/loomis/ - Art Gains

>>2845

>>tfw poorfag, can't buy a tablet and have to use a mouse for lineart

What I would do in your position is stick with cheap pencils and paper to drill fundamentals. If you're using vectors it's such a slow, tedious process that you're most definitely holding back your gains if that's the only way you draw fam.

If you're that poor, consider getting a part time job (not a full time one). You could have a Huion Giano in 2 weeks and quit if you felt like it.

>i want to draw lewds for a living but i don't want my SFW art being associated with them. have to create two different drawing styles for no one notice me

I don't know if it's possible to change your artistic footprint that convincingly, I've tried. Dig this picture of Bruce Timm drawing 'teh Rei' for one example.

>"what's you're plan B if art doesn't work out?"

>>2847

Beside the vectors, i'm trying to do two things: learn to sketch and ink my drawings properly with cheap materials and adapting my hand to the mouse. Here's a study of a tiger face I'm making with the plastic rat in Adobe Illustrator.

My main job isn't going well so I already tried a part time job, fam. My boss vanished without paying me.

>I don't know if it's possible to change your artistic footprint that convincingly, I've tried. Dig this picture of Bruce Timm drawing 'teh Rei' for one example.

Yeah, I tried to do a more animu style smut to hide my realistic art but this wasn't sufficient. They had a lot of things in common.

Also, Bruce Timm is my husbando, fam. N-no homo.

>>2851

But you can always use prostitution, anon.

>tfw you don't know what to draw

>tfw you can't find time to draw everyday

>tfw too tired to draw at times

>tfw you draw something you're actually proud of and it gets no views

DA /loomis/ art ring when?

>>2845

>i want to draw lewds for a living but i don't want my SFW art being associated with them. have to create two different drawing styles for no one notice me

I feel ya, I draw "softcore" fantasy fetish stuff, but I like to do SFW stuff too when I really like the idea or being serious with the subject, fear of being distanced of viewers and potential commissioners, small and big, unable to see you with a common sense. While I had come across of normies who are okay with me drawing fantasy fetishes, which brought me a smile, but they still are a huge minority.

>>2845

>No time to draw

>No privacy to draw lewds anyway

>Can't admit to anyone I like dickgirls

FML

>>2856

Just try to sketch a bit before going to your job/college/whatever. Even little warm-ups as drawing different kinds of circles and lines helps.

If you have a art block, try to find inspiration in things you like - be it music, comics, games or anything else.

>tfw you draw something you're actually proud of and it gets no views

>DA

You probably didn't create weeb fanart or inflation. That's why.

Serious question here now: Is DA any good to use as a portfolio if you don't want just to make easy money? I see that site more as a social network than anything. Too much wapanese fan art and creepy stuff.

>>2859

While my lewds are just the usual smut you can find in hentai and porn, I still don't want to show myself to anyone.

Drawing porn - and sex itself - is a very personal subject to me and I understand very well why someone could be freaked out by it. Personally, when I see adult drawing artists acting like sluts on their Tumblrs (showing their faces with selfies while revealing their sexual tastes, etc.), I can't understand. If someone catches you, your life may be burned forever.

>>2861

When you have the time, just draw them with a tablet and hide everthing in your computer, dearie.

>>2862

>You probably didn't create weeb fanart

< But I did! I even used the most popular character among the weebs!

>Is DA any good to use as a portfolio

It's nice to use as a portfolio…

Until you get a bunch of autistic furry's with pictures of their 'furrysona' or whatever the fuck they call it with a nob in it's mouth commenting "WOW SO GREAT :O XDXDXDXD" on your profile.

Like seriously nigga, I get it. You're trying to be friendly, but where's the need for the ecks-dee-ecks-dee-ecks-dee-ecks-dee?

>>2865

I sound like a jerk here, but I meant no offense. I'm sorry. My opinions not the prostitution, tho. That was a bad joke. are serious, though.

I see Deviant Art with very bad eyes. I want to be really serious with my art and don't want clients looking down on me because I post my work in a site where the content can be really bizarre, art thief is rampant and mods can't do anything. I think some people - not you, sure, but the snobbish popular artist kind - use that site just for easy commissions and asspats.

Btw, your drawing is good. I think DA has some DB-focused groups. You can join them and see if someone views and comments in your work's page.

Also,

>When you have the time, just draw them with a tablet and hide everthing in your computer, dearie.

This is a serious tip for any NSFW artist without privacy. When you can, do everything with a tablet and hide it with your computer options.

>tfw you finally unfuck your shit and your shitty brain and get motivated

>>2845

>i want to draw lewds for a living but i don't want my SFW art being associated with them. have to create two different drawing styles for no one notice me

as long as you don't keep your loli scat guro in you professional portfolio or post it in on the same pages you use to network, you'll be fine. clients don't care.

>>2856

draw during your commute, draw during downtime at work/school, draw while you cook, draw before you go to sleep, draw your dreams when you wake up

>tfw you don't know what to draw

use idea generators, drawthreads ,spitpaint groups, art challenges, paint scenes from stories, make a poster for a movie/game/book, find something you don't know how to draw and learn draw your waifu

if you truly can't think of anything, just do life drawing.

it'll be easier to do what you want the next time you get inspired

>tfw you draw something you're actually proud of and it gets no views

post your DA faggot

>>2857

this board is slow enough that we could just do sketchbooks or challenges here

>>2862

>Personally, when I see adult drawing artists acting like sluts on their Tumblrs (showing their faces with selfies while revealing their sexual tastes, etc.), I can't understand.

This, this so much. I've been drawing some smut recently, and I almost want to network and get my name out there, see how many filthy degenerates would be willing to commission me, but as soon as I take a look around I see this kind of attitude and I'm immediately taken aback.

Also, what >>2865 said about immature ecks dee-spamming furfags is true. Makes me feel like a bunch of underage dorks are looking at my shit and it doesn't feel good. At all.

>>2873

Thanks, man. Never heard about the guy but saw Brody's Ghost somewhere before.

>>2881

Not when you live in a shitty country as mine. Dollar is strong here and $200 can be a little fortune when exchanging money.

>>2875

>this board is slow enough that we could just do sketchbooks or challenges here

A monthly challenge thread can be interesing here.

>>2883

The worst thing is those strange requests they like to put in your frontpage or gallery. Oh, the requests…

>can you make my character with three tits and six dicks being digested by a shemale giraffe?

> : D : D :D :D PLZ DRAW MY ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL RUNNING WITH SANIC AND SHADOW AND KNUCKLES X(((((((((( THKS I LUV U

>*50-paragraph instructions with a lot of crazy crap*

>>2892

>*50-paragraph instructions with a lot of crazy crap*

Tell me about it

>>2893

>"While is a stupid and shameless request, this idea doesn't look that bad on paper. Reminds me of old Disney mo…"

>watch video

>brain doesn't works for art

>I easily understand the theory but I can't do it properly

>I keep seeing people worse than me surpass me really quickly

>tfw still going but uncertain if I'll get anywhere

>>2892

>A monthly challenge thread can be interesing here.

let's do it then

there's some stuff that needs to be sorted out

>monthly or weekly? or both?

>competitive or noncompetitive?

competition has the potential to make people try harder by virtue of necessity, but people also tend to not participate in competitions if they feel too low skill to have a chance of winning if someone can win, everyone else has to lose —→ potential for salt & demotivation even though the least skilled have the most to gain by being involved. if this board is anything like /ic/, we probably have fairly disparate distribution of skill levels. if one or two people keep winning, will everyone else just give up?

>prizes or no?

i could afford to drop some dosh on this every month for a steam/amazon/psn card or something if it'll make people actually participate. alternatively that money could all be put toward a year-end grand prize like a gnomon/schoolism subscription >paying for gnomon videos

however this exacerbates the same potential problems mentioned above and also brings up questions about judging, cheating etc.

>>2911

>three drawings a week

>>2914

a monthly theme challenge for each month a la bloodsports

>http://crimsonbloodsports.blogspot.com/

& maybe weekly character/environment/hardsurface challenges or a daily spitpaint.

i think 'git gud' would be a nice theme to start with. we could add more constraints if that's too vague

>/loomis/ is too slow for anything shorter than monthly

my reasoning for sub monthly challenges is that they incentivize higher pph and thus make the board more alive, ergo more attractive to new users. the first few will probably be pretty dead, but over time they'd make the board more valuable

>want to draw

>know I will draw like shit

>no will to try getting better or even live

>don't draw

This is the software running in my head and, as I have noted lurking through numerous IBs, a gigalot of anons. There is no escape for us who can't wake up from this hell.

If you find yourself with motivation just burn it until the last drop, I don't remember the last time I could raise my pen and I don't want this shit happening with you guys.

Also, I want free lewd from you all.

I want to draw fappable animus

that's all I want

I wish gains would be more instant so I can know where I'm fucking up exactly.

Also I can't tell whether my work is paying off. I've been drawing a few sketches of photos. I'm getting more patient but still it's like one baby step for 7 hours.

not to mention I keep forgetting to do shit in terms of thinking while drawing.

I still have huge pessimistic judgments about my skills and art too, but after seeing my drawings before studying seriously, I thought today: "Anon, you worked hard and got this far. Keep going like this and you will do it, ok? Let's learn more, finish these chinese cartoons sketches and maybe make some money…".

I feel that mastering drawing must be like using a computer keyboard for the first time: beginners will only press one key for around 5 seconds or more but when they finally get used to it, their fingers are faster and type a lot of words almost automatically. The muscle memory they developed with training is what makes them to do this.

It's very arduous, indeed, but if we really want to git gud, our memory needs to be feed in many ways with lots of study and hard training. We need to read and watch /loomis/ until those pesky basics are glued inside our brains forever.

We waste a lot of precious time thinking about how our work sucks donkey balls instead of get pen, paper and start working. Drawing is pure trial and error but, well, what things in this world aren't?

Just do it. Fight yourselves. Your waifu is waiting for her hot lewds. Do it for her, nigga. Do it for her.

>>2928

>Do it for her, nigga. Do it for her.

I'm doin' it fam

no lewds though just cutes

Too much of a fag with tons of confidence issues. I know that being aware that your art isn't perfect is normal, but pretty much every time I finish a drawing I feel like my best just isn't good enough. On top of that, I choke whenever I sit down and try to learn theory for real, so most of the shit I draw feels unrealistic and ugly as fuck.

I'm probably going to be taking some paper and pencil lessons starting next month, here's hoping an actual teacher can whip my whiny ass into shape.

>>2964

I keep everything I draw, yeah.

>>2968

It's mostly because of what >>2927 said about making gains slowly. I'm an impatient faggot and whenever I think of all I have yet to learn, it feels like I'll never get to making halfway decent art.

OP is feeling new feels here.

>that feel when you love your favorite artist's style and knows that yours will never be that awesome

Errytime. Erryday.

>>2970

Please, man… Let's end our lives together.

>>3000

Do it faggot.

Just take a paper and draw some shit, then study a bit and draw better shit.

>tfw you go back and look at the previous drawings you thought were good after improving

>Still a shit artist but making about 4-6 drawings a day

>Take a walk and start thinking about stuff

>Mfw realizing that I'm slowly getting better

>Mfw realizing all the shit I've still got to learn

Drawing is a fucking journey and I'm still almost at the beginning. Where the fucking speedhacks at.

>Drawing a picture

>The results are pretty good

>Drawing the hands

>They are horrible

>Erasing and making them again

>Erasing and making them again

>Erasing and making them again

>ERASING AND MAKING THEM AGAIN

Fuck, this is the only thing separating me from my porn. Why hands have to be so hard?

>>3121

There's no speedhacks, anon. Only pain, sweat and suffering.

>finals study getting in the way of practice

>anatomy and perspective is a never ending ride

>drawn a little lewd, even made a little cash on it

>regularly get sudden worries that my porn will come back to bite me in the ass later on

>Got myself a tablet

>Aww yeah time to draw some bullshit so I can post my stuff on the Internet and get laughed at

>Oh shit

>Oh fuck what am I doing my fingers just got fucking down's syndrome

Going from paper to digital is hard

>>3140

Who's your idol (post art not just the name nerd)?

Pic related is mine (Caramelcat123) and if I become as decent as her, then my art career will be at a fair point and I can build up.

I'm already on the path of that skill level, so don't give up. Find the art style your idol is using and see similar/broken down styles they use. For example, pic 2 related is kind of an example of a similar, simplistic art style that could help gain into the more complex style.

Sorry. Forgot to spoiler my NSFW images.

>>2973

Yes, anon. Lets make this painful truth go away forever…

>>3175

It's Yeeeebis/G-shark, a hentai artist:

http://yeeeebis.tumblr.com/

His work isn't amazing or complex - he mostly draws simple cartoony animu doodles of his Original Characters Do Not Steal - but I love how cool they look. I even like his (less weird) Kemonomimi designs, and man, I really, really hate furfaggotry, be it from the west or east.

I want to have a style like his but with more detail and realism. I think Oh-Great's style (Air Gear, Tenjo Tenge, another favorite artist of mine) is more or less what i'm searching for.

>draw something

>try to go for a chibi style

>use complex anatomy

>have a really hard time doing the complex anatomy, and it doesn't fit the head

>the simple style the original artist does is too simple

>when trying to add complexity, it looks like a failed complex-chibi disaster

>whether complex or simple, can NEVER get the damn arms right no matter WHAT reference I look at

>can never quite get the legs right, but they're better than my arms

>use many reference pictures all at once to make it more confusing

>if I use one style, it's too simple

FUCK, THIS SHIT IS TOO HARD, AND IT TIRES ME THE HELL OUT.

The daily grind continues

>>3404

No, like the actual form of something.

>>>/art/5621 explained it to me a few days ago.

It's something I didn't consider until it was pointed out to me either. But if I had to explain it in my own words, forms don't need to be strictly geometric because nature itself isn't rigidly geometric.

I guess something good to think of would be like silly putty. It typically has a lot of soft forms that you can pick out, but won't immediately recognize as something.

I remember the one professor who lurks these boards explained it too once, but he wasn't using linework to suggest form so I don't think I grasped it quite the same then.

Anyway, I'm losing focus, even more so than all of that something I've taken away from this is something that I rarely ever seen discussed, but one of the best ways to learn and practice is to do something and then do it again.

>>3412

This is a question only you can answer yourself. Keep in mind that many of the people you see drawing cute pictures are very adept at realism, by necessity.

>Have no applicable skills to real life

>Incapable of working any other kind of job

>Postponed suicide in an attempt to find something to live for, via learning art and becoming artist

>If this fails I'll eventually be homeless and will have to suicide

>Multiple hours of practice a day, art skills barely improving at all, things looking abysmal, bleak

>Can't stop thinking of my impending death

There's definitely some slashed wrists in my future.

>>3432

If you kill yourself you won't be able to improve or find a way to improve.

>>3436

Already have.

>>3434

Being a pawn in someone else's sick geopolitical game won't make me happy. Neither will the broken, horrendously overpriced "education" system. I've already been in school for 20+ years and it hasn't led to anything, I'm sick of it.

>>3435

>You HAVE to love drawing. You absolutely do.

Then I may as well kill myself now. I don't enjoy anything and haven't in over 15 years. There's no enjoyment, just things I somewhat dislike, things I heavily dislike, and things I have genuine hatred for. I've tried many different things in life, they've always turned out a waste of my time and effort. I've tried therapists as well, none of them seem to know anything beyond empty platitudes and suggesting that you dope yourself up on drugs. Not to mention, I don't have the time or the money to waste.

>i want to draw lewds

I got a question about line practices on tablets and such. Is zooming in considered cheating? I find it much easier to trace over the lines when doing so, but I worry that it is doing me more harm than good.

>>3455

I intend on not zooming in and try to stick to 100% normal view. I also found out that Sai has a satbilizer setting, but it was set to very low (3) and turning it off seems to have no difference. I am gonna try practicing on 0 for a while and only switch the thing on when I actually need to.

>>3456

> Given that Peter Han (and through him, whatever teacher taught him this exercise) says to use a felt tip pin of a specific width to follow along with these exercises it actually is cheating.

I probably should have started off with paper, but I wanted to be sure to keep all my exercises so far so I can keep track of my progress and I can't do that with physical cause I got no room for paper.

> That said, dude, if I recall what tablet you're using correctly you really need something better. It's been a year now, and that tiny piece of shit is holding you back bad, I guarantee it. I was in the same boat as you, using a shitty tablet but unlike you I literally gave up for years out of frustration. You're soldiering on which is commendable, but your manual dexterity can only get so good.

I think you got me mixed up with someone else? I only started practicing the last 2 months (and only gotten serious this week). I am using a Wacom Intuos Draw. I would like one of those monitor/drawing tablet combos, but I imagine those are extremely expensive (but must be so easy to draw on).

>Many of the really good artists that use that sort of tablet (Peter Mohrbacher comes to mind) actually draw traditionally (i.e. with pencils, pens etc.), scan the piece into the computer and paint with the tablet exclusively because they can't draw lines worth dick . When a centimeter on the tablet is 10 centimeters on the monitor how could they be expected to?

I can see what you mean since you can't really watch your hands and only the little drawing curser on the screen. However I already paid for this tablet and broke/juryrigged the stylus and I got no choice but to continue trying to work with what I have. I can only hope that the stabilizer in Sai can compensate for me somewhat.

>>3505

>in less than a week get picked up by some game devs to do art for them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWXYoD7wfOs

>>3533

>>3561

>"fuck you, pay me" basis

Huh? What does that mean?

>IRL friends: "Wow anon, you're really great at drawing!"

>Go online and see other people dwarf my 'skill'

A-at least I have friends that care right?

Then why doesn't it make me feel any better?

I want off this ride…

Please.

>>3603

>>3609

>you will always find someone better than you

>you will always have things left to learn

>there will always be room for improvement

>you've ruined everything again and don't want to draw anymore

>>2944

Haha, just wanted to say you are not the only one.

>>I'm coming back after 6 months. Why did I ever stop? Feels bad not being terribly good at the thing your best at.

Also this thread is savage in a terrifying and wonderful kind of way. I think I'm getting artist ennui just reading the damn thing.

>>3635

I'm 30 and I only started drawing a few years ago. Despite the fact I'm lazy as hell and don't even come close to drawing every day there's been a lot of improvement. I feel that were I to blame the fact I'm not as good as I could be on something like my age it'd be a major cop out.

Many of the people who draw from a young age do not get to a high level either, there's really no need to be so despondent about where you're at now, just try and cultivate the interest in seeing how far you can take yourself.

With that said, if you find practice hard to tolerate and think that within a few years you should be as good or better as the artists that are among the top 5% of professionals in the world it's going to be a very up-hill battle.

I felt good feels this week.

>tfw you find the perfect book to study

>tfw you discover new artists and their amazing skills

>tfw your perception of light and shadow is getting better

>tfw your hand control is becoming decent

I still have a long way to go but I'm really happy with my results. Btw, "Drawing Realistic Textures in Pencil" is the book that i'm talking about. My shading improved thanks to it. Thanks, /ic/. You are a big life-saver when you aren't shitposting.

Link:

http://vk.com/doc-20048061_183718282?hash=c5e499b6d836a6165c&dl=a79a24bc49d2efe694

>tfw I get back into art after years of inactivity, excuses and procrastination

>tfw I realize I actually draw much better than I ever did

>tfw I realize I actually draw much better than most people on the internet and I am in fact really fucking good

Nothing but good feels here. Before, I had to make an effort to get myself to draw something, now I can't wait to pick up the pencil. It's almost an addiction, all I need is harder and harder shit to draw to raise my power level. If you haven't been drawing in a while, try it right now, you might surprise yourself.

>>3665

Don't stop, next time.

>>3714

And also the buffet might not be what you expected. Or it might be a television set. And there will always be another better buffet ahead.

I'm getting tired of this metaphor. Just practice a lot in a good way.

>loved drawing since I was like 12

>tried, practiced in bursts, failed for years

>picked up drawing easily a dozen times over the years and dropped it again due to lack of visible progress

>mfw picked it up again and realized that for some incomprehensible reason I'm vastly better than I remember being, I can draw figure from life very fucking well

>mfw since this breakthrough I've been getting better every day, visibly so

Holy fucking shit I might actually be able to be an artist like I always wanted, what the hell happened to my retarded brain?

>>3723

You're kinda like me over here >>3665

Keep it up and you'll be exactly like me.

>>3737

>>2883 here. Attention is one hell of a drug, can confirm. I've been getting better and it shows, now I can reliably get 100~200 pretend internet points on each finished drawing I post, but I still feel incredibly insecure about my art, and as soon as I'm done with a drawing I'm already thinking it's going to be fucking cringeworthy to look at.

Considering some people who are still abysmal at drawing (no offense meant, but I'm talking about drawings with no shading or illusion of volume whatsoever and using what is obviously MSPaint for their lineart) can get around 1,000 upboats just by drawing rule 34 of a popular character, it doesn't really do much to convince me I'm getting better. I've been prodding my followers god I hate that word about it lately because I'd very much rather have 10 or 20 (hell, even just 1 or 2) people tell me what they like or dislike about my art.

It makes me feel like a hopeless attention whore and it sucks.

>>3749

But that's rad, anon. Motivation is a scarce resource for a ton of artists, so harness that shit and git gud.

>can't draw to save my life

>have at least three talented natural artists in my family (not immediate family of course, though)

>also know three adults who are engineers and have to possess some degree of drawing experience for their lines of work

>brother two years younger than me has very little artistic inclination yet draws twice as well as I do and he doesn't even try

>used to enjoy drawing and coloring as a leisure activity when I was much younger

>stopped liking it as much by late into elementary school because I got shitty grades in every art class I had to take throughout my 12 years of school

>toward the end of high school, I suddenly have the desire to try it again

>buy some how-to books and can't even get past the basic circle/square stuff even after several hours

>think a little about digital art instead of traditional and figure I might be better at it since I'm pretty good with computers

>eventually buy a $350 Wacom tablet and quickly get the hang of how to use it

>still can't draw shit on it after countless hours of trying

>shelved it and haven't taken it out since

>come to terms with the fact that I can't teach myself since I have shit tier self-esteem and get pissed too easily when I fuck things up because I'm too critical of my own work

>think I'd be better off with someone professional teaching me instead

>have been out of school for nearly two years and am a full-time depressed NEET who doesn't enjoy anything

>decide to take a 10-week adult drawing course as well as a semester of a basic drawing class at a local community college

>walked away with some information on different styles and whatnot but drawing ability hasn't improved a single bit

>ended up wasting 100+ hours of my time and over $600 of my parents' hard-earned money for damn near nothing

>mfw I have all these awesome-sounding ideas in my head (awesome imo, anyway) for graphic novels, movies, comics, etc. and I can't express any of them whatsoever because they all involve the thing that I'm probably the worst at

>>3756

>draw another page of comic

>think it's okay

>friend asks if he can show me how he'd frame it

>it's leagues better than mine, and conveys what I was going for way better

>realize how shitty mine is

>want to just stop doing comic for a while and wait until I've practiced enough til I get good

>mope around for a bit

>eventually realize like 3 years from now I can do that thing where I take an old piece of art and redraw it

>still feel a little shitty, but also feel a little excited too

I feel that I just stopped liking drawing.

The other day I drew pic related and a friend told me that the drawing was done ina rush, like if there wasn't any wish to draw.

That's when it hit me. Maybe I don't like it anymore.

But at the same time, I don't wanna give up, even if I'm not doing much right now.

I'm scared that one day I will wake up and say to myself that I will stop drawing forever.

I dunno, I'm still an absolute noob. Guess part of the obstacle that stop me from practicing is doing stuff like Dynamic Sketching, that is pretty boring.

It's a thing that I should just tough it out but I can't. I don't have the will.

But even with all that, what I said before is still true. I don't wanna just drop it forever. I wanna always be able to draw a bit.

I dunno, I guess I'll just go practice for now. Wish me luck, hopefully I won't give up.

>Practicing is always a chore

>Can't make a simple face symmetrical

>Have to measure proportions with my fingers

>Everything I make looks like trash

>Look at references/tutorials, still can't get it right

>This is all just trying to draw the human body

>Haven't even touched clothing, landscapes, animals or other stuff which is all no doubt just as difficult if not more so

>Still have to drag myself out of bed to make more garbage drawings for hours every day in some vain hope that I'll improve

>Still can't make anything I want to make

>Constant anger, frustration, self-loathing and hopelessness, start to resent everything about drawing/art

>The word "draw" now makes my blood boil

>>2856

>>3793

>draw nude human bodies for anatomy/gesture/painting/whatever practice

>slap the head of a waifu from the latest otakubait anime/vidyagoma, or just a pokemon's, on them

>????

>profit!

>>3798

I'm not very good yet, as I told someone on 4chan's /ic/, I'm getting better at constructing most major anatomy from imagination, but I still have a lot of blind spots (and not only with anatomy). I'm not really depressed about my progress (or rather my lack thereof) like many of these guys, but admittedly it is tough and I do regret not starting much, much sooner.

If any of you think you're depressed now, wait until you "give up" like I had over the course of a decade or more and then try and pick it up again. It took me until a few short years ago when I was in my late 20's to realize that I wasn't smarter or more talented than anyone else and I wasn't just magically going to be a good artist whenever I felt like it as consequence.

You have to work, and work, and work, and work. You have to work often much harder than you think hard is.

for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8EnCabl29w

I think this video sort of shows how a typical pro works. It looks like he drew more during his 4 months' vacation in New Zealand than I'll probably draw in a year, and he certainly draws more than that even when he's working, and while he's a good animator, he's not even a very good illustrator.

This is for everyone.

Go back to the roots man. Why did you start drawing in the first place?

Get inspired again by looking at some great art.

Don't set expectations for what you are going to draw today, just work. Feel that accomplishment of "having worked today," instead of trying to feel accomplishment for *the thing* you have drawn today.

Maybe you'll draw a turd today, but still you can learn a lot from what you messed up. The important thing is not what you did draw, but what skills you *extracted* from that drawing today.

You'll use that skill tomorrow, and your next drawing will be a little less of a turd.

And you've just took a step in the right direction towards your goal.

You're obviously not going to go from a turd to a Michelangelo in a week, or even a year. It takes time.

Observe the seed: it is small and insignificant, but give it enough time and you start seeing a sprout. If you observe it day by day you may say: "geez, it looks like it's not growing at all."

But then all of a sudden maybe your friend comes over to your house and sees your pot: "hey man, i can't believe it, I was here just two weeks ago and there was absolutely *nothing* there, incredible."

That's how your art is. That's why when you look back at your old stuff, you cringe. Yeah, there has been progress, there has been change, even though you did not notice it in the progress.

Give that sprout even more time and it will become a beautiful tree, which will offer its scented flowers and its sweet fruit to everyone around it.

Be like the seed: start growing steadily and slowly. In the beginning you will have no "flowers and fruit" to share with other people.

Just "grind" on your own, man. When you accomplish your work for the day, think: "great, I have done my part today towards growing that beautiful tree." It's no use thinking: "dammit, today I drew a turd again. I'll never get good." Nature doesn't make leaps, it makes slow and constant progress. Everything grows steadily and surely towards its goal, towards its final development.

Of course this applies to human skills, but there is a fundamental difference between human skills and nature: nature is automatic, while we have to put WILLPOWER into our enterprises to make them happen.

And Willpower can only be generated through COMPREHENSION of the ABSOLUTE NEED to work if we want to get better and get results:

>Contemplate what will happen if you do not work today. You probably will not work tomorrow. You will not work the day after tomorrow, and the day after that, etc. If you do not water the plant, it will wilt. There will be no progress. In the end, the goal WILL NOT be met.

>Now contemplate what will happen if you DO work today, and tomorrow, and the day after that and so on. There will inevitably be progress, if the work is done right. It is inevitable. In the end, with continuous work, the end goal can be met. You will actually get good! It can be done! Others have done it before, there's no reason why you could not!

Having contemplated the two possible actions, "not to work" or "to work, here and now" choose the one which sounds more appropriate, and the one which will have the better results. It's only logical that this way one would be motivated to work, if one is passionate about what he wants to accomplish, if one has the drive.

When you force yourself and it feels like a chore, it means that you are lacking the *motive,* the *drive* for drawing.

I think many times this happens because we want to force ourselves to get better, just cause we want to make our art look good *so other people can like it.*

We have lost sight of that feeling of *drawing because it's cool and satisfying to do.*

We have lost sight of what made us want to draw in the first place.

We have now turned our passion into clockwork, into grinding because we want to get good, wanting to get good because we want to *make it into the art industry,* or *so other people can like our work.*

I don't think Leonardo Da Vinci was concerned with making progress so he could make money off of his stuff.

The Passion, the Energy, the Motivation comes first, and then maybe one can make a living out of it.

I fear that being an artist solely for the purpose of making a living out of it may kill the "soul" of your works and your passion which you love so much.

So git gud because you LOVE it.

That's my two cents boys.

>>3819

Don't be mad.

You need to learn how to learn faster.

It is comfortable to draw a thing over and over again until you get better, and yeah, the "grind" is useful, but it's slow. And it can be boring.

I think it is important to learn to observe really well, objectively, so you can eradicate symbol drawing.

The coolest feeling is when you realize you have been drawing symbolically and mechanically and you "wake up" and tell yourself: "wtf, I'm not actually observing, I'm just drawing what feels comfortable or what I THINK is right." Once you start being honest and actually seeing things the way they are, you start to get that shape correctly, you start putting that darker line there, in just the right spot, you start making small adjustments that can really turn your drawings around.

I agree, it's not a skill you learn fast. But you will also agree that painting a wall or playing a game is not as complicated as training your imagination, your hand, your eye AND YOUR MIND all at the same time.

Art really pushes your limits. It can show you who you are as a person.

And it's not about "at least I did work today," it's about "today I made a correct step towards progress."

One could spend the whole day sketching, but if he only sketches his animu girls and jerks off literally and figuratively about how good he is, but he will learn nothing, he will never get out of his "comfort zone" and try new things.

So he will not have made that "correct step towards progress" that day, although he did draw.

When you try new stuff out, it's scary. You may feel like: "eh, i'm not ready to try drawing that thing yet, I don't have the skill. It will look bad, why bother?" I know, I feel that way too. But the thing is: who cares? Nobody else is going to see that drawing anyway. Try it out. Don't fear the cringe. Embrace the cringe. Learn from the turd you just drew.

You will encounter PROBLEMS, and finding a SOLUTION to those is what will bring about PROGRESS.

For example: you try drawing a landscape for the first time, and there are trees to draw there.

Up until now, you've only drawn human figures and animu faces. You're faced with that problem: "how the hell am I going to render those trees? Do I have to draw every single tree, one by one? Do I just make a grey blob with the pencil?"

It doesn't matter: try it. You'll figure something out. Here is where that *intuitive understanding* will come to you, if you are drawing or painting mindfully, with the right mindset.

You will have learned something. Next time you draw a landscape you will have that confidence: "now I know how to draw the trees" or maybe "now I know how NOT to draw the trees."

And for some stuff you will need to do studies. "Holy crap, I can never get those forearms right on my figures, no matter how many times I try…"

This is where you need to stop and go study forearm anatomy. You lack the knowledge, obviously you cannot pull the forearms out of your ass or invent them out of thin air. You will need to look at them first, to study their structure.

"Dammit, I cannot render this kind of material…" Go study that thing.

Or read or watch something about it. You have to actively go out of your way and look for stuff. Just practicing things over and over isn't going to help you progress as fast.

I don't think drawing is a linear thing, like a math course, where you learn things in modules with a logical order… I don't know how to explain this.

In my experience, the very little experience I have, I find that observation is very important to "up your game."

When your drawing looks like shit, copy the same thing from life or from a picture, and observe it really well.

You will suddenly get it: "oh, no wonder why mine looks so crappy, I wasn't doing this thing correctly!"

It may be a shape, a shadow, a reflection, anything. When that clicks, you will see how fun learning is.

It's not hell!

>>3819

>>3830

Also, I forgot, I suggest this.

http://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/

>>3832

Hmm… Learning that is not "linear" like a math problem would be. It encompasses different things: to learn to see shapes, form, light, reflections, shadows, etc.

I don't think you can just sit down and learn that. It's a thing you've got to pick up both from drawing from life/picture and from observing everyday stuff, even when not drawing.

For example, observe in the picture how the highlights, the brightest parts, are on the beveled edges of the little cubes. That's because of the inclination of the light and the reflective properties of the surface. Each material has its own properties.

Also you can see how the space between the little cubes is very dark, that's because there is a small gap there, and the light gets trapped in there and therefore it cannot reflect out, so it's dark.

Small things like these are what you need to learn. Idk, maybe you already knew this, but it's just an example.

I don't really know how to explain it. Have you read the beginners' book about symbol drawing? Like, the very first one from the /ic/ sticky back on 4chan?

>>3837

>tfw you don't know how to help your fam in the time of need

There has got to be something going wrong somewhere…

>>3841

Yeah, I draw and follow what I was told to, but there's always the concept of me learning by myself in all those.

>do this, and that

>now you receive divine enlightment

>continue doing this and that

>and now this and that

>more divine enlightment

Can you catch what I'm saying? Even with critique it is all the same, I need to draw and receive the skill required from nothing.

When you are training to kick a ball into a goal you know excactly what you need to do, apply the force necessary to move the ball in a certain way it reaches the point you desire.

When you are learning an instrument you know what you need to do, move your fingers from here to there in a certain speed, then you condition your finger to do that.

With art you know the final art and that's literally it.

>>3819

>>3828

>>3832

>>3835

>>3842

This is where I'm at too. I don't know personally any artists either for advice, and even if I did I know I'd just be unloading on them with 'mopey-virgin' shit they wouldn't want to hear either.

>no such thing as talent just lots of work

This is what angers me to no end. I don't deny they have worked to get to the level they got, it's horseshit to deny. It's like telling a kid with some sort of congenital brittle-bone syndrome that U 2 CAN BE JUST LIKE PAYTON MANNING IF YOU JUST GET OUT OF THAT WHEELCHAIR AND WORK FAM

fuck me I'm 35

>>3757

>wanting the finished product

You're damn right. If it truly were just 'doing it because you love the process' any gallery site wouldn't even exist.

>>3842

But the final piece is still built up of components. For a figure drawing you have the gesture, then initial construction (the mannequin), anatomy and then value.

You have to buckle down on each one. I think people are getting ahead of themselves sometimes.

It would also really help if you posted your work. Hell, you're probably way better than me if you went through all the Ctrl Paint videos.

>>3844

>You're damn right. If it truly were just 'doing it because you love the process' any gallery site wouldn't even exist.

A man's gotta eat.

>>3842

Not sure what you're trying to say. Is it that you can draw yet you're unsure how to progress further? Try to explain it a bit more or show an example while pointing at the problem.

The renaissance masters spent decades experimenting to create the fundamentals to the illusion of depth and perspective in drawing. There definitely is a methodology to follow out there. Trying to follow in their footsteps is pretty damn hard, though, due to how technical it is.

>>3849

Not the poster you're replying to, but if I may?

I'm a perpetual new-drawfag who wants to into character design. Not professionally (though that was my dream around age 12-14 or so) but because I have the need to see what's in my head on paper (or the digital equivalent.) Right now, I've been 'cheating' by rendering some Poser or SL models and tracing over them because somehow, that act is pretty relaxing.

But then we get to the face. The model's face is not representative of who I think this character is, so I try to do it myself, and at that point everything breaks down. I can see that say, the eyes aren't matching each other, and if I reverse the picture it looks like this person's suffering from a genetic disorder. There may be video after video after video of 'how 2 draw an eyes,' but they don't ==feel== like they apply to ==this drawing, right now== due to spatial positioning or any number of reasons. I erase and try again, but it comes out the same - not EXACTLY the same, but just as wrong.

Sometimes when I explain this to others, I refer them to https://www.facebook.com/notes/blake-ross/aphantasia-how-it-feels-to-be-blind-in-your-mind/10156834777480504 . I'm not saying I suffer the same condition - I can kinda sorta maybe visualize a beach, though it's blurry and indistinct - but it does not translate out into what my fingers are doing no matter how much 'practice' I try to put in.

I also understand the 'start with the basics' advice - draw box after box and egg after egg, but eventually the mind just throws its hands up and says 'okay, you can do a box. Now try a bicep properly connected to the joints around it.' I can do a box, but the 'expectations vs. reality' (see ctrlpaint) battle is always lost. ALWAYS. The eye never, ever comes out right.

I'm terminally left-brained. I've been told what a smart boy I am for fixing people's autoexec.bat files for them as a kid, and I've fallen into a full time job as a phone-support monkey at almost-middle age. If I had my druthers, yes, I'd focus on this more, and work to make a living as >>3845 intimated, taking commissions for furrys drawing their sparkledogs performing sex acts while I spent my spare time developing my own characters that beat against the side of my brain begging to be let out. But I work full time now to live, can't accumulate any more debt for art school where I'd just end up sobbing like a pussy as I fail an assignment to draw a bowl full of fruit.

And all the while those DA princesses just shake their heads and say 'you're not applying yourself hard enough, there's no such thing as talent, and I worked so hard!'

>>3853

Much a I appreciate your advice, it lacks a sort of procedural detail my mind just cant' seem to process - how to commit that 'detail.' how to record it, and how to translate it into what my hand does. I don't expect you to explain it if you can't - I suspect it's that 'talent' I allude to in >>3851 and >>3844.

>>3857

You need thorough knowledge of the form of the thing you are trying to build. You will not get good by drawing it over and over again, if you do not have the basic framework of the thing your are drawing very well sorted out in your mind.

If you are trying to build a head, you need to know the nooks and crannies of the human skull.

Just drawing a thousands heads is not going to work. Or at least, it's going to be very slow.

I will tell you a little story from my own experience: when I first picked up art kind of seriously, a couple of years ago, I couldn't draw shit. Yeah I could imitate those people that do "quick poses" and shit, and it didn't look that horrible, but in my mind I was in the same place you find yourself now. What I was doing didn't make sense to me, I just wanted a series of step to follow to become good. I approached everything logically.

I was drawing those little people on papers, and they looked like shit, and I couldn't "FEEL THE POSE," the characters looked stiff, It just wasn't cutting it. "Why am I doing this? I don't understand this."

At the same time the rest of the drawing skills (observation, value, shape, etc.) weren't that good, because I didn't want to waste time grinding. So little by little I kind of quitted art, or at least, suspended it, I kept doodling every once in a while but nothing serious.

In the meantime I was also starting medical school. A few months ago I completed my first year of medical school, and obviously I learned a lot about anatomy and the human body. Of course I don't know everything yet, but I have a pretty solid understanding of the human body's forms and muscle actions now. Fuck "anatomy for artists," I am studying real anatomy for anatomists and serious biomechanics now.

Very recently I got back into drawing cause I kind of felt like it, and tried doing some sketches of people and human bodies and stuff.

My reaction was: "fuck me, those old fags were right, I CAN FEEL THE POSE NOW."

Yeah, it's obvious when you know anatomy: "ok, this goes here, like this, this is goes there like that." "No this doesn't look right… oh, no wonder, the anatomy is fucked up."

At the same time my observational skills improved these years, even If I was not drawing consistently. Because once you learn that new way of observing things around you, you can't just drop it. I carried it with me.

So I found myself better at copying from life and shading when coming back to art.

The bottom line is: this takes time, training, and knowledge. And yeah, you're not going to find a nice list of "things to do to get good" which you can just follow linearly and git gud.

Art is a personal Journey, which of course can be shared with other people, which can help you (and you can help them), but at the end of the day, it is YOU who must make those mistakes, who must gather your own experience and learn. It is a reflection of LIFE itself.

No one can make the work for you man. You're going to be "alone," yeah.

But you're also going to have your travel companions. Especially if you join places like ateliers. They will really kick your butt there and make you work, and if you keep up, you WILL get good.

That means you actually CAN get good (and not necessarily with an atelier or teacher).

So if you want to get good, just DO IT.

>>3860

No, I'm not saying you need to go to med school of course.

I mean you can JUST DO IT if you want to.

If you want to learn how to draw a human body, pick up an anatomy for artists book and learn anatomy.

Do not just READ about anatomy. Pick pictures of an arm and draw arms. From reference.

Want to learn how to drawl legs? Do that.

Want to learn to draw cubes? Google Image search: "cube" and start drawing.

There's no shortcut man. What I can suggest is trying not to put too much mind in what you do.

Do not over analyze everything.

Loosen up. Like the other anon was saying, "go with the gut feeling."

It's a real thing. You can develop it. You're probably using your intellect too much, to the detriment of your emotional-artistic side.

You can listen to peaceful music to relax, you can go out in nature, take a break from over thinking and over analyzing and worrying.

Pick up pencil and paper and just do something. I don't know. You have to love what you are doing. You have to feel satisfaction when you are able to correctly render a shape. I know it's been said before, but it's not about the "product" you are drawing, it's about the beauty you were able to express through those skills you learned.

Even if you just draw an ellipse and shade it like an egg, if you do it well and you are amazed and happy at your result, like a child would be, art will satisfy you.

Otherwise art is just a means to an end, it's just something you want to quickly sort out and learn so you can then draw animu porn and jack off, for example. That's a frustrating mindset, because you won't be able to draw that porn for a while. You need to transfer that satisfaction of having drawn a hot anime babe with cum all over her face, to the satisfaction of having shaded a cube correctly. "Oh, that looks like a nice cube, I love it."

Be like a child. Love art.

And I think that if one's goal is to draw porn and sell it, his objective is not really to be good at drawing girls, but to jerk off and make money. Where is the art in that? There is no art there, just lust and business. One is never going to get good that way.

I don't honestly know what to tell you dude, I'm trying to help.

>>3864

Yeah I know you don't have bad intentions even if you're a little edgy.

I'm not saying that drawing characters is bad, absolutely not, all I'm saying is that to reach that point you need to combine different fundamental skills.

So you might as well start liking those skills and the process of developing them. As an example:

I need to learn to render form, shape and value correctly.

You know what? I like skulls. I'm going to draw a skull. So I begin drawing skulls. I suck at skulls.

But little by little, by trying drawing them by myself from imagination, then looking at pictures of skulls, then correcting my mistakes through comparison, i learn the FORM of the skull. I can now create it better from imagination. This taught me some lessons about form and perspective.

I made progress in fundamental skills, and I did not need to draw 200 cubes and 200 cones and 200 pears to "drill" those. I just drew a shit ton of skulls, which I like doing, and that taught me a few important lessons in every area of drawing.

I needed to learn how to shade those skulls, otherwise they wouldn't look tridimensional. So while I'm drawing my skulls, I begin maybe coloring in with the side of the pencil. I notice that if I make a really dark stroke under an edge, the shape really pops up from the paper, for example. I notice that If I don't color in some area and leave it blank, it works as an highlight.

This is basic stuff, but this is how the process of learning is. Sure, the theory is necessary and good, but you will only really learn by experience, like this. Trial and error process. And you will just sort of "get it."

Yeah you won't be able to draw your characters right away, but next time you feel like drawing your character, you will have your newly acquired skills and the "end product" won't make you retch as much as it did last time. You may even be satisfied: "hey, look, I'm actually accomplishing something."

The important thing is to let go of things as soon as you draw them. Don't become attached to your drawings, as proud as you might be of them. What is important right now is the skill, not the actual thing on the paper. You should always be ready to throw away that picture of that character you just drew, and make a better one.

You should constantly have this mindset where you can just finish drawing the thing you're drawing, and then scribble on it and ruin it or throw it away or burn it. Don't become attached to your PRACTICE MATERIAL.

It's just that, practice material. Yeah it's gonna look bad, yeah it's gonna make you cringe, yeah you're going to retch. But that's good, because you see the flaws, and therefore you can correct them by working on them. Try drawing even if you suck at it. Only by making mistakes you will learn.

>>3845

Posting it would not help that much because when I draw what I want I usually draw non-realistic shit, see? That is my last drawing before I went mad again.

I need to be able to draw anything before I draw what I want, but to draw something as it is there is some kind of wall blocking it. When you draw a style you want you just do it kind of randomly, you see? You build it and it can have so many and so many errors you still get away with it.

Now when I try to do what the books actually tell me to study I just can't. See the instructions there? Study your friends.

What the flying fuck, study how? How can I even do this shit? Even if I fucking trace the drawing it will look like shit because there is something missing.

My point is: something is missing about drawing teaching. I don't deny the possibility of me being able to wake up some day and find "I GOT IT!" all over me, but this should not be something we expect form chance or anything like that.

>>3870

Actually like? No. I have a bunch of those pictures, all unfinished because I usually stop midway to practice what I'm not doing right or whatever the reason.

I did some rendering studies with various objects and all that shit and studied how light interacts with objects, difused, reflected, angles, colors, bla bla bla, so I SHOULD be able to shade, but it's more than that for some reason.

I don't know, I just feel art is not for me. I know when I just talk like that it feels like I hate it, but I really like it, that's why letting it go is just so hard for me.

>>3873

that's it fam

>>3873

>the human mind is so fucked up

You're telling me.

>>3868

>>3875

>lost the pen for my tablet

>>3897

>getting a spare pen

>losing the spare pen

>>2861

>dickgirls

Mine fetish is inflation. Try looking respectable with something like that; even with the best skills in the world it still looks silly.

>>3902

>>3904

I have a shitload of fetishes but thank God none of them are too extreme, if anything they all serve to complement each other and makeup for each other's weaknesses.

>>3904

Well I just mean how do you get titillated by something like that to begin with is all. Does someone inflate balloons in front of you in a sexual way when you're very young or something? You know, like how footfags are created by parents who neglect to pick their child up off the ground and interact with them face to face, causing the child to identify as a foot in later life.

>>3905

Underrated post

>footfags are created by parents who neglect to pick their child up off the ground and interact with them face to face, causing the child to identify as a foot in later life.

>>3906

>footfags are created by parents who neglect to pick their child up off the ground and interact with them face to face, causing the child to identify as a foot in later life.

>>3916

you didn't try playing with your butthole with it did you?

>>3906

>footfags are created by parents who neglect to pick their child up off the ground and interact with them face to face, causing the child to identify as a foot in later life.

>>3906

>footfags are created by parents who neglect to pick their child up off the ground and interact with them face to face, causing the child to identify as a foot in later life.

>>3929

>>footfags are created by parents who neglect to pick their child up off the ground and interact with them face to face, causing the child to identify as a foot in later life.

>people on deviantart pay actual money to claim some shitty lineart recolor OCs of stupidass fantasy animals

>mfw creating similar but slightly different knockoffs of their claimed designs just to piss them off

It's so easy to get a rise out of them, muh OC, muh fantasy 6 legged deer that I paid for

NIGGERS! NIGGERS! NIGGERS!

Here I am mad again! NIGGERS EVERYWHERE!

Why can't people just explain this shit right here? "hurr durr u have 2 feel xD just bee urself Xd" FUCK YOU!

Gesture drawing is like seeing the future with cards, feeling mystical beings and all the shit I fucking hate.

Noone ever tried to explain this in a normal way and probably never will because it is B U L L S H I T. I'm mad.

>>3987

Nigga, I'm walking about gesture, everyone and every book says the same shit about gesture, literally E V E R Y B O O K. You can't "feel" something to learn, this is bullshit, if you cannot explain how and why you do something then it's flawled from the start.

Gesture is flawled. It may work for some people, but it flawled.

>>3995

did you draw this?

>>3997

>>3998

Easy there fellas. Just checking to see if he was who I thought he was.

The guy who told me he was above loomis drew this, and spoke in a suspiciously similar manner to this guy.

>>3980

>>3988

CSI, NIGGER

>>3997

>talking smack about Loomis

>on fucking /loomis/

>>4004

>>4002

Y-yeah, that's r-right! Whatchu gonna d-do about that? HUH?

>a year ago set out to get good enough at art to start a comic

>a bit over a year later and I'm doing just that

I'm also getting my shit together in general and it feels good, but this is a weird feeling.

Never thought I'd get to this point, but here I am.

>>4021

Why are you continuing to insist this?

It's because you know that's a load of shit, and that there is indeed a method to this madness. Why else would people be able to do it in the first place?

The problem you're having is insisting that you understand it already, when clearly you don't.

But again, I'll tell you, maybe this isn't something you should be pursuing. Because by locking yourself out of even attempting this, you're just driving yourself into a corner.

>>4024

You know, maybe I shouldn't. Probably shouldn't.

But I'm already mad. I am literally crazy. Art drove me crazy, man, I can't shake it off. I can't. I just don't know what the fuck is going on, I'm just fucking mad.

I hate it but I will be forever stuck doing this, I can't imagine my life without this shit but I still find it all a load of crap and I hate it.

I'm fucking dying, man, I don't know how much I can take but it all makes no sense what the fuck is going on.

For beginners to gesture, if you really don't get it, just download Proko's figure drawing series, watch the full gesture lesson, follow along with his gesture examples several times over several days.

Download Villpu's figure drawing tutorials, watch the full gesture lesson, follow along with his gesture examples several times over several days.

Draw at least 40 30s-2minute gestures a day for at least 3 months, that's a minimum of 20minutes per day, use pose sites like pixellovely and quickposes. By the end it should be a daily warmup habit.

If you're a beginner you may draw the most atrocious scribbly badly proportioned tat, but keep at it, because vilppu's old whispery words will eventually become clear, despite how not-scientific it may have initially felt (and there is a science behind csi, guiding the eye through the pose with curves like a river), and you'll be "FEELing" the "flow", "FEELing" the "pose", "FEELing" the "forms".

Gesture's imo just the basic scaffolding for the actual figure drawing, don't practice only gesture in isolation, you should at least have learnt/be learning observational drawing from things like Keys to Drawing and done Peter Han's dynamic sketching for line confidence and some understanding of form, ideally before you try tackling gesture.

>>4028

http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/mastering-the-art-of-letting-go

>>4029

good shit man