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Share your daily struggle with art related stuff here.
>tfw poorfag, can't buy a tablet and have to use a mouse for lineart
>i can't understand light, shadow and color for shit. trying many books
>my character poses are too stiff
>i want to draw lewds for a living but i don't want my SFW art being associated with them. have to create two different drawing styles for no one notice me
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No.3997
>>3996
I'm just too mad to write well, fuck me.
>>3994
Loomis is just a JACKIE CHAN!, he just wrote shit to get some money and people worship him, literally. LITERALLY.
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No.3998
>>3994
To be fair, literally every artists' gestures look different. Loomis actually does something akin to manikin constructions, and I don't recall if he ever actually refers to them as gestures in his book or not.
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No.3999
>>3995
did you draw this?
>>3997
>>3998
Easy there fellas. Just checking to see if he was who I thought he was.
The guy who told me he was above loomis drew this, and spoke in a suspiciously similar manner to this guy.
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No.4000
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No.4002
Wow, what's this?! Heard somebody was talking smack about our lord and savior Andrew Loomis!
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No.4003
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No.4004
>>3997
>talking smack about Loomis
>on fucking /loomis/
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No.4011
>>4004
>>4002
Y-yeah, that's r-right! Whatchu gonna d-do about that? HUH?
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No.4012
>>4003
>hey, use this!
>shows a bunch of drawings without it
Very nice. Am I blind? Is this a joke? Am I being part of some prank?
Look at the last drawing, where the fuck are the ASYMMETRICAL LINES? The fuck all that has to do with anything? All I see are bunch of lazy contours.
Hell, look at the first drawing, just a bunch of nonsense. What the flying fuck.
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No.4013
>>4012
Confirmed for not having read the pics. I'm starting to understand why you don't like books.
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No.4014
>>4013
What? I've read it, I just don't get it at all.
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No.4016
>>4014
Maybe drawing isn't for you.
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No.4017
>>4016
Yeah, probably.
That fucking feel.
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No.4018
>>4017
To be fair I don't think you're wrong per se. Everyone else is making it sound like it's so obvious but literally every artist's gesture looks completely different from another's. It really is some esoteric shit, nigga.
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No.4020
>>4012
>just a bunch of nonsense
no it isn't you rigid fuck, you just lack the capacity to intuitively understand the purpose behind each stroke. Gesture isn't meant to be mathematically precise process of measurement the construction or details; it's literally, as described in the tutorials posted by >>4003 :
>considered a framework for everything you plan to accomplish
>focus will be on communicating an idea effectively
>Distilling everything into only the essential qualities of the figure/character in front of you (or in your imagination)
>goal is to take your attention outside of drawing the figure and onto the basic mechanics that allow the figure to manifest.
I don't see how any right/left sidedness of the brain could effect how this explanation is determined.
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No.4021
>>4020
Oh, okay, I will draw the essential.
IF I KNEW WHAT THE FUCK THE ESSENTIAL WAS FUCKING FLYING COCK.
You can draw a line, I will draw a different line, some people will draw more or less lines and fuck me sideways. Just fuck my shit up.
If you need to FEEL something while learning then this is nothing but a joke.
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No.4022
>a year ago set out to get good enough at art to start a comic
>a bit over a year later and I'm doing just that
I'm also getting my shit together in general and it feels good, but this is a weird feeling.
Never thought I'd get to this point, but here I am.
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No.4023
>>4021
I'd explain gesture (as explained by Vilppu) as being nothing more than a 2d artist's "armature". In the same way that a sculptor creates a rigid structure of wires for which to place clay upon, an illustrator will quickly lay in lines, contours and forms to suggest an incomplete gestalt of a figure. You can't draw the entire figure at the same time, a gesture is a means of quickly getting a sort of "base" "footprint" of the subject in place to help guide you through the rest of the drawing process.
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No.4024
>>4021
Why are you continuing to insist this?
It's because you know that's a load of shit, and that there is indeed a method to this madness. Why else would people be able to do it in the first place?
The problem you're having is insisting that you understand it already, when clearly you don't.
But again, I'll tell you, maybe this isn't something you should be pursuing. Because by locking yourself out of even attempting this, you're just driving yourself into a corner.
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No.4025
>>4024
You know, maybe I shouldn't. Probably shouldn't.
But I'm already mad. I am literally crazy. Art drove me crazy, man, I can't shake it off. I can't. I just don't know what the fuck is going on, I'm just fucking mad.
I hate it but I will be forever stuck doing this, I can't imagine my life without this shit but I still find it all a load of crap and I hate it.
I'm fucking dying, man, I don't know how much I can take but it all makes no sense what the fuck is going on.
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No.4026
For beginners to gesture, if you really don't get it, just download Proko's figure drawing series, watch the full gesture lesson, follow along with his gesture examples several times over several days.
Download Villpu's figure drawing tutorials, watch the full gesture lesson, follow along with his gesture examples several times over several days.
Draw at least 40 30s-2minute gestures a day for at least 3 months, that's a minimum of 20minutes per day, use pose sites like pixellovely and quickposes. By the end it should be a daily warmup habit.
If you're a beginner you may draw the most atrocious scribbly badly proportioned tat, but keep at it, because vilppu's old whispery words will eventually become clear, despite how not-scientific it may have initially felt (and there is a science behind csi, guiding the eye through the pose with curves like a river), and you'll be "FEELing" the "flow", "FEELing" the "pose", "FEELing" the "forms".
Gesture's imo just the basic scaffolding for the actual figure drawing, don't practice only gesture in isolation, you should at least have learnt/be learning observational drawing from things like Keys to Drawing and done Peter Han's dynamic sketching for line confidence and some understanding of form, ideally before you try tackling gesture.
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No.4028
>tfw you're a super perfectionist and can't accept making a single mistake
>tfw you don't ever draw something from imagination because you know you'love ruin it with one mistake
>tfw you know this is keeping you from getting better
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No.4029
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No.4031
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No.4033
Okay this is how drawing usually goes for me.
Using this recent one I done as an example.
>rough linework
>not bored
>linework
>not bored
>base colours
>not bored
>do the mouth and nose tip area well annnnndd……
BORED OF THE DRAWING
>rush the rest to get it over with
>the rest looks shite in comparison
How do I not get bored?
I thought drawing things from stuff I like might help but it hasn't.
Please send help or a gun that I can kill myself with.
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No.4034
My art assignment this week is Making As Identity, which is using abstract sculptures to create some aspect of my personality. And so far I have nothing.
I've travelled through the introspective tunnels of my brain, wracked through definitions and principles of abstract art, talked to colleagues and professors, and I now have more questions then answers.
Why is there art? Is designing something that functions not sufficient enough? Do I even have an identity to seperate myself from others? Does anything have meaning?
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No.4035
>>4034
You're going to the wrong school
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No.4037
>>4034
Before you have an existential crisis, ask yourself, "What is it I have fun doing?". Then model your idea around that, as what you find fun reveals an aspect of your personality, and ought to be fun to take a crack at!
And if that doesn't work, try out some other angles. "What do I find vile", "What do I find delicious", "What do I find makes me nostalgic", "What do I find makes me anxious", "Bored", "Funny", "Baffled", "Cringe", "Comfortable", "Lazy", "Shy", "Impaitent", "Somber", and see if that helps.
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No.4038
>>4033
Do you take breaks, and how long do you spend on each of these stages?
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No.4039
>>4035
I'm starting to wonder this as well. There are life drawing clubs at my college though, I'll have to start going to those.
>>4037
That actually helped a lot, thanks!
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No.4040
>>4034
>And so far I have nothing.
Focus on your homosexuality. Or whatever other things set you apart from others. Then take those ideas and combine them into a sculpture. Researching symbolism, since incorporating relevant symbols into the sculpture can be helpful too.
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No.4041
>>4039
Does the work at your school look like this? What is your tuition? You should probably run for the hills because it's not going to get better.
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No.4077
>slacking
>feeling worse and worse
>still drawing a bit amidst this feeling
>doubting if I'm cut out for this
meanwhile
>friends are doing great and making more and more art
>one guy who I tried helping before, but he later found my methods too intimidating, is cranking out more and more better art
>he's leaving me in the dust
>all the people I know are leaving me in the dust
>normally would take this as motivation
>just feel like fucking giving up instead
There's also real life reasons for why I'm in a slump, I've basically been stuck in a house in the middle of nowhere for weeks now, with no gas or means of leaving, and the jobs I've been trying to get keep falling through. So it's not like I'm completely depressed for no reason either.
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No.4090
>>4077
>got a job
>started getting out of my slump
>things are looking up
>and then kicked out of where I lived
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No.4094
>>4077
>>4090
You gave me a feel, Anon.
Your post takes me to some time (not that long ago) when I was constantly worn out, utterly failing at studying something I didn't really care about and not having anyone to relate to, while being told to "just get my shit together". And similarly, I tried to escape from all that through art, which was so bad it could not express the quarter of the things I felt.
I'm writing in a past tense, but some things in life are never fully gone.
If at any point you'd feel like talking, then drop some means of contact ITT. Otherwise, I wish you well.
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No.4121
>>4094
Oh man, shows how much this fucked me up if I took two weeks to get back to this board, that I used to normally frequent daily.
Yeah, that's pretty much how I've been feeling about all of this lately. My art's just been feeling shittier and shittier lately, and my situation just feels inescapable.
I guess to update on that, with nowhere else to go I've had to move back in with my parents. Getting away from them was why I moved out in the first place, so you can imagine how that's turning out. The only good thing about all this is being where the art resources IRL are again (materials, live figures, etc), but at the cost of just living here again. Hopefully I'll land a job soon, even if it wont get my folks off my back, at least I'll have more money for newsprint and shit.
My discord ID is Sketch#3753, since you asked.
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No.4146
>>4121
This guy again.
Got a job.
It got them off my back, and I'm just focusing on my art. Despite their insistence that I need to shift focus, but at least now they can't hold unemployment over my head.
Also realizing some shit lately, unpleasant shit.
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No.4167
>>4025
I think I know how you feel. Art is fucking bullshit but everything else is even worse. I know I'm stuck like this until I go crazy and off myself.
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No.4170
I always wanted to draw a comic, growing up, and would draw every single day. I never really knew why I drew though, I just liked to do it.
One day, around 14 months ago, I decided that I wanted to "get serious" about drawing. This was after realizing there were just a lot of things I flat out could not do, no matter how hard I tried.
Since then, I have been practicing every single day, with the purpose of getting good enough to draw my comic.
I've wanted to do this my whole life, and when I first decided this I knew I wanted this one specific character I made to appear in it.
Since that day I've gone through many drafts, iterations, characters, etc. I've been drawing it when I've had the time to, since some time in July. This is on top of regular practice that I do every single day.
But I did it, after over a year of practicing, diligence, and gritting my teeth when I really didn't want to work on it, I fucking did it.
I got to her entrance into the comic, and now the story can really take off.
I seriously can't express the feelings I've gotten over this, I was hyped as all hell at first, but I'm in general completely overcome with a feeling of satisfaction. I'm looking back on this past year or so, and thinking
>wow, for the first time in my life, I actually stuck to something. And to top it off it's the thing I've always loved to do.
If you take away anything from this post, let it be this. Hard work and determination pays off.
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No.4185
>>4170
This guy again. I guess this thread is becoming a blog for me.
Doing fine. Got another page done. Been drawing more, and getting more ideas for the comic.
I don't care for the job I have at all, but even still I don't hate it, and having my shifts during what used to be mostly drawing hours has taught me that I'm able to draw whenever I feel like during the day.
Also my stuff has been getting more and more of a genuine reception amidst my peers. I don't want to say I'm "going somewhere" like I've got some grand delusion, but I'm definitely noticing people take more of a keen interest in me. Especially considering I'm backing up claims from a month ago and shit about the comic, with my actions.
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No.4196
>>4185
>only feel alive when drawing
>too dead inside to draw
I've sunk into another depressive episode.
Work takes all my mental energy. Haven't really drawn much of substance in the past 3 days.
I'm just sitting here staring at blank pages, and not doing anything with them.
This is shit and I hate it, I want it to pass already so I can get my shit back on track. And I pray to god it's just another depressive episode, and it's not actually being brought on by having a job now.
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No.4198
>Be a total failure of a human being
>Don't know what to do with my life
>Maybe I'm an supra intelligent autist ?
>Decide to learn how to draw
>I'm not a supra intelligent autist
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No.4207
>draw porn of my OC
>actually turns out pretty good
>can't share it with my friends, cause it'd weird them out since they have this specific image of her in mind
Maybe if I edit it to be some random girl instead of her, I could share it.
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No.4237
>>4196
This guy again.
No it really is just the job being soul sucking.
I'm managing to still practice when I can at least, and trying to not fall too behind on my comic.
I know it's melodrama, but it really does suck going through such a culture shock right now. Going from like 8 hours a day of just drawing whatever I felt like and having fun, to working so much that it's creeping into my thoughts and overtaking my OC and art as "most thought about stuff"
I need to be more resilient.
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No.4304
Just in a haze.
Not depressed, not happy, just kind of here.
I'm doing stuff, and working on things, but it doesn't really feel right, despite everything coming out fine and me doing the work I set out to.
I don't even know if I've felt this way before. I guess it's like "unpassionate" since I'm not even uninspired.
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No.4305
I think I hate the human body. It has too many parts, it comes in too many different shapes and none of it seems to have consistency and it's all impossible to get right. I really should have offed myself years ago, drawing is fucking bullshit and it always brings out the worst in me.
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No.4351
>looking over the stuff I made in 2015 and 2016
>see improvements here and there but it's still colorless characters in a white void
Anyone have any pointers to fix these problems?
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No.4373
Bumping because I'm a piece of shit.
I am such a goddamned failure. The time to have started on this half-baked "goal" of being an artist should have started decades ago and here I am, mentally torturing myself with hours of ill-conceived practice every day, churning out garbage piece after garbage piece, lying to myself repeatedly about how I'll somehow make it one day in an attempt to keep myself semi-sane and not completely depressed. I'm like a man in a sinking ship without any lifeboats, who knows that the ship is going to sink and he's going to die, but the very thought of it frightens him so much that he keeps bailing out water with a tiny bucket, even as the water is reaching up past his ankles.
It's all crap, all of it. What a fucking waste.
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No.4374
>>4373
Heh, looks like it wasn't a bump after all. Can't even express my utter failure properly.
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No.4383
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