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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.99555

can we have a book thread?

I'll get the obligatory charts out of the way

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 No.99558

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What is the best book/online course to understanding taxing schemes, laws, loopholes, etc. etc.? or should I just lurk the tax codes of the countries i am interested in?

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 No.99595

>>99555

Well, shall we talk about the last book we've read?

>>99558

Please, no thots on this board.

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 No.99603

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>>99595

Last book I finished is "The Church and The Market" by Tom Woods. It's a nice book, lots of good insights and examples to understand economics and libertarianism, but I think there wasn't enough about the church/christianity and the market, despite the title.

I liked his other book How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization more, it had a lot more insights and better arguments (should read it again).

Now I'm reading Basic Economics by Sowell, which is what I needed since my libertarian education is based on daily podcasts and lessons from the Mises Institute/Tom Woods/PFS.

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 No.99654

>>99603

Thanks, those books have interested me for a while.

The last book I've read was one by Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, about the Church and modernity. Really a collection of essays about such topics as ecumenism, abortion, economics and martyrdom. As always, very illuminating, although a lot of overlap with his over works, to the point where I think he may have copied the odd paragraph here and there. Interestingly, I also found one passage that was definitely taken from von Mises, the anecdote of how Ludwig XVI's court smelt so bad at one point that the people took detours to avoid it when taking a stroll through the city.

Not sure what book I will finish next. I'm reading the collected works of Gregory Thaumaturgus, Victorinus, The Vampire Economy, and Edward Fesers Philosophy of Mind at the moment, as well as The Constitution of Liberty, which I will finish this month or the next.

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 No.99655

>>99654

>The Vampire Economy

that's actually not a bad book. it goes good with Mises' ``The Omnipotent State``

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 No.99659

Can we have some scifi and fantasy here? It's really the best way to spread the idea of freedom, most people don't respond well to thousand page dry economic texts.

>>99595

>>99558

Have an anti-thot.

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 No.99661

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>>99659

This. There's absolutely no value in reading your hundredth economics book if you're already an educated ancap. It's mental masturbation at this point.

What's needed is interesting shit that can be recommended to others, or some self-improvement books for you to actually put your ideas to practice and influence people and actually be able to make a change in the world.

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 No.99662

>>99659

>>99661

fuck off with your traps and books for insecure men

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 No.99663

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>>99661

>There's absolutely no value in reading your hundredth economics book if you're already an educated ancap

Could you recommend some economics books besides the ones I always hear like Human Action, Power and Market, Basic Economics, Man State and Economy, Economics in One lesson etc..

I've been thinking of pic related (it's a textbook)

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 No.99664

>>99663

if you want a book on mainstream economics you could pirate the manual Economics by Nordhaus

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 No.99666

>>99555

The Communist Manifesto

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf

The Wealth of Nations

https://www.ibiblio.org/ml/libri/s/SmithA_WealthNations_p.pdf

I firmly believe everyone should read the commie manifesto (its more of a political pamphlet than a book) to get a good overview of what Marx was calling for. After reading it, I was amazed at just how many self described Marxist have no idea what Marxism actually is

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 No.99674

>>99666

satanic digits, nice. the commie manifesto shows how close america is to Marx's definition of socialism

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 No.99675

>>99664

>manual Economics by Nordhaus

the authors of that book are Keynesian……

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 No.99734

>>99659

Well, currently reading The Technician from the Polity series, and The Chosen by Ricardo Pinto. Cannot tell you if the first one is good yet, it is very interesting but I am only on page 40 or so. The second had some promising aspects, but also some literally gay shit.

The last sci-fi books I've read were Use of Weapons, and Project 731. First one was brilliant, a bit disjointed but it all came together in the end. Second one was the definition of harmless fun.

As for libertarian sci-fi, I think The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is still unbeaten. Player of Games is also very good, but more on the side of social liberalism. Still, a great indictment of tyranny. One chapter is pretty much the protagonist seeing everything bad the tyranny in the book has to offer, from street violence to literal snuff movies livestreamed to party officials. Visceral stuff, but I think illuminating. Shows very well how totalitarianism eventually begins rooting out innocence itself, and desecrating the sacred. The most horrifying aspect of almost any totalitarian system is not the mere number of victims, but the utter senselessness and perversion of it all.

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 No.99735

>>99661

>This. There's absolutely no value in reading your hundredth economics book if you're already an educated ancap. It's mental masturbation at this point.

Well, I kinda agree. I still read economics from time to time, to keep my edge up, but I know most stuff already. Don't want to teach it in a formal setting, so why should I know the details of every theory there is? It is good when others know that stuff, but I don't need it for myself. I've focused more on history and theology lately.

>What's needed is interesting shit that can be recommended to others, or some self-improvement books for you to actually put your ideas to practice and influence people and actually be able to make a change in the world.

I am writing something like that right now, in fact. A book telling people to stop being political 24/7 and fix themselves before they fix the world. I plan to write chapters on spirituality, bodily fitness, and sexuality. It's mostly because I'm so fed up with 15 year old fascists writing their first blueprint on how to fix the economy when they haven't worked a day in their lifes yet.

That said, if you read too many self-improvement books, then I begin to suspect you are insecure. Hope this isn't you. One or two of these books a year is totally fine, but when you read ten books in a row on how to build your own company by emanating an aura of masculinity, then something's probably wrong with you.

>>99666

I am currently busy with Wealth of Nations, but I only read it sporadically, because - face it - the writing sucks, and many ideas are outdated. Far from a pleasure to read. Rothbard criticized Adam Smith harshly: https://mises.org/library/adam-smith-myth

As for Marx, I've read his Manifesto, some chunk of the Capital, and his Critique of the Gotha Program. What I gathered from all of it is that Marx was incredibly inconsistent and borderline incoherent.

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 No.99751

>>99735

>That said, if you read too many self-improvement books, then I begin to suspect you are insecure. Hope this isn't you. One or two of these books a year is totally fine, but when you read ten books in a row on how to build your own company by emanating an aura of masculinity, then something's probably wrong with you.

Thanks, but honestly, I'm sorry, that is such an asshole thing to say. Being educated is insecurity? Since when? The most successful people read about one book every week, it's not insecurity, it's a routine, it's self-investment and intellectual heavy-lifting, buying a good book is literally like buying money. Your education never ends once you finish high-school or college, that is when it begins, that is when you REALLY start learning shit, it's something you have to do as long as you live. Imagine saying Arnold Schwarznegger is insecure for working out every day and lifting 300kg instead of 50, imagine calling him a try-hard, imagine walking into a gym and calling everyone there insecure, imagine saying your kids are dumb because they need to read textbooks to understand maths, imagine saying your friend is a spoiled brat and a pussy when he says he wants to start a business instead of becoming a plumber or working in a factory or something, imagine saying that ancaps are not confident in their beliefs because we read economics books all the time.

When you are the one with the most insecurities you tend to be the one to criticize the most.

I don't get why we have this culture where you're expected to "just wing it" and basically be careless about everything concerning your own life, and obviously when this shit strategy doesn't work so well, and you see someone actually being diligent, actually researching and planning and taking his shit seriously, you just reduce it to some ad-hom bullshit that even though they are doing the right thing, it's THEM themselves who are coming from the wrong place, that they, this person, is probably doing it for totally wrong reasons that are yet to discovered. Maybe it's something people learn from the media or from the Prussian education system that teaches people to be worthless losers, but it's the same crab-bucket mentality that leftists have towards rich people, or anyone who doesn't want to share everything in a filthy gulag-commune.

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 No.99755

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>>99751

Dude. Calm down. I specifically singled out SELF-HELP BOOKS. If you read too many of those, I think something's wrong with you.

It's hard to read too many books. Myself, I read between one and two a week.

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 No.99771

>>99662

That was a genuine futa my friend, this >>99558 is a trap.

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 No.99777

>>99661

>This. There's absolutely no value in reading your hundredth economics book if you're already an educated ancap. It's mental masturbation at this point.

To a point, that's true. But even if you're very economically literate, I would highly recommend everyone read the polylogism chapter of Human Action. It wasn't until I read that short passage did I realize just how truly deranged Marxists are.

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 No.99779

>>99777

the part where he says that Marxists believe that people think differently based on their classes. It was probably a strawman unless someone can find a quote of Marx or a prominent Marxist who said that.

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 No.99780

>>99779

*The Communist Manifesto*? It clearly promoted polylogism, and was clearly taken that way, seeing as how the communists discard arguments to this day for the simple reason that they are made by members of the wrong class.

The SJW's also sucked it all up. How else would you call it that they deny the ability of the privileged to so much as understand what it's like to be oppressed?

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 No.99866

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>>99777

>I would highly recommend

>short passage

This is what memes are for. It's inconvenient for someone to go all out of their way to find a book and look for the chapter with the passage just because you said so, when you can just inject the information right into their brains with dank memes.

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 No.100002

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I highly recommend this. Its a great overview of American history and how it ties into our political philosophy and culture and compares/contrast that to Europe and their views (basically the American Revolution compared to the French Revolution) and is a good overview of how politics evolved in both Europe and America, specifically around how land should be treated.

This was published in 1830 and Tocuqeville predicted the civil war (he has a really good take on how there were two Americas with different births-north and south) and even predicted the cold war. Its long as fuck though, and I've just been Listening to the audiobook

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 No.100012

>>100002

that book is long as fuck. don't know exactly how I'm gonna get through it but I've read longer

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 No.100331

>TAXES ARE THEFT! screamed the anclapper

surely they would have proper knowledge on tax evation or reduction schemes

>HURR DURR CROSSDRESSERS

y'all fags

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 No.100337

>>99866

Source?

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 No.100340

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 No.100347

>>100337

Mises - Human Action.

>>100340

Ummmm… thanks?

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 No.100841

Finished Edward Fesers Philosophy of Mind a while back, all in all a really good book, although not outstanding. I also read Peter Mansfields A History of the Middle East, which focused too much on political history for my taste, while it barely gave such events as the Armenian genocide any space at all, but it was nevertheless quite good. A decent primer if you want to understand this region of the world.

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 No.100846

>>100347

the anime nigger

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 No.100894

>>100846

Ah yes, sorry. That's Boku no Pico.

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