No.100260
The Great American Experiment is a fascinating thing to read about in history. The more you read about the founding and early history of America the more it makes sense. In particular the rest of the world see's America as having a truly alien, fetishistic view of firearms. To the rest of the world they are tools or an abhorrent genie let out the bottle it can never be put back in while the view seems to be that Americans view guns in the same way other cultures view religious iconography. But the big deal seems to be a lack of understanding the 'why' of that.
Reading books like 'The Indifferent Stars Above' or Historians talking on the subject really impresses the horrible reality of the colonial times that i don't think the rest of the world understand. Take England for example. It has been inhabited since before the Ice Age. Castles and rudimentary civil engineering has criss crossed the land for over a thousand years. There were bandits and thieves but the land was small and developed to the point that there were sheriffs, town guards, lords and kings and so on for a long long time with things like the Roman invasion and the clans before that. The concept of the vast untamed endless forests of the land are such an ancient memory that England and France were still a joined landmass at that point.
Compare to America 300-400 years ago tops. A mind blowing, endless new frontier. Predators and sicknesses that you have no name for and behind it all? no police. no guards. Especially for the westward expansion settlers. It was an alien continent and the only safety between a man and his family was what else but his Gun. How many families during this period were saved because the family rifle or revolver got them through some form of attack? families that lived through that time, had descendants to pass on their trials and all recent enough for it to still have a special meaning. What was there for them when Natives circled the wagons? The law? no. The bible? no. It was the Gun. The Gun made America and was ingrained as the saviour of it since its comparatively recent inception as a nation.
Now you see the NRA on tv nowadays and they are visibly comparable to preachers, zealous congregations and just as militant and insular. The only major difference between the NRA and the Catholic Church in the nation is the Church has more control over film ratings and controlling a media message, but as we've seen with the reactions to school shootings in recent times the NRA wants to try, because their totemic idols are under threat of removal.
Do you think firearms are a religion in America? This is no troll comment, from a historical, sociological standpoint it looks like a far more successful version of some modern scam like Scientology. This isn't to shit on anyone on here with guns and the history certainly makes the reaction understandable but if push came to shove and the government came for one would these people fight more for their bible or their rifle?
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No.100270
>>100260
I think your historical analysis makes sense, but you interpret too much into gun culture.
>Do you think firearms are a religion in America?
No, I would not say so. It's an important aspect of American culture, but that does not make it religious. Here in Germany, you'd have a civil war on your hands not if you took our guns, but if you took beer from the Bavarians or wine from the Pallatians. It's a symbol of our identity, but it is not religious. It also isn't threatened, that is why we are not nearly as militant about keeping our beer as Americans are about keeping their rifles.
>Now you see the NRA on tv nowadays and they are visibly comparable to preachers
Wew, I believe that is one of the more odious aspects of American culture at work. Americans, in their own, often tiresome way, are incredibly dramatic. Brits have their stiff upper lip, Russians are calm and always seem to hold something back, Germans try to appear as objective as possible, Arabs alternate between crying fits and more or less empty threats of violence… what about the Americans? Well, first of all, they try to be one of the people, but that is common in democratic nations. But second, and more relevant now, is that many of them have a preachy way of speaking, invoking highminded ideals as if they came from the very bottom of the speakers heart. They sometimes do, no doubt, but personally, I don't like this style. It's frequently manipulative or hypocritical to use it.
Keep in mind that America has a strong history of lay preaching, too, one that is all but missing in many nations on the continent. Catholics, Anglicans, High Church Lutherans, they may or may not permit lay priests, but in practice, their priests are usually professionals. In America, you have lots of denominations where very young, quite inexperienced people are allowed and expected to preach. So if politicians sound like preachers, it's probably because they were preaching at a young age before they entered politics.
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No.100273
i think it's a religeon in that they think they protecc their freedom with just a gun but we need way more than JUSt violence.. we need subversion of authoritarinism, and most of those fags will give their guns up on the first day as soon as daddy government sez so
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No.100276
It's not becoming a religion, it has been one since the inception of the country. It comes from being a country born by violent treason/rebellion.
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No.100281
>>100276
I'll have you know, sir, I do not worship weaponry. It's both wondrous and necessary, but not holy. Now, the Founders…
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No.100466
>>100281
>Now, the Founders…
were slave owners
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No.100486
>>100260
>>100270
>Is gun culture in the US a religion?
In many aspects, yes.
For example: Having a view of the object as a saviour in times of trouble, devotion to clergy (NRA) who care more about money than safety
As a gun owner in the US, there are laws that I do not agree with, but understand the reason for them being written. Then there are other laws that limit owning a gun based on appearance and media hype.
I am puzzled when people think all gun owners are against safety. It might be because the US media does not talk about existing laws pertaining to guns.
I do agree that many in the US are dramatic, especially when opposed to violations against the Constitution, but there are others who see the problems caused by non-law abiding citizens owning guns.
Below are the main laws I reference above:
Gun Control Act
National Firearms Act
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
Gun free school zones Act -This one has an official name, but I don't remember it.
The real question after reading the existing laws: Are the zealots dangerous to the rest of the law abiding gun owners?
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No.100487
I think nobody should bother listening to or responding to someone who never paid enough attention to learn how to properly use apostrophes.
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No.100497
>>100260
i dont like the author saying things in my name
i dont think that america has truly alien, fetishistic view of firearms
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No.100509
>>100260
When the money becomes worthless, weapons become priceless.
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No.100510
>>100466
Niggers are subhuman so I don't really hold that against them.
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No.100511
Yes guns are definitely a religion here. Or at least a material wealth cult of religion magnitude.
I am a gun guy because I used them professionally in my career, I’m good at it, and I like what I did. I do something else now but I’m still good at shooting things and I still like doing it.
I have hung out many hours in gun shops looking at stuff I wish I could afford and learning about what’s new in the industry. But I see people who are legit obsessed with guns. I mean fat old dudes who bitch and moan about politics and buy 1-2 guns a month. They have fifty or a hundred of them, they have vaults in their homes, and they’ve been stockpiling ammo and other gun supplies for decades.
You reach a point where you have enough, seriously. And I see these people at the range too. They show up wearing a thousand dollars worth of tactical gear that I didn’t even know came in that size, spend 45 minutes delicately arranging case after case on the bench, and then handle their weapons like first time dads with babies and shoot like they’ve got someone else’s glasses on. It’s fucking scary. Like they’re concerned with owning guns and using ammo above learning how they work and how to use them effectively.
It is a religion but IMO it’s a shitty and dangerous one and we could do without it. They can ban guns here. It doesn’t mean they’ll all vanish.
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No.100512
>>100486
Oh and safety laws here are fucked and basically good only when some asshat leaves a loaded gun where a little kid can get to it. If you know how to handle a loaded weapon then a toddler isn’t going to shoot anyone with it. And if you leave loaded guns lying around in case of a break in and a toddler can get a hold of it without you knowing, you’re fucking stupid because the guy breaking in will probably be looking for them too.
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No.100531
>>100511
You can never have enough weapons. You can never have enough assets. Also you type like a fag and your shit's all retarded.
>>100512
>advocating for more laws
Are you an immigrant or something? What the fuck part of "Shall not be infringed" do you find so perplexing?
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No.100554
>>100512
>Oh and safety laws here are fucked and basically good only when some asshat leaves a loaded gun where a little kid can get to it.
Sorry, but in what world is it proof that we need a law if it gets broken? Whenever a law is broken, it evidently didn't work, and may just as well not have existed. So you have to look at the cases where the law was followed, and then ask yourself what would have happened if the law hadn't existed. In our particular case, you will find that if gun safety laws didn't real, people would still follow gun safety, as only responsible gun owners know the law to begin with, and responsible gun owners also have a dozen other reasons to store their guns safely. Even if a gun owner was ignorant of the practical reasons for gun safety requirements, but knew the law (which is, as I said, quite unlikely), he probably wouldn't follow it, as people are naturally averse to following laws when breaking them has no practical or legal consequences. The latter is usually the case with such things as legal safety requirements, they are only enforced if someone complained, which is only the case if someone got hurt.
Sorry, but your methodology is all whack.
>>100531
>What the fuck part of "Shall not be infringed" do you find so perplexing?
Also, this.
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No.100569
>>100486
>I am puzzled when people think all gun owners are against safety.
The irony is that those supporting gun regulation are against safety. We see this in bans against numerous safety features such as bump stocks and suppressors.
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No.100572
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No.100573
>>100466
and that's a good thing
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No.100580
>>100572
>the constitution was written to protect citizens rights
Yikes. Stopped reading right there. It protected the states from the Federal Government. The states could choose to protect citizen rights, or not. Several states had official religions and gave money to religious organization until a 1940s SCOTUS decision pursuant the (((14th Amendment))).
Under the original constitution a state was in it's right to go full commie retard so long as it was still considered a representative government.
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No.100587
>>100580
>Yikes. Stopped reading right there.
Same. I wonder what you went on to post.
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No.100588
>>100569
Person you responded to.
Bump stocks are not a safety feature.
Gun locks, safes and following the safety rules are.
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No.100589
>>100512
Responsible gun owners are not ass hats.
Leaving a gun in reach of a child is a crime in some States.
Shall we have more laws?
Did you read the entirety of the existing laws?
Read the existing laws.
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No.100628
>>100587
I guess you don't really ""need"" to know why your screen-cap is inherently flawed not even past the first paragraph. And then will continue to elaborate a flawed understanding.
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No.100636
>>100588
woops i meant flash guards
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No.100648
>>100636
Most assault weapon bans define "assault weapon" as this:
A semi-automatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a thumbhole stock;
(iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
(v) a bayonet mount;
(vi) a flash suppressor, muzzle break, muzzle compensator, or threaded
barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, muzzle break, or
muzzle compensator;
(vii) a grenade launcher
"Assault weapons" are not assault rifles.
Assault rifles are automatic and require a license to own.
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No.100649
>>100572
Federal Law (Constitution) is above State Law.
McDonald vs Chicago
Caetano vs Massachusetts
DC vs Heller
US Constitution, Article 6, Clause 2
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