1074f8 No.654359 [Last50 Posts]
>Cap & ball
>Flintlocks
>Classical cannons
>Bombs
>modern guns?
Law-fags, history-fags, and timetraveling-fags
Wherever you're from, welcome to the BMT
Whether you make black powder at home, buy it, or even if you use Pyrodex & 777, its all an important staple in guns, whether you know it or not
Black powder has been used longer than smokeless, but has almost been completely forgotten bar from those that can only use it
Even though black powder has still killed more than smokeless, it is only seen as a harmless sporting good & passed away by many fuds from it's true potential
>Have any of you anons made blackpowder at home? If so, would you share your experiences & recipes?
>Whats you favorite weapons that use blackpowder?
>Do any of you own a fucking cannon?
>How do you get around the time constraints of reloading?
>Have any of you made your own powderflasks?
>Whats your favorite piece you own?
>Tyrese give these niggas a volley ?
>What types of caps do you use?
>Conical or ball?
Affix bayonets & get to discussion
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510ea7 No.654360
What is the best overall, in regards to both cost and performance, bp revolver? And on that note, what is the optimal caliber for bp revolvers? The general understanding is that here's a max feasible velocity for bp, and so bigger ball = better, but I'm sure the physical size of the frame or the increasing amount of bp you have to carry around makes that debatable
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e6c81d No.654363
>modern guns
Howdy partner!
Seriously though, are there any other post-1968 cap and ball designs? I figured more companies would exploit that.
>>654360
Are you using real BP or a substitute that doesn't fowl as much?
Real BP? 1860
Sub? 1858. It's less reliable under heavy fowling but other superior.
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931ce8 No.654366
Daily reminder that Eurofags should get a black powder revolver if they cant get a gun licens
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a909a1 No.654383
>>654360
Anything by Uberti
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72543c No.654385
>>654363
>Seriously though, are there any other post-1968 cap and ball designs? I figured more companies would exploit that.
It's generally easier to made cartridge-firing guns, mainly because people are retarded and subconsciously try to blow up their guns and you have to compensate for that, see any shenanigans relating to the Savage 10M smokeless muzzleloading bolt action.
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145043 No.654578
>>654363
Off the top of my head, I know of the NAA Companion, Ruger Old Army, H&R Huntsman, Diablo 12 Gauge Pistol, Westlake Engineering .38 Special, and various inline percussion rifles and shotguns.
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ce276f No.654582
>>654359
>Even though black powder has still killed more than smokeless, it is only seen as a harmless sporting good & passed away by many fuds from it's true potential
No you nigger, it's not used because it doesn't create the same amounts of pressures, meaning you end up with a squib. Black powder can be extremely dangerous when used properly or improperly, but it's just not that good for modern firearms or uses. Is it better than a group of ground up match heads? Of course it is, but that's because it's refined for a specific purpose (which isn't lighting sticks of wood).
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baf464 No.654593
>>654582
Smokeless powder is for faggots
<smokeless
<high pressures blow up guns
<smokeless guns require expensive high quality metal just to survive
<loud sharp bang to overcompensate for the user's femininity
<shooters too afraid of being noticed by smoke because they can't fight like men
<only has 100 years of history and is ultimately unproven in the long run to be effective
<still makes smoke and is ashamed of it
>smokefull powder
>gentle yet forceful pressure even iron piping can handle
>gun could be made out of scrap and still function
>powerful drawn out boom intimidates enemies and asserts dominance to all within earshot
>shooters want to draw attention to everyone that they are the boss of the battlefield
>hundreds of years of history, has won mores wars than smokeless
>is proud of beautiful cloud of smoke
Smokeless powder more like smokedick powder
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145043 No.654613
For fun, I want to make a flintlock, but not a historical reproduction. I want to see if it's feasible to make a basic flintlock mechanism out of parts available at the hardware store, preferably minimizing the amount of machining required.
I envision it as a survivalist's gun, since you wouldn't need to make primers. It's said that as long as God makes rocks and chicken shit, you can shoot a blunderbuss. I want to make the blunderbuss for the modern poor, deranged hillbilly. Something made of scraps, like the guns from TM 31-210.
The barrel and stock are easy enough. Anybody got ideas on what parts I can use to recreate the mechanism? Needs a frizzen and pan, and hopefully a proper half-cock and something to hold the flint.
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1074f8 No.654618
>>654613
Maybe try using a openbolt style mechanism
Instead of a firingpin its flint, and where the chamber would be would just be a little frizzen-like funnel & a small chamber for black powder
Maybe also have some screw-on caps for pressure (not explosive caps, container caps)
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145043 No.654619
>>654618
Huh. I was considering the approach of altering the layout of the mechanism, but I'm not sure I follow what you're getting at with this design. What surface does the flint scrape to make the sparks?
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1074f8 No.654620
>>654619
In the red circle would be the frizzen-funnel
Its really not good at all, or useful, but depending on what you got, could be an easy creation
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baf464 No.654623
>>654618
Oh shit, I actually had a similar idea recently. Barrel is 1/2" cast iron pipe with a round piece of steel, partly drilled large for a shotgun primer, other part drilled small for the flame, threaded into the end cap of the pipe. Trigger is bent piece of steel with a leaf spring above it, that you push up. Push the trigger up, bolt flies forward, hits shotgun primer, fires gun
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1074f8 No.654642
>>654641
After you've put the nipples on, spread it on the nipples, preferably on the sides
You can also just treat it as bulletwax for the bullets side
You don't have to use nailpolish either, beeswax / paraffin wax are fine too
nailpolish lasts longer with a better seal
Make sure the nailpolish isn't too liquid, goopy is good
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72a11a No.654654
>>654642
Use Nailpolish on the Cylinder Opening, Where fat is supposed to be`
?
Answer that question
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df2669 No.654786
>>654654
You're both wrong, use a property sized bullet, slightly oversized so it shaves some off as it's rammed down, and you don't need to seal the front. I could not find a single historical mention of greasing the front of the cylinder. They fought the whole civil war with these guns and not one manual, or letter mentions greasing the front of the cylinder. That came around in the 1970's because they were using the wrong size caps and we're getting chainfires from the back side. Whenever you bring up they still got chainfires in the 70's with the grease, all the fudds fallback on "oh well it softens the fouling". Use proper sized caps, and if you have an uberti get new nipples, the factory ones aren't correctly sized.
Sealing the cap side from moisture is actually a good idea. Carry on.
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12cfb3 No.654787
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e6c81d No.654790
>>654787
Because that's a WW2 unit.
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3aac1d No.654802
>>654786
What The hell is The Cap side
Speak clearly
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c37c44 No.654830
>>654802
Cap side is where the caps are placed as opposed to the side where the ball goes because you're not using ready-made rounds, instead hand-loading before every shot.
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04c9b3 No.654852
>>654830
>>654830
You are speaking of the Nipple side are you not kid
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04c9b3 No.654853
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bcec53 No.654854
>>654853
yes, 70 is the amount of grains of it.
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04c9b3 No.654855
>>654854
Looking at Laws here
all weapons pre 1890 Can be bought WITHOUT LICENS WITHOUT REGISTRATION
Getting a BFR MAGNUM RESEARCH
Making your own Ammonition With Black powder
Black powder which is not Under regulation Aswell
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04c9b3 No.654858
>>654786
>>654854
>>654830
Are you people stupid if you use nailpolish on the primers possition the gun wont fire
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f84f8d No.655384
>>654363
I would very much like to see more of this, as well. Specifically guns designed around standardized shape smokeless pellets, with some primerless ignition system, pushing towards a 'self-loading muzzleloader'.
Here's an old (Popular Mechanics October 1967 issue) article about the short-lived Daisy V/L .22 caseless rifle, with a beautiful detail of the ignition system. Has there ever been any other gun designed to use any similar fire-piston/diesel ignition system? Could this be valuable today in alternative to electrical ignition systems?
Electrical ignition seems near ideal in most ways (especially actual function), but it is a much more complex system. There is also the general apprehension of electronics in firearm systems, which is only *nearly* entirely unreasonable.
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6c53da No.663188
>>654618
based on your design, there would be a lot of problems with repeating fire, the abrasive section would no longer contact the flint correctly after a few firings.
I actually might just strip down a zippo use the flint system it has and just make the trigger spin the wheel. it would look like a wheel lock internally, but it could mostly be concealed from the weather.
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2969a1 No.663374
>>654613
Use a spark plug.
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90b2ad No.663376
>>655384
ATF re-classified these as firearms and halted production. Originals are exempt but pricey and if you can find any new old-stock ammo it ain't cheap either. New production ammo is banned because it can be electronically ignited and the ATF considers electric ignited guns to be machine guns now. There's a few exceptions for certain .22 target pistols but they use cased ammo and are all single-shot bolt-action.
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145043 No.663381
>>663188
I considered this, but I'm still trying to figure out how I'd attach a lighter flint to a trigger without doing a fair amount of machine work. It could be doable, but I'm not sure how yet.
I'd imagine you could use a spring-loaded hammer to open a frizzen and strike the flint wheel at the same time, but I think you'd have to drill into that tiny wheel to attach something so you could reliably spin it.
>>663374
What I've seen suggests that it's actually pretty hard to ignite BP electrically, or else I'd be looking at piezo. I'm definitely not keen on needing batteries to shoot my gun.
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2b7f9c No.663418
>>663381
either make it a clock spring or use a "piston" and make a short drive chain to spin it with the trigger being a "lever" more than a trigger, I think there are a few toys that do this. you also might build a ratcheting "hammer."
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42092c No.663425
>>663381
I'd use an old stove sparker, think a zippo flint but on a footlong device.
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a686f2 No.663439
>>654613
Have you thought about a wheellock?
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4241d3 No.663446
>>663425
I've got one just like that from my dead grandmother.
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f8b517 No.663467
>>654366
Powder itself is still illegal to own without license, or at all in some countries. But true, you can make it with just fertilizer and some charcoal, although the former is again illegal or tracked in some countries. If you do any farm work you got plausible deniability if any police come knocking, though.
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2969a1 No.663590
>>663467
You can make potassium nitrate from compost if you have to.
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19d59c No.663593
>>663439
If you want to go that route, then an underhammer action might serve you better:
http://underhammers.blogspot.com/2012/06/underhammer-history-short-version.html
>As strange as it may seem, the underhammer principle has 18th century Germanic roots and was developed to improve flintlock ignition! At first thought that may seem rather ridiculous as anyone who has ever studied or fired a flintlock knows that the priming powder would simply fall out of a pan and frizzen mounted on the bottom of a rifle. And it is just that fact that resulted in instantaneous ignition in the new mechanism. When you think about it, it makes perfect sense…
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145043 No.663655
>>663425
Oh that's cool! Is there anything like that of more recent manufacture? Something I could pick up at the store? That could greatly simplify the build.
>>663467
Is that true for BP substitutes as well? In the US, my understanding is that true BP is classified as an explosive, but the substitutes aren't because they're less sensitive.
>>663593
This is interesting. I hadn't considered underhammer because I like the idea of being able to cock the hammer and try again if it misfires, but the article makes a good point, and I'll have to investigate the merits. Thanks.
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6c53da No.663679
>>663593
literally never heard of them. thanks anon.
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42092c No.663686
>>663446
I've only come to the attention of them from stalking abandoned woodland stuff.
>>663655
I don't have a proper name for it, all I know is they spark enough to set dry tinder alight.
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bcec53 No.663688
>>663590
Cody did make black powder out of his own piss, as if he was a proud Australian.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/09/25/making-gunpowder-from-urine-natural-materials/
>>663655
>Is there anything like that of more recent manufacture?
Check out ebay, it's the go-to for old stuff. For newer and useful old stuff chinks often produce that, that's how i got my safety razor.
>true BP is classified as an explosive
Wouldn't it be kinda dumb? It's just a propellant that is weaker than a basic ANFO.
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42092c No.663690
>>663688
BP still goes bang just like anything else. I'd hate to be the UPS man if my powders went up.
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0c1651 No.663750
What the fuck do you do when you get a squib on a muzzle loader?
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2dfb6d No.663751
>>663750
>>663750
Squeeze in powder into the cap plug and fire.
Or use the tool you get from the first page of google, faggot.
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5cd5bd No.663769
how are Uberti's manufacturing standards? I know I'm pretty much stuck with buying from them. God, they're so fucking sexy I don't even care if they're cobbled together chinesium
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3f8cc1 No.663773
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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0c1651 No.663793
>>663751
Sorry, I'm not eurocucked enough to need to know these things, kraut fag.
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145043 No.663827
>>663688
>weapons laws
>making any sense
Pick one.
>>663769
From what I hear, Uberti and Pietta are both fine. I hear Uberti may be slightly better, but I only have a Pietta. YMMV.
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045acf No.663831
>>663769
Inspect a Uberti before you buy, They're notorious for having an Arbor that's too short.
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c49933 No.664125
>>654359
I just read my country's gun laws and noticed that anything flintlock-operated is legal for every adult citizen.
Anyone got a good guide on constructing a backyard cannon foundry/some way to nigger-rig a cannon for automatic fire that'd still count as a flintlock-mechanism? Something like a large box above the barrel with a Lorenzoni mechanism that's somehow ŕecoil-operated maybe?
I'm thinking of mounting one to the back of a pickup as a type of horse car artillery, then haunt the Pannonian plains with a horde of these as a modern Attilla the Hun.
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f84f8d No.664131
>>663376
>ATF considers electric ignited guns to be machine guns now
Source? I don't believe this. There have been a few commercial electric ignition guns since the V/L (CVA Electra and a few other custom electric muzzleloaders, Voere Vec-91, Remington EtronX)
The V/L was declared a firearm because the caseless round was decided to be 'fixed ammunition', and/or just because it wasn't a 'muzzleloader'. There shouldn't be any issue if the charge is detached as a pellet, and it's actually a muzzleloader (or 'muzzleloader' revolver). Daisy discontinued it supposedly because they didn't want to get licensed, probably really as much because it hadn't been selling well to begin with.
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f84f8d No.664134
>>663381
http://ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments.html
you have probably seen this, but just in case, this guy has made his own electrically fired BP and smokeless guns, and details his R&D process and exactly what it took.
>>663425
>>663655
This is one reason I'm interested in the Daisy V/L >>655384. Its diesel/fire-piston igniter seems like it might have potential.
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0134c7 No.664197
>>664134
hmmmm, how legally grey is a semi-auto muzzle loader
the system could use a number of electronically fired barrels in a block that have a built in bridge wire within the barrel, and as the barrel contacts an electrical source it fires, then vented gas would cycle to the next barrel (like a typewriter maybe? also muzzle loaded) and the barrel disconnects the power as it rotates, so in effect you could have it semi auto (this could be adapted to select fire) basically like that stupid volley gun that that guy had at shot show to show off caseless ammo, but you use barrel bricks instead of magazines that fire small pellets.
would purely be a proof of concept/ squirrelpocalypse doomsday weapon or for pest removal, where you COULD use an airgun, but why not use a cyberpunk muzzleloader?
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f84f8d No.664204
>>664197
or just make it a 'muzzleloading' auto-revolver. like pic related, an actual antique cap-and-ball autorevolver from 1863. for a modernized (and more legally grey) version, you could put magazines ahead of the cylinder (two separate ones, for propellant pellets and bullets), maybe even with push-through loading. an integrated suppressor should also be ATF-approved for this 'antique' (eg. maxim50), assuming you can work out a gas seal. MAYBE even automatic fire - the rationale for denying known pre-1899 machine guns antique status may have been for their having been cartridge guns?
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f84f8d No.664205
>>664204
whoops, messed one up, and forgot the carbine version (from 1855?), which MAY have actually had (in some particular units) a deliberate full-auto fire mode. which would make it the earliest known machine gun. totally unclear if it actually did or not.
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e6c81d No.664209
>>664204
"Antique Firearm" explicitly excluded machine guns and explosives since the NFA's inception in 1934.
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0a4f95 No.664316
>>664205
What fun is that on the bottom? Name
And what in the world does that circle do?
It auto loads the revolver with new ammo?
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f84f8d No.664326
>>664316
filenames, anon. they're both 'Mershon and Hollingsworth' revolver / carbine. the round part on the revolver holds the clock spring which drives the action. of course today we'd probably use a recoil action.
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145043 No.664488
>>664134
>this guy has made his own electrically fired BP and smokeless guns
Yeah, I think I've seen that project before, which is why I don't think I can electrically ignite BP without a battery.
>diesel/fire-piston igniter seems like it might have potential
You may have a point. I'll have to look into the feasibility, but I suspect it'll be harder to garage-build than a flintlock, on account of the tight tolerances needed to seal the piston and whatnot.
>>664204
>>664205
Mershon & Hollingsworths tickle my steampunk boner.
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0134c7 No.664517
>>664488
>I don't think I can electrically ignite BP without a battery.
what about a booster composition that acts as a primary explosive with pic related?
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4fdc8f No.664520
>>664326
So it's a literal clockwork gun? That's pretty cool.
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145043 No.664521
>>664517
Hmmm. Possible, though not ideal.
I'm trying to design a gun that can be built at the hardware store and kept running almost indefinitely with rocks and chicken shit.
Your suggestion works pretty well for a more urban survivalist approach, though, and so is a worthwhile consideration as a variant. To be fair, the same might be said for the battery-powered version.
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6b8e5d No.664537
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
weren't the early bolt action guns black powder?
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045acf No.664538
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bb418e No.664631
>>664538
Where do you put the black powder in that
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d24cc1 No.664633
>>664631
It's uses a paper cartridge.
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42092c No.664644
>>664631
Picture related, though its for a french gun.
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356362 No.664656
>>664538
>>664537
The needle rifle is a 1840's invention that uses paper cartridges, but even brass cases were loaded with black powder up until the lebel was adopted by the french.
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942c8a No.665658
>>664656
What's a cheap 1840-60 rifle that you can hunt with as in pic related
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c62ee1 No.665674
>>665658
Flintlock or percussion? Track of the wolf stocks several but most of them are going to be handmade so prices vary. Traditions also makes both flint and percussion for more reasonable prices.
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b07d08 No.665677
you can buy a BP revolver without "gun" paperworks, then buy a cyl that allows common 38spl ammo. Ends up costing about same as SA cheap revolver, and doubt any store would sell BP revolver without at least checking/recording ID but who knows.
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942c8a No.665679
>>665674
Whatever is faster to reload
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b07d08 No.665680
stupid question:
can I reload 38/357 with Black Powder (for shits and giggles)? This would be for recent production Ruger Blackhawk and/or Puma Lever Action rifle.
Will it make a huge mess to clean?
Does anyone use BP for Cowboy Action Shooting?
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bed3f0 No.665681
>>665658
I don't want to be a dick, but a Sharp's Rifle in .45-70 Government is what the Mountain Man in your picture is using. You can get them in Black Powder, but understand that they are more expensive than some of the lever action raifus in a "big game" caliber like 45-70 which can be as little as $500-675 as opposed to $1300+ for the same look in BP. Other BP rifles are far cheaper, but they don't have that "post miquelet musket" look.
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bcec53 No.665682
>>665680
You definitely can with 357, i assume with 38 as well. Interestingly, you can even do that with .45ACP. There's plenty of info on that, even yt videos.
>Will it make a huge mess to clean?
Well, have you ever shot bp guns?
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118bc8 No.665693
>>665681
Is that only pellet and black powder gun or does it need a cartridge
Give me names of these 4 guns
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045acf No.665703
>>665680
>can I reload 38/357 with Black Powder
.38 special was originally a black powder cartridge. but was changed to smokeless during it's first year or two of production. But for reference, you can load almost any cartridge with black powder provided you know how black powder works. It's has a significantly lower pressure curve than most smokeless powders. Just understand though that you load it differently from smokeless. With black powder, you either fill the case and seat a bullet allowing it to compress the powder a little, or use a filler. You do not want any gaps of air with black powder.
>>665693
The bottom rifle is a Ruger No.1
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118bc8 No.665705
>>665703
>>665703
Nah modern weapons is not for this thread
What I asked for is those 1300$+ muskets used by mountain men
Send those kid
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bed3f0 No.665715
>>665693
>>665705
Kek. You really want those eh? Those are all .45-70 Government Sharps Rifles of various models. I personally recommend you get the 1895 lever-action Marlin in .45-70. However, if you want to look at a whole bunch of historical replicas/rebuilds/repros/etc. then take a look at this site. You should choose one you like the best, then try to find it cheaper and independently online. They come in BP and Cartridges of course.
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/guns-rifles.asp/l_en/partenza_0/idl_2/rifles/rifles.html
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045acf No.665719
>>665705
>1300$+ mountain man muskets
The golden age of fur trapping was the 1820s-1840s. it'd depend on what you really wanted, if you want early mountain man, you'd be looking at smoothbore flintlocks, by the mid 1830s it shifted for the most part to rifled percussion guns, The most famous being Hawkens rifles. who made both full stocked flintlocks and half stocked percussion guns.
Pedersoli is about as good as it gets without buying a custom rifle. https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/guns-for-sale-pedersoli.asp?l=en They have distributors all over the US and Euroland
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42092c No.665825
>>665719
Mountain men were pretty much using rifles in the early 1700's. Daniel Boone smoked some dumb bong at 250+ with one.
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d8e3bc No.665834
>>654359
>Anons make fun of these weapons and so on.
>They stay.
>I mock those making fun of them.
>I get banned.
Fuck /k/ vols.
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045acf No.665839
>>665825
No. Rifles were expensive as shit and stayed confined to Pennsylvania (Where Danial Boone was from) Parts of Virginia, Northern NC (a place where Danial Boone and a bunch of Other Pennsylvanians congregated) and the Kantucks (another place Danial Boone brought Pennsylvanians) relatively cheap large diameter smooth bores were the predominant gun of the long hunters. Daniel Boone could afford a rifle because he not only started off fairly affluent, being the son of a blacksmith, but also because he made a shitload of money later in life off surveying and land speculation. That is till he fucked up royally in Kentucky. which he never recovered from.
Also, Mountain Men didn't exist until a bit before the beaver fur trade along the Mississippi. What you're thinking of was long hunters. Similar in that they went off into the woods for large stretches of time, but different in both the amount of money they made and how they operated. Mountain Men were Company slaves who Racked up a shitload of debt buying supplies and spent the rest of the year trapping in demand pelts to work it off, only to rack up a shitload of more debt at the next Company sponsored Rendezvous. It wasn't until beaver really took off did these people switch to predominantly rifles, which by the 1830s had become a lot cheaper compared to the artisan works of the Jaeger and Long rifles that preceded them.
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42092c No.665851
>>665839
>long hunters
Yes. That is what I'm thinking of and from my understanding they tended to get their hands on a rifle as soon as they possibly could, considering they blew the fuck out of the trade musket they were most likely using at the time.
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1074f8 No.667912
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>654613
The frizzen on this gun is a pretty great idea for what you're looking for
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d6acd8 No.678845
>>664197
>>664205
I want them even if i do not understand them
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5cd5bd No.679867
>>678845
I relatively recently stumbled upon a site that sold what looked like high quality musket repros that wouldn't fire - unless a touch hole was drilled near the frizzen, by a licensed gunsmith only, of course. they were kind enough to provide an exact location of where your licensed gunsmith (only) should drill the hole.
of course, im a stupid bitch and lost the site. anyone here know about it? they were decently priced, relatively speaking, and seemed high quality.
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059e75 No.679878
In terms of blackpowder, I have an interest in pepperbox revolvers.
https://youtu.be/a5YB6dwl9rU
In Pennsylvania, I may still have to deal with bureaucracy such as the background check to purchase one.
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992c8c No.683107
bamp.
Can any cap and ball revolvers take two balls per cylinder "hole"?
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ccec7b No.683118
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5cd5bd No.683346
>>679867
I found it for anyone interested - www.militaryheritage.com
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2fd225 No.684334
Are brass frame Remington 1858 good or should I go with a steel frame?
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153257 No.684339
>>684334
Go with the steel.
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e6c912 No.684344
Plenty of ways for making black powder from scratch. What options are there caps/primers?
>>684334
>didn't exist historically
>brass frames will eventually destroy themselves
Steel.
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706120 No.684398
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Apparently later on you'll be able to directly buy one of these. Although making one doesn't seem to be that hard.
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b3de09 No.685302
Can dry firing a Remington 1858 cause any damage to it?
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4d208d No.685405
>>685302
It might damage the nipples, but they are easily replaceable.. not sure about the hammer.
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1a2dd4 No.685437
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>>654359
>Bombs
What's the best for pipe bombs? Smokeless or black powder? I guess smokeless is much more powerful but I have seen in that hickok45 video that black powder burns much faster (check at 11:05).
If it's too slow gas is just gonna leak through the pierced cap, right?
I'm asking for my mom btw, she's playing minecraft…
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5f85c9 No.685439
>>685437
>Smokeless or black powder?
Why are you bothering with those when you could use an actual explosive? Just get some fertilizer.
>I guess smokeless is much more powerful but I have seen in that hickok45 video that black powder burns much faster (check at 11:05).
The burn rate of black powder is independent of pressure, therefore it burns the same way on the open as inside a vessel. Smokeless powder's burn rate increases at higher pressures, and burning it inside a vessel will obviously increase the pressure; therefore it burns completely differently if you just set it on fire outside of some kind of a vessel.
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e8d8f0 No.685441
>>685439
>Just get some fertilizer.
I thought it was tricky to make. Do you have a pdf for that?
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70fa5b No.685500
>>654855
>>663188
That’s a good idea, however, it’s not an original one. The ignition system on a cig lighter was copied from the exact ignition system of a wheel lock gun that was invented back at the turn of the 16th century. It was more reliable than any of the other flintlock or matchlock designs, had immediate ignition instead of the infamous “woods-bang” effect of the Firelock and the matchlocks, and there were even some breach-loader wheel locks as early as 1513. The only issue with the wheel locks back then was that they were very costly to manufacture. An absolute joy to shoot if you ever get the rare chance to fire one.
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70fa5b No.685507
>>679878
I second that! There’s just something awesome looking about the Pepperbox, even though a Remington Beals is a lot more practical and reliable (although that pistol is among my favorite bp guns).
Before I clicked on the Youtube link that you posted, I knew it was going to be the Cap and Ball video of him shooting the Allen Thurber Pepperbox pistol. I’ve watched so many of that dude’s videos. He shoots a lot of the traditional and even more exotic percussion and firelock arms and that sets him apart from the others on Youtube. Ian over at the Forgotten Weapons channel will occasionally post videos of him shooting some exotic firearms, like the Ferguson Breechloader rifle.
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70fa5b No.685512
>>685405
>This
Just buy some real percussion caps so you don’t damage the nipples/cones. You can keep the already “fired/popped” percussion caps on the nipples to keep the nipples covered so they don’t get damaged when the hammer falls on them while dry firing.
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70fa5b No.685516
>>683346
>>654359
Fuck BP substitutes! Just stick with traditional BP and season all of the bores of your firearms with Bore Butter. I swear by my ballsack that this stuff is fucking amazing! I can clean any of my BP revolvers and all of my muskets way faster than I can clean my AR-15 or my 1911’s. Bore Butter keeps the barrel seasoned so that the fowling is kept soft throughout the entirety of shooting the gun, the fowling is kept at a low amount even thought the firearm has fired many rounds, and the barrel becomes much more resistant to corrosion. Highly recommend.
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941724 No.685525
Black powder (kno3/s/c) is unstable, difficult to ignite, and breaks down into sulfuric acid and other things which will eat holes in your barrel when it burns.
You can keep it dry, handle it safely, throw it out/burn it when it gets old, and never let your fired weapons sit for more than a few hours before cleaning them, or you can just use pyrodex or some other substitute. Modern formulations definitely are better. You get better accuracy and fewer misfires/hangfires. Corrosion isn’t a big deal until the first time you get caught in a storm and other more urgent matters prevent you from cleaning your bore in a timely manner. Even if you do get some pitting in your barrel it’s no big deal. You can shoot inside a couple MOA with a bore that looks like a sewer pipe if you know how to handle a rifle. Your average $200 mail order powder rifle is not a priceless heirloom.
But… there really is no reason to deal with the hassles of true black powder in 2019. If you were really that hardcore you’d go scrape your own nitre off of cave walls but we know nobody here is doing that shit.
The best part of muzzleloading is not the authenticity of doing something that’s been obsolete for a hundred years. It’s that you can just order a gun and have it shipped right to you. And also possibly that extra week of hunting season before everyone else gets to go.
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153257 No.685540
>>685525
Man I've used BP out on weeklong trips and the bore of my gun never rotted away.
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ea382b No.685541
>>685525
Blackpowder's enduring advantage to this day is long term storage. Smokeless powders degrade with age, blackpowder properly stored in a magazine can potentially improve with age. Considering how long smokeless can last, it isn't the biggest advantage out there, but at least it is one thing to consider.
The other major consideration of blackpowder is the fact that it is historically correct. Even if modern blackpowder is better than the old stuff, it still is, ya know, blackpowder. For those keeping history alive by shooting muzzle loaders traditionally, smokeless substitutes are betraying that value. "I bought a cheap muzzle loader to build and also for people to shoot so they know what a historical muzzle loading blackpowder gun is like" ends up with you wanting actual black powder. If you don't buy a cheapo fuck gun and buy a high end new blackpowder gun like a fine new fouler muzzle loader from a reputable company out of Northern Italy, you might want subsstitute for your brand new high end expensive muzzle loader to reduce corrosion risk, or you might say I spent $1,000 on a 10 bore muzzle loader of high end modern manufacture to shoot black powder muzzle loading so that's what I'm gonna fucking use. If you buy a working historical gun, like a muzzle loading percussion rifle you can buy on certain websites that is ~200 year old historical weaponry, are you REALLY going to put substitute in it?
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