/jp/ - check pinned thread, please.

>>29597

That's like saying Philosophy isn't real because you've seen some real life Hedonists and they were pretty dumb.

>>29598

Well philosophy is pretty much just how one views the world, of course the notion of it is real but as i said, even though I want magic to exist, all research proves it just to be delusions. So is more like saying god is not real because it makes no sense, the practitioners cannot prove it and will just say 'it's real because it is, just believe it' and investigations come up with more evidence against than for.

>>29599

That's really cool and all but untrue. I stand by my affirmation on >>29598

By redirecting me to texts about taking drugs, you're mostly talking about unrelated magicians. I have personally read The Kybalion and I have not been endorsed to commit drugs or to fasten for weeks, nor any other practice that could lead to illusions of the mind.

Most initate books practice simpler things like http://montalk.net/files/fringeknowledgeWEB.pdf who recommends lucid dreaming, calming down the mind by doing simple things such as focusing on the movement of my toes/body(Your mind thinks a lot of crap when you're not paying attention) , amongst other relatively benign things that do not cause illusions. In fact, drugs are negative influence.

So please stop mashing me with people on Africa on whatever, it is disingenuous

>>29602

I never mentioned drugs and what you describe is not magic, they are just techniques of the mind. Lucid dreams are delusions of a sort anyway.

>>29604

>what you describe is not magic, they are just techniques of the mind

Did you expect fireballs to come raining down form the heavens after a ritual?

Anyways.

Since you're so stuck in your concept that magick isn't real and just manipulation of some sort(not drugs), I can't help you.

>>29605

I expected something that could actually be described in anyway as being magic, you know, at least somehow supernatural even if the tiniest bit.

What you describe are mental tricks, I even did these in school sometimes, the teacher would have all the students lie down and think of their toes and move to their hands or whatever and then picture a place where they would like to be and feel relaxed and all that kind of stuff, it is in no way magic and to describe it as such is just ludicrous.

>Lucid dreams are delusions of a sort anyway.

the architecture of thought, daydream, and dream is all the same

are dreams delusions? sure. but so are your thoughts. they're not even yours. they just emerge.

>>29595

first image seemed profound enough until it brought up gender politics w.

>>29601

if you put it under the label of being crazy or abnormal though, doesn't that just mean that you believe that particular story to be fictional?

>>29610

so, what? saying that each person's world is in their mind is just a lousy excuse

>>29629

This is about mechanics of the universe not your perceived gender politics you fool.

To put a more in depth explanation for it because certainly the Luciferian will deny it as hard as possible, everything in the universe either "receives, reflects, reacts"(feminine) or "messages, signals"(masculine). It, of course, also explains that sexual reproduction(And asexual, too, except contained within 1 organism) has the feminine(receiver) and the masculine(sender) aspect of it, but that is not the point.

>>29631

Excuse? Excuse for what? It is a reason to stop identifying with your thoughts.

Your response and my response are generated by streams of forces we both consist of. The words you used in your post are the magical spell through which your force is expressed. This force isnt even you and you cant control it as it is part of a bigger equation. How can you be aware of this and still identify with your thoughts and belief systems?

>>29632

>"receives, reflects, reacts"(feminine)

>"messages, signals"(masculine)

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wow 8ch is trash when it comes to AA

>Its your fault for not applying [aa] tags.

how should I know when the entire board is already using mona?!

Just apply your brain. If other markup still works even on Monafont then they'll still fuck your AA because its also text.

And people can come with their own themes instead of the board default.

And now you know.

>>29632

oh, so it's just expanding upon the previous thing about positive and negative vibrations

>>29633

>Excuse? Excuse for what?

don't know if I'm following this properly, but you're saying that, according to solipsistic theory, delusion is equivalent to changing the world right? isn't there a contradiction between saying that there's no objective reality, and that reality is purely subjective?

>>29634

I can't tell whether we're on the same page or not, but if you have to ask whether it's true or not, aren't you basically already admitting that it isn't? if it's something that's been proven or is readily reproduceable, then how could it still be "magic"?

>>29640

I'm not sure who's behind the 2nd post and the 3rd post you're replying to, but it isn't me(1st post).

I'm not really into solipsism and the whole theory relies on there being nothing provable but your own mind, which would be a huge breach of the Initiation into Fringe Knowledge for Beginners book as it explicitly describes other consciousnesses.

>>29639

That ``tfw" when you can't do [o]overlines[/o] on whatever markup 8ch uses.

>>29640

>3

It's not about being true or not. It's about being understood. Kind of like quantum shit.

Denying or insisting existence of things without proof either way is really silly. Going as though nothing is true by default, but anything could be useful regardless, is my way.

My point there was that labeling them that way doesn't inherently imply falsehood. Even crazy doesn't mean impossible.

I just like semantics.

>>29645

oh, right, I think that's the word I was looking for

if it's something that's understood later, then was it "magical" in the first place?

「Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.」

>>29647

Yes. For the time being it was unknown and exciting.

The only magical thing here is me when I turn 30！

>>29640

>don't know if I'm following this properly, but you're saying that, according to solipsistic theory, delusion is equivalent to changing the world right? isn't there a contradiction between saying that there's no objective reality, and that reality is purely subjective?

I'm not the one talking about solipsism, maybe it was some other anon. Or you bring solipsism because you connotate it with word "magic".

Let me save you some years of dabbling in magic and unveil a little of how it works.

Solipsism, "changing reality through positive belief" etc. is a smokescreen to real magic which is accessed only if you're lucky to connect to a proper belief-stream. Considering solipsism and arguing about it for too long is a trap that emerges from architecture of belief, language, signs and the invisible narrative in general. The concept of magic and web of connotations that this word drags behind itself is one of illusory stepping stones that opens a gate for one to enter very curious belief-stream and arrive at very curious places. In other words, magic isn't real in itself, but embracing it may lead one to a situation in which something akin to magic is real. Another way to get there is simply meditation.

What I'm describing here is the phenomenon of surfing on the belief streams. The ability to surf, to integrate one's shadow, and understanding of chaos theory in mathematics are prerequisites to magical ability.

First, consider the belief that the whole of reality is one dance of archetypal forces, and they manifest as beliefs among many forms. Or you can see it not as a dance but a struggle and not forces but beings or waves (all depending of the force on the wings of which you happen to be moving in a given moment). If you ever plan to invoke entities, it's useful to already start thinking of forces as beings and study mythology.

You, the point of awareness, you're this leaf on the wind. You can't choose what to believe yourself, the belief streams take you. However, with fair winds and following seas you can "use" the forces to build momentum. And this is magic. Thoughts and words become points of reference you bounce off. Once you build momentum you can never stop; You're the machine constantly rebuilding itself while travelling at light speed. There is no sense of up and down, right and left, there is no ground, because you use walls and ceilings as points of reference just as much, and you do it so smoothly that it appears your feet are not touching any surface.

>>29664

I'm really not following after all, but that's a "kakkoii" image

so the "magic" you're talking about is psychonautics, or it actually is deluding yourself, or something?

She's right.

>>29686

Yeah? Well, go back to your autistic normal life with your autistic normal days, loser. Magic is for nontistic children.

>>29669

Seems like it, and then you could argue again that it really isn't magic but just your own brain meditating so hard that it gets high on it's own chemicals.

How is all of this going to help me shoot fireballs from my hand?

29696 is mad as H*CK！

>>29696

Are you the same person as

>>29664

>>29664

If yes you can't just bail on us just because we have expressed some doubt. Get back here and decipher this gibberish for us.

If you are not that person then what did you expect from this thread?

what the hell is going on itt

>>29729

Hell no I'm not >>29664 , though I somewhat understand what he's going on about as I have seen those concepts before.

Don't ask me what I expected because I did not expect.

>>29746

Then please, tell us some of the basics of magic that you know about so we can bring this thread into a desireable direction..

Is the first step to "find your inner mana" or something?

>>29749

Just regurgitating what has been already been posted in the original post here...

The best way to start would be

1. The Kybalion(Bring a dictionary and search any words in uppercase)

Then go through

2. The Arcane Teachings

3. The Arcane Formulas

4. The Science of Breath Note: Contained within the 2013 Series Lessons book

I did post a short version of the Kybalion in >>29595 but what the hell it can't and won't cover what you'll see if you care to research it.

Truly all you need has been laid before you.

And a general decree since I'm here.

If you expect to shoot fireballs out of your fingers, this isn't the right thread.

If you want to discretely implant ideas inside people's minds and make people think such thing was originally their idea, that is much closer.

Magick is a mix between basic science which should have long ago been discovered, and Philosophy which has been unmuddled form nihilists and hedonists.

>>29750

Of course I could just research it myself, but then what's the point of this thread? Obviously you wanted to discuss something or teach us something

>>29788

Allright, what do you want me to teach you?

Hey OP, do you think there is a plane of existence where all our dreams and all the fiction and fantasy of this world are real?

You're not going to end in a good places if you go the route described in magic books, dear anons. Trust the Buddhist maps. Anything other than that leads to dead ends, schizoprenia, psychosis, hallucinations.

If you stay aware of present moment long enough, strange things will start to happen. Your nervous system will become aware of itself. Causality and entropy will be understood not as an intellectual concepts, but as the real things. You'll see windows into worlds in which anime girls are real too. If you latch onto it or interact with the entities instead of staying non-judgmentally aware of all of it, you're going to end up in horrible places.

>>30189

>>30188

I'm not so much curious about how to get to these theoretical planes, I just wonder if they exist or if it's all just lines on paper and electric impulses in our brains.

Dreams in particular are so fantastic that I refuse to believe that they are not connected to a magical world somehow

VR turns you into a pedophile and/or gay.

magic is basically simple intentions leading to actions

why all the fuss with calling it magic, then? - you will ask

it is because most likely you don't experience "true" intentions and will in ordinary life. you only realize how world works very far in meditation practice. and even then, magic powers aren't really powers. they seem like it to others because of all the evolutionary illusions they live in. in meditation you deprogram these illusions and therefore become able to see through tricks of reality

on one of advanced levels, if you stay on it without advancing further, you can "do magic". but later on you learn that even this "doing magic" isn't what it appears and things are even more curious

>>30293

like grabbing a coin from behind somebody's ear?

Okay, apologies, but I have made ANOTHER post. after having deleted the meditations recommended here.

Here's an pastebin containing them, I have judged /jp/ fonts made the posts too long and wide.

http://pastebin.com/QRx38iGA

>>30659

>>30663

>>30664

Thanks.

But still, my question as to why you made this thread hasn't been answered yet. The Kybalion says "the lips of wisdom are closed except to the ears of understanding".

So the whole notion of making a thread here is contrary to the hermetic teachings unless someone would want to know more about it.

Are you looking to spread wisdom or are you looking to brag with it?

>>30666

I am wondering, how you have come to the conclusion that one can want to know more about something they are not aware of?

>>30668

Through curiosity.

Also you didn't answer my question again. What were your motives for making this thread?

>>30671

It took me like 1 and a half week to read a 58 page long book because I keep getting swept up by moods of listlessness, I wouldn't call that "coming around nicely".

But who knows, maybe the things I've learned will actually help me with that.

Another thing this book did for me was that it sparked some curiosity within me regarding the practitioners of these teachings.

It did mention "masters" at some points who are capable of incredible stuff, and I was wondering if there was some kind of forum or imageboards solely dedicated to the hermetic teachings. I'd sure like to meet other practitioners and hear their opinions.

So I'm just gonna go ahead and ask you:

How is your progress going?

>>30672

Well, Welcome to the internet age. You're so constantly entertained those books have become boring to you and you can't focus on them. I retract my comment.

As for your question: No. There was only this board: >>>/fringe/ , which has already entered a stage of decay and sorting which information is good and which is bad isn't worth the time.

Save the relevant top links(aka: https://8ch.net/fringe/faq.html ) and leave. If there is another place out there worth using, I have not found it

>How is your progress going?

I can imagine objects in my mind(One-Pointedness meditation) perfectly now. If its on books, I've been sidetracked to reading http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/newton/mss/norm/ALCH00110 a bit out of curiosity.

>>30673

>You're so constantly entertained those books have become boring to you and you can't focus on them.

Pretty much. I prefer reading books normally rather than on a screen.

I've also started to condition myself into hating digital entertainment and finding selfstudy fun in an attempt to raise my productivity. The process is slow, but I've made some improvement

And yeah, I've checked out /fringe/ before and it's not what I am looking for.

What do you think about the statement that people who have come in contact with hermetic teachings in a previous life are gonna have a easier time with it in their current lifes? (Or something like that, I can't find the exact line right now)

It's kind of hard for me to simply accept the whole reincarnation theory.

>>30674

Nor do I have any idea of what you're going on about. Reincarnation theory is a notable idea and all, but the note on how it makes Hermeticism easier seems artificial.

>>30676

>Only those whose minds have been carefully trained along

the lines of the Hermetic Philosophy for years–yes, those who have brought with them from

other incarnations the knowledge acquired previously – can comprehend just what is meant

by the Teaching regarding these Spiritual Planes

Also there's another line where the author theorizes that some scientist called Herbert Spencer is a incarnation of Heraclitus

I went back and notice that was in the Kybalion itself.

Okay fine I'll go re-read it or something next week if I even have the time and take a break form this thread.

>>30678

How are your days structured like? Do you have a job?

How much time do you plan for these kind of activities?

I have a question regarding mental gender.

So I understand that the "me" are my conscious thoughts, emotions and feelings and the "I" is my subconscious mind.

Now as far as I understand I'm supposed to use the "I" to get a better grip on the "me" and escape it's moods for starters.

I've been trying to step back from my conscious thoughts and feelings and tried to analyze them.

Let's take my lust for example. Whenever I stumbled upon a lewd picture the "me" would feel lust and the need to act upon it. I then tried to step back from this and thought "the instinct of procreation is triggered within my brain, it thinks that a real female is in front of me and that mating is imminent, hence I feel lust".

This helped me to let this lust pass by and not act upon it.

So far so good.

But isn't the thoughtprogress I initiated to analyse the lust really just the "me" having another thought rather than my "I" having control over it?

How do I know when I'm using the "I"?

>>30679

My days are divinely structured according to Tarot predictions, and my job is to retell the oncoming of the apocalips.

In other words I'm not telling.

I never spent less than a hour per day on this sort of stuff.

>>30684

I wouldn't really worry about that just yet because I remember it being explained further on, just move off to the next book (The Arcane Teaching).

I go off a lot but I don't see myself as a good teacher in the sense that the books explain stuff better.

Unrelated news, my father talked about how he knew about the "Mason" groups going around last time we met.

While some of them are satanic sects, I'm hoping the one he hopefully found is either Hermetic or Gnostic. The actual religion of the group is usually only revealed to upper workers in there but they usually spoil their true nature through subtle aesthetic choices, I hope I don't waste too much time finding it out.

>>30686

I don't like the idea of actually joining a real life group for this kind of stuff.

While there might be lots of potential for finding good teachers and nice people the danger of getting dragged into a group that only cares about widening their own power and influence is too high for me.

For now I want to stick to selfstudying on the internet, and if the stars allign I'll meet fellow students or a master this way.

Thank you for giving me this opputurnity, I have finally decided today that these teachings are worth persuing further.

I'm curious about where this journey will lead me.

I hope that you'll stick around here

>>31661

>if you believe in something it will become part of our reality

but that's japanese folklore, not touhou............................

>>31673

Some sentiments people brought up were just lost on me, and only seemed to serve the purpose of pushing the /pol/ agenda. I'm not saying they were wrong, they just use the teachings for different purposes than I would.

Also that Egregores stuff seems really interesting, I'll try to read up on it

>>31676

>Did you already blaze through all the books in the OP

I'm working on it

>>31658

I like this idea.

>>31765

John 14:12 "anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father."

Don't do Atkinson when Bardon condenses every practical exercise without the snake oil salesman writing.

Get yourself the Bardon Companion though, because Bardon couldn't explain himself either.

How do I cast Magic Missile?

>>31784

One prayer to this lost soul.

>>31658

refer to >>29680san

>>31789

I'm glad that we agree that it is perfect for /jp/

>>31860

It WILL take time for you to be able to clean your mind. Don't give up over a few failed attempts.

>>31863

Oh trust me, I'm not going to give up because I can actually feel some progress going on. I was just wondering if there was some technique to make this particular step a bit easier

>>31862

Just keep doing it, dudebro. I'm slowly learning how death is actually helpful myself.

what's this "black behind your eyelids" meme I keep hearing

it's noisy as hell there, blue purple green orange etc.

>>31869

Stop tightening your eyes so much you fucking autist

I found something in me. It's a small light surrounded by endless darkness. I once felt empty but now that I know that it's there I feel fine with persisting to reach my goal.

I call it Hope.

>>31881

How did you find this hope?

>>31882

I got angry, depressed and finally thought about what I'm fighting for. Only through failure and experiencing the deeps of 'death' could I find it.

>>31888

Amazing, it almost sounds like alchemy.

>>31870

noisier when it's closed less lightly

>>32367

Well, it's not like we have much of a choice. We only really lose if we stop pressing on

I feel like I'm gaining a better understanding of death. It's amazing how I've reached this point when I spent a good chunk of my childhood being terrified of death.

>>32732

Please do explain what you were able to figure out about death

>>32735

I wish there were less atheists on my jay.

>>32744

Replacing "Hades" with "HELL" is funny and all but it doesn't make hell real.

>>32744

When I was young I used to attempt to talk to God. I honestly didn't care if he truly existed or not, I just wanted someone to talk to. I still do sometimes.

My parents weren't actually too fond of religion, but my obsession with the supernatural made me not afraid to talk about my problems to someone who might not really be there.

Is it possible to attain egohood but still love things/people in the physical world?

>>32747

As in being an egoist? Yes, you just love things as they relate to you. Being an egoist doesn't mean you hate everyone else. It means you do things because you want to. For example, an egoist who likes helping people helps people because he likes it, not because of a moral imperative to help others.

>>32747

You'd think there is nothing wrong with changing your views as you learn new things.

I'm thinking about buying physical copies of some of the books described in the OP so that I can easily reread certain parts. Also because I prefer reading a real book over reading stuff on a screen.

But then again I could just print out the pages or write things down

>>32778

>>32778

>I prefer reading a real book over reading stuff on a screen.

You know, for all the people I see saying this ebooks seem to be doing well. So well, in fact I steadily manage to find the books I'm looking for, for less than a buck more often than not. It's a shame amazon is run by kikes, or that'd be even easier. Still, even if you don't want to brave the outdoors and find a used book store, online depositories will usually group shipping if you ask. You can grab a dozen or so books for about $0.30 a pop and make the most of a single $8~ shipping fee.

>But then again I could just print out the pages or write things down

It's still kind of inconvenient to to flip through compared to a bound book, and doesn't look nearly as nice on a shelf when you're done.

What's the difference between egohood and will?

>>32991

"the will is the actual self of the human, the true core of the human being; henc, the will constitutes the ground of his consciousness, as something simply given and present, beyond which he cannot go. For he himself is as he wills, and wills as he is."

"The principal and fundamental incentive for humans, as for animals, is egoism, i.e., the urge for existence and well-being... This egoism is in animals, as in humans, most precisely connected with their innermost core and essence, indeed, actually identical. Therefore as a rule all human actions spring from egoism"

I'm not really sure what you mean by egohood, but I assume you mean it in the sense of the state of being an egoist. In which case I would say that being an egoist entails the will being in communion with its egoism. It accepts egoism.

>>33040

What are you exterminating?

>>33041

Anything that stands in my way. Unlike physical things, spiritual entities tend to regenerate, so I'm coming up with ways to completely annihilate them.

>>33057

Any piece of useful infirmation is welcome

1. Give your foe a "name". This generally serves to anchor your foe in one way or another. If you get really good at this you can even control your foes.

2. Think of something that could harm your foe. Even a magical /ss/ doujin that can somehow eradicate demons works. It doesn't even have to be an object of any sort, so even a huge laser blast of destruction will do.

3. Apply the object or force in any way you wish. Make sure to not let any emotions get in the way.

4. Believe that you've defeated your foe. This is the most important part and it's surprisingly the hardest to pull off.

>>33069

What kind of things have you successfully exterminated?

How do I go about summoning a youkai?

>>33640

Lots of alcohol. Complete isolation. No reason to live. A few cases of Ramen.

Lock yourself in your apartment, put aluminum foil over all the windows. Start streaming chiru.no. Now just browse the internet. Bathing our cleaning are optional. Drinking is highly encouraged.

Now if my studies on ancient Japanese folklore is correct you should awaken to a youkai in the form of a young girl sexually assaulting you. If you follow her demands in a satisfying manner she will remain with you.

Be careful with this. This is some powerful magic and when it goes bad it can get extremely violent. I wouldn't advise this to amateurs.

>>32746

Are you still doing it?

>>33678

Yes

``Magick'' is just primitive attempts at reconciling man's fear & ignorance of nature

it's not real in a practical sense, and if it's all just metaphorical, then the metaphor isn't useful

if youre going to play make believe, why don't you just hypnotize yourself so you can fuck your waifu? (jhana is very similar with hypnosis)

Or better yet, take drugs if you want to experience alternate realms.

>>29599

>Well philosophy is pretty much just how one views the world

no, philosophy is an attempt to make sense of things and to justify the sense one makes

>>33689

faggot

>>33689

fuck off

>>33689

How do you get those flashy rainbow letters?

>>33720

Probably for using a tripcode. I'll test it.

>>33724

Looks like it works. That's pretty cool.

>>33724

Heh, I forgot I added that to the gas because this /a/slicker kept post with a tripcodr, meme arrows, surprise boxes and nepshit

I want to go on esoteric adventures with my jayhoozies

On another note, I've discovered an esoteric bookstore in my town that I plan to visit next week, but they are selling some shady magic water on their website so it's probably going to be disappointing.

Well, if I find a physical copy of the kybalion there then that'd be good enough for me

>>34250

I'd love to have a real copy of that book too. It's hard to find it here.

>>33725

Thanks

I made that part of the CSS up because of toothpaste from /int/ using /jp/ as his personal trashcan. Notice how I didn't ban anyone or restrict they freedom to post? I just deincentivized posting for them. Who is going to take a tripfag seriously when their trip says that.

I think Tenko tampered with it since the original had twelve colors on a .5 sec delay.

I've been meditating every single night in the belief that something will happen. Finally, last night, something did happen.

I suddenly made a hand gesture I never made before and fell into a trance of sorts.

I have reached a new clarity of mind, which is ruined daily by naked anime girls

>>34999

I have reached a new clarity of mind, one that is aided by naked anime girls.

>>33694

How do you get out of the cave without passing by the hooded figures?

>>35153

It's okay, it's my own fault really

How to gain mental strenght and willpower?

>>35566

This is a very good post. I feel enlightened by it.

>>35623

Funny Facebook meme, dude!

>>35644

Who are you quoting?

>>35644

Read GK Chesterton's The Everlasting Man

I was wondering, does halloween hold any significance in occultism?

Allhallow's Eve and Samhain are extremely important for certain schools

/jp/ are you sure you don't want to join up with Jesus Christ

P-please

>>36000

It's just banter, lad. No one here is stupid enough to believe in this dross. They are just playibg around in character. /jp/ is a god fearing Christian board.

>>36000

Three posts under a post advising anon to read Chesterton, this is the question you choose to ask?

>>36013

Well yeah because there are both people trying to do magic and people trying to follow Christ in this thread

>>36015

But magic isn't real

>>36016

Nope sorry bible either directly confirms it or attributes it to demons.

I've been thinking about the 7 deadly sins recently.

Up until now I always thought of them as bible mumbo jumbo which people back in the days made up in order to create moral guidelines for a working society.

But I've come to realize that these things are very real parts of my human self and that they are states of minds which bring me closer to a uncontrollable darkness inside of me. They prevent me from becoming the person I want to be.

I've decided to focus my mind on them and actively oppose them, and every time I do manage to not get sucked in by this darkness I can feel something that's like a light glowing from my heart.

>>36180 Here's a decent framework for you http://www.eudaemonist.com/biblion/characters/

>>36180 Here's a decent framework for you https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1&version=NABRE

>>36180

Sugoi senpai. It's just like in my animes.

Those damn occultists always go on about how they know the truth with their occult knowledge while everyone else is being lied to, but what if they are also lying to me?

There was a time I'd spend whole days on /fringe/. Absorbing the information from various sources on the Internet all day. Reading and watching so much about all kind of topics. It was so much fun. It was a mania, some kind of a schizophrenia. I miss it. Nowadays I just play League of Legends and watch twitch.tv.

>>35644

i gained enlightenment back in september.

aesthetics > truth

Thanks to occult study I've realized that our world is a beautiful place filled with amazing people

Because of my lack of understanding of how the world works I've become a person who doesn't even know what happiness feels like.

>>37421

Are you me

>>36180

It's been a while since I made this post, so I've decided to review my theory.

I've come to realize that most things that make us commit sins or that are "evil" are results of coping mechanisms. Someone who feels inadequate in their life will be likely to commit the sin of pride, someone who has had a shit day might try to mitigate it by commiting the sin of gluttony and so on. Now, I'm not trying to make these things seems more harmless.. It's human nature and can happen to the best of us, but when we build habits around these sins then we are heading straight into the darkness.

The best thing I can do is to become aware of these things before they feed the fires of my sinful habits. This way I can analyse them and reduce their influence over me.

Well, of course that's easier said than done, it's really hard to get rid of habits.

I've been watching these kind of videos lately, Mark-chan can be so silly.

>>39159

I'd say that you are on your way to truly understanding yourself. I'm the crazier one here. In other news, the only positive trait according to that is Persistence.

>>39160

>I'm the crazier one here. In other news, the only positive trait according to that is Persistence.

So, what you are getting at is that your male "action" side is the dominent one, and the only positive way you are expressing it is persistence. I don't know your mind so I can't really make any comments about what you just said, but I'd like to explain what I meant by "I can oddly to this" picture.

I've looked into myself and tried to negotiate with 2 differents part of myself, one being driven by desire and the other one being driven by emotions. I've explained my goals to them and suggested that we could work together. My dominant side,that is driven by desire, sneered at me and was rather uncoorperative, but by giving him the right motivation I've worked something out with him to use his best abilities, such as his persistence, his power of motivation and his pride. My submissive side just wanted things to be okay, but I was able to convince him that with his compassion and care(so much care that he would sometimes have violent outbursts) we could greatly benefit in reaching our goal.

That was a while ago, and then I saw this picture today and it finallly clicked with me. I've read about the principle of gender so many times now, but only today I realized that these different parts of me which I talked to embody exactly these qualities, in their positive and negative forms. I was talking to my male side and my female side

>>39163

I had something similar, but to me it was unnatural. We were at war with each other, and because we both persisted neither of us could give in. I put an end to it with the imaginary sword I remembered I had. Essentially, we had different "names". I am "the chuuni" while he was "the loser", so by not calling myself an eternal loser anymore, I won. His influence still lingers (otherwise I would've been far stronger by now), but it's only that. I don't believe in duality.

>>39164

> but it's only that. I don't believe in duality.

How about trinity?

>>39165

In my eyes there can only be one main character. Therefore, I believe in singularity.

>>39166 But fuck-all was announced at Singularity...

>>39175

What do you mean by that?

>>39166

The way I see it insiting on singularity is like only using 1/3 of your potential strenght

>>39196

But I'm 100% me. There are no 2/3rds that I'm missing, at least from my point of view.

>>39198

Of course you are you, but ther are parts to you that are also you. And making peace with these parts is very helpful, at least for me

>>39199

I define those "parts" of which you speak as simply being me. Sometimes I'm leaning more towards being a chuuni and sometimes I'm leaning more towards being an edgelord, but I don't perceive such differences as me suddenly being someone else.

>>39200

That's my point, they are you, it's just that they are parts of you which you can become aware of and come into harmony with.

>>39201

I'd say that I am in harmony with myself, as long as I can visualize the boundaries that define me.

>>39202

So what would happen if you would blur these boundaries? You would still be you, with all the parts that include yourself. But rather than having 1 part to draw power from you could have multiple parts to look at which you can analyze , work together with and draw upon their powers when needed

>>39207

Unironically sage advice. So much so, I will set it as my email. Thank you anon

>>39225

But your email is still "sage". Well, either way I'm glad that you enjoyed my theory about the nature of the world, which I came up with through my love for Yukarin.

Everything can be explained with boundaries. Creation itself happened because lines were drawn in the primordial chaos. The fact that I'm not the same as this old notebook I'm holding in my hand is proof that there's something that separates between us.

What I'm trying to say is that normalfags basically cannot be considered human.

>>39228

That's because Yukari possesses supernatural powers. The supernatural goes against the laws of nature by definition. I possess no supernatural powers, so I cannot really say much about my thoughts on them, let alone know if such things really exist.

I have experimented with drawing boundaries on an imaginary level though. The imaginary girlfriend that I sometimes bring up is a result of such an experiment, although it was fueled by me reaching peak depression combined with knowledge on the existence of tulpas. I basically just defined the imaginary boundaries for this imaginary person and threw a bunch of traits I wanted her to have (like "has big boobs" and "wants me to succeed") into it.

>>39229

Everything is mental.In order for something or someone to be created they have to be in someones mind first. Yukari was in ZUNs mind and gave birth to her, that imaginary was in your mind and you gave birth to her and we were....in someones mind too at one point prior to our creation. That notebook is as much mental as you are, and yet real. Boundaries are merely illusions.

>>39230

I'd have to disagree with you there. I think "boundaries" are something that can be expressed as naturally as numbers can. This school of thought seems to be prevalent in nearly all cosmogenic myths, as well. It typically starts with the watery "Chaos" being split to create Earth and Sea/Sky (this isn't just about Genesis. Go look up the origin story of any old cult and you'll see that they generally all follow this theme), and both just being suspended in different directions for some reason. But I think this is only an expression of a more basic concept: Disparity, difference.

Though I personally subscribe to the view that the world is all just different arrangements of one fundamental element (binary information, you could say), rather than a boiling pot full of all different sorts of ingredients, it's still hard to not see those "boundaries" as a real thing in nature. Even if the entire world is just a grid/line made up of one "thing" that's more dense in some areas than others, I think there's the potential to have parts define themselves as being separate from any other part.

Sorry, I kind of wandered off on different tracks of thought and came off as being kind of schizophrenic, but I think there's at least some meaning in what I was saying. Not the Yukari lover, by the way.

>>39241

Please check this video and go to minute 22. What do you think about this person thoughts on the big bang and the world in general?

I geniounly want your opinion on it

>>39245

As the Yukarifag, I did not enjoy this video. It made me feel frustrated. It didn't even pay much attention to what the title of the video is. I could say that the title is a lie. I perceive everything as lies, even the words of the man speaking in this video. He makes himself sound like he knows the truth to everything. Everything is an illusion, unless it can be proven otherwise. My thoughts are the only proof of my existence, therefore I think. Thinking is basically all I have.

>>39245

I think it's more of a semantic issue, and I'm generally partial to either interpretation. After all, the idea that you're this matryoshka, the currently lowest level of the guy who coined your surname, or even the combined vomit of several dying stars is kind of cool. But I think it's not very sensible to actually think along those lines.

I don't think saying that "we are" the world is any less of an abstraction as saying "we are part of" or "we are in" the world, and really, all you're doing by trying to negate the meaning of words is pissing everybody off.

For example, at one point he described humanity as a sort of "squiggle" in a line as part of his analogy, and decided to insist on generalising the entire thing as just a "squiggly line" (I didn't go back in the video to get his exact words, I don't remember where it was at). But I think that's ridiculous, the universe itself isn't just a generalisation like that, the "line" is made of a whole bunch of precise, distinct line segments, marked at every deviation in angle, and you can't deny the existence of those deviations, so the least you should do is acknowledge it as an equally valid interpretation.

Anyway, I probably just said a whole lot of nonsense, hope that somebody can find something in this, or else I'm just being an idiot again.

>>39246

As above so below.

Know yourself and you will know the universe

>>39255

I know myself, but I don't know anything else. How can you explain that?

>>39260

I don't really see much of a correlation between me and the world. I feel more at home in my quiet little self-made world. Since it is imaginary, as long as I can imagine my world, it exists. On the other hand, I have no proof this world exists at all. I can smile in my world, as can I engage in silly activities like walking around in a circle 666 times or dressing up my imaginary girlfriend like every Touhou character that comes to mind except Yukari. Actions don't have consequences and I have nothing to fear. I don't hate the real world though. I can't exercise without the real world, I can't read weird visual novels without the real world, I can't walk a path of righteousness to become stronger without the real world and I unfortunately can't browse the internet without the real world. It's just awfully noisy. Also, there's a big part in my character description that states that I never give up, meaning that I won't give up on the world.

I answered most questions as "neutral", so all ratings are basically way higher than they should be

>>39278

Far less extreme than mine. Interesting.

I felt something extremely bizarre while meditating last night. Around halfway through my session, I felt as though my eyes were open and twitching, which is odd considering that my eyes were actually closed and not really moving. Because it was bugging me, I focused for a bit on closing my eyes over and over. Then for a second I felt something I have never felt before, I felt as though I had at least five (likely more) more eyes. They weren't attached to me physically, as I could feel them above me. At the same time I could tell that they were mine. The feeling stopped after that moment, but it stuck to me. After finishing my meditation session I wrote about it not in my dream notebook, but rather in my old "paranormal investigations" notebook that I haven't wrote anything in for some time now.

Naturally, I started thinking of fictional characters associated with having more eyes than normal. At first I thought of Titan from Kamen Rider Stronger, but then I remembered that I'm a huge fool who always picks the wrong option. So I went back and picked the right option, which was to associate the phenomenon with the youkai of boundaries. Everything that happened could really just be a product of my mind playing tricks on me, but it's fun to speculate that I'm somehow like Yukari in a way.

>>39283

Maybe you opened your third eye chakra, who knows.

I've seen a bunch of video with people explaining how that feels like, but it all sounds questionable. However, ever since I started meditating I've been feeling a tingling sensation in my forehead. I might just be my prefontal cortex "growing" because I'm training it through meditation, but I like to believe that someday my pineal gland will pop and I also open my third eye.

Well that's just a chuuni fantasy of mine, if it never happens then that's fine to me too..

Ever since I started researching occult stuff I've picked up so much information which sounds fantastic at first glance but very questionable at the same time. I've decided to remain open minded to the possibilities but ultimately only really believe the things that I can experience for myself..

>>39286

But isn't a third eye supposed to just be one extra eye?

>>39287

From what I understand it's basicly giving you special vision of things that are usually unseen, so it's possible that the sensation felt like having many extra eyes to you

>>39288

Oh yeah, and keep in mind that this vision might not even be in the form of actually seeing things. Maybe you will be able to sense them with your real eyes closed

>>39297

But I'd say that it's still the most consistent out of the three of us. I'm pretty sure that the test isn't supposed to evaluate you as a person, but rather to evaluate how you are on a spiritual level.

>>39298

But is the goal of these really to have them be consistent? Wouldn't it be better to have more of the first ones so that you have them finished?

Anyways, it's funny how it gave me this result even though I gave really antisocial answers like "I don't trust most people at all"

the only magic in this world is violence.

only jewz think words, symbols, and esoterics have magical power.

>>39310

Whether the belief that there are such beings as witches is so essential a part of the Catholic faith that obstinately to maintain the opposite opinion manifestly savours of heresy. And it is argued that a firm belief in witches is not a Catholic doctrine: see chapter 26, question 5, of the work of Episcopus. Whoever believes that any creature can be changed for the better or the worse, or transformed into another kind or likeness, except by the Creator of all things, is worse than a pagan and a heretic. And so when they report such things are done by witches it is not Catholic, but plainly heretical, to maintain this opinion.

Moreover, no operation of witchcraft has a permanent effect among us. And this is the proof thereof: For if it were so, it would be effected by the operation of demons. But to maintain that the devil has power to change human bodies or to do them permanent harm does not seem in accordance with the teaching of the Church. For in this way they could destroy the whole world, and bring it to utter confusion.

Moreover, every alteration that takes place in a human body - for example, a state of health or a state of sickness - can be brought down to a question of natural causes, as Aristotle has shown in his 7th book of Physics. And the greatest of these is the influence of the stars. But the devils cannot interfere with the stars. This is the opinion of Dionysius in his epistle to S. Polycarp. For this alone God can do. Therefore it is evident the demons cannot actually effect any permanent transformation in human bodies; that is to say, no real metamorphosis. And so we must refer the appearance of any such change to some dark and occult cause. And the power of God is stronger than the power of the devil, so divine works are more true than demoniac operations. Whence inasmuch as evil is powerful in the world, then it must be the work of the devil always conflicting with the work of God. Therefore as it is unlawful to hold that the devil's evil craft can apparently exceed the work of God, so it us unlawful to believe that the noblest works of creation, that is to say, man and beast, can be harmed and spoiled by the power of the devil.

Moreover, that which is under the influence of a material object cannot have power over corporeal objects. But devils are subservient to certain influences of the stars, because magicians observe the course of certain stars in order to evoke the devils. Therefore they have not the power of effecting any change in a corporeal object, and it follows that witches have even less power than the demons possess. For devils have no power at all save by a certain subtle art. But an art cannot permanently produce a true form. (And a certain author says: Writers on Alchemy know that there is no hope of any real transmutation.) Therefore the devils for their part, making use of the utmost of their craft, cannot bring about any permanent cure - or permanent disease. But if these states exist it is in truth owing to some other cause, which may be unknown, and has nothing to do with the operations of either devils or witches.

But according to the Decretals (33) the contrary is the case. “If by witchcraft or any magic art permitted by the secret but most just will of God, and aided by the power of the devil, etc . . . . ”

The reference here is to any act of witchcraft which may hinder the end of marriage, and for this impediment to take effect three things can concur, that is to say, witchcraft, the devil, and the permission of God. Moreover, the stronger can influence that which is less strong. But the power of the devil is stronger than any human power (Job xl). There is no power upon earth which can be compared to him, who was created so that he fears none.

>>39310

Answer. Here are three heretical errors which must be met, and when they have been disproved the truth will be plain. For certain writers, pretending to base their opinion upon the words of S. Thomas (iv, 24) when he treats of impediments brought about by magic charms, have tried to maintain that there is not such a thing as magic, that it only exists in the imagination of those men who ascribe natural effects, the cause whereof are not known, to witchcraft and spells. There are others who acknowledge indeed that witches exist, but they declare that the influence of magic and the effects of charms are purely imaginary and phantasmical. A third class of writers maintain that the effects said to be wrought by magic spells are altogether illusory and fanciful, although it may be that the devil does really lend his aid to some witch.

The errors held by each one of these persons may thus be set forth and thus confuted. For in the very first place they are shown to be plainly heretical by many orthodox writers, and especially by S. Thomas, who lays down that such an opinion is altogether contrary to the authority of the saints and is founded upon absolute infidelity. Because the authority of the Holy Scriptures says that devils have power over the bodies and over the minds of men, when God allows them to exercise this power, as is plain from very many passages in the Holy Scriptures. Therefore those err who say that there is no such thing as witchcraft, but that it is purely imaginary, even although they do not believe that devils exist except in the imagination of the ignorant and vulgar, and the natural accidents which happen to a man he wrongly attributes to some supposed devil. For the imagination of some men is so vivid that they think they see actual figures and appearances which are but the reflection of their thoughts, and then these are believed to be the apparitions of evil spirits or even the spectres of witches. But this is contrary to the true faith, which teaches us that certain angels fell from heaven and are now devils, and we are bound to acknowledge that by their very nature they can do many wonderful things which we cannot do. And those who try to induce others to perform such evil wonders are called witches. And because infidelity in a person who has been baptized is technically called heresy, therefore such persons are plainly heretics.

As regards those who hold the other two errors, those, that is to say, who do not deny that there are demons and that demons possess a natural power, but who differ among themselves concerning the possible effects of magic and the possible operations of witches: the one school holding that a witch can truly bring about certain effects, yet these effects are not real but phantastical, the other school allowing that some real harm does befall the person or persons injured, but that when a witch imagines this damage is the effect of her arts she is grossly deceived. This error seems to be based upon two passages from the Canons where certain women are condemned who falsely imagine that during the night they ride abroad with Diana or Herodias. This may read in the Canon. Yet because such things often happen by illusion are merely in the imagination, those who suppose that all the effects of witchcraft are mere illusion and imagination are very greatly deceived. Secondly, with regard to a man who believes or maintains that a creature can be made, or changed for better or for worse, or transformed into some other kind or likeness by anyone save by God, the Creator of all things, alone, is an infidel and worse than a heathen. Wherefore on account of these words “changed for the worse” they say that such an effect if wrought by witchcraft cannot be real but must be purely phantastical. But inasmuch as these errors savour of heresy and contradict the obvious meaning of the Canon, we will first prove our points by the divine law, as also by ecclesiastical and civil law, and first in general.

>>39315

I like Ciel

>>39321

Why?

>>39329

Because Ciel is cute. I like cute things.

>>39321

I don't particularly like her, I just thought it'd be a funny way to finish off an excerpt from the Witch-Hammer

>>39365

/jp/ is a christian board. Deus Vvlt brothers

>>39366

indeed

What if Lambdadelta is real?

>>39372

Define real.

Someone had the idea of creating her in their mind, and so they did and put her into a game. And now many people know her, she lives as a part of everyones mind. Isn't that real?

>>39383

If you want to get semantic, those are only virtual representations, and not, in fact, the idea manifested in reality. Just so you don't misinterpret me and we go way off track, I mean "virtual" without the "digital" connotation

I've been thinking that with the little bit of knowledge I have I could probably impress normal people enough to start a cult.. Not a cult with any meaningful values, just a group of people I can influence and command as I please for my selfish desires.

No wonder the new age has so many followers, that stuff is easy.

>>39507

You heard about that SM sex cult thing going around on the news? I was amazed that shit like that can really happen in real life. Anyway, without at least a vague principle to start up the "culture" part of the cult, nobody's going to join. What you do is hook one or two genuine maniacs in, and keep the rest in via extortion. They aren't really a thing people "join", just a thing you keep people in.

I'm going to try and make my own paper amulets (like the ones Reimu has). I'll make them out of sacred middle school notebook paper and write stuff on them in English. I'll first need to decide what intentions are worth channeling into such things. I don't really have much of a reason why I'd want such things other than how I think it would be cool.

I know that it likely comes off as stupid and childish, but I think that it's nice that I'm doing stuff like this as I used to back in those dreamlike days. The difference is that now I'm a stronger person, one who doesn't try to summon demons and fail through believing that putting a drop of his own blood in a strange drawn symbol is enough to summon Satan. Intention, will and determination are all key parts in this what I consider to be magic.

>>39511

Good luck with that. Belief can be a pretty powerful thing.

After much thought of what I should place as an intent within a piece of paper, I decided that I would create one that specifically exists to counter something specific, in this case one of the sins which I keep fighting. The sin I randomly decided on was the sin of wrath. I had to do it on that day (yesterday), so I got to work. Obviously, cutting out a piece of paper and writing stuff on it isn't hard at all, but I just wondered how I would apply the "magic" imbued within said piece of paper to achieve its purpose. I made the inscription on the paper very short and made sure it was written three times on the piece of paper. Then it hit me, the existence of this paper is to "attack". Therefore, I had to "attack" with it. Now the question was how, but to this question I quickly thought of an answer. I held the paper in such a way that it right on my knuckle and each edge of the paper was being gripped by my fist. I chanted the incantation countless times, took aim on the now grounded incarnation of my personal sin of wrath and threw a punch. Now I feel far less wrathful. My sin of wrath was always on the weaker side compared to the others, but it was a disgusting sort of wrath that I didn't like at all. Defeating weaker enemies first isn't always a bad idea, because then you get some EXP that you might need before facing the bigger bosses. I guess if I were to make one which is focused on "defense" then the idea would be to just leave it lying around and chant the incantation from time to time so that it does not run out of power.

I'll explain the idea behind these pieces of paper another time.

>>39656

Keep us posted.

When I was younger, I felt betrayed by the world so I wrote down the word "HATE" until it filled an entire sheet of paper. Constantly saying or writing the same word or phrase over and over is nothing new to me. It's part of my nature. I noticed how after a word repeats itself enough, it begins to sound odd, alien and perhaps abnormal, and that fact interests me. This is where the idea behind the incantation inscribed on the paper. Paper is another thing that I feel connected to, as is my connection to writing in general. In my personal world, which I remind you is an empty desert, I often write down things on the sand. All of these elements, combined with how I thought it would be really cool if I had paper amulets like the ones Reimu had, influenced the creation of these pieces of paper. Here are the steps I followed to create one:

1. Acquire paper. It could be any size, but I prefer them at a the smaller size like the paper amulets commonly seen in anime.

2. Write words on paper. It has to be short, but the rules here are pretty loose. It must be written multiple times, with three being the minimum.

3. Congrats! You did it.

4. To activate, the words must me chanted until it starts sounding otherworldly.

I thought about the whole "attack" and "defense" thing I brought up last time, and figured it would make more sense for it to be "active" and "passive" instead. "Active" ones are more about being able to apply more power to what you're focused on, while "passive" ones are more about putting power in places you aren't planning on focusing on.

I could probably write a shounen battle manga with this premise.

>>40525

Go for something a little more obscure. That'd be much cooler.

>>40558

Any ideas on anything thats more obscure?

I still haven't decided on what to get.

But I've actually revised my idea, I still think it's a good idea to carry around a symbol, but rather than it being something that's already out there I should make it a symbol that carries personal meaning for me, something that symbolizes all the things that are important to me and that keep me going.

>>40804

Well, I don't know which things are important to you and keep you going, but as for obscure symbols, I'd go for something lesser-known, or less celebrated artefact. Maybe an object from Roman mythology like whatever Mercury's thing was, or if you want to be simple, just get a picture of the Sun or something. Old coats of arms might be good inspiration, since those people had to deal with the same problem of having to come up with some vaguely cool-looking bullshit.

Just don't get some bullshit modern art abstract nonsense though, I can't stomach that gross stuff.

>>40805

A sun pendant sounds good, sun symbolism is pretty commonplace but it definetly has some aspects that I like very much. I've also thought about something with a flame on it to symbolize the inner fire that keeps me going.

I found that there's a difference between between my "naturally created" magic and my "intentionally created" magic.

The magic that was created naturally includes specific ideas which just sprung into existence without my conscious intervention. It includes things like my inner world, the specific set of words I believed possessed power over the world when I was young, and Pitch-Black Tentacles. These things all possess quite a bit of power on an illusionary level, but the whole point is that they cannot be intentionally created. They do not possess any sort of incantation or activation process either.

On the other hand, intentionally created magic is far weaker and requires specific activation processes and incantations to work, but can be pretty much whatever I want it to be. This means that that I could create something specific to defeat a sin or attempt to use it to make my right shoulder hurt less.

My imaginary girlfriend is a mixture of both, since her fundamentals are naturally created while the detains that make her up, like her breast size, are made from intention.

>>40884

Have you made any progress on tapping into the power of your subconsciousness recently?

I've become much better at not being influenced by it as much anymore. I'm now able to put up a fight against ideas that just jump out of the mysterious black hole in my head (that's how I like to imagine my subconsciousness). Part of me believes that someday I'll have some kind of epiphani and the latent powers that are sealed within my mind will be mine to control. But isn't this kind of thinking exactly what would keep me away from an epiphani? It's such a pain in the ass sometimes to have these kind of stupid fantasies which subconsciously raise my expectations to impossible heights and sometimes I feel like punching my own head because of it. But oh well. I'll keep working hard to figure things out eventually.

>>40884

>the specific set of words I believed possessed power over the world

Let me guess... Wouldn't be, "I AM", right? I think that one's lame, and pretty overused.

>like her breast size

How big exactly? This is IM.MENSE.LY important.

>>40907

I think that the things and sensations I experience while deep in meditation might be me tapping into my subconscious.

>>41107

Not "I am". They were something else, but I do not want to say what they were. I will say that they were really just a delusion I had, since they couldn't even cause/prevent something like rain.

>How big exactly?

Good question! Her breasts are I cup and exactly 99cm, as 9 is my lucky number and I is the 9th letter of the alphabet. "I" also refers to my self-centered nature.

I've been getting trying to get into contact with my subconsciousness and what I'm getting back is mostly nonsense. But just attempting to do that has given me a better idea what it does and what it is responsible for in my head. It feels like I'm trying to talk to the wind.

>>41302

~The wind does not hear~

~The wind CANNOT hear~

if only i could do astral projection. i remember one time when i was a lot younger i achieved it by accident and flew around randomly because i had no idea what i was doing. another time years later i firmly remember getting my entire upper body up, but couldn't really leave because my legs were stuck.

Deep in meditation I suddenly found myself facing a "god". I'm not sure why whenever I think about this individual I refer to him as a god, but it just feels right that way. I specifically refer to him as Dice God. This isn't the first time I encountered him though. Many years ago I had a dream (which I didn't bother documenting) about me being in some sort of snowy world full of non-humans which I helped out. This Dice God person was there too, but he seemed to be an outsider just like me. The dream was posed in a way that he was the one who brought me into that specific world to begin with. He spoke a lot about gambling terms and the concept of rolling dice, explaining the name I gave him.

Anyways, I was just minding my own business meditation and he suddenly shows up out of nowhere and asks me if I'm a "ご" or a "じ". And yes, he was somehow speaking in Hiragana, despite that not really making any logical sense. Anyways, I have no idea what the HECK he meant by this.

Any ideas?

>>41631

>and he suddenly shows up out of nowhere and asks me if I'm a "ご" or a "じ"

Could mean alot, theres tons of words that start with these. Sorry, my japanese isnt good enough to figure that out.

>. I specifically refer to him as Dice God.

So he is a good who governs over randomness you say. Maybe that has to do with vacuumfluctuation, since they are seemingly random too. But the thing is that there is no true randomness, every event is connected and can be traced back to other events. So maybe he's a god of fate.

>>41631

Didn't bother posting in the dream thread, and I shouldn't really post it here, but in one of my dreams among others the other day, I threw these candies at 2D girls to abduct them, and they turned into casino dice like some kind of pokemon. Don't know how you're meant to hold a pebble inside one of those though, let alone a girl.

Anyway, are you a ごku, or a Beじta?

This is the second time. The second time in a row in which I've encountered some sort of entity, which not only seemed more "real" than a mere thought, but was also fully capable of conversing with me. I have no idea what's happening anymore. Could it be that I accidentally broke the limiter on my insanity that restricted me to just my imaginary girlfriend and chuuni fantasies, or could it be that I'm actually transcending my limits?

Anyways, there were three silver-haired girls, all of whom were identical and spoke in unison. I can consider them to all be the same being. She qualified as a "demon" in my eyes, but not an especially bad one. This demon seemed to be one I'm familiar with. I'm not sure why that would be the case though. Maybe a dream I've forgotten of.

So anyways, she started talking to me about how tents are bad and are a source of evil. Despite using the word "tents", it seemed as though she actually said the word "beds". I'm not sure how to properly describe such an occurrence. She also said to not indulge in VNs too much, specifically saying that "they'll waste your time", as if implying that my "time" is suddenly important. She still made me feel kind of uncomfortable though. I'm a man who prefers big titties.

I always meditate on my bed, never questioning if there might be a better way. But I just meditated on the floor. It was an interesting experience. I wonder if this was what she wanted me to do.

>>41673

I never had anyone to tell me something like that. In a way, I almost wish someone would so that I could come up with a justification that goes beyond something edgy like "You can't understand because you're simply human".

>>41674

Same. I wish people would try to give me reality checks more often and question what I'm doing.

>>41673

That part came pretty surprising too bad the rest of the show was shit.

>>41676

I'll take your word for it, reading the plot on wikipedia really does make it seem boring. If all of it would be like this scene, where dumb chuunis fail at human interactions and get punished for it, then I'd totally watch it.

>>41677

It was watchable I guess, but no this was the only scene like this.

>>41673

I remember when this was a meme.

Today I closed my eyes while having a few moments of peace at a very crowded and loud place. And as I was trying to meditate I felt like I was able to feel a black bar which was part of the darkness between my eyes. To even say that it was a bar would be too much, it was more like the shade of a horizontal bar. However I was able to clearly feel it, and could move it into a vertikal position at will. In horizontal position it felt like it was forming a horizon just between my eyes and my mouth which stretched away to both sides. When I moved it into vertikal position it felt like something in my forehead moved, even though it wasn't physically moving. In vertikal position it aligned with my nosebone.

On top of that I was feeling like I had realized void, having these lines and moving them back and forth made me think about infinity and lines stretching into every direction, until they had formed a perfect sphere around something which started out as a cross. All my emotional troubles became meaningless and I was starting to appreciate the infinite possibilities of the void and my own mind.

Eventually reality caught back up with me and I had to keep going, but I wanted to further inspect this feeling at home. But when I finally arrived home I was unable to recreate it, I could merely imagine them which didn't feel the same way. This is pretty frustrating. I felt like I made a small breakthrough, but I guess all I did was make myself high for a bit.

I went to a monthly inroduction session at a buddhist center last week. I was curious about how things work there and if I might be able to learn anything useful in my pursuit of mental liberation. It all started out nice with the speaker explaining roughly that buddhism isn't about believing in gods and that karhma means that to every action there is a reaction and so on and so forth. Also they preached about self reflection and being useful to the world around you. It got really weird when we finally started to meditate. They made us imagine that some gold glowing person with a golden crown is shooting beams of light into us which was supposed to trigger certain feelings inside of us. It literally felt like someone was trying to intrude into my mind, and no matter how hard I tried to follow the instructions and no matter how hard I tried to stay openminded towards this, I just couldn't get into it. To me this was the opposite of self reflection. After that we were made to loudly chant "kamapachano" 108 times in unision, which was simply irritating. At the end of it people started to sing a poem in tibetian, with no translation whatsoever. It was supposed to be some poem of a protective black mantle. One of the speakers explained this whole process as "putting on the buddha mask until you are enlightened". I left that place with disappointment. Yesterday I read in a book about buddhism something very similar to these practices. Appearently what happened there was tantric meditation. You are supposed to put yourself into the shoes of certain meditation deitys, until you become just like them in mind, speech and behaviour. Also they are not really deitys, but rather symbols of great people who achieved enlightment in the past and who represent certain "enlightened qualities". It would have been nice if this could have been explained to me at the buddhist center, then the whole thing would have made more sense to me. But overall I'll stick with exploring sutra practices instead.

In a fit of autism, I attempted to describe the planes of existence according to my visions while deep in meditation. I didn't apply much logic into this, I just wrote down (and am now typing) the contents of my head, as absurd as it might be.

The Real World is the place where we live. It includes this universe and hypothetically many more universes if the multiverse theory is true. The laws of physics work here, which is unique to this plane.

The Dark World, as I refer to it, is where dead people go, where people dream and where there are monsters and stuff. Thinking hard enough there can actually change reality and it's impossible to truly die there (at least I can't). The Dark World is impossibly large, likely many times larger than the Real World. People who are alive are spontaneously in the Real World and in the Dark World at all times, although they are mostly in the Real World as long as they aren't sleeping/unconscious/etc, in which case the situation is reversed. Paranormal phenomena occur when the Dark World manages to bridge some sort of gap into the Real World. One specific landmark in the Dark World is my world, which is a comfy place where no one except me and my imaginary girlfriend are allowed into.

There's also a place called the Beyond World, are at least I think there is. Hypothetically its where gods are or something. Likely located on the outer edges of the Dark World. Probably not as interesting as the Dark World, but if I could go there I totally would.

There's also a place called the Stage. I do not know anything about the Stage, and it's extremely unlikely that it actually exists or isn't just a part of the Dark World. If it exists, it likely exists on a higher dimension far beyond everything else. If I made a 2D map of the planes of existence, it would be somewhere on the Z axis. I just feel as though it exists, even though the idea of it existing is pretty horrifying, because it means that all of this is fiction.

>>42242

Nice theories, but what exactly leads you to believe that these things are true and not just figments of your imagination?

I've heard so many occult sources talking about different planes of existence, such as the astral plane, but I'm having trouble taking that knowledge for granted until I manage to experience these planes firsthand.

>>42245

All of that wad was just a bunch of random ideas I had in my head. It's very possible that I'm just making it all up and none of it exists.

But theorizing is still very fun. If it wasn't I wouldn't have made that post.

Can I get a link to this? I just tried one, and it was the wrong site.

>>42256

I usually find it by just typing "chakra test" into google

https://www.eclecticenergies.com/chakras/chakratest

Everyone here has a developed Third Eye. Interesting.

>>42259

I'm sure it'll be less interesting when you figure out which criteria of the test correspond to it. I bet it's something like "I do not get very day-to-day strong urges to drop a watermelon from an eight-storey building".

As for the extreme changes in my own results, I was simply more inclined to not go with all of the neutral responses this time.

>>42260

Yeah that test is pretty dumb tbh, almost on the same level as these shitty personality tests you see online. Well, at least this one does try to give some advice based on the chakra teachings, but the validity of these teachings is also iffy at best. Occultism is such a handful, all these teachings sound nice and all if you understand them on an intelectual level but in order to truly understand them you have to experience the stuff. No wonder everyone thinks its a fraud.

I'm fascinated by esoterics, and the concept of magick. I tend to feel that "magick" is ultimately just another name for mind control. If the collective mind can define reality, manipulating that reality is manipulating the minds of the masses, and that manipulation snowballs (synchronicity and such).

Definitely not super read in this shit but I've been down the rabbit hole and fumbled around in the darkness for a bit. Scary experience.

Ever since I started looking into this around 2016 I noticed that my car thermometer is almost always a double digit, every single day. 77, 66, 88 etc. depending on the weather. Every single day for 2 years now. Not sure if there's any significance to that.

>>42278

>I tend to feel that "magick" is ultimately just another name for mind control

That seems to be the case on surface level, but then there are also sometimes people talking about different planes of existence which you can go up to or down to, and it really makes me wonder just how high I have to be until I can commute with spirits

>>42287

Don’t mess with the Blue Ones man, that’s how you end up in the news.

On a side note, anybody here got plans for October 22nd?

>>42296

What's happening on October 22nd?

All of those anthropologists and new age simply nutjobs don't get it. The Akashic Records were never meant to be readable memory, I seriously don't care whether you think you're an ESPer or you can "read the waves" or whatever, you're missing the point. Just the simple thought that all things are preserved and indexed in perfect form has always brought relief to people, even if it can never be accessed by anything. It's simply a philosophical analogy for the Universe itself. The Universe is complete and whole, the data it represents might be finite, sure, but you can trust it to have never misrepresented any moment of its past.

To make the idea simpler, consider somebody in a superreality mounting the world itself as some kind of memory storage device in his computer. The device contains a perfect reproduction of all of space and time. As long as the computer and its software is capable enough to browse all of the data and save the interesting bits somewhere else (though such arbitrary distinction would normally be frowned upon by archivalists), then you can say that data was saved from destruction.

Now consider this; to us, it makes absolutely no difference as to whether any such "superreality" never exists, because it never affects us in any way. Therefore, whether things are "lost" or not don't matter IN THE LONG RUN.

Well obviously, there's two gaping holes in my argument:

1. An inaccessible archive should matter just as little to us as an inaccessible computer user.

2. Time as a dimension doesn't actually exist at all─ we're probably not some ISO image but volatile RAM. Once the Big Freeze comes and the final black holes cool down, all that'll be left is zeroes (if that). I'll admit this argument is pretty dubious, since there's really no way to prove things one way or another.

Still, I think that's the reasoning behind the concept's creation. The first argument is really only a personal one, and could be disagreed with by some who believe a Sky NEET might really exist out there somewhere, and they feel unconditional love for it, even though that love will never be reciprocated.

Gnostic thought systems were invented because all people simply hate loss. The loss of valuable data.

Entropy is a loss of complexity in a system. The death of a person, for example, is the gross loss of data related to that personality in the arbitrary and highly partial, but still fair and well-defined system of a person's experience, both their known world and any future potential for its progression. Despite impressions, this data isn't actually awfully complex. You see, the antithesis to entropy is any system which retains a "meaningful" and paradoxically somewhat similar form throughout the passing of time.

It's not necessarily complexity that we should strive to maintain. Without internal "logic" and a tocuh of some sentimentality, data simply won't be valuable to most people.

Though as I've alluded, the preservation of absolutely all existence is the ideal. WE might find books, words, and people pretty valuable, but honestly, I wouldn't blame an alien for finding our weather and the movements of the clouds more interesting on the whole.

That's why all of this stuff about not actually being dead after you die, or the Universe having a "spectate" mode has always been around in peoples' minds. People hate loss, would you imagine that?

>>42296

The Carrington Event?

>>42325

Project Monarch, remember remember the 5th of November blah blah blah.

Coordinated effort to fuck shit up with chaos-driving memetics, especially fucky around major US elections.

Found what looks to be an old "in-construction" website on my browser. It's just this stupid fucking bullshit I don't even really agree with, but here's one excerpt from this page called "Chaos".

"There is no higher force to distinguish between mass and gap.<br>

We only believe the world to be fine-tuned to our way of life because we are the only "life" around.[...]"

Seems like a half-baked attempt at some kind of cosmological theory of everything, making reference to the Anthropic Principle and, strangely enough, barriers.

The date on it as marked as "2017/04/14" which while concerningly recent, is way before the gapfag came here. My one relief is that I'm pretty sure I knew how fucking well how stupid what I was typing was, and I might've even been looking foward to the pain of reading through it later. I do a lot of things like that.

In case it needed to be said again, I'm not the guy who goes on here about Yukari.

>>42476

Is this your first time taking this test?

"The Kybalion" and "The Arcane Teaching" are watered down versions of the texts taken from Corpus Hermeticum and Emerald Tablet of Thoth. You're better off reading those instead of that New Thought shit.

>>42516

Thanks for that piece of advice. Do you have any links to these 2 things in PDF which you deem to be reliable sources?

>>42520

>>42521

Thank you. Even though I was satisfied with the watered down versions of this knowledge, I will check these out.

How do I teach the people around me the importance of mental training? I know so many people who just walk through their life in miserable states of mind such as depression, but whenever I'm trying to help them, and make them understand that the key to succes lies within their own mind, they just ignore me. Should I just drop these people and take care of myself?

>Atkinson and Bardon

Do not listen to these two, they speak airy fairy bullshit.

>>44074

Who's a credible source for these kind of informations then? Can there even be such a thing? After all these things can only be proven internally.

>>44080

Most of occultist books are disinfo meant to lead you astray turning you into a crazy deludant, the two also shot out multiple books under multiple pen names, someone went through the trash so you don't have to.

>>44082

Wouldn't the best be to go through all of it myself and decide on my own whats trash or not? That someone might also be trying to lead me astray.

>>44085

Yes but it is a waste of time, you can waste your time doing a lot of things except reading something that's supposed to give you knowledge. However it seems we all have time to read a book, just as precaution take into consideration what it's saying and listen to yourself.

Why are we so desperate to chase an invisible world? Are we that disappointed about the limitations of the world we can currently perceive? Even if we find that invisible world and meet the fantastic creatures we've always dreamt about, what will we do then? That newfound invisible world will just be a new layer of our perception. We will feel special for being different from most people, but in the end this will not bring us the salvation we hoped for.

>>44103

Words spoken by a man who clearly has no drive to fuq his favorite 2hu.

>>44107

I indeed have no drive of that kind. I don't see the point. To me my favourite touhou symbolizes a love which goes beyond romantic feelings. I'd hate to feel some sort of sexual lust for her, in my eyes that would only be degrading towards her.

I'm going to try to befriend my shadow.

>>44251

Did that work out?

>>44463

It's an ongoing process. It's hard to communicate with "something" that's inheretly unconsciouss. When words pop into my mind I'm never sure if it's actually my shadow talking to me or me imagining that it does. But it all starts with love.

>>44468

What kind of personality do you associate with it? The common psychoanalytic concept of the "shadow", or something more straightforward?

>>44474

I guess a mix of both. Something that's there which I can't grasp, but which still influences all my mental aspects. And the the same time it's influenced by impulses.

It has been quite a while since I first read this thread. I can safely say that it changed my life. What began as a morbid curiosity for some chuuni-tier nonsense actually lead me to the key I have been looking for all my life. I'm not the same person I used to be anymore, I have made peace with alot of the things I hated about myself and I'm ready to go on a path which will lead me even further.