternity

>>5392

tbht an imageboard is objectively better for that sort of thing than a live chat is. Live chat is a huge distraction and a great way to get caught up in idle chit-chat. Not that there's anything wrong with that sort of thing in particular, but you know.

When should I consider picking up a tablet? I'm still working on my fundamentals, but it seems like a pretty handy thing to have.

>>5403

Any time you can afford one worth using (either Intuos Large or Huion Giano) is the right time.

Is the following good advice?

>Alternatively, do what I do when I need to draw something that doesn't look like shit

>Make a new 400x400 canvas

>Get reference images for what you want to draw

>And draw until you have at least 5GB of what you were drawing

>>5441

>And draw until you have at least 5GB of what you were drawing

Even if every reference image you had was exactly one megabyte in size (which they won't be), that would still be well over 5000 images.

Does that sound like good advice?

>>5392

Post more often here and you will, in turn, give people more reason to post and reply more quickly. Starting a discord or some IRC server will 1) give rise to a namefag circlejerk and 2) remove activity from the board that the discord was made for.

>>5452

Well I mean, I'm not an artist.

Isn't that how you learn? You just draw things like a million times over?

>>5454

Not exactly. You also have to look for your mistakes and try to correct them.

>>5454

Drawing is all about memory, this 5000 drawing challenge or whatever will just make you memorize them, kinda like you wrote down your lessons on sheets of paper over and over to remember them.

I really, really want to draw cake and ss. The problem is, I'm a member of a certain fandom, that would absolutely not stand for anything like that. Is there a way to have two drawing styles? Like, could I draw cake/ss on pen and paper, and my fandom stuff digitally? Could I practice drawing two different ways?

>>5525

Yes, you can have multiple artstyles, as much as your brain can handle that is.

The problem is that artstyles A and B would improve and evolve over time, and if you don't actively try to differentiate them they would eventually merge into a single artstyle.

how do i draw a benis :DD

>>5567

step 1: draw circle

step 2: draw rest of benis :DD

>>5525

Wouldn't be worth it. Your art is pretty much going to become your signature one way or another, like how Onta tried to start fresh as Doxy, the truth always comes out eventually. Ya fuckin' creep.

Any good Youtube tutorials for intoing Loomis?

More specifically any good videos/advice on training myself how to keep characters' facial/bodily proportions consistent across each drawing?

>>5644

Consistency comes with practice. Proko has one of the better explanations for some of the Loomis methods though.

>>5648

It's not so much a "bad habit" as it is plain "fucking retarded" if you consider your time at all valuable-hell, even if you don't. The only way you'll be able to draw properly with a mouse is if you use vectors and you won't be able to sketch with a mouse in either case.

>>5649

So, go get paper?

And stop drawing scratch in 400x400?

>>5651

Would lined paper be alright? Or grid paper? Or would using such measuring tools worsen my ability to learn to draw?

>>5653

Arigato sensei

>>5150

Find a torrent of Vilppu's anatomy lessons. It's the best way.

>>5804

Drawing and painting are pretty closely related, but in general drawing is considered a bit more remedial and a good place to start. If you want to do that kind of "impasto-style" painting you could find some artists that make use of that method and study what they do for some inspiration while you work things out for yourself.

Apart from the anon who kindly posted a video in the drawing thread, one guy to look into might be "Daarken" who has a lot of material on his site, he too works primarily in that manner where it's more like a traditional painting workflow.

http://enliighten.com/blog/category/tutorials/

https://vimeo.com/31184977

There's also ctrlpaint.com which is a pretty definitive point of reference for digital drawing and painting.

>>5804

So since you used me as an example, I thought I'd throw in a quick answer.

Personally I don't have too much of a problem getting into painting early but it depends on how you do it. If you don't have much of an understanding of the principals involved well it tends not to go too well but the same goes for drawing.

The way I did a lot of my learning was by doing a lot of charcoal mass-drawings (mostly figures and casts) so I could use a dry medium but still work with shapes and values as if it was paint. I should mention that I spent weeks on these drawings so it's not some quickie charcoal sketches. I also worked a lot in oils and learned a lot from that but it was based on what I had learned in charcoal. I should also mention that I did frequent pencil drawings of live models for a few years.

I would recommend reading Harold Speed's book The Practice and Science of Drawing. It also addresses your question in the book and dedicates a lot of time to it.

>>5810

Oh yeah. If someone is starting out, don't try and paint like how I did in that video. It really gives a false impression of how I work. I used that process because I had a very clear idea of how I wanted the image to be and I was comfortable enough with mass drawing that I knew I could "fix" it, no matter how ugly the beginning steps were. Better to try and work in a much cleaner way.

>>5916

You'll notice it mainly in gradients and limited palettes.

Imagine trying to add some detail in shadow. 255 colors may seem like much, but if you're trying to get some smooth gradation in shadow that range may only be something like 10-20.

It will make the most difference when applying filters though. After a few iterations of adjustment filters you'll get some really bad artifacts on 8bit.

>>5918

I guess I'm not sure; they look pretty heavy to me. Seeing as you copied the contours pretty much exactly I'm not sure what else you could try other than perhaps adding some line weight to the bottom and seeing if that does anything

>>5918

If you want them look more heavy you have to show the pull of gravity more. The additional mass you added in comparison to the ref is pretty high up. It's a balancing act. If you let them dangle too much they'll look saggy instead.

>>5918

There's no way to make it look realistic without adding more detail into it. I think you could try fix the light source. It's looks kind of dim in the illustration though.

What is the cheapest I could get a cover illustration for a book? It's not even remotely done yet so this isn't an offer of work, I'm just thinking ahead a bit. It's fantasy.

Of course the price would depend on the level of detail and how long it took to draw.

Amazon says the ideal dimensions are 2,560 x 1,600.

I would only want something simple like this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kull-Exile-Atlantis-Robert-Howard/dp/0345490177/ref=pd_sim_14_8?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=5K1DXXCFR467YGG93P9Z

basically just a tough guy with a sword in some sort of pose.

or possibly even something like this which is far more simple, and cheaper I assume.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Chronicles-Conan-Centenary/dp/0575077662/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1506961351&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=conan+hardocver

>>5958

That painterly style matches up with one of our users here, hopefully he'll drop a hint to what the going rate would be for such a thing. Fair warning, a full on painting like that could take a lot of time and a skilled artist and consequently be fairly expensive so I would already get the "cheap" idea out of your head.

>>5959

>be fairly expensive so I would already get the "cheap" idea out of your head.

i was referring to the content of the picture, not necessarily the style or level of detail that its done in.

>>5812

Not the quoted anon, but I tried reading this book two times already and can't find what the point of it is. It's just a guy talking randomly about random things.

Am I retarded?

>>5968

Not nesseserally. I think it assumes you already have some level of art education so that it's complementary but still I think it's very valuable. It can be difficult to understand a lot of the stuff and that's one reason why I and a lot of artists I know keep coming back and re-reading it. But let's take chapter 8 Line Drawing: practical. If you read it and then don't apply things like measuring and the blocking in, then yeah, you won't have gotten anything from it but if you do you should have a very very sound basis for creating a very good drawing, if only you apply it properly and correct the errors that creep in.

In the academy (generally the time before this book was written) There was a divide between those who considered line the core of art and those believing it to be mass. This books taps into that debate and by the end of it gives you a basic understanding of the two points of view. These points of view serve premises from where different types of art develop although there is always a lot of overlap. This is very important when thinking about art and that is why the beginning is focused on it so he can more easily discuss drawing in later chapters.

It isn't a step by step style book and it was never intended to be that. I think the step by step approach is somewhat shallow and I think that's why most books you find on the subject don't include it, or if they do it's to illustrate a point (or in oil painting to avoid bad things further down the line). There isn't a lot that is needed to make a decent drawing but what you do need is a basic theoretical understanding and then applying it accurately. I think this is one reason people are hesitant to approach a lot of these books because they go from "okay block it out in straight lines, then develop it further" to a discussion of fairly complicated subjects. The middle ground is really just where you need to develop your own abilities to apply the simple stuff accurately.

I also think the book helps to give you a vocabulary for art and personally that is something that I think helps us think about art and by doing so, better evaluate our own work and correct it. The book introduces a basic discussion of aesthetics by talking about unity and variation and while you could end it there, I think that dichotomy can be applied everywhere in art. Example, light effect not strong? Well probably because you have too much variation in the light-shape and need to unify it. Is the gesture stiff? Well probably because the major angles do not have enough variation between each other. So the ideas in the book don't need to end there.

>>5969

I see, I think I have to keep trying to read it slowly then. I may never get it, but I think coming back time after time is a nice plan.

I'll try to keep in mind those points while reading, it's easier understanding something if you know the end goal.

Thanks, mate.

Do any of you know of any good 3D modeling programs to start off with?

I've tried Blender, but the GUI looks like it was designed by an autist. It's obtuse for somebody like me.

>>6030

I don't think many people here specialize in 3D. I know there's Maya and Softimage XSI which might be under a different name now I don't know.

>I've tried Blender, but the GUI looks like it was designed by an autist.

In all honesty it probably was.

>>6031

The problem is many of those softwares cost money, not just $60 or anything like that, either. Maya costs about $1400 for a 12 month subscription.

>>6067

>subscription

Good God I hate that they're all using that subscription model now. At least Photoshop and Flash are relatively cheap.

You could always pirate it as well. If I can afford something for example I'll buy it but if you can't afford something what difference does it make if you pirate it or not? Unfortunately as an adult there isn't much I can honestly say I can't afford as far as the software I want goes but if you're a young guy without a job or just a barely passable one pirate for now until you can learn to use the software and pay for it when you can or when it pays for you. You know?

>>6030

Blender is designed around keyboard shortcuts. It's actually very effective if you learn to use it.

>>6067

Nobody buys those 3D programs unless they're either stupid or making big bucks with 3D work.

>>6088

Was that done digitally? And if so how did you get your line work to look that way?

>>6090

But what is the point of plum lines? Just accuracy? I mean, what I'm trying to figure out is how to internalize stuff about the human figure: proportions and landmarks, how proportions change in perspective, form, rhythm, what makes a gesture look natural, that kind of things.

>>6091

No, just a regular graphite pencil on cheap paper.

>>6092

>Just accuracy?

Plumb lines are something to internalize, they're just as valuable for observational drawing as they are for mental construction, because you can't easily construct or create from memory something you've never accurately seen, can you?

>>6093

Not sure, it sounds like hard work really. But what are some good books to learn the plumb line method?

>>6094

Copy plates from the Bargue Drawing Course. You'll find yourself using plumb lines unconsciously.

>>6126

Plumb lines and stuff like the sight-size method and grids are important for realistic portraits and figures, when you need to copy the model, but not so much for learning to draw from imagination.

I'm still a beginner but I think drawing from photos is more about learning to see and get rid of the symbol drawing syndrome.

Because we all start drawing the same way: people in the same pose, with no joints and floating in the air. That's the easiest way to represent the figure. If you're good enough but you're not in the mood, if you're tired or nervous and can't concentrate, your figures will tend to that stiff look again. For me that's the fight when it comes to drawing for comics, where you have to draw people in different situations and from different angles.

>>6161

There's a lot on deviantart iirc but they're all shit resolutions too. Just use google and filter for a high resolution and see what happens.

where is oekaki baord?

>>6165

ayy/10

Needs more space Loomis tbh fam

>>6166

This is it. All of the art boards on 8chan are pretty much dead and there's no actual oekaki board as far a I know.

>>6166

>>6167

/draw/ was it but it's so dead that it still redirects to /a/ from many months ago when all board broke.

>>6165

Dreamworks/10

>>6167

>needs more space loomis

what is space loomis and how do i get one?

>>dead bords

8chan is 99% bots and shills

what did i and you expecte?

>>6168

does /a/ even let u Oekaka?

their rules say no shitposter

shit is in the eye of the bee holder

>>6169

you can do better than that

give it your worst

ill start: ''heh is dat a alien or a poop heh

nothin personel''

why i cant oekaki N E more???

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>6171

sorry english is not first language

I JUST WANT TO OEAKAKUGI

What's the bump limit for our board anyway?

>>6182

350 I think

How many times should I do the Keys to Drawing exercises?

And how much time should I spend doing the first chapter of How to Draw before moving to following chapters?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9WiyvRe1A0#t=2m24s - link to skip the intro and unrelated content

>>6182

>>6183

The bump limit is 300

https://8ch.net/settings.php?board=loomis

ctrl-f "reply_limit"

Also, Loomis BO please enable oekaki if you can, thanks

How do I spend more time drawing?

I read in Keys to Drawing most exercises require like 20-40 minutes but I can do them in 5.

Tips with this?

>>6418

Make sure to just spend time drawing from observation and imagination in addition to whatever "exercise" routine you do. This is just my personal experience as a beginner, but I think it is helpful to not force yourself to draw to much for the first 1-3 months. I'd start noticing the first signs of fatigue after about an hour of drawing, so I would just draw until then. I think this is what helped me draw everyday without any lapses. I now finding myself often doing 2 of these 1 hour sessions a day. My guess if I just stick with this for another month or two, my drawing times will likely increase again.

Some questions:

1. Is there a book more basic than Keys to Drawing? I feel like I'm too much of a noob for it. Even if it's supposed to be for absolute beginners. Drawing on the Right Side is a no go due to my lack of tools.

2. What's a good exercise to break out of my comfort zone? All this time I've drawn full body front view animeish figures. That's my comfort zone.

3.How many gestures a day are enough for practice? 100? 200? For my first day I did 30-ish or so. Of course I'm gonna do more but I don't want to do only gestures forever.-

4. How many times should the exercises on How to Draw's first chapter be done? Like, One month on that single chapter?

5.How do I achieve Tsunako's skill level (for the uninitiated, Tsunako is the character designer from the Hyperdimension Neptunia series).

6.What's a good way to expand my visual memory of clothing? I feel like I can only draw 3 different outfits and that's it.

>>6553

>Is there a book more basic than Keys to Drawing? I feel like I'm too much of a noob for it. Even if it's supposed to be for absolute beginners. Drawing on the Right Side is a no go due to my lack of tools.

You only have to do the first couple of pre-tool exercises in DonRSotB (whew) to "get it" tbh; let that inform you of how to draw from observation from that point forward.

>What's a good exercise to break out of my comfort zone? All this time I've drawn full body front view animeish figures. That's my comfort zone.

Gotta try drawing something else nigga

>How many gestures a day are enough for practice? 100? 200? For my first day I did 30-ish or so

I'd say doing like 60 is good. Don't burn yourself out.

>How do I achieve Tsunako's skill level (for the uninitiated, Tsunako is the character designer from the Hyperdimension Neptunia series).

I don't know, the "How to Draw Manga" books are unironically based af tho tbh fam

>What's a good way to expand my visual memory of clothing? I feel like I can only draw 3 different outfits and that's it.

Draw the outfits in fashion magazines or books with that theme. I think there's a "Shoujo Fashion" book in the resource hub's Mega file under references

Someone redpill me on the way of progressing in art.

Like, I've been doing Keys to Drawing but feel that it's too advanced for me. I jumped to How to Draw and it's making me feel like a brainlet.

Some other people told me that I should focus on doing shapes.

what should I do?

>>6420

>>6427

>>6554

Thanks, all of you.

Is it bad to jerk off to your own lewd drawings?

>>6607

Absolutely not

>>6616

If I knew how to color worth a damn myself I'd tell you. Sorry bud.

How do you learn anatomy

I copy everything I see in the books.

but then after I look at illustrations/animu and they don't look the same as I saw in the books.

I don't fucking get it at all

>>6661

You also have to look at anatomy with skin and fat over it, my nigga

>>6661

In anatomy charts you generally only see muscle and bone. It always looks different once there's actual skin over top. I suggest looking up some of Proko's tutorials. I've found them helpful.

>>6693

Gurochan? :^)

Does any one have any advice on improving their networking skills?

I'm very abrasiveness. I like to get shit done and I don't much care how people think of me as long as what needs to be done is done. You know the old man who doesn't take shit from any one and sits on his porch swinging his beer? Basically where I am due to a difficult life. I tend to see the negatives and find ways to fix them rather than the positives and rewarding people for doing a good job. The good is fine so doesn't need to be focused on, the bad needs attention because it needs fixing to put it mildly.

I'd like to improve my people skills and my ability to network. I find I clash hard with most communities and while it doesn't bother me, it's not going to help me improve in my art.

How the fuck do I hide my power level?

>>6693

Holy shit i hate that jack the ripper loli so much i wanna hate fuck her tight loli pussy and then i'd proceed to make sweet love to her in the missionary possition for the purpose of procreation

>>6705

Also, pic related is how I hold the pen/pencil.

>>6709

This is interesting. I've discovered alot of these points myself. One different thing I sometimes do is "point" my fingers at the tip of my pencil. I mentally then am able to draw with the tips of my fingers. Feels like a more direct connection between my mind a pencil tip.

>>6710

Yeah you're more or less talking out your ass, dude.

It's fine, you're uninformed and you'll understand what we're talking about once you start practicing.

>>6714

Different people find different things work for them. The moment you say "there is only this ONE school of thought and everything else is bullshit" you're becoming a fanboy and losing new avenues to explore.

As someone who has painted for 20 years now I can't tell you a single magical technique that works for everyone in any area of it. What works for someone works for them and if it's getting the results they want then it's getting the results.

>>6717

Who pissed in your cornflakes?

The video fucking shows multiple grips, and expresses the same sentiment.

>>6721

Not him tbh but you started it lmoa

>>6721

>Be an asshole

>Someone tells you to stop being an asshole if the guy is getting results

>Immediately turns on the victim complex in how someone being mean to him

Fuck off mate.

Hey, newfag to /loomis/ here.

So i'm going to start trying to put a lot more stock into improving my work, but I actually had a question about the loomis books

They seem like a very "western" approach to learning how to draw, but am I wrong about that? Are the loomis books as known by eastern artists as here? I don't want this to be taken as "well i onli want 2 lurn anime", because I'm going to read the books anyways ofc, I was just wondering if these books are just as westernized as they feel.

>>6786

Are you asking if you should read it if you want to draw manga/doujinshi?

>>6786

Of course they're western, Andrew Loomis was an American illustrator working in the early 1900's. Loomis method is popular in the east as well

http://booklog.jp/tag/%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E6%8A%80%E6%B3%95?page=2&sort=rating&display=list

Whats a good source for how to simply represent the basic shapes of the body to get proportions right at the earliest stage of the drawing? The way that I usually sketch doesnt work well for wonky angles, like looking down on characters.

>>6789

I see- so I was looking at it wrong- he's western yes, but with a global appeal. Okay that's good- I was just curious before i dove in

>>6786

>>6803

So loomis would fit into a very narrow category. It is very American and doesn't really follow what we can call the tradition of representational, western (primarily European) art up to that point. I think your intuitions are somewhat right in that there is a certain cultural feel to what he does and I think it just comes from him not being an artist as much as he was an illustrator in America, in the 30's and 40's. It's like Rockwell, he has the same feel where you can tell he is American and that he fits into a very narrow historical and cultural context.

There are very good art books that don't sit in that very narrow genre and have a very broad appeal. One example I often recommend (yet few seem to take the time to read…) is The Practice and Science of Drawing by Harold Speed. Link here if you just want a quick look at it http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14264/14264-h/14264-h.htm It's very different from Loomis and it's aimed at a much more traditional kind of artist (sort of semi academic art).

>>6813

Thanks for the link; the one I found on archive.org (I think) had a lot of pages that weren't scanned properly

>>5080

absolute beginner here

with what book i start?

The Natural Way to Draw - Kimon Nicolaïdes

Keys to Drawing - Bert Dodson

Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain

Or just i start with the three books at the same time?

>>6855

Start with the resource hub.

IMHO the best book to really understand the process itself is DOTRSOTB, but it's not really necessary to read all or most of the book, just the first chapters and exercises.

>>6856

>IMHO

>DOTRSOTB

can you explain these acronym please?

>>6860

>IMHO

In My Humble Opinion

>DOTRSOTB

Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain

>>6861

thanks and sorry

the english is not my first language

>>6964

That depends, can you post your drawing?

>>6967

What's your point.

>>6969

Oh I see. You're just trying to learn the neck's muscles.

I wouldn't worry about rendering yet, then.

In any case, as a guideline, the whole neck can be simplified as a cylinder, and the shadow would just follow said cylinder naturally.

Only at some points the sterncleidomastoideus can tense hard enough to cast shadow, but even when it does, the shadow is larger at the bottom of the neck, less so as it goes upwards to the ear.

Put yourself in a mirror and make some angery/faces to see what i mean.

This board might not be too active, but this isn't halfchan

>>6970

An actual answer, thanks. Reminds me of early 2000s 4chan.

>>6981

I don't have any tips for a FAG.

In all seriousness, draw skulls, draw from reference and/or trace for practice-try and put yourself inside the artist's head and consider their thought process as you do so..

>>6981

>pointy

That's because chin of your characters comes literally to a point. If you want to make them look more realistic, chin has to be at least a little bit dull, or rounded/squared in some way. Fixing the chin is one of the fixes for the "too wide" issue.

>too wide

It's because there is no room for brain. These faces need to be a little bit taller and rounded on the top. You also seem to have no knowledge of how neck connects to the head or just no skill to implement it. Minimalistic nose, tiny ears, and too short eyebrows only make it more apparent.

You need to study anatomy. If heads are something you want to work on, get the Loomis' drawing the head,face, and hands book. However, it assumes that you understand and can implement at least a little bit of perspective, which is also something you need to work on. Pencil/stylus control is another thing you should practice as well.

You can still do stylized stuff, but just try to implement what you have learned from learning to draw realistically.

>>6964

Well when doing an anatomy study and you want to draw it in light, you better have a model or reference because otherwise you're just relying on what you think you know.

Generally, no, you don't see it. A good trick to do is to search the body part you're interested in plus "bodybuilder" or "anorexic" and you'll see the extremes of what is generally possible with the human body.

Are process videos at all useful to learn from?

>>7118

Maybe, if they're not sped up. Also, don't expect to get better by simply "watching" like you're Jeb Bush or something. You have to "do" or your going to end up an armchair artist. No one got good at basketball by watching the Harlem Globetrotters beat the Generals over and over again. You've gotta squad up and hit the court my dude.

>>8098

I don't think so. One strategy would be to use Design Doll or something similar. I don't think you can orientate the models on the fly but I'm pretty sure you can save them as images and export them onto a layer in your program of choice.

>>8098

Why not just use 3DS max / blender / etc. and make a render that you open in photoshop?

I get confused when memorizing my proportions (anime vs realism)

First realism

A 10 year old will have 3.25 heads (from head to crotch). And a highschool girl will have 4 heads.

Then in animu

A middle school girl would have 2.25 heads (again from head to crotch)

I made a chart to memorize them, placing the two figures side by side. But still my head gets full of fuck somehow. Do I just keep looking at it until it doesn't bother me anymore?

What's the fastest way to get a visual library of clothing? Is there something like a categorized resource that lists all types of clothing and it's subcategories?

>>8388

Could be a colored lead, I've got a Koh-i-Noor lead holder and you can get some interesting leads for them.

I'm just starting to try to learn how color works. Should I go with pencils, or digital? I've already tried colored pencils and everything I make looks like shit, and nothing blends well. Is digital any easier to work with?

>>8403

I don't think the leads are particularly expensive for what you get. They're THICK as hell and last for what seems like forever.

>>8408

Pencils gives you a pretty limited array of colors, so I'd say starting out with digital might be a good idea.

How do I get the motivation to actually sit down and draw? Each time I think about drawing, I think of all the shit that my hand would make and instantly think about doing something else. I have a bunch of books and some instructional videos to follow, but each time I think about it, I just stop.

How do I actually get to drawing?

How do I draw if I have very little creativity?

>>8446

There's a book about that, The war of art by Steven Pressfield. The last part is crap (you can try to make your own interpretation), but the rest of the book is useful to recognize all the tricks we use to procrastinate and find excuses to not get the work done.

>>8449

Agreed. Just lemme add something: you have to verbalize your ideas _before_ drawing anything. When you start drawing with no ideas, you tend to draw what you already know, you stay in that comfort zone and don't go beyond your limitations. Most comics and movies are made that way: first the story and then everything else.

I was wondering for some time. If you are bad at drawings hands, would it be acceptable to buy a cheap pair of gloves and draw the gloves a certain amount of times to ease you into drawing (yours or from references) hands? From my perspective it would be hitting two birds with one stone (you're drawing from life and drawing something that is the middleman between the two categories of objects and human anatomy) but there may be caveats and pitfalls that I might not be taking into consideration.

>>8459

I don't see why not. Why gloves though? is it because it has a simpler shape?

>>8488

Being a crab that complains about the success of others rather than using the successes of others to inform their own path towards it is very unbecoming. There is no rule about what you should or shouldn't draw. Yes, I would personally say that versatility is important and we should always experiment and grow etc., but if someone doesn't want to do that they are welcome to it and if they find success that way "good for them".

We all have goals with our art to be met and one way to ensure that we never meet them is to spend too much time worrying about what other people are doing instead of what we're doing. When you start old like I did you come to understand the futility of comparing yourself to others or simply complaining as if your time somehow isn't much more valuable spent elsewhere. It's just another form of procrastination, and a shitty one to boot.

ALSO I'm not saying this is you, by the way-at least not for the most part, but such a line of thought does put you at risk as far as that goes. I'm just sharing my opinion on this kind of thing because it's very common. It's much easier to criticize something (especially in a flippant way i.e. "it's shit") than it is for us to do something ourselves and as it's the path of least resistance it becomes typical for a lot of us to act more as armchair critics and commentators than artists, and while that's fully within our right to be that way, it's also very harmful for our growth.

Let other people do what they want. What they can or can't do says nothing about you or me. We want to focus on where we're at, where we're going and how we're going to get there-and that requires eliminating as many distractions as possible.

Anyone got links to Force by Michael Mattesi and/or How to Render by Scott Robertson?

>>8531

Force is in the mega under "books and articles >> animation"

https://mega.nz/#F!es1BSKQR!spODyd0iaQmMelGA2GscFw!KpFCCLia

I don't think there's one for How to Render in there, though.

>Draw portrait/object that is roughly playing-card sized on the paper

>Looks somewhat passable and consistent with current skill level

>Try to draw portrait/object large enough to take up most/all of the page

>It looks like garbage, proportions and alignments need to constantly be corrected and the finished work sucks

>Feels like losing a year's worth of progress instantly

What causes this and what the fuck are you supposed to do to fix it? Searching for answers to this online doesn't give me any relevant results.

>>8668

There are several reasons contributing to your problem. To some degree, making the picture larger increases the resolution so what previously would be filled in by "noise" now asks to be fully drawn out.

The main reason, and this has been known about drawing and painting since the start, is that it is easier to compare something small than it is to compare something large. You can use this as a rule of thumb and it will help you a lot. The problems people have in their drawings or paintings are never that the details aren't detailed enough. Rarely that the individual parts of texture are not textured enough. The problems are always about the big things. People have problems drawing the shape of the head, the distance from one ear to the other and so on. There are ways to "measure" these things but measurements should always be considered rough estimations and you should rely on your careful judgment to have the final say.

So how do we get around this? Well you're almost at the solution: we make everything smaller. Not literally smaller but we try to perceive everything as smaller. We back up from our drawing or painting and look at it from a far. All great painters did this from Velazquez to Sargent. Some painters like Sargent, and Mancini were very strict about always stepping back and looking at their subject and canvas from the same distance every time.

You'd be amazed at how far stepping back and forcing yourself back when you want to get into details will get you. Don't fight the setback of having poor judgement of big things compared to small things. Overcome it by finding a solution that takes advantage of that thing you're naturally better at.

Wheres the best starting place for someone who knows literally nothing and where do I go from there? I've looked through the resource hub here but I'm not sure where to jump off from there.

>>8690

Read Keys to Drawing or the First (two!?) chapters of "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" to unlock your ability to copy from observation. From that point forward it's primarily repetition and refinement of the basic concepts found in there. After you understand how to draw what you see, it's time to learn construction and perspective so you can draw what you can't see, essentially. Good luck.

>>8690

Learn to have fun even if you suck, this is the number one rule. Drawing should be more fun to you than video games. Start by tracing shit you like and adding some of your own things to a picture, then move on to doing your own things. Later on don't be afraid of drawing hard things because that's the only way to improve.

>>8668

This might seem like a lazy answer, but I think you just have to practice drawing things large all the time until you get used to it. Also, do what the other anon said, step back and look at your work from another POV, it's easy to miss the big picture when your face is buried in the paper.

how the fuck do you draw an uncut penis that doesn't look deformed

>>8738

Watch the climax of the 80's science fiction movie, Dune

the Industrial Form and Texture References - http://hardsurface.tumblr.com/ is an hero

>>8783

thanks

>>9389

You spend four hours a day drawing lines and circles? I sometimes do that as a warn up / trick to get myself started, but four hours? I'm going to have to agree with /ic/ here, and say the bulk of that time could be spent actually drawing something.

>>9389

yeah man just to 1 A4 size page of circles and lines as a warm up, then get started on anatomy and perspective.

>>9400

>>9395

alright

thanks

>>9673

You should absolutely be learning "traditional" drawing. It’s still the basis for what you want to do. Don’t get caught up in the meme of having to follow a giving book or using a specific technique; they’re guidance, and you really learn to draw by drawing - a lot.

That said, pixel art is discipline unto itself. That picture you posted is actually a fairly poor example of pixel art. Definitely a low detail makes it le 8 bit indie look that shows the dev had no knowledge of why old games looked like they did. Too many colors, too little of contrast between highlight, mid-range and shadow within the colors used, and that intense, smooth gradient lighting FX. Even if you have no plans to emulate an older systems graphics, I think it’s a damn good idea to study, say, the NES or Genesis or whatever’s limitations to inform your work.

TIGsource used to have some pixel artists in the art forum who knew what they were talking about and shared knowledge through tuts and shit. But I haven’t lurked there in years, so it could be completely WOKE by now. Same goes for pixelation.org.

anyone know any good videos or books that go into drawing backgrounds, but more so, the inking techniques to make a background look natural and lived in?

Also, does anyone have a good tutorial on stylized animu hair?

>>9697

I think backgrounds are just a matter of perspective and composition, the rest is just personal taste and storytelling which isn't necessarily art related. You have to think about what makes a place look lived in to draw it moreso than any kind of technique will do that for you.

One good book is "Framed Ink" which is a book about composition for sequential art.

I've set myself up to have around an hour over for focused practice every day. What's a source of good exercises that you can do in that time? I need plenty of them, its crucial that I don't have to think about what to do when I start.

I can do preparatory reading/video watching outside of it, but the hour should just be about gains.

Drawing digitally, and I think the end goal is creating a comic.

>>9701

Best thing I think you could do is gesture studies for about an hour. Go to a place like pose maniacs, or just do a bunch from imagination. Focus on pose, proportion, anatomy, form, and perspective for that hour but just shotgun it with a bunch of doodles to target your weak areas. Look at those doodles, take notes on them, and isolate your problems then do studies on what you’d like to improve.

>>9702

This also might be worth watching

>>9703

literally the worst video on art education on youtube that has over a million views and nobody questions it because they think sycra is a god when he isn't

What's a good piece of portable hardware to use for drawing/digital painting?

The iPad Pro with the pencil looks like it would be the best bet but I have never bought an Apple product before.

I've used a Surface previously but it was a complete fucking dumpster fire.

Are there any decent Android tablets?

>>9879

Depends on how many viewers based from their region that will read your comic. There's no doubt why manga is read from right to left because it's solely made for Japanese.

>>9883

But people who read manga will no doubt attempt to read it from right to left unless you tell them not to, since that's the way manga reads no matter who reads it.

>>9884

It's up to you, I personally don't care which order it is when I read manga or comic. Most viewers instinctively figure it out once they start reading it.

>>9879

I ordered the art book made by the people that produced this animated short and I was pretty pissed that it ended up being right to left. While this is somewhat different, I'd ask you to consider not being a weeaboo unless absolutely necessary (which in this case I'd say it's not). Your audience isn't going to be 37 year old Japanese virgins, you know? For the first few years you might not have an audience at all, for that matter.

>>9966

As a person that's gone so deep into the fundamentals that I'm having a hard time finding my way out, the only answer I can recommend is do both. Don't get so bogged down with academia that you never do anything with what you learn, but don't sit there mindlessly doodling forever either

>>10045

Yeah. The Internet Art Police come and get you.

>>10045

You done goofed anon, the cyberpolice will knock at your door any second.

Probably falls under fair use, but in any case it won't be a problem unless you post it around the internet with your name on it.

Does anyone have that one gook/chink video about line control?

>>10053

Peter Han's?

>>10050

>How do you deal with insomnia

By drawing anyway.

Try it. Any gains are better than no gains. One line drawn is more drawing than someone who didn't draw even a single line.

There is no escape, Anon. You have to draw every day. You won't be allowed to go to bed until you have drawn.

Follow that and you'll gain gains every day, for the rest of your life, for free.

>>10057

But if you draw the same stuff everyday from imagination you may end up with no gain at all.

>>10054

That's it, thanks.

>tfw just came up with another story I still can't draw in my second year of learning the basics

>>10060

Scott Robertson's How to Draw is really good at introducing perspective and how to create volume. Working through it first should help build a solid foundation.

>>10060

>dem "The Art of" books

Where do you get your art books?

>>10063

mega

I made a drawing thread on /b/, just to get some practice in, I am really shit, and told some anon I am trying to get better, dude gave my a mega link with all these books

Is floating hand or using your wrist/elbow for support better?

>>10084

Keep your elbow off the surface, you can use your wrist to glide though

I'm a complete beginner, any recommendations for videos/courses to watch while I'm starting? I'm a bit worried about developing bad habits/plateauing at ass level

>>10431

Without knowing your particular goals, even with the best material in the world there's no guarantee you won't be ass level for quite some time. Here's a relatively new youtube channel someone shared with me the other day that might be a lot of help though if you can power through it. It's very dry but appears to be good formal instruction to get you on the right track.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNPLX1hfy3Q8zr4eKvmhLGQ/playlists

Would like some advice; I bought a wacom pen and touch graphics tablet some time ago (CTH-460) model which I've been using for about probably a year now (on and off). I still can't draw figures yet but my straight lines have improved and I can do boxes without too much difficulty, still having issues with doing curves. I've been thinking about buying another tablet, specifically a medium sized one. I didn't do it earlier because at the time, only Wacom was available and they were expensive. Now that there's brands like Huion and others which seems to be a good alternative but I'm not sure if I'd be wasting my money again.

Has anyone been drawing on a small tablet on a 21/22 monitor? Did it make a difference buying a medium tablet? Would also be open to suggestions as to which tablet I should get.

Thanks

>>10703

If you check the tablet thread ( >>1804 ), as someone that's literally used everything I've said about all I can say as far as tablets goes. I 100% recommend an Intuos Large tablet or conversely the Huion WH 1409 v2 (new model). Those are the only two I will recommend in good conscience. The Medium Intuos is okay, but it's worse the Huion model I'd mentioned.

Are this guy's advice and exercises any good?

>>10808

He appears to be someone that is still a bit early in his own artistic journey to be teaching, that said sometimes a better artist is a worse teacher etc. and the advice he might be imparting could be originating from hands more skilled than his own.

As with anyone else you kind of have to use your own discretion when it comes to whether or not you should follow their advice.

How do I practice painting?

>>10890

By painting.

>>10893

Why do you do that? It's easier just to end my life right fucking now.

>>10904

To suffer, I guess.

I'm trying to learn how to draw with my shoulder. When I'm drawing, can I support myself with my locked wrist while letting the shoulder do all the motion, or do I have to have my entire arm in the air?

>>10929

Unless you're afraid of smearing the ink, you can support yourself with any part of the arm. I usually use my elbow and wrist for support.

>>10913

Her collar bone is wrong. It's funny how this guy can draw 900x better than me and I can still see a mistake. Feels weird.

>>10950

I'll show you a picture when I get the opportunity, but even on extremely muscular figures you can sometimes see the front plane of the bone like that, circumstantially. You might even be able to see it on yourself in your webcam or mirror.

>>10953

That's a good example, but it's still a subtle change of planes. It's still not a 90º angle like that pic.

any tips or methods to learn anatomy. I decided to use Proko's videos to learn them but I was wondering if there's an alternative method.

>>10973

By drawing instead of watching videos and tutorials. Knowing what a muscle is called doesn't do shit to help you draw it better.

>>10975

I'm watching the video to learn how to draw them.

>>10977

lol

How do I make non-kike noses?

Seems like every nose I make is a hooknose.

>>10997

Doesn't look like level 1 to me. Looks like you just need more plain old experience by drawing variety of things without half assing them, you can't draw things quickly for comics if you don't know how to draw them properly to begin with.

>what exercises should I do

I recommend "make a bigger canvas" and "use a different brush". At a proper resolution that's basically a solid 3-4 pixel wide black brush. The room for accuracy and detail disappears with the brush strokes, it's much harder to draw when you don't have the precision and space to properly reason about what you're drawing.

>>10997

have you been drawing for a year or just scribbling shit without actually learning? your lines arent straight. the lineweight doesnt vary. your perspective is off. there is nothing redeeming about this work for a year's worth of time.

what you need to do is practice drawing, not keep repeating the same mistakes. go buy sakura pigma or staedtler finer liners. pretty cheap on amazon or random office store/arts store. get some heavyweight acid and lingen free paper (hardcover coiled book from dollar store for couple dollars at most, but make sure its heavyweight to stop impressions and bleed through to other side/other pages).

Draw a line with a straight edge. Now trace it with your pen of choice. Do it like 10 times per straight line. Have short, medium and full page lines. Add some random curved lines and trace them. Practice using from the elbow and shoulder for your motions instead of just the wrist.

Next, rule out some lines like you would be learning letters in elementary school. Draw perfect circles bounded by the two lines and one edge touching the previous circle. Fill lines and pages of these. Do ellipses on angles left and right as well. Pages of them. These should be daily exercises until you can draw straight lines and make ellipses properly. When making circles, circle the same line twice. No more, no less. Eventually, you want to have both lines perfectly overlap. Beginning, youll have gaps between the lines and go outside your bounding lines. But youll get better pen control eventually. Use elbow and shoulder primarily - youve written from the wrist for years. The other muscles arent trained and are better for certain motions and straighter lines over distances.

From here, practice basic shapes with 1pt and 2pt perspective. Cubes, spheres, cones, pyramids, cylinders. Draw the 'hidden' lines behind the sides facing out. Trace your lines to vanishing points.

Everythign is made from these. You can construct anything from these basic shapes. You can practice hatching, light sources, stippling, etc on these basic shapes, too. But start small and work on these fundamentals. Practice them for 30 mins a day at the very least. These are warmups if you intend to do any other complex or 'fun' drawing. Dont do anything else if you arent committed enough to actually practice first. Eventually, you can do studies on plants, birds, insects and other simpler objects. They are all ellipses and cylinders you can block out first and then add contour lines to shape the basic shapes. If you dont know shapes, you dont know how to draw.

>>11009

so back to square one

I just noticed one of the problems I have is that my drawings are stiff as shit. How do I go about making softer poses?

>>11068

The essence of "gesture" is essentially slightly exaggerating the extremities of a pose. Make things push out a bit further, bend a bit more etc.-don't copy the contours themselves.

Truth be told a lot of something being perceived as stiff or loose is in the rendering as well.

>>11087

I personally think twitter is great, it seems like the best way to get noticed, though you have a ways to go before that will be a concern. From where you're at now it may be some years before you're able to earn an audience and any blogging you do may be more of a distraction from your artistic forward momentum than anything.

Good taste in subject though

>regards, guy that's been trying to draw for 5 years because I wanted to do Warhammer 40K fan animations

>>11087

Instagram is fine, comparatively I get more attention there than anywhere else if that's what you're looking for. Or you could have a dedicated art twitter. You can sort your art through your own tag on tumblr if you just want a place to keep all your shit without the clutter of other posts.

Take>>11088 's advice and don't hope for/expect an audience, even if you were better it doesn't guarantee people will pay attention to you. However talking to/interacting with other people helps.

>>11090

Yeah; I know very good artists with very mediocre online presences. At this >>11087 level you might get a few bots or nice people that follow anybody who draws but that's about all you can expect. It's mostly a waste of time. Get the idea of making money or even crude notoriety off of your work out of your head for a while, years even, it's best to direct your attention towards general improvement.

>>11093

>>11088

>>11089

>>11090

Thanks for the recommendations, and more importantly, thanks for the tutorials and ways I can improve. I hope I won't disappoint in time.

>>11143

I don't think he ever posted a blog but maybe he's still lurking

>>11143

It's signed Besthetz. Googling brings up his twitter, DA, HF 'n' sheit.

>>11145

I didn't see that tiny signature.

Anybody have some progression charts of books to read? I clearly remember there being a Loomis one on like start here and went down to ending on X book?

>>11206

You run a good risk of out-of-rounding the tip squeezing it with the pliers; I'd ovoid it if you can. Instead, try to find or bore a small hole in hardwood to stick it in and leverage the body to straighten it out. Good luck.

>>11211

I used to know a little.

>>11212

Do you know any good programs specifically for pixel art that are not proprietary?

>>11213

I heard good things about Graphics Gale.

>proprietary

IMHO it's best not to be autistic about that sort of thing when it has nothing to do with your works' potential of success or failure

>>11213

It's been a few years since I had the bright idea to make a videogame, so I'm not current on things. Have you checked the resources on any of those game dev sites like pixelprospector? My dickin' around never got to the animating & making big sprite sheet faze, so I just used my normal image software. [I do have Asesprite on this machine that I know I didn't pay for, though. Wonder if they were giving it away at some point. :^)]

>>11214

Graphics Gale seems to be freeware now, so … I think I might snag it m'self.

>>11209

>forget about drawing, just read these 70 books, that'll make you a good artist

>>11216

Perspective Made Easy is good and each one of those books involves drawing but I still cringe whenever I see that picture. Any learning path that starts with something like perspective in lieu of something on observational drawing is a joke

>>11215

I used to make games in love2D, and what I would do for sprites is make an image 3000 X 3000, draw it to the best of my ability, and then shrink it to 64 x 64. Even if it looked like crap when I drew it, it looked pretty good when I shrunk it down. Is there any reason not to do it this way?

Question, how could someone able to grasp such high precision and confidence in coloring light tones and dark tones based from where the light projects into the surface? For instance, coloring the hair has a lot more depth especially when you doing it in more diligent way. It gets more harder to imagine how the glitters works on certain part of the area. Is there any rules of thumb instead of just doing it through try and error from your imagination?

>>11238

https://www.proko.com/how-to-draw-hair/ is a solid break down of highlights, midtones, shadows, etc in relation to hair. Colour works the same way - your gradient will be your shadow to midtones/halftones and light.

Simplest way to consider hair is to take the sphere/egg shape of head and shade it in respect to the light source without any details - just the basic shape and no hair. The hair will have almost identical shading to the sphere with some slight curvature differences. The shadow, midtones, highlights will be pretty much the same spots with some slight variations for groups of hair/hair style.

Anyone have a working link to How to Draw by Scott Robertson? mega link is dead from other resource thread.

>>5089

is that the dude from peace walker?

anyone still have that infographic that shows the difference between short people and children?

What's a good way to learn color theory and shading?

Preferably not with those TL;DR books where a guy spends 30 pages talking about his life and his favorite movie before each bit of useful information.

where can I find images that instruct how to draw certain things? like particular artist explain how he draws that thing or something I am struggling with nipples

>>11327

I don't know why I laughed at this post, I'm sure there's something for you out there anon.

>>11321

>putting random colors into the canvas

It looks like that because you don't know what's going on in their head. Just like when you look at speedpainting, it looks like random scribbling but every stroke is probably there for a reason, a reason that came to be from years and years of experience.

>>11328

>I don't know why I laughed at this post,

"I am struggling with nipples" is just inherently funny.

>>11333

I tried google first that's why I asked.

This sheet isn't very helpful either it just looks like reference on nipple types. I am looking mostly on how to make nipples face any directions I want while looking ok. Because under certain angles it gets tricky.

As I noticed a lot of times when you think it doesn't look ok it's ok because most people wouldn't look for mistakes

>>11347

Your best bet would be IRL references. Look around softcore porn and plastic surgery websites.

https://timothykatzenmd.com/before-after/

>>11349

I tried

I know what nipples look like I just can't draw them very sexy

>>11350

Do you have any artists that draw nipples you like?

If so, look around their works, trace the pictures and try to understand what makes them so good.

>>11351

I guess it's worth a try, but I doubt copying someones style is very good

>>11352

It's not just blindly copying, but rather understanding the thought behind the drawing.

Say you wanted to draw puffy girls, then you could try tracing Zankuro's and Doxy's drawings to see how they go about doing it, like putting more fat around the bone or whatever. It's almost like you're making yourself an tutorial by the artist, except without clear instructions.

>>11350

Post your nipples already. Maybe in the drawthread?

>>11354

why would you ask that, are you gay? I don't judge but i'd rather not post my nips

>>11356

>he thinks he can get answers in the question thread for free

I guess i'll draw something later

>>11368

You need to draw from life.

>>11350

>I tried

>I know what nipples look like

Try more.

>>11368

>>11370

Like the other anon said, draw more from life.

Studying breast anatomy might also help.

what makes an anime face appear certain age?

I think children should have smaller mandible and huge eyes old characters have saggy chick and milfs with often have long faces and noses but how do I make a hot muscular 30 yo not milf face?

>>11402

Look up some images about real people who fit your criteria. Then, take some time to rummage through the infinite number of styles artists use to suit that image you are trying to perfect instead of just one. Building your mental library makes the job easier. it's the difference between making an awful cliche, or drawing a real reflection of a human being.

>>11402

Draw regular late teen-twenty animoo chicky but give her slightly smaller or weary eyes.

>>11404

>>11421

thanks

balancing faces is hard and minute differences make a lot of difference

>>11247

How to Draw: http://dl4.libgen.io/get.php?md5=5808E2C9EE29505D4772C677F08EA1F5&key=TR520K9PC18L9W7B

How to Render: http://dl4.libgen.io/get.php?md5=15F791153947632578E0C10CD00C31FC&key=ZA72GHASATWMB41X

it seems this is the most active art board on the site, it that correct?

how would you say this place compares to half /ic/?

is it okay to make your own thread for more personalized feedback?

>>11522

Thanks anon!

>>11545

I believe its the most active. I havent noticed any other here. ic is more active, but more shitters and lot less useful information and feedback. lot of 'just draw more' and other vague canned responses. you can just post in practice or draw threads. board isnt that fast. not sure how picky mods are with culling threads though.

Has anyone tried the Famous Artists Course from the Mega? I was thinking about trying it to have some kind of a structure to follow due to lacking focus.

How can I ease the transition from traditional to digital drawing?

Should I start dexterity exercises from scratch again?

I'm a poorfag and can't afford tablets with display. The inability to look at my hand while drawing has really thrown off hand-eye coordination.

>>11609

Use a stablizer. Weighted in Krita helped me. The one that gives a circle and the line doesnt start until you reach the edge (you can adjust sizes, etc). I found that the easiest way to keep straight lines (or curved/non-wobbly) and keep on track. Try to make faster strokes, too. Just map undo to the pen and keep going til you get the right curve you wanted. I liked taking line art and inking over top of it for practice on making the lines. You can do some basic straight line, figure eights and other curves as warmups if you want, but taking a brush and inking for weight practice and various curves helped me adjust the quickest.

>>11615

Its the ass cheeks tucking in. you can tell its a male based on the hips and pelvis. No junk is why you see the ass cheeks.

>>11656

thanks for the help

may good gains come to you