/k/ - Weapons

>>664134

>this guy has made his own electrically fired BP and smokeless guns

Yeah, I think I've seen that project before, which is why I don't think I can electrically ignite BP without a battery.

>diesel/fire-piston igniter seems like it might have potential

You may have a point. I'll have to look into the feasibility, but I suspect it'll be harder to garage-build than a flintlock, on account of the tight tolerances needed to seal the piston and whatnot.

>>664204

>>664205

Mershon & Hollingsworths tickle my steampunk boner.

>>664326

So it's a literal clockwork gun? That's pretty cool.

>>664517

Hmmm. Possible, though not ideal.

I'm trying to design a gun that can be built at the hardware store and kept running almost indefinitely with rocks and chicken shit.

Your suggestion works pretty well for a more urban survivalist approach, though, and so is a worthwhile consideration as a variant. To be fair, the same might be said for the battery-powered version.

weren't the early bolt action guns black powder?

>>664538

Where do you put the black powder in that

>>664631

It's uses a paper cartridge.

>>665658

Flintlock or percussion? Track of the wolf stocks several but most of them are going to be handmade so prices vary. Traditions also makes both flint and percussion for more reasonable prices.

you can buy a BP revolver without "gun" paperworks, then buy a cyl that allows common 38spl ammo. Ends up costing about same as SA cheap revolver, and doubt any store would sell BP revolver without at least checking/recording ID but who knows.

>>665674

Whatever is faster to reload

stupid question:

can I reload 38/357 with Black Powder (for shits and giggles)? This would be for recent production Ruger Blackhawk and/or Puma Lever Action rifle.

Will it make a huge mess to clean?

Does anyone use BP for Cowboy Action Shooting?

>>665680

You definitely can with 357, i assume with 38 as well. Interestingly, you can even do that with .45ACP. There's plenty of info on that, even yt videos.

>Will it make a huge mess to clean?

Well, have you ever shot bp guns?

>>665681

Is that only pellet and black powder gun or does it need a cartridge

Give me names of these 4 guns

>>665680

>can I reload 38/357 with Black Powder

.38 special was originally a black powder cartridge. but was changed to smokeless during it's first year or two of production. But for reference, you can load almost any cartridge with black powder provided you know how black powder works. It's has a significantly lower pressure curve than most smokeless powders. Just understand though that you load it differently from smokeless. With black powder, you either fill the case and seat a bullet allowing it to compress the powder a little, or use a filler. You do not want any gaps of air with black powder.

>>665693

The bottom rifle is a Ruger No.1

>>665703

>>665703

Nah modern weapons is not for this thread

What I asked for is those 1300$+ muskets used by mountain men

Send those kid

>>665705

>1300$+ mountain man muskets

The golden age of fur trapping was the 1820s-1840s. it'd depend on what you really wanted, if you want early mountain man, you'd be looking at smoothbore flintlocks, by the mid 1830s it shifted for the most part to rifled percussion guns, The most famous being Hawkens rifles. who made both full stocked flintlocks and half stocked percussion guns.

Pedersoli is about as good as it gets without buying a custom rifle. https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/guns-for-sale-pedersoli.asp?l=en They have distributors all over the US and Euroland

>>665719

Mountain men were pretty much using rifles in the early 1700's. Daniel Boone smoked some dumb bong at 250+ with one.

>>654359

>Anons make fun of these weapons and so on.

>They stay.

>I mock those making fun of them.

>I get banned.

Fuck /k/ vols.

>>665825

No. Rifles were expensive as shit and stayed confined to Pennsylvania (Where Danial Boone was from) Parts of Virginia, Northern NC (a place where Danial Boone and a bunch of Other Pennsylvanians congregated) and the Kantucks (another place Danial Boone brought Pennsylvanians) relatively cheap large diameter smooth bores were the predominant gun of the long hunters. Daniel Boone could afford a rifle because he not only started off fairly affluent, being the son of a blacksmith, but also because he made a shitload of money later in life off surveying and land speculation. That is till he fucked up royally in Kentucky. which he never recovered from.

Also, Mountain Men didn't exist until a bit before the beaver fur trade along the Mississippi. What you're thinking of was long hunters. Similar in that they went off into the woods for large stretches of time, but different in both the amount of money they made and how they operated. Mountain Men were Company slaves who Racked up a shitload of debt buying supplies and spent the rest of the year trapping in demand pelts to work it off, only to rack up a shitload of more debt at the next Company sponsored Rendezvous. It wasn't until beaver really took off did these people switch to predominantly rifles, which by the 1830s had become a lot cheaper compared to the artisan works of the Jaeger and Long rifles that preceded them.

>>665839

>long hunters

Yes. That is what I'm thinking of and from my understanding they tended to get their hands on a rifle as soon as they possibly could, considering they blew the fuck out of the trade musket they were most likely using at the time.

>>654613

The frizzen on this gun is a pretty great idea for what you're looking for

>>664197

>>664205

I want them even if i do not understand them

>>678845

I relatively recently stumbled upon a site that sold what looked like high quality musket repros that wouldn't fire - unless a touch hole was drilled near the frizzen, by a licensed gunsmith only, of course. they were kind enough to provide an exact location of where your licensed gunsmith (only) should drill the hole.

of course, im a stupid bitch and lost the site. anyone here know about it? they were decently priced, relatively speaking, and seemed high quality.

In terms of blackpowder, I have an interest in pepperbox revolvers.

https://youtu.be/a5YB6dwl9rU

In Pennsylvania, I may still have to deal with bureaucracy such as the background check to purchase one.

bamp.

Can any cap and ball revolvers take two balls per cylinder "hole"?

>>679867

I found it for anyone interested - www.militaryheritage.com

>>684334

Go with the steel.

Plenty of ways for making black powder from scratch. What options are there caps/primers?

>>684334

>didn't exist historically

>brass frames will eventually destroy themselves

Steel.

Apparently later on you'll be able to directly buy one of these. Although making one doesn't seem to be that hard.

Can dry firing a Remington 1858 cause any damage to it?

>>685302

It might damage the nipples, but they are easily replaceable.. not sure about the hammer.

>>654359

>Bombs

What's the best for pipe bombs? Smokeless or black powder? I guess smokeless is much more powerful but I have seen in that hickok45 video that black powder burns much faster (check at 11:05).

If it's too slow gas is just gonna leak through the pierced cap, right?

I'm asking for my mom btw, she's playing minecraft…

>>685437

>Smokeless or black powder?

Why are you bothering with those when you could use an actual explosive? Just get some fertilizer.

>I guess smokeless is much more powerful but I have seen in that hickok45 video that black powder burns much faster (check at 11:05).

The burn rate of black powder is independent of pressure, therefore it burns the same way on the open as inside a vessel. Smokeless powder's burn rate increases at higher pressures, and burning it inside a vessel will obviously increase the pressure; therefore it burns completely differently if you just set it on fire outside of some kind of a vessel.

>>685439

>Just get some fertilizer.

I thought it was tricky to make. Do you have a pdf for that?

>>679878

I second that! There’s just something awesome looking about the Pepperbox, even though a Remington Beals is a lot more practical and reliable (although that pistol is among my favorite bp guns).

Before I clicked on the Youtube link that you posted, I knew it was going to be the Cap and Ball video of him shooting the Allen Thurber Pepperbox pistol. I’ve watched so many of that dude’s videos. He shoots a lot of the traditional and even more exotic percussion and firelock arms and that sets him apart from the others on Youtube. Ian over at the Forgotten Weapons channel will occasionally post videos of him shooting some exotic firearms, like the Ferguson Breechloader rifle.

>>685405

>This

Just buy some real percussion caps so you don’t damage the nipples/cones. You can keep the already “fired/popped” percussion caps on the nipples to keep the nipples covered so they don’t get damaged when the hammer falls on them while dry firing.

Black powder (kno3/s/c) is unstable, difficult to ignite, and breaks down into sulfuric acid and other things which will eat holes in your barrel when it burns.

You can keep it dry, handle it safely, throw it out/burn it when it gets old, and never let your fired weapons sit for more than a few hours before cleaning them, or you can just use pyrodex or some other substitute. Modern formulations definitely are better. You get better accuracy and fewer misfires/hangfires. Corrosion isn’t a big deal until the first time you get caught in a storm and other more urgent matters prevent you from cleaning your bore in a timely manner. Even if you do get some pitting in your barrel it’s no big deal. You can shoot inside a couple MOA with a bore that looks like a sewer pipe if you know how to handle a rifle. Your average $200 mail order powder rifle is not a priceless heirloom.

But… there really is no reason to deal with the hassles of true black powder in 2019. If you were really that hardcore you’d go scrape your own nitre off of cave walls but we know nobody here is doing that shit.

The best part of muzzleloading is not the authenticity of doing something that’s been obsolete for a hundred years. It’s that you can just order a gun and have it shipped right to you. And also possibly that extra week of hunting season before everyone else gets to go.

>>685525

Man I've used BP out on weeklong trips and the bore of my gun never rotted away.

>>685525

Blackpowder's enduring advantage to this day is long term storage. Smokeless powders degrade with age, blackpowder properly stored in a magazine can potentially improve with age. Considering how long smokeless can last, it isn't the biggest advantage out there, but at least it is one thing to consider.

The other major consideration of blackpowder is the fact that it is historically correct. Even if modern blackpowder is better than the old stuff, it still is, ya know, blackpowder. For those keeping history alive by shooting muzzle loaders traditionally, smokeless substitutes are betraying that value. "I bought a cheap muzzle loader to build and also for people to shoot so they know what a historical muzzle loading blackpowder gun is like" ends up with you wanting actual black powder. If you don't buy a cheapo fuck gun and buy a high end new blackpowder gun like a fine new fouler muzzle loader from a reputable company out of Northern Italy, you might want subsstitute for your brand new high end expensive muzzle loader to reduce corrosion risk, or you might say I spent $1,000 on a 10 bore muzzle loader of high end modern manufacture to shoot black powder muzzle loading so that's what I'm gonna fucking use. If you buy a working historical gun, like a muzzle loading percussion rifle you can buy on certain websites that is ~200 year old historical weaponry, are you REALLY going to put substitute in it?