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There's no discharge in the war!

File: e756076d2019688⋯.jpg (890.31 KB,2600x1100,26:11,KAR 98k.jpg)

8a9c7d No.650786 [Last50 Posts]

Alright /k/iggers

Whats the best bolt action rifle?

I see a lot talk about bolt actions as one of the perfect guns, and with reason too

Nugget, SMLE, Kar98, Remington, ArcticWarfare, CheyTac, etc

In you opinion, whats the best?

Also

If you could make the perfect bolt action, what would it be?

Would it have a fixed mag? If it had a mag, would it be a rock in, or a straight? Would it have a stripperclip guide, or would it not even need one? Would you have rails for optics & mall-ninja shit? Would it have a bayonet or would it have bayonet? You have no choice in having a bayonet or not

My opinion?

I don't really have one

I do really like bolt actions for how simple they are, so I don't like how most can't be taken down & totally stripped easily, no tools is the best in guns

I like the SMLE, I wish the stocks were longer though, fucking stubby brit arms, I know chickenwings were popular, but god damn, gimme an inch

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e4d9f4 No.650790

The best military bolt action ever made, considering all factors and use cases, was the M1917 Enfield.

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fc6020 No.650802

Any with a Mauser™ action.

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768c27 No.650812

the best bolt action is the one that has killed the most communists

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bde013 No.650816

>>650812

But Mosin-Nagant action is not the best bolt action.

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768c27 No.650817

>>650816

Wasn't it just the winter war were it was used against commies?

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bde013 No.650818

>>650817

No, you're forgetting the most common cause of communist casualty - communism. Even not counting the civil war where Mosin was the main service rifle communism will still outnumber any other causes by a large margin.

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d182be No.650819

File: 39ae4d1704a36e0⋯.png (569.77 KB,866x355,866:355,ClipboardImage.png)

M40

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8a9c7d No.650820

File: 9ccb5e082c716f6⋯.jpg (331.21 KB,1632x1224,4:3,rifle.jpg)

How does /k/ feel about pistolgrips on bolt actions?

You never really see those on them

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768c27 No.650822

File: 600b2ace6f57a95⋯.jpg (137.67 KB,1500x1000,3:2,M98 Magnum.jpg)

File: fbcad7cbc5d6d05⋯.jpg (506.88 KB,1559x1169,1559:1169,Mauser 66S .308.jpg)

>>650820

>pistolgrips on bolt actions

Unnecessary and most importantly fucking disgusting

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8a9c7d No.650823

>>650822

I actually kinda would like to have a lefthanded bolthandle on a right ejecting rifle & have a pistolgrip on it

That way you can righthand the gun & cycle lefthanded, and keep dead perfect aim

The pistolgrip would help with keeping the rifle steady & give more leverage for cycling

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b3be30 No.650824

>>650820

They look like shit.

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73b68a No.650827

File: cd4b89f242a9ded⋯.webm (13.29 MB,450x360,5:4,Shorty_Grip_Repeating_Rif….webm)

This is obviously the best I'm kidding, but I still want one

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527866 No.650829

File: 4e8f40d7addfd24⋯.jpg (2.03 MB,5616x3744,3:2,M1_carbin_with_folding_sto….jpg)

Mauser Gewehr 98. Is there even any doubt?

Mauser still produces them.

https://www.mauser.com/m98.html

>>650820

They look good on the M1 carbine, but that isn't a bolt action.

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56e0bd No.650830

File: 57a7111ad718001⋯.png (3.1 MB,1288x966,4:3,Saka.png)

>>650786

Arisaka but accepts the general standard magazine of caliber and maybe have a cut out on the side for the use of a side mounted scope. Other than that rifle is perfect. 7.7 jap fits into a M14 magazine nicely.

>>650822

But you've posted rifles with semi-pistol grips.

>>650829

Sporting Mausers are breddy boring rifles. Tell whoever owns the Mauser name to start cranking out G98's that don't have a retarded zero of 400 some odd yards.

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b00502 No.650831

File: 5f95e10ed6b1185⋯.png (76.51 KB,234x200,117:100,5f95e10ed6b11856570401c742….png)

>>650827

>grip safety is totally new

I mean, shit, the M1911 wasn't even the first pistol to use a grip safety but it's one of the easiest examples of the concept in action.

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8a9c7d No.650832

>>650831

It was new because you could lift it up in a weird way, locking the whole thing

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ba5a15 No.650839

>>650830

Wait are you implying you've used M14 mags with your Arisaka?

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56e0bd No.650840

>>650839

I've played with a 7.7 barrel on an M14.

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9d28e2 No.650850

>>650840

That's pretty rad

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b00502 No.650853

>>650832

Yeah? I lift my hand in a weird way when I hit the slide release and it turns the damn safety on, locking the whole thing up.. Do I go around advertising my palms as a slick new invention? Fuck no.

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031c75 No.650855

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>650786

If I had to pick an existing one, then it has to be the MAS-36. Maybe rechambered for 7.62 NATO to use a more common ammunition.

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8747fd No.650883

>>650790

Thread ended here.

>>650802

But anon, what IS a Mauser action? Dual locking lugs had been a thing before Mauser, the only significant additions he made were the claw extractor which is a pain in the dick to replace and the shroud at the rear which is only good in the case of bad ammunition.

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56e0bd No.650966

>>650855

So in otherwords a F1/F2 rifle.

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031c75 No.650968

File: faeda62ca97f3ba⋯.jpg (117.71 KB,920x508,230:127,MAS 36.jpg)

>>650966

No, because those have detachable box magazines that can't be reloaded with chargers due to the position of the scope. If I have a bolt-action rifle then I'd rather not bother with magazines at all. Also, the MAS-36/51 can launch rifle grenades, and that can be useful if you somehow happen to have a box of them.

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031c75 No.650970

File: b17da3513715528⋯.jpg (153.84 KB,1200x549,400:183,MAS-36-51-Looksie.jpg)

File: dc5973c276c8dab⋯.jpg (154.47 KB,1200x549,400:183,no material.jpg)

>>650968

And now that I took a look at it again, I've remembered something that bothered me for a while. I know that locking lugs at the rear are a bit weaker, but they still work fine. Still, it looks like that all bolt-action rifles with them seem to have no material between the lugs and the barrel. I think the pictures should tell you what I mean. Is that correct, or am I missing something?

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56e0bd No.650989

>>650968

>>650970

From that picture I learned my mag pouch is actually a grenade holding pouch. Also its forged from one piece it'll hold.

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2e50f9 No.651019

I know it's turned into a meme but I really like the K31.

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ea0aec No.651021

>>650970

Think back to your Statics class. Assuming the bolt acts like a rigid body, a force applied at the bolt face is the same as a force applied at the locking lugs.

The problem with rear locking lugs then is that the entire receiver has to bear the brunt of the force instead of just the barrel extension.

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e0f1e6 No.651040

File: 844625089d32217⋯.jpg (42.65 KB,938x333,938:333,More than enough to kill a….jpg)

>>650970

>all bolt-action rifles with them seem to have no material between the lugs and the barrel

The MAS-36 receiver might be strong enough because of all the extra steel below the bolt. The Swiss 1889 (where the load on the opening in the locking sleeve was the biggest problem) and 1896 (which still has quite a long distance between barrel and lugs) type actions don't have much material removed in that area. I don't know anything about the others.

>>651021

I think he was asking why they still work even with that problem, not why it's a problem.

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de8578 No.651103

>>650790

>considering all factors and use cases, was the M1917 Enfield.

this.

SMLE gets points for 10 round mag and rear locking lugs + cock on close making it a fast action, but

M1917 enfield can be loaded to 7, has cock on close action, is in a better caliber, is just a rock fucking solid rifle

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09dfeb No.651104

The best bolt action is the one you can feed and get plenty of practice with.

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0558f8 No.651151

>>651103

>not P13

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de8578 No.651350

>>651151

>wanting .276 enfield

>lose round of capacity for a cartridge thats just a shitty version of 7mm mauser

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6bf93f No.651690

>>651350

Not only that Mauser sued them for stealing the designs but after losing the war US of AIDS didn't give a fuck.

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1eceb1 No.652512

>>651040

>I think he was asking why they still work even with that problem, not why it's a problem.

Indeed. People tend to claim that more locking lugs make a rifle more accurate, and I that made me wonder how that affects these rifles. Does it matter if you take e.g. a Lee-Enfield and give it an AR-style bolt head with 8 lugs instead of the original 2? So, would that make the action any stronger or more accuare?

inb4: I know that accuracy is all about repeating the same process without any changes, so it has more to do with precision that with simply putting more lugs to the bolt head.

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2cbe40 No.652850

File: d69229c0698841c⋯.webm (209.75 KB,480x270,16:9,r u retarded.webm)

>>650855

>>650968

>>650970

>>651040

>MAS-36

>Rear-locking lugs

>best bolt-action

No

And also: Are you mentally retarded?

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a52394 No.652923

>>650822

funny. what you posted is actually referred to as a pistol grip, as it's styled after a pistol grip.

they're both fine.

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a52394 No.652924

>>650855

go FR-8 instead, it's cooler

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1fdc8e No.652950

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>652850

Do you have a single argument against rear-locking lugs, Abdul?

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de8578 No.652954

>>652512

>People tend to claim that more locking lugs make a rifle more accurate, and I that made me wonder how that affects these rifles. Does it matter if you take e.g. a Lee-Enfield and give it an AR-style bolt head with 8 lugs instead of the original 2? So, would that make the action any stronger or more accuare?

More locking lugs does not in itself increase accuracy. A rifle redesigned around more or beefier locking lugs will likely be more accurate because:

1. More lugs means better indexing (also better indexing in comparison to friction)

2. Beefier locking lugs will flex less and you will have more repeatable lockup in addition to more reliable indexing.

The mere presence of more lugs does not necessarily improve (it might actually detract because of less locking surface)

But a redesign accommodating more, stronger lugs, will probably give better performance.

Considering the Lee-Enfield in particular, the primary downsides to the design are

1. split bridge (the channel that the bolt rides in is open at the top, like a mosin, as opposed to a mauser)

2. only two locking lugs and sort of an emergency lug

Rear locking lugs actually reduce the bolt throw and if done properly increase reliability, speed, and possibly safety in the case of over charged cartridge.

>>652950

this kaiserlich und königlich rifle shows you can do rear locking lugs and have a solid bridge which makes for a much stronger action.

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ca981b No.652959

Best bolt action in general would probably be the K31.

Best rotary-bolt would probably just be some derivative of the M1917. They're ugly little guns (nobody will ever convince me that those massive sight hoods aren't hideous), but I've never heard anybody actually say anything bad about their performance.

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9771d6 No.652964

The Gewehr 98 is the best bolt-action rifle ever.

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85a3b7 No.653051

Does anyone know of a decent bolt action .22 that takes down and has a 5+ round magazine?

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b8ec17 No.653125

>>651019

How has my Swiss raifu turned into a meme?

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7fd1dc No.653126

File: 374ff26b01694c9⋯.jpg (48.86 KB,600x600,1:1,1_ta006057_600.jpg)

Kar98K

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9771d6 No.653241

I find it amazing that at the beginning of the 20th century the bolt-action rifle was state of the art, cutting edge tech and at the end the assault rifle was the standard issue weapon. What will we have in 2099?

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78d3a4 No.653246

>>653241

Weaponized diversity rape

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0f49e6 No.653267

>>653246

We already have that! England wins again!!!

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126bb1 No.653269

>>653241

>What will we have in 2099?

tactical airdrop of HRT

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63cfcc No.654825

>>652954

>Rear locking lugs actually reduce the bolt throw

I might be a bit obtuse, but why is that? Isn't the lenght of the bolt basically the same as the lenght of the cartridge and the thickness of the locking lugs?

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ea395c No.654837

>>653267

I CONQUERED ALL THE CHIPPIES

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5f3def No.654877

>>650827

Kinda overengineered, but very cool. Grip safeties like that freak me out a bit, but there again this isn't the kind of thing you'd be issuing to people(or using) in scenarios where it could be grabbed at or something. Also that ad has enough 80s/90s infomercial autism to make it worth saving.

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d7386f No.654884

File: fba216d71bf480f⋯.png (883.39 KB,1228x1902,614:951,w r k.png)

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754a34 No.654886

>>654825

I think its because for standard lugs the bolt has to travel the length of the the cartridge + the distance from the end of the magazine to the lug recess. With rear lugs you could hypothetically have the lug recess right up against the rear of the magazine and the feed ramp against the front, removing the length of the lug recess from the total length of travel. I don't have an example of this, but maybe someone here more knowledgeable than I might.

Is bolt throw supposed to mean the total length of bolt travel or the angle of rotation to unlock the bolt? I've heard it used to describe both, but I think length is supposed to be "bolt throw" and rotation "bolt lift."

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a482e1 No.654932

Springfield was most desired WW2 sniper rifle EVEN BY THE GERMANS even though it was almost exact copy of their own Mauser. Mauser was a bit dated by the time Springfield 1903, so there were a few minor tweaks, and IIRC the 30.06 is more "inherently accurate" than the 7.92 Mauser.

But today, I'd LIKE maybe the Ruger 357 little bolt action, or CZ full stock in 308. But if I really needed to "make meat" I guess I'd go with Tika lightweight in 308 or 270.

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27091c No.654934

>>654932

>M1903 Springfield

>exact copy of Kar98k

>30.06

>the Ruger

>.357 Magnum bolt action

>CZ full stock

>two different full size rifles in .308 apparently do different damage

>Tika

>.270 Winchester somehow more powerful than .308 Winchester

Jesus Christ this was painful to read, please go back to Reddit

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56e0bd No.654941

>>654932

More of a copy of an 1893 Mauser.

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0c4412 No.654951

>>654932

>Springfield was most desired WW2 sniper rifle EVEN BY THE GERMANS

Doubt.jpg

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27091c No.654958

>>654951

Well, the M1903 was the most accurate service rifle in use when it was adopted, and that was owed at long range largely to its target-style iron sights compared to a Mauser's much simpler rear notch, but it was by no means a 'sniper rifle' by itself and the ones selected for sniper duty weren't much better than the normal rifles, which was true of every military's sharpshooters at the time. They just used top-shelf infantry rifles with scopes put on. .30-06 is also a more powerful and flatter shooting round than 8mm Mauser, which might be where that guy gets his "inherently more accurate" claim, but overall he's just a moron.

All that considered, I would rather have an M1D or a Gewehr 43 than a Springfield, since they had basically the same accuracy as the infantry bolt actions (3-4 MOA) but there's something to be said about the lesser recoil and easier follow-up shots of a self-loading rifle. The G43 wasn't a very reliable rifle in poor conditions or after fouling, though… so a Garand DMR is probably the all-around best choice. A very expensive rifle, however.

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5524e3 No.654965

>>654934

>"damage"

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56e0bd No.654970

>>654958

The 1903's battle setting on the leaf zero'd in at 547 yards, just as retarded as the G98's 400m battle zero. Garands have a real bad problem with dirt which was never rectified with the adoption of the M14 and the offset mount leaves much to be desired. G43's don't exactly have a problem with dirt, more so its the unadjustable gas system shattering op rods and bashing the shit out of the receiver until it cracks.

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63cfcc No.654971

File: 2e9832a1278187a⋯.jpg (64.16 KB,800x542,400:271,Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-567….jpg)

>>654970

Amd what about best raifu?

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525ae7 No.654982

>>654971

The only problem was it’s perfection. Nothing the krauts could do to make it better so they banished it after the war.

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56e0bd No.654994

>>654971

More or less the problems with the FG42 came from just being complicated, most of those problems carried over to the M60.

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525ae7 No.654995

>>654994

Shut your dirty faggot mouth. Just because you have a nigger level IQ doesn’t mean you can run your mouth. You’re probably some coastal or city dweling faggot, if you’re not Q*ebecois subhuman.

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56e0bd No.654998

>>654995

You may call me a dirty frenchman but it does not detract from the truth of the matter. If I recall it didn't last long in swiss service.

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8747fd No.655000

File: b315464f83780f4⋯.jpg (42.49 KB,354x385,354:385,1418787381461.jpg)

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27091c No.655014

>>654965

That was the point, moron. Congrats on your 20 IQ.

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525ae7 No.655019

>>654998

But I love her, don’t you know I know she’s flawed? You didn’t have to point it out anon. Some men are happy in our delusion…

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8e7d7f No.655020

File: 1225fdf1670f8a4⋯.jpg (196.48 KB,1280x927,1280:927,tumblr_oxvlkhOJFu1tmp9m0o1….jpg)

The best military bolt rifle around during WW2 was either the M1917 Enfield or the Ross. Both were excellent bolt guns and the Ross continued to see service with snipers after it was replaced.

The Type 38 and 99 Arisaka rifles were also bretty gud.

All bolt action rifles were made obsolescent when the Garand and other self-loaders started getting adopted.

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a482e1 No.655021

>>654958

I'll go with the options of elite Nazi snipers who could put scopes on both Spring or any German rifle.

In WW2, sniper rifles of standard caliber were the "pick of the litter" and picked after an expert tested a few standard issue guns.

Springy were the shit, no doubt due to post Mauser improvements as well as luxurious peacetime pre-war US manufacturing.

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525ae7 No.655022

>>655020

>Ian “Cleaner of Karl’s Cock’s Cum” McCuckold

>tumblr filename

>spaces between sentences of the same topic/not paragraphs

How about you head right back to reddit or cuckchan?

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43ada9 No.655399

File: 3e7637333d8f193⋯.jpg (30.5 KB,480x360,4:3,FG 42, first model Stg 51,….jpg)

>>654994

The main problem of the M60 is that it was designed by people who never had to use it outside of a firing range. And it also wore out quickly. But I really can't see how it's complicated. What were the issues with the FG-42?

>>654998

>If I recall it didn't last long in swiss service.

From what I can gather, the Swiss made some prototypes based on the FG-42, then they went for the Stg-45's system in the Stg-57. In other words, they did play around with that system, but it was never in actual service.

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8747fd No.655419

>>655399

>But I really can't see how it's complicated.

>What were the issues with the FG-42?

The request required the rifle to weigh about as much as a K98k, which meant they had to slim the rifle down as much as they possibly could. While wartime production wasn't in panic mode just yet and it's a lot more resilient than the Sturmgewehr, this means it's got snug tolerances, a very thin receiver, and a buttstock that may as well be balsa wood.

It was more complicated in how they slapped everything into such a dainty rifle and not the individual ideas themselves, like its firemode changing from open bolt full-auto to closed bolt semi-auto at the flip of a switch, the buffer system in the buttstock, the fact that they even put a bayonet on it, and a standardized(?) scope mount just begged for problems from a WW2 Germany as with all things they made. Too much potential for things to go wrong but even if it was fucked it went to the field anyway

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8b77a8 No.655420

>>655022

ITT: we hate legibility

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525ae7 No.655431

>>655420

>space

>text

Back to cuckchan, nigger. Having elementary school level literacy and requiring everything to be spaced like a child’s picture book, doesn’t improve legibility.

>>655399

I believe the open bolt full auto and closed bolt semi-auto system was rather complex.

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ea22b6 No.655631

Any choice that doesn't end with a "98" is wrong. Gew.98/K98's are the supreme bolt action rifles. The SMLE, while firing faster with a larger magazine, are shit. Their main claim to fame, "the mad minute", is just a tribute to Britain's inability to field a decent fucking LMG.

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2653ff No.655667

I own a K98.

Peak quality.

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075658 No.655689

>>655667

Don't space your posts like that

>>655420

You have to go back

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075658 No.655690

>>655020

also

>literally quoting forgotten weapons

Looks like someone can't think for themselves.

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8747fd No.655803

>>655631

I too enjoy a rifle with a receiver that stretches over time and a soldered-on rear sight assembly.

>Gew.98

and has a minimum 500 meter sight adjustment

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525ae7 No.655806

>>655803

Actually it’s 400

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ea22b6 No.655925

>>655803

I take it that you have absolutely no practical, real world knowledge of 98s, and are only regurgitating fuddlore. In other words, shut up faggot.

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8747fd No.655940

>>655925

The irony is that practical and real world knowledge is exactly how you find out that German Mausers, which are popularly sporterized, stretch like taffy over consistent use.

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ea22b6 No.655945

>>655940

yeah, no. Pre-WW1 Gew.98s can suffer from poor heat treatment, and late war (both) may have the same issues. But any other 98, especially K98ks from1935-about 1944, should be good to go as long as you aren't being a dumb nigger and using hot rounds that the fucking thing wasn't designed for. You're probably just a dumb nigger who has never owned one, though.

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31d45e No.655960

>>655945

>1944

>good

You know they were literally trying stamped Kar98s at that point, right? Anything post-Operation Citadel is increasingly cheap production and those rifles are known for poor fit and finish and parts breakage. The Gewehr 98 was never remarkably innovative for long anyway, and there is a reason that no civilian or military bolt action has been based on the Mauser design in decades other than Mausers themselves, and the modern ones don't even have anything in common with the tradition. Or do you still believe that stupid fuddlore about muh German engineering Remingtons?

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8747fd No.656019

>>655806

Thanks CanadAnon, I got mixed up.

>>655945

>being this much of a wehraboo

I almost understand the reason for people spamming the 56% maymay now.

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e0f1e6 No.656034

File: 327f0d4b2e30c67⋯.jpg (55.37 KB,803x790,803:790,question!.jpg)

Why didn't more military bolt actions put the rear sights on the back of the receiver instead of the back of the barrel? It obviously wouldn't be practical for something like a Mosin with a hole in the back of the receiver, but for other guns it seems like it would be helpful as long as you don't specifically want a short sight radius for quicker alignment. If the barrel/receiver connection was super flexible it would be a problem, but I'm guessing the longer radius would more than make up for any possible decrease in rigidity. Do non-aperture rear sights become impossible to use if they are too close to the eye or something?

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b54ed8 No.656061

>>656034

This is just stupid wild ass guessing, but I'm going to say cultural inertia. There's really nowhere else to mount a rear sight on a traditional lock-stock-and-barrel construction rifle, cartridge breech loaders require easy access to the rear of the receiver to facilitate loading and ejection, you can't go reaching over or around a rear sight, and split-ring bolt actions like the Mosin were in vogue for a long time.

But then that just begs the question of why tang sights weren't more widespread. Like you said, maybe they wanted to ensure alignment by mating both front and rear sight to the same piece of metal, the barrel.

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af9877 No.656070

>>656061

>>656034

Also pulling shit out of my ass, but it's completely possible that the Engineer or Gunsmith just designed it that way, and since it worked or was cheap, no one ever bothered with changing it. I know that's the biggest reason the military still uses Plated Thru-Hole parts on their circuitboards- it's cheaper to replace the PCB than to fix it, but you'd have to pay an engineer to redesign it with better specs and easier-to-obtain SMT components, so everyone just sticks to PTH even as warehouses are emptied of the last parts that were manufactured back in the 70s. The same could be true of sights in the context of engineering.

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d1aa38 No.656077

File: 86d6ba0d6026c45⋯.jpg (198.77 KB,1280x851,1280:851,Lee Enfield Variants.jpg)

Grandfather's SMLE. Supposedly it "saw action" during the riots in California back in the 60's. Too bad it's not in my possession any longer. Ah well, it was a rusty piece of junk despite being accurate and only 1-3 mils off at 200ish yards after all that time. (flags are misleading)

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8e7d7f No.656092

>>655690

The Ross is one of the best bolt action rifles ever made. It just had a small flaw that no one considered an issue because everyone assumed that newfies wouldn't fuck it up. But newfies fuck everything up. Everything.

And the Enfield is a better rifle than the Mauser or the Springfield that copied a lot from the Mauser.

Hell, I'd say the Gewehr 1888 superior to the Gewehr 98 in many ways, especially it's method of clip loading. The magazine issue could have been easily fixed with spring loaded cover that only opened when an empty clip was pushed out.

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56e0bd No.656166

>>656092

Ross's don't handle dirt well at all, a rifle that was built for someone blasting bambi and bullwinkle with the best quality of ammunition not rolling around in filth using shit a somali would turn down.

>>655940

Don't think fudds shoot their guns enough to fuck a receiver, not to mention it was the Winchester Model 70 that used a Mauser bolt until they decided to cut cost.

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0d92c5 No.656197

My 2 cents:

While I am inclined to agree with with the assessment of the Enfield as the top military bolt action rifle (even though I hunted deer for years with an Arisaka), I have to say that comparing the old military bolt action rifles to today's modern bolt action rifles is almost apples to oranges, especially when all of the factors are taken into consideration.

When you consider things like the trigger, the price, the reliability, the quality of the materials, the engineering, the weight, in addition to the accuracy and the ballistic performance, you get a much different picture.

The Winchester XPR 7mmRM for example, is sub-MOA @200 yards out of the box, is largely Browning tech and engineering (the tolerances would make the even the Germans applaud), and can be had for less than $500. Three-lug bolt (again, Browning), that sweet-ass Winchester trigger…I'd have a hard time saying that the Enfield is better or worse, simply because they are two completely different pieces of equipment, designed in completely different eras, and for completely different purposes. I guess my point here is that asking what is the best bolt action rifle is like asking what the best internal combustion vehicle is. It is a vague and ambiguous question that can not be meaningfully answered without additional parameters. Otherwise you are going to be seeing one anon say "Pontiac GTO" and another anon saying "1972 Formula 1", and another anon saying "Evinrude 2-stroke", etc.

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31d45e No.656202

>>656197

>implying there is any correct answer besides the GTO

Don't insult my 455 waifu.

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de8578 No.656227

>>656197

>1972 Formula 1

based. Shame the /f1/ board died

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f426cb No.656272

File: be7d2326fbfaa5b⋯.jpg (198.19 KB,530x930,53:93,sherman tank crew.jpg)

>>656197

>what the best internal combustion vehicle is

The correct answer is indisputably the M4 Sherman. It combusts its internals better than any other vehicle ever produced.

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8747fd No.656285

>>656166

>Don't think fudds shoot their guns enough to fuck a receiver

Mausers are, or were, the most common fudd gun to require headspace adjustment from gunsmiths. Mostly sentimental reasons, and it was done until it was clearly unsafe in which they bought another to repeat the process.

>not to mention it was the Winchester Model 70 that used a Mauser bolt until they decided to cut cost.

It's not the form but where it came from. German and Spanish Mausers are resilient only in that they bend rather than break(those would be the Swedish Mausers).

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d7c77c No.656287

File: 9de9c4b241d6e97⋯.jpg (109.91 KB,1280x720,16:9,1899.jpg)

I like the Springfield 1899, only because of the lid.

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53d1e0 No.657084

So the first thing you need to know is that Mausers are like AKs, in that they were produced by so many different outfits that generalizing about them is fairly problematic

So instead I will make a few specific statements

First, the primary issue with many Mausers is accuracy, and with all Mausers, speed.

There is nothing about the Mauser action that prohibits an accurate weapon, as evidenced by the Swedish Mauser (which can hold less than 1 MOA with modern ammo), and the various post-war adaptations of surplus Mauser actions as hunting and precision weapons.

So the biggest problem child were the various Mauser carbines of West and Central Europe, and specifically the K98k

Today, we free-float guns to isolate barrel harmonics

However, at the time there was a lesser understanding of barrel harmonics, and guns were carefully bedded and in some cases partially floated (e.g., Finn M39) to produce an accurate, consistent weapon

The M39 in particular has the front stock-barrel junction situated on a node in the barrel, to isolate the stock as much as possible from the barrel vibrations

which is why it has an oddball 27.something inch barrel

Many of the carbines, including the K98k throughout its production run, were not bedded properly nor were they arranged in this way. They were simply cut down long rifles in design, with little care paid to how that would affect the gun as a rifle. This was because the designs usually started off as echelon weapons and got issued as standard rifles only beginning in the late/mid 1930s

The K98k also had numerous other issues, such as with truing the receiver face, bolt lug engagement, etc.

They were just fairly crudely made overall with little attention to accuracy-affecting detail

All Mausers suffer in the speed department. The design is optimized to survive a total cartridge failure without breaking or injuring the shooter

This was a big concern in the 1890s, so this is no real surprise. By the way, that is not unique to the Mauser, the Mosin for example has many of the same features (and I've actually had a case failure with a Mosin and was fine)

Mausers have a 90-degree bolt turn and bolt handle placement that blocks the sights in the "unlocked" position, regardless of straight or bent bolt handle configuration

The action stroke is also approx 0.75" longer than something like an Enfield or MAS, due to the front-locking arrangement

The Mauser 98 (but not the 96) is also cock-on-open, which slows the action down. Mauser fanboys will insist they can run cock-on-open faster, but that is bullshit. It's obvious to anyone examining the actual kinematics that cocking a striker by ramming your palm forward is faster and surer than trying to crank a bolt handle up

anywa

the Mauser has a very slow action and most production Mausers are embarrassingly inaccurate (6-8 MOA)

More critically, than the slowness of the action is the poor target re-acquisition

Because the sights are completely blocked during operation, a Mauser shooter cannot simultaneously work the bolt and perform target re-acquisition

This and the other characteristics of the action have led many people to work the bolt from the pocket, effectively they are shooting, pulling the guns butt down into the crutch of their arm, operating the action, shouldering the rifle, and re-engagin

this gives the user a bit more leverage and surety when operating the action, but it's also significantly slower than what is possible with a Lee-Enfield

However, because the Mauser's bolt blocks the sights, it's not much slower than shooting a Mauser from the shoulder, so many people (including professional guides in Africa) practice this for the greater loading surety

With a Lee-Enfield, however, you can work the bolt from the shoulder without losing your sight picture - with a little practice

This means you can perform operation of the action and target re-acquisition more or less simultaneously

your sights are already coming back on target before the bolt handle is locked

This is what enables the (historical*) "Mad Minute" maneuver of aimed fire with a L-E

*Mauser fans also insist the Mad Minute is fiction, but it's historically attested and maintained in British marksmanship traditions so that's just counterfactual

The primary issue with the Mausers of Central/Western Europe during the interwar and WWII period was quality

The Czech and Yugo Mausers of the pre-war period tend to be quite good, though not as refined as the Swedish ones.

Also it's worth remembering that for many of these guns, the barrels were crap

Tbh, none of these Western/Central European armies expected their troops to be able to shoot hardly at all (little or no marksmanship tradition) so the dispersion of the guns was not considered an issue

this is obvious if you look at the standards they held

Bloke has done a lot of research into this, and he found that the accuracy standard for the No. 4 infantry rifle was tighter than the standard for Kar98k sniper rifles.

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eee0b6 No.659886

File: ea51ff05157db87⋯.jpg (140.93 KB,720x540,4:3,Arisaka_Type_99_bayonet_at….jpg)

Japs had those naval Type 99 rifles with the cast iron receivers, and they worked because the lugs locked into the barrel. Now, did they lock directly into the barrel, or did they lock into a barrel extension that was threaded on the end of the barrel (like in the AR-15)? I've read both of them, but no strong evidence for either. And if we are at it, is the barrel and the barrel extension of a typical AR-15 made of the same kind of steel?

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8747fd No.659893

>>657084

>This is what enables the (historical*) "Mad Minute" maneuver of aimed fire with a L-E

>*Mauser fans also insist the Mad Minute is fiction, but it's historically attested and maintained in British marksmanship traditions so that's just counterfactual

15 rounds fired in one minute at 300 yards from the prone position is as impractical as it sounds, if you want to go by the actual written placement requirements. It's also hardly a notable point when the entirety of placement requires using all of your allowed 250 rounds across all tests.

If you go by the American standard of "dump all of your 250 rounds with a sub-MOA group at 500 yards standing and in CQB position while balancing an egg on a spoon between your teeth" then it's even more ridiculous.

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a8f95a No.659928

File: a246c2df71fe2aa⋯.jpg (83.28 KB,567x425,567:425,ba50.jpg)

>>650786

BA50 bolt rides on roller bearings. I'm rather fond of it.

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2e2530 No.659936

>>659928

A roller bearing can't actually roll when it's sliding in a groove like that. It's basically acting as a glorified bushing and there's no utility in it except marketing.

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2460f0 No.660128

>>650817

White Army used it too, also the Finns used them during the continuation war and Germans had plenty of captured nuggets

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13e4d0 No.662342

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>659886

It looks like I've found my answer, although with a completely unrelated firearm. Also, I think I'm in love.

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7a373b No.662349

>>650817

The Finnish Mosins are actually good though.

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17ca62 No.662360

>>659936

It will roll when it only bears on one side of the slot.

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8a9c7d No.664862

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8747fd No.664965

>>664862

Should be easy to adapt that to semi-auto use similar to roller-locking, and much more cheaply and effectively.

Interesting.

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2e50f9 No.664968

>>653125

It got showcased by a few youtubers, and for at least a short period afterwards it achieved minor memetic status as the best bolt rifle ever made, that can shoot anyone and anything from 6 gorrillion miles away.

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0639e9 No.666526

>>650829

Nice. But seems like a whole lot of unnecessary accessories for a fucking bolt action.

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0639e9 No.666527

>>650822

This. I don't see How they would be useful.

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028246 No.666533

>>659928

Only works for 50bmg cause its too expensive to fire more than 15 shots a year. If you did that to a more common caliber you would wear out your berings.

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b7872d No.666576

>>662342

The Schlegelmilch looks like an absolutely beautiful no-frills rifle. With a little more love & care, and considering there are no specifically known problems, it could easily have supplemented or replaced the Gewehr 98 line with some retrospective and have obsoleted the late WW2 Volksgewehr line of last-ditch/cost saving bolt action weapons if there was time to tool for this cheaper and tidier gun in the period from 1920-1940. The only thing that irks me, and irked at least one man in the comments, is the charger bridge serving to dump mud off the bolt shroud into the action. You'd have to initially charge the rifle holding sideways or upside down as the comments note in order to get it clean after hitting the dirt, something that can be trained for but ideally you don't want the extra procedure.

Since the design of the shroud, peeking bolt head and deep barrel lock preclude a Mauser style integral rear bridge, could there perhaps be a 'skeletal' front charger bridge that pulls backward for use and is automatically shoved back into storage by the bolt? Sort of like how the Hakim rifle has a pivoting charger guide rather than a fixed one, the Schlegelmilch improved could have its guide stored forward running laterally across or to one or either side of the barrel extension/battery, the only problem being how to get it to be a decently sturdy stamped piece or a close to waste free small machined one that also doesn't interfere with the sightline. After that, it's just a question of cutting down the charger bridge into a pair of non-wraparound track guides, and the rifle is mud free; the bridge is inessential to retaining the bolt with the secondary sear style bolt stop and good track fit doing all the work. Plus, you shave off that little bit more steel from the final and already quite lean receiver, and possibly from the initial required block size to boot.

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a52394 No.667017

>>654884

heck is that knife?

and that wife?

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754a34 No.667025

File: d8c5e313617dda6⋯.png (74.73 KB,1004x412,251:103,sog_el01-cp_1.png)

File: b3b67536f977923⋯.jpg (33.79 KB,225x350,9:14,75881.jpg)

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46ebdb No.669057

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Would someone happen to know how the ball bearings come out the bolt of this rifle? Do they just fall out on the back once the firing pin is removed?

>>666576

>the charger bridge serving to dump mud off the bolt shroud into the action

I think these concerns are a bit "over the top". But even if it's really that much of a problem, then you have to remember that the charger bridge seems to be an afterthought. A possible solution would be to rivet it to the end of the bolt shroud, which is quite similar to how it works on that Swedish rifle that the Hakim is based on.

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b7872d No.669312

>>669057

I'm somehow suspicious of the Hakim guide design, it has this flimsy air about it. Maybe it's just first impression prejudice leading to me trying to think out an alternative. But you'd also have to flip the bridge up manually before sending the bolt home if you don't want to jam it in battery, that's the main reason I think it shouldn't be directly copied, as it's an extra motion or modification of motion after charging the rifle that can get in the way of smooth operation under duress. Plus, where and how would it fit?

I'm trying to wrap my head around this, but the shroud and barrel extension are making this an impossible riddle. The wraparound bridge is a vector for mud & dirt, an afterthought and a problem to be solved. A skeletal charger bridge that pulls back from the barrel extension is slightly flimsy and just in the way. You can't use a Hakim bridge even past my reservations because the shroud surface is so far behind the bolthead. You can't really have springloaded prongs to the internal side of the shroud like I've been thinking on because they potentially won't narrow up enough to get to the chargers' dimensions without getting in front of the bolt in a way you don't want. And I don't think you can do an integral charger bridge on the receiver body, because it will either be in the way of the bolt or the magazine floorplate or just not be very effective in its compromised position.

Could it possibly become a machined part of the overall bolt face dimensions, integral or composite? On the one hand, that would be really weird as a solution and possibly impose more machining work at the extension/battery end to allow little charger forks to fit, hurting the time & skilled labor savings earned through the simplified receiver. On the other, the Mauser got away with its big brawny active extractor arm just fine, and this would just be two similar pieces ever so slightly further forward and spaced to accept a charger clip instead of to grab and kick out cartridges. If it's nonintegral like the Mauser extractor, have the back ends of the charger claws compress and decompress a simple coil spring for battery & ready positions respectively, and you're golden.

Whatever the case, after you figure out the deal with the charger bridge, you can go the extra mile with the simple Schlegelmilch receiver/magwell by modifying to accept quick detach magazines of a standard type, being for a WW2 period scenario the G43 pattern for 8mm Mauser and StG-44 for Kurz, and you have lots of production rationalizations for the perfect militia, trainer & ersatz line bolt rifle, with probably no performance losses over the 98 Mauser in military contexts and the ability to slowly phase out the old line completely. A few drops spilled out of the bucket of resource & labor starvation.

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0a24b1 No.669315

>>664968

>>651019

>>653125

>it achieved minor memetic status as the best bolt rifle ever made, that can shoot anyone and anything from 6 gorrillion miles away.

The problem is… it kind of is.

Even those well shot are 1 MOA and GP11 7.5 Swiss is match grade ammo right out of the surplus box, add the straight pull, the detachable mags + clips and no doubt have the best bolt action mass produced.

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f25d91 No.669854

>>667017

>he hasn't seen soranowoto

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ad4ce7 No.672825

>>651103

>>650790

muh nigs, I love this rifle. I can get mine to 8 though; you have to hold the rounds down to get that last little bit of compression on the spring and the bolt still closes properly. I had to replace all the furniture on it, and it hasn't been fudded. The ears on the irons are still intact.

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eb008d No.672828

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eb008d No.672830

>>672828

Or don't. I should be sleeping by now anyway.

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ad4ce7 No.672833

File: c8c076a6e28c52d⋯.png (4.08 MB,1512x1134,4:3,muh raifu.png)

>>672828

>>672830

Nah, anything to keep our funs more reliable is important. I don't ordinarily load it to 8, but I do keep it in mind. I do however keep it next to my desk with a few rounds in it for any SHTF.

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ad4ce7 No.672834

>>672833

Also I'm fucking short if anyone thinks the sling is on funny… I have it adjusted for my short arms.

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9364b4 No.673021

How do you improve on the bolt action rifle?

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060121 No.673047

>>673021

Some sort of detachable camping chair and foldable bench rest. It would be a luxury bolt action rifle, walk into combat, it's like you're at the gun range.

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ec7be2 No.673077

>>673021

In what way? As an infantry rifle? A DMR? A precision distance gun?

<Infantry rifle

>Chambered in something hotter and flatter shooting than 7.62x39mm but not into full size territory.

>Detachable mags (10 round capacity standard) and stripper clip guide.

>Cock on close. Mauser style extractor/ejector.

>Forward mounted red dot or low magnification and illuminated long eye relief scope.

>Simple brake or flash hider. Must be able to fire rifle grenades with regular ammo.

>Bayonet lug.

>16-18 inch barrel.

>Spacers for adjusting length of pull and cheek riser.

>Flashlight.

<DMR

>Chambered in a full power rifle round.

>1-8 power scope.

>Detachable mag.

>Bipod and barricade rest.

>Flash hider and/or suppressor.

>18 inch free floated heavy barrel.

>Bayonet lug.

>Cock on close. Mauser style extractor/ejector.

>Cheek riser and length of pull spacers.

>IR/visible laser.

<Distance precision gun.

>Chambered in a belted magnum or similar round.

>Free floated 24-26 inch barrel. Or 18 inch free floated heavy barrel. Could go crazy and carbon wrap it.

>3-12/4-16 scope. Rail space for clip on NVG/Thermal/monocular (can't remember the correct name for those monoculars that add more drop compensation).

>Laser rangefinder.

>Cock on close. Mauser style extractor/ejector.

>Quick release bipod and mount that can be placed on a tripod.

>Detachable mags.

>Flash hider and/or suppressor.

>Pistol gripped folding stock with adjustable LOP and cheek riser.

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534f55 No.673084

>>673077

Your first sounds like a zastava mini mauser in 6.5 with a few more fun things added.

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e0f1e6 No.673123

File: a5c4b4193898646⋯.jpg (16.87 KB,640x197,640:197,d74a0e99fadc26544408b41edb….jpg)

>>673084

>>673077

It makes me picture a horribly bubba'd M94.

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49f46c No.673141

File: 27a36d55f5bd4be⋯.jpg (951.84 KB,2592x1944,4:3,x39.JPG)

>>673123

More like this.

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a1b17f No.674220

>>653241

Direct energy weapons. That's what the u.s.a.p. fags use.

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8a9c7d No.680565

File: 90dd4b3172b7747⋯.jpg (634.77 KB,2547x1818,283:202,HeymSR30Bolt.jpg)

>>669312

I know I'm really fuckin late to the party, but I hope this answers any questions on it's machinery & strength

To me it looks alright enough, I've seen lesser rifle bolts

I do think it could use some simplification though

bump?

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a58bb9 No.680567

>>680565

What would you modify? I'm personally thinking about using it in a Lewis gun/FG-42 type action, so the whole thing would be nothing but the bolt body, the ball bearings (8 of them, because 7 is just weird), and the firing pin (with possibly a spring). Then you need an arm on the gas piston to connect the two together, but that's not really a part of the bolt.

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8a9c7d No.680590

>>680567

The firing pin, like in most bolt actions, is too long imo, it could shortened & cupped

The removal & simplification of the other small parts in the back of the bolt would be good too, small parts break & never come out, and fouling sticks them stuck; I imagine sustained fire in an autoloader would wear the parts to failure too

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1a3f0c No.687190

File: 3e50fb42f1225ae⋯.jpg (684.21 KB,3456x4608,3:4,Fairbairn cobra knife 1950….JPG)

>>654884

>folding knife meme

>(((tactical))) tiny knife meme

White men use fixed knives big enough to gut a whale.

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6ffcd0 No.688670

I mean, in terms of accuracy and range, the M200 Intervention is probally the most accurate man-portable rifle in existence (if you consider a nearly 30lbs rifle unloaded "portable), with the proper loading and calculations

In terms of overall quality, really any mauser action rifle

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62b0ff No.689056

File: d0fb9d835aa55ca⋯.jpg (22.19 KB,1024x200,128:25,mannrifle2043.jpg)

File: 8c678564c1437d6⋯.jpg (7.7 KB,512x80,32:5,ms 1903 2.jpg)

File: 363dd44ea6f528d⋯.jpg (153.72 KB,990x266,495:133,MS 1903.jpg)

The Greek Mannlicher–Schönauer BY FAR.

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ab456f No.689449

Smle is the best because of rapid fire and the fact that you don't have to move your face out of the way when you cycle the bolt

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d0f821 No.689761

>>689056

Any Mannlicher-Schoenauer, really. this is the correct answer.

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