No.35196 [Last50 Posts]
Let's have a nice discussion based on this topic.
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No.35197
>>35196
Since only the God of Abraham really exists the question is nonsensical. thread/
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No.35199
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No.35201
>>35197
someone can be kind and still not exist. like you can say a character in a tv show or book is kind even if they're fictional.
as for the question, I can't think of many appropriate answers. lots of gods seem like pretty big bullies to me. it's like the old saying: "power makes you become a bully and absolute power makes you become a bully absolutely"
there's only one person with godlike qualities who I trust
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No.35203
>>35197
>Since only the God of Abraham really exists
Tips fedora respectfully I think you'll find that he doesn't :^)
It's obviously Kek. He just wants to make you laugh and cause fun things to happen.
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No.35205
>>35197
Yahweh only exists? Tell that to Kek.
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No.35206
>>35205
>>35203
>>35201
>lel those damn christcucks are just superstitious and not as smart as I
>let me proceed to interpret meaning into random numbers or occasions like a Roman Haruspex or an Imperator reading the flight of birds
>wew I'm so much better than those stone age theist friends *proceeds to behave like a primitive heathen*
kuku
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No.35207
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>>35206
Blatant strawman, No one in this thread said "christcuck" until you brought it up,
>primitive heathen
Yes because Christianity is definitely not Saturn worship, Saturn = Jesus, etc :^).
Also acknowledging the existence of some god is not the same as worshipping it.
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No.35208
The Sun. Literally all of life is the result of the Sun.
All praise Surya Narayan, the holy Sun.
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No.35209
>>35207
>Blatant strawman, No one in this thread said "christcuck" until you brought it up,
Of course not, because it is /kind/. Otherwise atheists do bring this up on the boards, we all know that. The name was also not the argument of the post, the argument was that the "enlightened" atheists are literally acting like a primitive heathen, who is interpreting superstitious nonsense into pointless happenings or random numbers, aka hypocrisy. Christian Numerology on the other hand relies on the fulfillment of prophesies, aka reason and facts. This kek guy on the other hand is disproven each time there are pointless dubs. Also I am still waiting for the Shemitah happening btw, but I guess you do not want to get into this pile of crap that wholely exposed this esoteric bunch for what they are: Liars.
>Yes because Christianity is definitely not Saturn worship,
It is not.
>video
Dis gun b gud
>666 is the number of Christ
Rly? Source for that? Never heard of that, don't believe that. Numerology is an important part of prophesy because it works beyond the human understanding. 666 is initially just a symbol for the Emperor Nero who genocided Christians. It has many meanings and applications of course, but most people should not dive into numerology because they should honestly learn the basics first.
>SOL - OM - ON
>LATIN -HINDI- EGYPTIAN
Pls think for a moment, ok. There is literally no person in antiquity that would speak Latin, Egyptian and Hindi. Next no one on God's green earth has a clue how Egyptian was pronounced in detail, it has no written vowels. And finally, why would Solomon be called like that for some cabbalistic reason? HEck, he even lived before classical Latin became a thing. That's why I call modern edgy image board atheists superstitious and unleraned hypocrites, how could you even ever buy that stuff unironically. Anyway, 10 min left.
>O is the 15th letter of the English alphabet
It's Roman and not English. Solomon lived before there was a generalised Latin Alphabet btw, but facts you know. Get in the way of number magic sometimes, ya.
>666 is the number of the sun now and Zodiac and lots of pointless rambling without a point sth and the Greek
Rly? What's even the point of this segment? Oh 2368 is the number of Jesus now if I add numbers. Great.
>how can someone be the root and the offspring of the same person?
It's called divine mystery. Also Abraham is the symbolical father of the people of God (aka Israel=the Church) because he made the old covenant with him. Since Abraham is not God, but Jesus is God (you seem to accept the bible as a source after all), you know…
>Jesus is just a metaphor for the sun
Wew I'll be sure to tell that to all the contemporary witnesses and historians who write about him and the jews who write about him in their Talmud and everything. The bright morning star is btw not the sun but whatever.
>numerus scholars have equated Abraham with Saturn
How convenient that he names none of those ;^)
>the New Testament is a new version of pagan mythology
I am too far into this video to stop now, but this is comedy gold Who is H.D Robinson? Why is he a source? What qualifies him? Why can he establish claims to be facts beyond uncertainty?
Remphan is not a Israelian God, he was an idol that Israel was punished for worshipping in Assyria, I don't remember in which book of the bible this was by heart right now. The star of Remphan might or might not be the modern star of David though. Anyway the Northern Kingdom exists no longer.
>the equivalence between Saturn and Abraham
W8, I thought Jesus who never existed was Saturn? What now? Also knowing a thing or two about Roman mythology helps calling out the bs here. Who was this son that Saturn loved? Is there any source that Phoenicians called Saturn Israel? Have found nothing about it beyond terrantruth.whatever claiming it, who I deem not too trustworthy in the matter ;^) Abraham is the figurative father of all people of Israel btw (so also your father if you are Christian) as was promised. the body was too long
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No.35210
All in all: Jesus is not Saturn. Saturn was not born by a Virgin. Saturn became not man. Saturn did not fulfill a single prophesy or perform a miracle. Saturn was not backstabbed by his own disciples. Saturn did not willingly choose suffering out of love. Saturn was not tempted by the devil. Saturn lead no sinless live (because he does not exist of course). Saturn did not die for your sins. Saturn did not rise from the dead.
Exactly stuff like this is why I brought this one term up above. Every single internet anti Christian I have ever met is exactly this kind of preposterous, arrogant hypocrite, that is himself completely unlearned and therefore buys into every superstition, but is so full of himself and pride that he will exactly attack Christians pointing out how "stupid" or "gullible" they are. But if you think you know everything already, you can of course never learn. Most people that are not Christians on the other hand have no strong opinions on this stuff at all and are more often than not interested to listen or even ask questions, unlike those "valiant heros" calling out the" jebus crowd". You can have a civilised conversation about Christianity on /islam/, but not on /asatru/ as I have found out myself.
Everyone who buys into esoteric stuff like above, pls do yourself a favour and face sound doctrine instead. Read something about the Church fathers, or directly from them. OR Aquinas or any other Scholar pls. Don't stay in the dark, you have your mind to think, grab a real book. Have a nice day friend ♥
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No.35211
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>>35210
Alright you made some great points, but can you refute this video?
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No.35212
For such a /kind/ board there sure is a lot of arguing.
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No.35213
>>35206
>let me proceed to interpret meaning into random numbers
I assure you Kek and the worship of dubs is a completely serious belief, as 100% serious in tone as my post >>35203
I'm not sure where you're getting "atheist" from though. Is it the hat? Obviously my beliefs make me an Egyptian pantheist. This should be obvious to someone as well-read as yourself.
Kek and Θώθ are the best and most kind of all gods because they represent pure and good qualities. Kek is the herald of mirth, and Θώθ is the progenitor of deep thought. Hence the name "Thoth" or "Thot." He is represented here on earth in the form of Malik Obama, lord of the thotties, founder of the Thot Patrol.
He encourages us to "trust no thoughts" e.g. to question that which we take for granted. Praise be to Θώθ for granting us the mental strength to cast off falsehoods!
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No.35214
>>35211
I can try, but not today. Have to refill the autism battery. I'll watch it tomorrow.
>>35212
I hope no one took any of my rant above as mean spirited, it surely wasn't meant this way but I see how it could be perceived as such, sorry about that. Nor do I want to accuse anyone ITT that he was mean spirited. I guess this is just the nature of things if you talk about serious topics that have been talked to death before. We all know what happens on a certain political board if you bring the topic up and probably have seen it before, so most people already start into these kinds of convos with preconceived fellings and impressions (ie bitterness)
>>35201
>someone can be kind and still not exist. like you can say a character in a tv show or book is kind even if they're fictional.
To contribute on topic, that's a fair point. I'm not well read outside of Greek Mythology though. And in Greek Mythology I cannot think of anyone that is kind. Of the classical Gods maybe Apollon, although he pulled some stuff in the Troian war. He is still the god of healing and the arts and considered a source of beauty, wisdom and justice. Among the Titans perhaps Prometheus because his wrath at Zeus is understandable and otherwise he seems ok. Yet the "good" stuff he did was mostly to spite Zeus not good for goodness' sake, so there's that.
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No.35215
>>35196
>(excluding the Abrahamic God)
no bully jesus! jesus is kind.
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No.35223
>(excluding the Abrahamic God)
There is only one God and the rest are not even worth discussing, remnants of savege, inferior cultures and beliefs.
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No.35224
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No.35225
>>35223
The Bible just says 'thou shall have no other god before me'. It doesn't say other gods don't exist, it just says don't exalt them above YHWH.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Council#Hebrew
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No.35226
>>35225
You haven't read the bible.
Isaiah 45:5
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me
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No.35227
>>35226
Where it says LORD, in the original Hebrew says Yahweh - His name.
I am Yahweh, and there is none else [He alone is Yahweh], there is no God beside me [the other gods aren't beside him or equal to him]: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me.
God stands in the divine assembly, he judges the gods.
-Psalm 82:1
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
-Psalm 82:6
Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven [the divine council] standing around him on his right and on his left.
-1 Kings 22:19
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No.35229
>OP understanding that people who were brought up to believe in one of the 3 main Abrahamic religions won't be able to discuss gods from other literature because of the obligation to only talk about their 1 god explicitly excluded that god to try get discussion of not as obvious answers
>thread gets filled with people mad that their god was excluded from a thread that was likely intended to look at say Roman and Indian gods.
It's as if they want everyone to think their god is just as imaginary as the others.
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No.35232
>>35229
You're assuming why OP wanted to exclude the Abrahamic god. It could have been for the reason you suggest. Or it could have been out of animosity. The thread would've gone better if he'd included his reason for excluding that god.
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No.35233
>>35232
No bully YHWH! ;_;
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No.35235
>>35233
Maybe we can give YHWH his waifu back so he won't be so lonely :3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaweh
Interesting background. So Yaweh was like a supernatural warrior entity working a guardian angel like position for jews that was promoted to god status.
This Abrahamic god may not be the kindest, but he certainly is principled and protective of his flock.
Funny how it was only after the Jews returned from their exile in Babylon that they decided to make Yaweh the only god. There was such a rich history of deities back then, a shame they suddenly narrowed it down to one. Also how they got rid of gods waifu and only kept statues of her in temples in Jerusalem and things instead.
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No.35238
Not a god but I think Buddhas teachings are some of the most sensible and kindest around.
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No.35241
>>35232
>OP wanted to exclude the Abrahamic god. It could have been for the reason you suggest. Or it could have been out of animosity.
You have memed this into existence
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No.35242
>>35232
>>35233
>>35241
OP here, I meant that any /kind/ gods which aren't Yahweh, I do and will not bully Yahweh.
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No.35248
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No.35255
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No.35258
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No.35259
>>35225
>>35227
>>35225
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
-Romans 1:25
The bible will refer to idols made by men to worship as "gods". Theologically speaking those are at best superstition, at worst demons (fallen angels) seducing man to worship them instead of God the creator. In the OT the plural is used akin to the plural majestix or to refer to the trinity ("we" before creation for example). God has never been alone because of the trinity, there was always a plural. When they say God is eternal love this means that there was love before creation took place, the love between the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
>>35235
The Israelites took up idol worship after they were lead from bondage, there are whole books in the bible dealing with that. End of the story was being enslaved once again and more than half of their kingdom being completely obliterated, as punishments. So it was not "suddenly narrowed", they had good motivation to do so :^)
>>35255
ay
>>35258
idol. Lead to much suffering, never into real.
>>35213
It doesn't matter if you are being ironic or not. Cast irony aside, it is dangerous and one leads to the other. First of all there are people out there who are serious about the stuff you are ironic about. Secondly what starts as irony will become truth because man will become similar to what he pretends to be. And lastly in the end you will forget the reason it all came, and forget you were not "serious" and start beieving in your own lies.
18 Like a crazed archer scattering firebrands and deadly arrows,19 Such are those who deceive their neighbor, and then say, “I was only joking.”
-Proverbs 26
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No.35260
>>35211
So I have to get some things straight first. The premise of this video is that Jesus is in fact not divine, but that his life is symbolic/pointing towards "the cube" which is an alter ego of the sun or Saturn? That's what I got out of it, I hope that's close enough to the intention, at some points in the video I was not completely sure though if this is in fact not satire but on the other hand it does not matter.
In general there are pattern to these things that we know as heresy. One of the oldest heresies is gnosticism and in fact most heretical movements are to some degree just a resurgence of gnosticism in current year (in the medieval world albigensians for example), so it's a good idea to be informed about this one falsehood to be able to easily tackle others. Recurring themes are: Most importantly attacks on the divinity of Christ, denying the existence of a personal God, rejecting the physical world, deforming the gospel, beside the obvious one that is seperating the individual from the Church in order to make it (the individual) easy prey to falsehood and seduction;
Alright the actual video. We start of with the citation of a book from a guy that no one knows claiming that Christ is a cube. That's a high claim and he provides neither evidence nor even reasoning for this being the case. Discard that. It is possible to draw a cube inside the star of David, well so it is on a blank paper. Breadth and length and wide as cited by Paul does not have to imply a cube, it could imply any 3dimensional body as it could imply a non-phsical concept like Christ's love. Since cubes are not really a prominent theme within the bible, yet love is I will just wager it refers to the latter.
>a cross is an unfolded cube
Well yes. If it is four units long and three in width that is. Most crosses are not, just take a look at it, it's very unfamiliar and unnatural. Most certainly the tool the Romans used to execute people did not have these measures. If you take a look at the variety of crosses that exist within Christianity, for example the Orthodox one, you see there is no cube symbolism to speak of. I have never heard of a "cube symbol of the lord" as depicted nor of a cube of four.
>(…) God is not a person (…) God is a cube!
There are several ways to conclude that God needs to have a personal nature, but since this video refers to Jesus Christ so much, just this one: Jesus refers to God as a person, specifically as his father. He is one with this father. The hebrews refer to this father ever since they have been lead from Egypt. The whole of the Old Testament is dealing with God making decisions (only sentient beings are capable of that, forces of nature not) for his people and conversing with chosen prophets personally. This is so obvious that whenever this claim of an impersonal God comes up you know that, if thought through, the claimant has to reject the OT and misrepresent the NT. That's usually when the demiurge as a form of deus ex machina since it would not work without him and be compatible with this "Christianity", the irony is rich tbh comes up. I'll adress the second part with a later segment.
>every cube contains a Merkaba Star where the vertices of the cube are the vertices of the star
Well, no. The centre of a star is not a vertice afaik, and a cube has 8 and not 7 vertices. What's the obsession with this star again? I have seen this thing in Churches a handful of times in my whole live, there is no reason to give it such a prominent position in a theory.
>Yehushua
I hate this meme. I'll just refer everyone to meme pastor for a moment he is right on this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAXQI8JALfk
This only came up in recent years, there is no reason to assume he was called like this at all, it is just a covert attack not lead by reason. Why did it came up after 2000 years of using Jesus as his name? That's right, it is just arbitrary.
>Mithras, Horus, Osiris etc have all the same backstory as Jesus /were resurrected on the third day/ crucified/ born by a virgin
That meme started to pop up around 15 years ago iirc. Before that you would have never heard it because the sources just do not give it. I never dived into this rabbit hole, but this relies mostly on misrepresentation as far as I'm aware. For example Mithras was cut out of a rock iirc, and some people make this a virgin birth. Or <insert random sun god here> is said to be resurrected, when in fact many people in antiquity and prior to that would have myths about the sun perpetually dying and being reborn (see the phoenix saga eg) for obvious reasons etcpp
35 lines is not very long BO-sama ;_;
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No.35261
>an unfolded cube is still a cube xtians!
That would present the problem that still no Christian does worship a cross, yet the claim is that the cube is literally God. In most Churches in the world Jesus is still attached to the cross making the theory bogus from the start. Only protestants/protestants in denial remove him from there for reasons we need not to get into (nothing to do with cubes, promised ;^)) The cross folded up after Jesus was taken down from it? Never heard of that one before, certainly is not in the bible or another source I know of.
>citing revelation
Good example of doing numerology wrong. The city of heaven, the heavenly Jerusalem is not a physical place. It is as long as it is wide because it is eternal and beyond physical limitations. To each side it is 12000 units long. 12 is the number of the people (natio). 1000 refers to eternity or uncountably huge numbers, for example Jesus' reign on earth will measure 1000 years aka be eternal. 12 000 in this context means that there will be uncountable (1000) numbers of people from the people of God (12 as in the tribes of Israel, Israel being the people of God= the Church). In another instance the number of people in heaven is specified to be 144 000. But it is not meant to be read plainly, it does not mean there will be actual 144 000 people. There will be 1000, so uncountable, x 12 (the people of God) x12 (also general number for people as in nation). 12x12=144 l x1000=144 000, there will be countless people from all nations in heaven that will make up the people of God. I think actual numerology is much more beautiful than esoteric perversions trying to fit this into something understandable by the human mind, making a beautiful analogy into some golden space cube guarded by the zodiacs or some stuff.
So the cube is god and god is saturn and saturn is for some reason not Saturn but the sun is his conclusion. The main problem we have here in itself, disregarding all the prior inconsistencies, is that the sun cannot be God because God is the creator. The sun on the other hand is only part of the creation and not the creator. Creation cannot create itself, God as the creator has to be uncreated in nature for him to truly be God. The Christian God is uncreated and fufills this premise, because although he walked on earth and faced creation himself, he was not created, the Son of God Jesus also known as Logos existed prior to the creation before it even took place.
The rest of the video seems to concern itself with some other youtube guy. I have no interest in some personal vendetta and won't adress it, but trust me there is so much humbug in his "equations" it makes my head spin.
done. Literally
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No.35262
>>35196
Idunn
a sweet young girl who lives alone in an apple orchard
she spends her spare time playing the lyre and petting baby forest animals
the gods retain their youth thanks to Idunn's apples
>>35199
but Holo is a good second
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No.35264
>>35259
>Theologically speaking those are at best superstition, at worst demons (fallen angels) seducing man to worship them instead of God the creator
That's supposition, the Bible doesn't say that. It says Yahweh is present at their divine council. Even Satan isn't really presented as an enemy of God when he first appears in the book of Job, him and God are more like buddies and they make a bet over whether Satan can turn Job away from God or not.
The Bible is clear that there are many types of celestial beings, for example cherubim and seraphim (people say these are types of angels but the Bible doesn't say that), various beasts, etc. It's sort of a semantic quibble whether you want to call these beings gods or not. If you define a god as the creator of all things then the only god would be Yahweh. But then, by that definition most pagan gods would also not be classified as gods based on their own mythologies.
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No.35266
>>35264
>But then, by that definition most pagan gods would also not be classified as gods based on their own mythologies.
a significant portion of pagan beliefs incorporate a supreme creator god, sometimes dead, sometimes slain by the gods to make the world,sometimes sacrificed to create the world
others who are the world and some that created the world by accident while having sex with themselves Egypt
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No.35267
>>35266
Yes, but again, if you define the word 'god' as meaning the creator of all things, as some Christians want to do, that would mean only the supreme creator god in each mythology would be worthy of the title of god. On the other hand if 'god' just means a superhuman celestial or otherworldly being, as pagans use the word, then the Christian worldview would have to accept the existence of multiple gods since the Bible describes superhuman beings other than God.
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No.35269
>>35267
neat
what do you think of Idunn?
how kind is she?
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No.35279
>>35259
>Secondly what starts as irony will become truth because man will become similar to what he pretends to be.
What is the problem with a god of mirth becoming a real subject of worship? At least He embodies something which is purely positive and not some 2000+ year old code of norms.
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No.35285
>>35259
But before the time of this alleged bondage the God of Israel was El who had his goddess Asherah. Then there were lower tier gods like Baal. After their bondage they had their idol worship and subsequent exile.
You can't say that they were motivated to narrow things down to one god because 'Yaweh' punished them for idol worship when they never had one god before then and this predated their first bondage and the god of Israel at it's establishment wasn't even Yaweh.
It is also unreasonable to point to "whole books in the bible dealing with" this when these books were what was compiled as the story they wanted to give people after the Babylonian exile. That's intentionally bounding history by revisionist texts.
But then the usual tactic is to refuse to listen to anything that isn't in the bible as a way of rejecting history and contradictory evidence because people are brought up to believe that the bible is the only thing that is real or something.
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No.35286
>>35196
Abraham wasn't a monotheist. Judaism only become monotheist in the time of Moses.
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No.35287
>>35286
Actually it was after "the times of Moses" when it became monotheistic. The different kingdoms in the region had 2 gods each and they were equal to each other in standing between kingdoms. Judah and Israel had Yahweh and Asherah as their gods. It was only when they put an 8 year old on the throne that Yahweh was made the one god main god, though they still had other gods. Judaism in it's monotheistic form only really began in the 5th-6th century BCE.
Given the Jewish people as a group never left the region between 2000BC and 600BC, especially not to Egypt, referring to Moses as the point at which monotheism started doesn't fit the evidence that exists outside the revisionist biblical texts of the 500's BC.
For on topic, Mats is the kindest god :D (if you like Ruby that is).
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No.35289
>>35264
I do not get the point you are trying to make. "The Bible doesn't say that" is also no reasoning to discard anything.
There are other metaphysical beings than God, but those are still part of his creation. God is a title. Someone or something called a god does make the claim that he deserves to be worshipped. God lays it out clearly to us that there is nothing on earth or in heaven that deserves to be worshipped but him. So while there are spirits and other things, there is only one God. This is not semantic. Any Angel that seduces a man to worship him is qua definition therefore a demon, because he acts contrary to the will of God, who alone is omnipotent and deserves worship.
>>35267
See above
>>35279
>What is the problem with a god of mirth becoming a real subject of worship?
He is evil and does not deserve to be worshipped. Demons use man for their own advantage and to take delight in their suffering out of spite. All there is to it.
>At least He embodies something which is purely positive and not some 2000+ year old code of norms.
You do not understand what either is about as it seems to me. You should inform yourself about both.
>>35285
>But before the time of this alleged bondage the God of Israel was El who had his goddess Asherah. Then there were lower tier gods like Baal. After their bondage they had their idol worship and subsequent exile.
There was one God of Israel, the God of Abraham. As time went on the Israelites introduced idols and other supposed "gods", as you name them.
>You can't say that they were motivated to narrow things down to one god because 'Yaweh' punished them for idol worship when they never had one god before then and this predated their first bondage and the god of Israel at it's establishment wasn't even Yaweh.
Those are some high claims that you just happen to put your faith in. Abraham had only one God, and it is from him that Israel comes.
>It is also unreasonable to point to "whole books in the bible dealing with" this when these books were what was compiled as the story they wanted to give people after the Babylonian exile. That's intentionally bounding history by revisionist texts.
Who? Before being written down those texts were orallycarried through the generations. There was no central Israelite authority that could conspire to do such a thing. A decentralised system like this could never pull this off.
>But then the usual tactic is to refuse to listen to anything that isn't in the bible
Did I do that? This is not a Christian attitude, it is protestant.
>as a way of rejecting history and contradictory evidence
Which contradictory evidence? The Bible just happens to be our best if not only source for anything that happened at the time of Abraham. But at the same time it is the most trustworthy source that has been proven right and right again. Critiques of the bible have been moving the goal post for decades now. I remember times when (((people))) would claim that David, or Pilatus never existed because there were no other records but the bible of them, and therefore the bible must be false. Today there is archeological evidence for them, lo and behold, and therefore (((they))) moved the goal post to whatever it is in the current year.
>>35286
>>35287
Well, those just seem to me like the same old claims that will be disproven given time. And once those are disproven you will move on to whatever it is then.
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No.35292
>>35289
So someone refers to archeological evidence and you dismiss it because a revisionist book written a thousand years later contradicts the things that happened before it was written with a blatant agenda.
But you then boldly claim that there is one god that definitely exists without evidence and everything else is fake.
You claim Abraham had one god because the bible said so and that israel had one god as its national god. Again your books from the 600s BC does not take priority over archaological evidence that predates it.
You can't refer to more recent examples from Jesus' time where people claimed someone didn't exist. I'm saying that there is archaeological evidence that the Jews occupied Israel during the time that they later claim they were in Egypt as slaves.
This is qualitatively different from people making a claim due to lack of evidence at the time.
If you could into logic, a claim requires evidence that would undeniably demonstrate the veracity of the claim. If there is a lack of evidence then people argue ad nauseum (the existence of a theistic god in this case perhaps). But if there is contradictory evidence then the claim can be rejected.
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No.35293
>Did I do that? This is not a Christian attitude, it is protestant.
To be fair you have been exclusively quoting the bible to make your claims and rejecting everything people say as 'false gods' and 'demons' while looking down on others for supporting something positive instead of a capricious vindictive middle eastern oriented god.
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No.35294
>>35289
>He is evil and does not deserve to be worshipped. Demons use man for their own advantage and to take delight in their suffering out of spite. All there is to it.
So Kek is a fallen angel? That is what a demon is, right? Your type is so quick to turn everything into dogma, calling Kek a demon when you'd have more success if you said the revival of Kek was a series of amusing coincidences combined with wishful thinking. But then, that is what all religion is, isn't it?
Speaking of fallen angels, though, that reminds me of another neat meme.
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No.35296
>>35292
>So someone refers to archeological evidence and you dismiss it because a revisionist book written a thousand years later contradicts the things that happened before it was written with a blatant agenda.
Woah get out of the CNN mode for a moment here. Where did I do that?
>You can't refer to more recent examples from Jesus' time where people claimed someone didn't exist.
What does this sentence mean?
> I'm saying that there is archaeological evidence that the Jews occupied Israel during the time that they later claim they were in Egypt as slaves.
Point me to it?
>If you could into logic, a claim requires evidence that would undeniably demonstrate the veracity of the claim. If there is a lack of evidence then people argue ad nauseum (the existence of a theistic god in this case perhaps). But if there is contradictory evidence then the claim can be rejected.
Considering that it is interesting no one has pointed towards the "evidence" yet…
>>35293
I have dismissed the idea that worshipping a demon is anything but evil because of the bible alone so far, yes.
>>35294
>So Kek is a fallen angel?
Possibly, but I don't think so. I think this is just some superstitious nonsense people came up with because they cannot deal with their meaningless way of living otherwise. "Critical thinking" is a nice "enlightenment" meme btw. Being critical of the absolute good is nothing but bad. If I tell my son to not cross the road, and he does it anyway and gets run over, I will most certainly not appreciate his being a disobedient brat with calling it "critical thinking"
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No.35302
One issue when discussing these areas of history is that the 'evidences' are spread all over the world in museums so few individuals could ever have the understanding and resources to appreciate what is going on and have access to all the primary sources.
Regarding Exodus there are articles like http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm that sum things up with references of course, but for an argument on the internet it is unfeasible to expect someone to write another book full of specific points and primary resources to satisfy one stubborn person that will likely not appreciate whats going on because it will make them too sad if they were unable to believe things as they were brought up to believe.
It is unsurprising when the bible "turns out to say things that sort of happened" when it was written by people who were alive in the middle east 2500 years ago. But as seen in say the article linked, these things didn't happen to the people they claim it did and is often an allegory or mythical story based on commonly known events of the time that they didn't have a full background of so could write based on them. Kind of like how we do historical fiction, with fantasy elements nowadays.
But when so consistently something did happen, but without the fantastical elements and to a different people group with a different outcome, in exodus case the Egyptians gladly expelling the Hyskos not Moses and 600k people trying to sneak away, followed by the Hyskos destroying Jericho around the time the bible claims it was destroyed, while the Israelites still living in the region having not left,it is kind of difficult to justify believing the biblical accounts over the other sources where a similar thing happened only it was not what happened in the bible.
This is probably also why so many different religions have such similar origin stories with floods or the Jesus and Ra/Horus/Saturn because it was just how memes were spreading at the time given their history.
But no, the one sole text written much later that we are told is right and everything else is fake news because it would be against the god we are brought up to believe in, that has to be the only REAL story aye guys.
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No.35303
>>35210
Hey, you talking about God and Christianity sparked the memory of a question I've had. sometimes I "talk" to God.
It's weird, and I'm not sure if it's psychosis or something, but I "talk" to him inside my head and ask for advice. I ask questions and if it's a yes or a no question I concentrate on the affirmative or negative and depending on the answer there's either a negative emotion or a positive one.
Also sometimes he gives advice beyond yes or no questions.
Is this known at all through Christianity or am I insane?
He never tells me to do anything, and He never initiates "conversation", I have to ask questions first.
Also I generally feel better after talking to him.
Also since I know I can't prove any of this, and in case I'm wrong I keep it to myself, so that I'm not a false prophet or whatever.
Don't want to mislead people and I don't want to get thrown into an insane asylum.
Anyway, let me know what you think. Thanks.
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No.35305
>>35303
That's one of your internal voices you are talking to probably.
As in you are conversing with another part of your subconscious for advice.
I wonder if it's in some way linked to things like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfYbgdo8e-8
Would be incredibly difficult to test I'd imagine though.
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No.35306
>>35206
Who are you quoting?
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No.35308
>>35296
>I think this is just some superstitious nonsense people came up with because they cannot deal with their meaningless way of living otherwise.
This is what I was alluding to in >>35294 if we didn't know you were talking about Kek, then we would have a hard time determining which religious figure you were referring to.
>"Critical thinking" is a nice "enlightenment" meme btw.
What exactly do you mean when you use the term 'meme'? I understand your sentence, I'm just curious what your definition is. Not trying to make fun of you.
>Being critical of the absolute good is nothing but bad. If I tell my son to not cross the road, and he does it anyway and gets run over, I will most certainly not appreciate his being a disobedient brat with calling it "critical thinking"
The apple is a metaphor for the dangers of disobeying authority, but ironically, it also contains the foundations of another, entirely contradictory moral. That in questioning authority and accepting the risk that comes with it, we elevate ourselves above children and sheep.
What do you say to the idea that Satan exists as part of "the divine plan" to teach us the meaning of suffering and evil, so that we can appreciate "the absolute good" properly, instead of as thought-slaves? Not that I would agree to use "absolute good" to describe a god that doesn't embody our own best qualities. Him being vengeful, narcissistic and power-drunk.
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No.35317
>>35196
She's not only the kindest god, but also the cutest. Haruhi is a distant runner up.
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No.35319
>>5317
Seconding Madoka as kindest god
♥
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No.35320
>>35317
madoka is a commie.
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No.35321
>>35320
So she's pretty much like a real life version of Jesus?
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No.35323
>>35302
>evidence is sparse if it is there at all
>I am still right of course
Hubris is the most dangerous of sins.
>to satisfy one stubborn person that will likely not appreciate whats going on because it will make them too sad if they were unable to believe things as they were brought up to believe.
Christianity is unlike Judaism and to a lesser degree Islam a religion of converts. If you are a Christian in the modern day west you have been brought up to believe marxist lies and became a Christian in spite of it.
>Jesus and Ra/Horus/Saturn
This was adressed above. No one is like Jesus, that's cheap anti Christian propaganda that does not withstand investigation.
>But no, the one sole text written much later that we are told is right and everything else is fake news because it would be against the god we are brought up to believe in, that has to be the only REAL story aye guys.
See above
>>35308
>This is what I was alluding to in >>35294 if we didn't know you were talking about Kek, then we would have a hard time determining which religious figure you were referring to.
Kek is not a religious figure. I'd distinguish sharply between primitive esoterism and real religions. I for example think Islam is a wicked lie that essentially promotes evil, but I would never put it on one level with superstition. We have to be honest here.
>What exactly do you mean when you use the term 'meme'? I understand your sentence, I'm just curious what your definition is. Not trying to make fun of you.
A meme is simply an idea that is spread between people, this can also apply to concepts. "Critical thinking" is such a meme. Other memes would include universal human rights, trickle down economy, Zionism,, 49 Genders, funny image macros - you name it.
If my son ever approaches me and tells me he has critically questioned social norms and come to see that gender is just a construct and he can be a girl if he cuts his penis off, I won't laudate him for his "critical thinking", I will spank him and take care that he gets right in the head. Everything else would be hateful, you'd really have to hate your son to affirm this self destructive lie.
>The apple is a metaphor for the dangers of disobeying authority
Ay
> it also contains the foundations of another, entirely contradictory moral. That in questioning authority and accepting the risk that comes with it, we elevate ourselves above children and sheep.
This is no morality at all since it is not rooted in reality, you can not build a lasting society upon it. Doctrine has it that man is a sheep of a flock, that he is to be a loyal servant, that he is the child of an ever loving Father. This is the reality we face, and you unconsciously know it too. When you go out there and interact with people, you know that the vast majority is not cut out to be leaders. And people understand instinctively that in order for civilisation to work, those few leaders out there are to take care of the weak, and not prey upon them.
>What do you say to the idea that Satan exists as part of "the divine plan" to teach us the meaning of suffering and evil, so that we can appreciate "the absolute good" properly, instead of as thought-slaves?
I think it is a good line of thought. The fall of man may have brought suffering into the world and distanced as from paradise. But on the other hand it opens the ability for man to prevail in the fallen world, allowing him to enter the city of heaven where he will face God directly. A fate inconceivably more glorious than living in the bliss of the garden of Eden. The divine plan is perfect and ultimately leads to good, even if we lack the perspective to see it in the situation sometimes.
>Not that I would agree to use "absolute good" to describe a god that doesn't embody our own best qualities. Him being vengeful, narcissistic and power-drunk.
I think this is a misconception that unfortunately many people have. And that's no coincidence, there are enemies out there that are actively propagating this. I am sure that you, and others, would change their mind in this matter if they are open to it and try to see the whole picture. Many accusations, such as cruelty, just fade away given context.
>>35320
I don't think Madoka would fit into communism, she doesn't seem like the girl that would force her believes onto others or exclude and liquidate the ones who oppose her opinions and ideas no matter the cost. I'd add her to Republicanism but then the picture does not work out of course. Otherwise great.
>>35321
>Jesus is a commie
Gimme a break pls. I can only write so many walls of text that no one will read at a time
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No.35324
What you are describing seems like innocent prayer to me. Prayer is basically talking to God, and in a conversation both are giving and taking after all. Are you actually hearing physical voices? How does it feel when this occurs?
Judging by what you are writing I wouldn’t be concerned. I have known people who were legit insane and therefore heard voices, had this mental condition. Not beautiful, but different in nature to what you described. The problem at hand is though that mentally ill people to themselves seldom realise that they are having a condition. You questioning your state of mind is a good sign that you are most likely not mentally ill, although there is no certainty in these matters of course.
I’d urge you to visit a priest and ask him for counseling. Priests are meant to give spiritual guidance, they are trained to do so and much more learned in these matters than me. Beside the obvious fact that being face to face to someone is really the only way to assess these things, over the internet it’s little more than guessing. He also won’t throw you into an insane asylum for being religious, unlike what eg a secular psychiatrist could feel like, no worries. Don’t keep these things that bother you to yourself, humans need to reach out to others to some degree.
>>35305
“Internal voices”, “subconscious”, don’t fall for jewish tricks like psychoanalysis pls
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No.35325
>>35320
She really is the /kind/est!
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No.35326
>>35323
>Kek is not a religious figure. I'd distinguish sharply between primitive esoterism and real religions. I for example think Islam is a wicked lie that essentially promotes evil, but I would never put it on one level with superstition. We have to be honest here.
The only thing that separates the two is time and growth. If I don't preach the gospel of Kek now, there won't be a parallel of you and I 2000 years from now discussing whether the first Book of Kek "He Will Not Divide Us" was written by the Frog himself or not.
>A meme is simply an idea that is spread between people, this can also apply to concepts. "Critical thinking" is such a meme.
That is the academic definition, which is why I was curious as to why it seemed as though you were using it to mean "a fake thing."
>If my son ever approaches me and tells me he has critically questioned social norms and come to see that gender is just a construct and he can be a girl if he cuts his penis off, I won't laudate him for his "critical thinking", I will spank him and take care that he gets right in the head. Everything else would be hateful, you'd really have to hate your son to affirm this self destructive lie.
I don't think he's going to come to you with statements like that unless he's well beyond the age where it's appropriate to spank him. At least unless you want to open up a wound in your relationship that will never heal. Best case scenario, you have ruined any chance of him becoming one of the benevolent leaders that you idolize. Worst case, your daughter runs away and dies alone.
>Many accusations, such as cruelty, just fade away given context.
Good thing I did not mention cruelty then
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No.35328
>>35320
Literally every single part of that image is wrong.
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No.35329
>>35324
When mentally retarded people (autism/downsyndrome etc) act out violently and hurt others is it demons or is it that person is just a horrible person so was born retarded because god created them bad or "is a consequence of ancestors being bad" because Abrahamic religions love blaming people for things their ancestors did, kinda like SJWs.
If god talks to people then why doesn't he just use special god words to help these people act more stable?
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No.35330
>>35323
>No one is like Jesus
He predictably had an awful lot of generic meme qualities attributed to him like the virgin birth, death and resurrection and the flying into space at the end bits though.
Like, why is god so boring and un-creative that he had to do things that people already believed others had done for like hundreds of years before and did them in a way that there was no stronger reason to believe one story over the other aside from lots of people believing it after it was made a state religion which is just an argument for following islam too.
No one is exactly like anyone else, but when you apply all the same generic magical acts to one guy that have also been attributed to many others their life and words are going to be different, but the arguments for why they are so magical specials are still the same sort of deal.
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No.35331
>>35248
All on /kind/ :'^)
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No.35334
I don't think I'm even familiar with all that many deities. I guess Prometheus is kind of cool because he gave us fire.
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No.35346
>35330
It's because Jesus's story is a meta story. It's a story of stories; the type of story that resonated with people 's soul. It's why such a story will be found in multiple cultures.
He is an amalgamation of all good qualities. He is an abstract representation of such a perfectly good and virtuous human being that he simply must be divine.
His resurrection shows that he must be greater than an ordinary man and must therefore be divine. It represents the immorality of his story and to the story's meaning and message. It's also a signifier to our own personal journey towards betterment or to the divine. To become a better person, often the old self must perish. And that such a transformation is often very painful and tortuous.
His crucifixion shows us, that even the best man can be treated cruelly and that a divine man will bear it all and never give way to despair, anger or hate.
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