No.18837 [View All]
Ignoring us, mocking us, I get. We're the lowest rung of society and easy to bully. What I don't get is why so many numales and women want us not merely dead, but to suffer as well. A perfect example is the preemptive crackdown on sex dolls/bots. Aren't we already suffering enough? We merely want to sit in our rooms and only communicate on the internet. The vast majority of us don't hate women. In fact, we really want to be allowed to love women. What we hate is the fact that nature made you hypergamous and gave us bad genes. We hate tinder. Do you really gain that much pleasure in knowing that we're unhappy merely because we happen to be short/ugly? How did such a large portion of society get to be this way?
Bully me all you want, I'm immune to it, but at least try to provide an answer to my questions.
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No.18948
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No.19440
>>18937
>have meaningful sexual and emotional relationships
And if it is impossible? I mean, i tried hard to achieve it - all for naught. Maybe i am just a dumb ugly nigger, but all girls i talked were not into it apparently. By that i mean i actually asked them about their goals in life, what they would like, etc. In short the most popular answer is "YOLO, family/children is for losers, being tied down to one partner instead of fucking whoever the fuck you want is stupid" that sort of stuff in one way or another in different variations, but still the same at the core. Maybe universe just hates me, because i can't find anybody who is serious about the relationship for more than five years now. Sorry for my bad English.
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No.19445
>>19440
Is there anywhere you think you haven't looked?
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No.19452
>>19440
Considering the millions of people who DO have long term meaningful relationships I'd say it's far from impossible.
How old are the girls you're talking to? They sound young if what you're saying is true. And where are you finding them? There are plenty of girls who want a quiet life at home with a man but you're likely not going to find them hangin out at clubs and bars at 2am, know what I mean?
Since no one here knows what you're like it's hard to say whether you're the problem or not. There are shitty women out there for sure but there are equally shitty men who think the world owes them some cookie cutter perfect girlfriend just because muh dik.
Also maybe you just come off as creepy if you're meeting girls and immediately trying to wife them. That shit just doesn't fly today despite the best wishes and dreams of our local "incel" community. I mean, unless you're willing to move to the middle east I suppose.. but even then all the rich old guys are the ones that scoop up the young hotties.
Of course there are other factors that get into the political and societal reasons why marriage is no longer desirable or necessary for lots of women and men alike but I'm sure we've all seen them a thousand times already and while much of it is true, people still connect one on one all the time, have loving relationships and stick together.
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No.19455
>>19452
>but there are equally shitty men who think the world owes them some cookie cutter perfect girlfriend just because muh dik
Bear in mind, no matter how much anyone denies it, there are women who act in much the same way, desiring a cookie-cutter perfect boyfriend, because muh vagina. Both deserve who they desire, but should commit to self-improvement, so they may be worthy of such specimens.
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No.19466
>>19455
>Bear in mind, no matter how much anyone denies it,there are women who act in much the same way..
No one here will deny it. I'm trying to determine if this particular anon is one of those types tho. And this anon happens to be a guy.
>Both deserve who they desire..
How so? As someone who never feels like the world owes me things I'm actually curious. Even after improving yourself I don't see how that entitles you to get whatever you desire. Maybe I'm reading you wrong.
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No.19470
>>19466
>as someone who never feels like the world owes me things
Of course the world owes you nothing, anon. Of course improving yourself does not entitle you. It empowers you. Use your power to satisfy your desires. Ignore these words, and you will only wish to have followed them earlier.
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No.19475
>>19452
>immediately trying to wife them
>hangin out at clubs and bars at 2am, know what I mean?
I do. All of my "tries" were simply attendig the same university as me. And no, i don't start with "wifing" them out. Typically it goes like this: i meet someone whom i like/can like, we make a conversation with casual topics like the studying, weather, music, etc, then just gradually getting to know each other in the coming months. If all is good we start to make out. After some time the topic of "what's next?" or "what do you think will come out of it" comes up if we did not broke up already. Then they say what i quoted in my previous post in one way or another. Five years - five exes. It is either me being creepy and stupid, them being … whatever, or both. And yes, I am fully aware that there are decent women/girls. Must be. Most of my family members are the prime example of them. Otherwise i wouldn't be here, instead making "women are evil" posts in threads on some other boards. I thank you for actually answering me, however i don't want to derail the thread into a dating/relationship advice thing for me and other anons. What i meant (perhaps i poorly expressed it) is that life often punches you in the gut. And while i haven't lost hope despite my failures, others might. If a beggar is resentful and rude because he lost everything and failed to improve his situation time and time again seemingly (from his perspective anyway) because of reasons outside of his control, than we do not punch him in the face, right? We make unemployment subsidies instead. Same here, while there are plenty of "maninists" who are blaming women for everything from the begining, thus deserving our contemt, there are many guys who were simply fucked over in one way or another. Being annoyed because of their whining is understandable, but actually hating them for it is a bit excessive from my perspective.
>political and societal reasons why marriage is no longer desirable or necessary for lots of women
Actually curious. While i am fine with simply being in a strong relationtip without marriage, i would like to know what are the political and societal reasons for women to not marry.
>>19466
>if this particular anon is one of those types tho
It is sometimes hard to look at yourself from the other's perspective, so i hope not.
>And this anon happens to be a guy.
Is… is this bad?
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No.19476
>>19475
You won't find good people at bad places, anon. Look everywhere you can.
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No.19479
>>19475
>Actually curious.
Wealth equality between the sexes, equality under the law/voting rights, government subsidization of single mother homes, etc. just to name a few. Women are not dependent on men for financial survival and even when they can't work, the state steps in and becomes the husband/father in most western nations. The idea of marriage for love alone is mostly a modern one of fantasy. Not that it doesn't happen of course. But historically it was done as an arrangement that mutually benefited both families and often the woman had little choice in the matter. I'm not defending it, but that was the case for 99% of human history and still is in a lot of places in the world. And it changed only fairly recently. Maybe it's just growing pains. We'll have to wait and see if marriage rates get lower and lower or if it rubber-bands back to traditionalism at some point. I wish I had a better answer for you and I'm sure there are anons here who could better articulate further details for you if you are still curious.
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No.19496
>>19479
I appreciate your answer. It explained very well why marriage is no longer necessary. I wonder why it is no longer desirable though. For women i mean.
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No.19501
>>19479
>Women are not dependent on men for financial survival
Except they very much are.
Pic related. Majority of taxes are consumed by women and paid for by men.
In marriage both sexes got something out of a voluntary agreement and both provided something to each other.
In our current system it's primarily one sex that benefits and it's not voluntary. Most women are not even willing to acknowledge what is happening (probably because they would feel ashamed if they did).
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No.19520
>>19501
Of course you're not wrong and it's a good point. I get that men pay the bulk of taxes which in turn pay for social programs benefiting women more than themselves but it's done through the proxy of the state, meaning women who rely on that assistance "marry" the state and not you. I suppose it's like a weird cuck situation come to think of it.. Uncle Sam dicks your women while you get your wallet out. Yikes..
That wasn't really what I meant though, I simply meant that women, on a personal level, have equal opportunity and protection as well as privileges aka Affirmative Action under the law to pursue careers and make as much as men do if they desire, which they can then use to pay for the superficial things men provided for us in the past like housing, food, etc. That is a fairly new development in human history and I think it's fair to say it's not entirely unrelated to plummeting marriage and birth rates in the west. It's not the only causal factor by a long shot but it's one.
>Most women are not even willing to acknowledge what is happening (probably because they would feel ashamed if they did).
Nah, they benefit from it too much and in a lot of cases feel deserving of it the way American blacks think they deserve reparations from whites today just for being the same color as the people who owned their ancestors 170 yrs ago.
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No.19524
>>19520
>Nah, they benefit from it too much and in a lot of cases feel deserving of it the way American blacks think they deserve reparations from whites today just for being the same color as the people who owned their ancestors 170 yrs ago.
This "people should pay for what their ancestor's done" idea pisses me off the most. What's next? Children and grandchildren of the imprisoned should share their punishments too? Because it is the next logical step as i see it. Sorry, i am a bit dumb - how housing and food are superficial?
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No.19529
>>19524
>how housing and food are superficial?
It's called a necessity, anon. In other words basic stuff.
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No.19537
>>19524
>>19529
Guys, I think her use of the word superficial here is sarcastic.
If you have a child it's not "superficial" to provide it shelter and food, it's absolutely essential. And it is something to feel thankful for.
That's a big reason for why we love our parents even if they failed us in many other aspects.
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No.19539
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No.19540
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No.19549
>>19540
Stop trying to fucking argue in circles. Get out.
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No.19553
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No.19561
>>19553
>which circle
There you go again. You're arguing in circles.
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No.19566
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No.19567
>>19561
Why even bother saging in a forum that has like 3 active threads? 5 at best. Damn are you salty boy
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No.19569
>>19566
>>19567
I'm saging because it's off the goddamn topic. Get the fuck out of here.
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No.19571
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No.19676
>>19475
>just gradually getting to know each other in the coming months
AHAHAHAHAHA, it shouldn't take months, it should take HOURS, anon. The first two dates are info-dates, by the third date you should already know her hopes and dreams, her favourite childhood memories, her relationship with her family, her worldview and beliefs, and most importantly WHY she made these choices and not other choices, what is her reasoning?
Don't waste months on small talk with a slut, meet new girls every week and find out if they meet your standards with deep conversation.
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No.20003
>>18837
I never even encountered an incel or mgtow to direct hate at, and really I don't care.
But I do hate the current state of /r9k/ since it spiraled from a bot moderator that automutes to relationshit spamming (which was entirely socially engineered and I can not find archives of the thread that exposed this). And if anyone tells me they are a /r9k/ wizard and not an arcanine, I just think of them as the human counterpart of the monkey, banana, and cold shower experiment.
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No.20019
>>18837
Because we evolved to hate the ones who can't breed, because we need 9 months to pop a baby so we can't waste time on genetic dead ends (read: "men" who can't rape). Now die, virgin.
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No.20020
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No.20040
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No.20053
>>20040
Just because i'm saying the truth and biology doesn't mean i'm a guy, bitch.
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No.20057
Reddit is feminized and misandrist by default.
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No.20062
>>18837
I don't hate incels, I just don't really respect them either. Also, by "incel" I'm not broadly talking about men who just can't get laid, so much as I'm referring to the sub-culture that surrounds the term and the kind of dialogue these types of communities engage in.
If they were articulating some sort of critique of how modern sexual culture and relationships are organized, I might be able to find some common ground with them. But they aren't even doing that, they have no problem with these things in actuality, they're just upset that they can't participate in it to the extent that they would wish.
As for mgtows, they're just assholes.
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No.20072
>>20053
Go away, self-hating male.
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No.20073
>>18838
>tor fag
not surprised
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No.20817
Because all of you are just commie gender socialist subhumans like feminists but male type.
I despise you and all of your "you, wemen, just judge books by its cover but i'm a nice guy and u dont like me".
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No.20818
And moreover, girls don't give a fuck of you. They don't hate you, you just don't exist for them as long as you are not too close to them, obeese smelly commie-faggot.
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No.20820
You just need to be more self-confident and to believe in yourself coz you do really get what you deserve.
Just watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq_LakJTsIE
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No.20826
>>18837
Because I read parts of Elliot Rodger's manifesto and came to the conclusion that he was a truly evil human being and that only other truly evil human beings would sympathize with him.
A lot of incels sympathize with him.
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No.20833
>>19455
>Both deserve who they desire, but should commit to self-improvement, so they may be worthy of such specimens.
you just posted cringe bro
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No.20933
Not only are "men" who approve of MGTOWniggers and incelfaggots NOT men in any way, but the creatures they are advocating for literally are unfit to reproduce.
Normal women are not "hypergamous" either. That is completely absurd, and if you base your real life opinions on the craziest people you can find online, then you are obviously not a mature man/husbando material.
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No.20943
>>18837
Probably because of all the incel serial murders who kill random women for fun.
Also because incels make ridiculous claims about women all the time, as if women are part of a mystical female hivemind and only men are individual people.
Not that women don't get things wrong about men as well, but incel claims can get so fucked up that you start to wonder if they're serious… until you see another of these insane fuckers go on a murder rampage over women pseudoscience circlejerking.
Not every incel is a murderer obviously, they're a tiny percentage, but I'd never feel safe around someone who views me as subhuman. Not every incel is all that ignorant or sexist either, but it seems to me that most are.
"Nature made you hypergamous" this is what happens when you get sex ed from the toilet of the internet, as >>18843 put it.
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No.20970
Anon, you need to hang around and socialize in less radicalized spaces more often, it'll do wonders for you. In all honesty your perspective sounds like it's informed by a lack of actual coexistence with women outside of social media.
The truth is, in day to day life most of us don't care about incels or mgtows beyond the occasional "oh look this dude has some stupid ass ideas", we don't hate you, we don't care that you're ugly and we don't care that you have "obscure" interests.
Prescribing to a group that's usually linked to radical and aggressive ideals will get you aggressive responses of course, but even then it's more likely that the response was at the ideology that usually comes attached to the group than to the individuals that make it up.
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No.20973
>>18837
Because we only care about three things
1) Money
2) Abs
3) Being at least 6 ft
If you can't make par, you are literally unfit to reproduce. Sorry, sweetie, it's survival and sex for the fittest. That you would even lust after us when you won't get off your lazy ass to improve yourself for five minutes of the day shows that you deserve all the vitriol you get.
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No.20981
>>18837
>we really want to be allowed to love women.
>allowed to love
>allowed
boys ask for permission
women want men for partners, not boys
men take initiative
boys naively wait to be spoon-fed.
>nature made you hypergamous
this is worse than being a sore loser. It's Not The Critic Who Counts. nature is a competition. don't hate the players, hate the game.
>gave us bad genes.
life's not fair. that's no excuse to have a bad attitude. men don't resent bad circumstances.
>because we happen to be short/ugly?
this is superficial. the joy comes from the relief of not giving the benefit of the doubt to the boys who quit the game.
>How did such a large portion of society get to be this way?
industrial revolution. technological society has very little need for masculine industriousness. what it needs is automatons. so establish an education/media system that directs boys to become wage-operated robots (whose rewards are proportional to their time) while simultaneously discouraging self-employed work (whose rewards are proportional to their results) and vilifying institutions that traditionally encourage independent work.
>Ignoring us, mocking us, I get.
replies are a testament to dissatisfaction.
mockery is the consequence of disappointment. the pathetic thing is not the Going Your Own Way, but rather the virtue signalling.
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No.21004
>>20981
I just stoped caring a long time ago
Funny to see people still caring about this stuff
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No.21005
>>21004
Forgot to change my name
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No.21007
>>20973
>get off your lazy ass to improve yourself
>3) Being at least 6 ft
Welp I don't know how this is possible as I am only 5'5. I am muscular and studying CS but I'm not sure if that is really going to get me anywhere.
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No.21008
>>21007
The anon you're responding to is not a woman, you know? It's very clearly an incel that's juxtaposing his blackpilled worldview over a crude woman mask.
>I am only 5'5
>I'm not sure if that is really going to get me anywhere
Uglier, stupider and less talented people than you have sex. It's not because you're [X] and they are [X] that you can't find a woman and they somehow can. If it's true that you try to be better, a chance will show up for you. It's all about chances, being lucky, and never stopping or giving up.
Let's hypotesize that in a year and four months, you come across your perfect soulmate. The timeframe might not be accurate, but in time, this event will surely happen, as probability lets us know that with repeated series, even unlikely events are bound to happen. With this in mind, do you want your soulmate to meet you as you are now? Or do you want your soulmate to see a different person, one more healthy, muscular, and with a better outlook on life?
You can only meet a new person once.
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No.21009
>>21008
I think you are right. I am working on being more sociable and overcoming my OCD with a therapist. I need to do some introspection about what I want in friends and a partner so I can stop floating through life socially and take initiative to meet those who will treat me well and would be best suited to my personality. Thanks for the advice.
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