No.9862 [View All]
The Linux community is going to have to nut up and face the hard facts now.
>Windows is still superior for every day uses
>The Linux community is often stereotyped as the 'neckbeard' kind, because they are
>Little to no talent is entering the freeware and open source scene compared to commercial/corporate field
>Fewer and fewer people are utilizing Linux systems to the maximum potential it offers
Ubuntu has been a mess ever since GNOME 3. Linux Mint is seeing a slowly declining user base, Manjaro was experiencing a rising user base but is beginning to stall, and all the while-
<Microsoft Windows 10 continues to blossom, despite being loaded in malware, adware, and spyware
How can we, the Linux community, begin being seen as professional and knowledgeable computational specialists instead of overweight smelly fat guys with naked anime loli body pillows? C'mon guys, we gotta step up our game here. Linux will eventually fade out otherwise, its a wonder it hasn't already.
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No.11051
>>10203
Why do people hate systemd so much? I don't get it
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No.11055
>>11051
because it's a piece of shit and you don't get it because you're a faggot
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No.11056
>>11050
wow I hate properly designed and functional software now
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No.11066
>>11056
>systemd
>properly designed and functional software
Idiot nigger
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No.11070
>>9862
Linux neckbeards have the problem of wanting to evangelize Linux while getting butthurt at people who don't want to have to worry about software incompatibilities, dicking around with command lines, or troubleshooting problems constantly. Windows 10 sucks, but it's obvious why so many people are still using it.
At the same time, it's going to be hard to attract users away from and compete with a company worth billions of dollars whose operating systems have essentially become the default.
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No.11073
>>11051
Because it's too monolithic and goes against UNIX principles. It's adequate as an init system, which it was originally intended to replace, but the issue is it tries to do everything at once and become a dependency for anything. It's very anti-choice.
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No.11074
>>10203
>Create an IDE for Linux that is the equivalent of Visual Studio but will generate GUIs in Tk, GTK, Swing, Qt or whathaveyou but easy like Visual BASIC without having to know a bunch of bullshit like sockets and listeners to get anything done. The end user just clicks on something and it works. That's what sells people on Windows development. It's fucking easy. Everything on Linux is more difficult than it needs to be. Create a platform for creating GUIs.
Qt Creator is that IDE. It's pretty great, far better than any of the shit Microsoft put out, along with being cross platform. You can use it to develop non-Qt software just fine too, if you have a different framework of choice or don't need a GUI for your thing.
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No.11077
>>9862
>>Windows is still superior for every day uses
Stopped reading there.
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No.11078
>>11073
>Because it's too monolithic and goes against UNIX principles.
I don't like that aspect of it either. But aside from the philosophical argument, in and of itself, systemd actually works fairly well. I've had little problem making it do what I want it to do.
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No.11092
>>11078
Truthfully, my biggest problem with it has been trying to look up how to do something for my distro of choice, and nothing's working because they all decided to switch to systemd and all the posts are from two decades ago. Once I realised a lot of the things I may want to do are now systemd specific, everything clicked a lot better.
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No.11096
>>11077
Who cares about "everyday users" anyway? What's important to me is that my setup works and that I don't have to change my workflow because of changes that were made to the software I use for my work environment. Of course Linux has many problems, but being user-friendly or appealing to mainstream users should not be its intention.
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No.11113
>>11077
Sounds like you can't handle the truth.
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No.11116
>>11113
But he's right.
t. User of Linux for every day stuff.
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No.11131
>>9862
There is no saving Linux. No going back. It's pozzed by megacorp globohomo.
Time to switch to OpenBSD.
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No.11132
>>9972
>when Devuan fucks with their own project as an "april fool's joke"
>the actual devs who did it won't fess up and admit it
>so we are left with a claim that it's all a joke even though it could have been a hack or deliberate poisoning of the project
I uninstalled that trash OS as soon as their "prank" surfaced.
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No.11135
>>9862
>>9864
>>9873
fuck off wintard, I don't care about muh average users and unlike you I'm not an insecure niggerfaggot who cares what people think about something so trivial as the software I use. Fuck off and take your M$ brand ambassador shilling back to reddit/4chan.
>>9878
based
>>9959
>cant use a search engine
>calls people writing the software he supposedly wants to use lazy
lmao do you even realize how retarded you are?
>>10186
no thanks keep your capitalist bullshit out of GNU/Linux nigger.
>>10203
go back to reddit
>>10216
hey jesus
>>11018
then why are you here
>>11131
https://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html
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No.11136
>>11135
Anybody can give money to OpenBSD. But MS doesn't sit on the board like they do with Linux as a Platinum Level Linux Foundation Member. Platinum Level Linux Foundation Members include, MS, Google, Huawei, Intel, IBM, and even Apple.
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No.11143
>>11116
It's worse than Windows at using software people actually want to use.
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No.11150
>>11143
<software people actually want to use.
>implying there isn't enough shit three times more what people actually need every day
>inb4 muh photoshop to crop images
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No.11151
>>9862
You can't fix Linux. You need to fix the userbase, as evidenced by this thread (see: "muh linux is literally perfect it's everyone else that's wrong"). Or to be more specific, tell most of it's userbase to fuck off and be autistic retards about something less important.
If you want people to take Linux seriously as a consumer OS to replace Windows once and for all, then you need to start treating it as such. As soon as the user needs to open a terminal to do something basic correctly, then you've already failed. Let's start with that and not even talk about anything else yet.
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No.11152
>>11151
>muh linux is literally perfect it's everyone else that's wrong
who are you quoting?
>As soon as the user needs to open a terminal to do something basic correctly, then you've already failed.
so, windows failed?
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No.11153
>>11150
Keep this up and 2020 will surely be the year of linux on desktop, lusers will surely recognize the superiority of FOSS when you will tell them they can't use their favourite software on GNU/Linux.
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No.11157
>>9862
>Windows is still superior for every day uses
Unsubstantiated claim. Provide facts or fuck off.
>The Linux community is often stereotyped as the 'neckbeard' kind, because they are
Not my experience and, without data, you cannot substantiate that claim. My personal experience is actually the opposite of this.
>Little to no talent is entering the freeware and open source scene compared to commercial/corporate field
You realize that freeware is not associated with FOSS, right? Also, unsubstantiated.
>Fewer and fewer people are utilizing Linux systems to the maximum potential it offers
Again, unsubstantiated. Also, fewer people using Linux to its fullest potential seems to me to just be a side effect of increasing popularity.
In short, when you make a claim like this, provide numbers. You can't just make blatant, empty assertions and expect to convince anyone who isn't a mindless slug.
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No.11163
>>11153
<make stupid claim
>point out how retarded that claim is
<HURR DERP
I'd say fuck off back to reddit but even those tards have figured out by now that normalfags needs only need a browser, basic shit to write something, maybe something to play music or video - if they don't do that shit on their phones or tablets already.
>inb4 muh games
>inb4 muh business software
this isn't /v/ and companies have completely different prerequisites, if they want you to use linux you gonna do that like the wageslave you are
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No.11165
>>11150
<implying there isn't enough shit three times more what people actually need every day
>implying there is
Most people don't see the sense in switching to inferior alternatives of programs they're already using just because it's "free software." You're probably not going to have much luck convincing someone who makes music to give up FL Studio or Ableton Live and switch to LMMS or someone who does a lot of heavy-duty video editing to use OpenShot or Kdenlive instead of Premiere.
On the other hand, if your grandma just wants something to browse Faceberg with then Linux can work just fine.
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No.11167
>>11165
>Most people don't see the sense in switching to inferior alternatives of programs they're already using just because it's "free software."
most people are retarded and have no fucking clue what half that shit even means
>You're probably not going to have much luck convincing someone who makes music to give up FL Studio or Ableton Live and switch to LMMS or someone who does a lot of heavy-duty video editing to use OpenShot or Kdenlive instead of Premiere.
those aren't "most people" and you use whatever you need to make money. even a mac.
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No.11171
>>11151
>If you want people to take Linux seriously as a consumer OS to replace Windows once and for all
Why do people care about this?
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No.11172
>>11171
Windowsfags care because they want out of the M$ ride before things stop working in Windows 7 (or because they were already cursed with 10).
Linuxfags care because they're butthurt that Windows has 90% market share vs Linux's 2%. (or 97% vs 0.7% in Steam)
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No.11173
The Linux community is going to have to nut in my face and face the hard facts now.
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No.11184
WTF is Windows and why does Linux want to copy it?
Yeah, nothing I want more than dialog hell, only worse because it's a copy if a shitty UI.
Just more proof not enough people read The Unix Haters Handbook
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No.11192
>>11167
>those aren't "most people" and you use whatever you need to make money. even a mac.
There a decent amount of people who use those kinds of programs in their everyday computer usage, and it doesn't make much sense to use more than one OS if they wouldn't get much benefit from adding another one to their life.
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No.11394
>>10203
>Start burning Linux CDs
That must be some pretty old pasta, people rarely use optical media anymore. And even if you do, most distros require a DVD now.
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No.11402
I tried installing Linux on a laptop I got given on Wednesday.
It bricked it.
You know what doesn't brick laptops? Windows.
Windows > Linux
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No.11405
>>11402
And then everyone clapped.
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No.11416
>>11402
Have you tried RTFM and not being an absolute genetic dead end?
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No.11418
>>11416
>use the desktop installer on the liveusb
>it wipes the BIOS
>"Totally your fault anon."
Really gets the old neurons firing.
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No.11421
>>11418
>An installer wiping the bios or anything even close to it
I'm sorry if I don't believe something when I hear it for the first time and it sounds outlandish.
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No.11422
>>11421
Well, I ran the Xubuntu installer via the Live version, it installed fine.
Told me to reboot, which I did, then... that was it.
Now I can't boot anything. Hard drive, any further live USBs. I can't even access the BIOS.
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No.11431
>>11422
Some linux distributions not letting you access the bios on some motherboards unless you follow hardware specific instructions is not unheard of, but I've never heard of straight up not even booting to an OS.
No idea if that was an unlucky dice roll or if you bunged something up.
Also reddit spacing yadda yadda
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No.11451
>>9862
>Windows is still superior for every day uses
Debian runs faster and smoother than windows 7, 8.1 or 10 on every machine I've tested them on, if you're using gnome then yeah windows probably runs better, try something else though and it's way smoother
>The Linux community is often stereotyped as the 'neckbeard' kind, because they are
Irrelevant unless you are some unkempt basement dwelling neet yourself trying to market Linux based OSs to people
>Little to no talent is entering the freeware and open source scene compared to commercial/corporate field
This is pretty hard to quantify and also doesn't matter until we start seeing a significant decline in the end product, 1 or 2 distros being shit doesn't really matter (mint/ubuntu have been shit for like a decade)
>Fewer and fewer people are utilizing Linux systems to the maximum potential it offers
ok most windows users don't use their system to it's "full potential" either, most consumers need a computer for very basic bitch shit I don't see how that's even relevant at all
> Linux will eventually fade out otherwise, its a wonder it hasn't already.
Devs have made it clear mass adoption of their Desktop OSs is not the end goal of the projects, this is mostly a meme hence why liunux exists with a tiny market share of desktop adoption
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No.11469
>>11451
>Devs have made it clear mass adoption of their Desktop OSs is not the end goal of the projects, this is mostly a meme
Some people are so adamant about it I don't think they are memeing. Basically, as long as linux has enough users and developers to sustain itself and progress tech wise I'm fine.
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No.11507
>>11051
It's overreaching and trying to replace things that don't need to be replaced and causing this like artificial need for itself in the ecosystem because of all these forced dependencies on itself. A lot of devs are starting to realize this and opting out
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No.12824
Yesterday PM I completed a clean install of LMDE 4 over LMDE 3 on my daily driver. Jealous you are, yes?
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No.12826
>>11422
Oh, that's a systemd thing. Install OpenBSD
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No.14037
Quite often while reading books, I make notes which then help me to better master the material, as well as help to write quality research on a book. On the site https://edubirdie.com/citation/cse/ I recently found CSE Citation Generator which helps me to design citations correctly in my works.
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No.14040
There is no way to make it better than windows (desktop wise).
There can be a distro that is better at security. Another one that is better at... well, linux sucks in everything else really.
And the reason why linux can't win windows is missing center of power. Community can't do shit. It's not a center. We as a community can't agree on basic stuff like package management and gui libs.
Moreover we can't just say our package manager/gui is better. We say other ones are shit.
How am I suppose to choose a distro if community can't even recommend me one. There is always "don't use <distro> because there is better <distro2>" and "<distro2> is overrated better use <distro3>" and "<distro3>??? are you kidding?? For newcomers <distro> is better obviously".
Why am I, as let's say nvidia, will try to do anything for you if I don't even know if you're gonna be on X or wayland or some-other-shitland.
Plus, how the community, full of elitists, who thinks their precious linux is awesome and perfect, can even improve something ha? I do understand that not all every person in the community is elitist but huge amount of them are.
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No.14043
>>Windows is still superior for every day uses
windows system performance are garbage.
windows development environment is over complex outcome of complete retardatio$
>>Little to no talent is entering the freeware and open source scene compared t$
literally every current opensource implementation is better at any aspect and t$
>>Fewer and fewer people are utilizing Linux systems to the maximum potential i$
$ can use it
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No.14051
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No.14165
>>9862
You are comparing a not-new high maintenance yacht to a bunch of leaky house boats. The windows are floor to ceiling.
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No.14223
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