No.116632 [Last50 Posts]
Since the old thread has reached bumplimit a while ago, and people have stopped posting on topic I decided to make a new one in light of the new changes to /fur/ by Bell the BO.
This thread is for discussion and constructive criticism of board policies and management as well as meta questions that aren't addressed by either 8kun FAQ or Board Rules.
No political derailments or whining; make a separate /fur/-political discussion thread for that.
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Board Rules/Advice >>113084
Relaunch progress >>116518
Old Meta thread >>112701
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No.116634
Asking Bell since this is the only Meta thread not Locked
>>116619
>Inb4 Screaming about BO
I have defended many of the actions of Bell and ideas, however it would be a good to not rush in pushing out some of the policy revamps without doing a few strawpolls or something.
>Spoil images
Which images? For which threads? Topic generals like /scaly/ and /hfur/ are inherently NSFW for a major portion of content even with SFW stuff and text posts. If everything NSFW is spoiled then we can't glimpse the thumbnail and thus make a rationale to NOT click on something that doesn't look interesting. For example, the scaly thread has some 'Bara' scalies with big dicks... I don't mind them but simultaneously I don't have an interest in them. However if they're spoiled (rather than just using the already provided Hide function)I may click on them in interest only to find images I don't care to look at in full res rather than an easy-to-forget thumbnail. It also makes it harder to find previously posted images, so a user - looking for a specific spoilered porn pic - will end up clicking through spoilers opening images they may not want to trying to find it. Thus you'd be exposing NSFW to more people rather than hiding it.
>A NSFW thread will be created/encouraged alongside the SFW thread
As in a single NSFW thread? Is that what you mean? If so it'll end up becoming a porndump, which usually sinks quickly. The broader a thread is, the faster this occurs. If you want slow-burning threads with content as well as image spam, you can't limit NSFW content to 1 thread. Even dismissing the impracticality of this, Furries are inherently sexual in a majority of their content and thus most thread topics will likely have sexual content. It would make more sense for OPs to specify if they are exclusively SFW or not and thus let prudes not wander into NSFW threads and negate the need for spoiling everything. Spoiler only the OP image if necessary and let the rest of the thread be open.
>tag-like structure
What in bloody hell does this mean? OP's define thread topics which are content related, how is this like a booru tag? Scalie is a tag in e621, but that doesn't make the OP a "booru tag". Even simple topics can generate complex discussion as demonstrated.
>There shouldn't be an expectation for making porn threads opposed to threads more broadly.
While I understand this sentiment, I don't think this is a major issue, considering the fact that due to the inherent nature of 8ch/8kun /fur/ discussion and topics lengthy posts supercede porn dumps in threads that aren't specifically fetish driven (such as /hfur/ and the worldbuilding thread which have produced a ton of writefag stuff).. After all, not everyone coming here is able to think of lengthy intelligent comments and are just here to chat and post shit they liked.
Also as a suggestion: it would be good idea to feature a request thread where people can request specific images or sources that don't require a separate thread. Better yet, make a cycling /trash/ containment thread, where posters can let loose any of their shitposting urges and talk bout off topic threads within a furry 'community'
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No.116637
So Bell, are you going to set up some moderators other than yourself or what?
>spoiling images en masse without ASKING
Are you going to address the inherent flaw of your approach mentioned in >>116634?
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No.116647
Thanks for making this ahead of me. This is a lot so I'll focus on a couple things first.
>>116634
>Spoil images
The spoiler concerns are what the feature script is for. >>116520
You can turn them off all together or on a thread by thread basis. If you turn them off there's a little question mark that gets placed next to the image so you know it was spoilered.
>As in a single NSFW thread? Is that what you mean?
A single dump is what I mean. It's not as if the SFW thread is the only place where SFW content is allowed. The point is to have a dedicated place to share in bulk instead of doing that across a ton of other threads, something like you're suggesting at the end of your post. Not to say no bulk sharing is good in other places, but there are like 5 threads on the board with wide topics that reduced to almost nothing but that.
>tag-like structure
Maybe the context wasn't clear. I'm talking about threads where the topic isn't treated like just that, a topic, but a "tag" by which to aggregate content without a word or suggestion of conversation. It's not about topics being simple, but the treatment of those topics. For example, the bird thread starts off with an OP as bare as "Anything related to it" with a set of lewd images, and the same person flooded the thread with that content which basically signals "dump porn here." It's possible for those to change overtime, but this significantly skews them one way and the number of these on the board suggests that other topics should be treated similarly.
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No.116649
>>116647
Alright, thanks for the info. Sorry for the collection of rants It's just that the bumplock of the old thread and its derailment made all questions sort of dead there.
>there are like 5 threads on the board with wide topics that reduced to almost nothing but that.
Yeah that is a bit of a problem indeed.
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No.116652
>>116647
So I copied and pasted in the JS script in your pastebin for the "reveal spoilers" function.
The button showed up fine, however it seems to not work in certain threads for me, such as >>47392
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No.116656
>>116649
No worries. Honestly I was letting the old thread act as containment for a while to catch my breath.
I'll elaborate more either later or tomorrow.
>>116652
Huh, yeah I see with >>47504 only the first is revealed and the others fail. But it looks like it's because those thumbnails are 404ing. There are a handful of broken images in that thread because of its age (read years of jank server management), unfortunately.
But I did notice a mistake in the code for the button's text and fixed that.
I guess on that note I should say I'm not going to freak out over mass spoilering absolutely everything. In longer running threads it would probably be a handful of recent posts for the sake of the front page if I bother at all. It really should just be matter of courtesy depending on the context of the thread. Some of the spoilering I did ended up being a thought exercise about that so I'm still thinking about it and how to be the more precise about the issues.
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No.116660
>>116656
>elaborate more either later or tomorrow.
Gotcha
>containment
Good idea
As a suggestion a good idea would be to have A cyclical /furtrash/ thread as I suggested before, for the purposes of letting people shitpost there and not clog up other threads with crap.
>not freak over mass spoilering
Coolio
>Front page stuff
Makes sense.
Good night then, and good luck.
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No.116696
I think having a political containment thread is necessary, so that threads like >>116595 aren't created arbitrarily. It'll keep political whining off of other threads and allow for people to let out their inevitable urge to create political shitposts, without damaging other threads (or risk moderator action). The derail of the old meta-thread demonstrates this need very well from what I see. Moreover this will probably create higher PPH as people argue in the thread and possibly OC and memes as well, as channers are wont to.
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No.116706
>theme threads of the past will be making a return in a more engaging form.
>ways to organize community activity is perhaps the primary goal to achieve in this relaunch!
what are theme threads?
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No.116708
>>116696
>It'll keep political whining off of other threads and allow for people to let out their inevitable urge to create political shitposts,
Different user here. In theory this sounds good to keep it segregated, but in practice it's not good to have people that lack the restraint to control their conduct. In fact, I think it was done before and they end up breaking containment anyway. If they become penalized for it, then they inevitably accusing the higher ups of being partisan to the opposing political faction. The board still has people with diverse political views without that containment, but it's those that know how to be tame with them.
It might increase PPH to allow containment, but they're not the type of posts that are valuable since it's recycled. If you've been in one, you've seen all of them.
>people argue in the thread and possibly OC and memes as well, as channers are wont to.
You'll only see people make political OC on places like twitter and YT because they're rewarded in likes, shares/rts, comments/tweets, and overall enagement for creating multimedia. It doesn't work on imageboards since it's easy to gain engagement from attaching a copypasted screencap/reaction image to a rant.
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No.116714
>>116706
He's probably talking about the cyclical threads we used to have like Relationship Thread, which more or less boiled down to
>tfw you will never have qt furry husbando
and
>I have autism and can't tell if my boyfriend truly loves me what do I do???
plus two or three people posting somewhat sound advice between.
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No.116729
>>116708
> it's not good to have people that lack the restraint to control their conduct
While true, they're going to come here anyway and still post their shit regardless. With a containment thread Bell has a legit reason to delete political posts derailing a thread by citing containment. Nobody sane and worth dealing with is going to accuse of "partisan mods".
>I think it was done before and they end up breaking containment anyway
Because moderation threw up their hands and decided 'fuck-it' let them do anything they want... and PPH crashed like a MoFo way before August of 2019
>The board still has people with diverse political views without that containment, but it's those that know how to be tame with them.
Considering how hard they have derailed 5 threads since I've been here... they clearly have no sense of self-moderation, the old Meta thread is just a recent example. At least 2 e621 threads were derailed into whining about commies and fascists and that one fag who keeps spamming about climate conspiracies.
>been in one, seen them all
True, but who said you or I have to contribute... Its essentially a piranha tank, where we can redirect any political drivel and laugh at any whining
>Political OCs only on social media
From personal experience I'd have to disagree. As political shitflinging escalates, the angrier posters start making their own OCs to keep up with meme demand as they run out of previously made ones.
>increase PPH to allow containment, but they're not the type of posts that are valuable since it's recycled
That's the point. Political shitposts are usually worthless opinion rants, interspersed with the occasional hot take and based debunk, it isn't worth keeping, but since its already going to happen, might as well milk it for what its worth.
More Posts = More PPH = More Exposure on the Front Page = More Traffic = More Public Exposure.
Even if we don't go for a political containment thread, a general /trashfur/ thread would do some good.
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No.116744
>>116634
>Furries are inherently sexual in a majority of their content
It's a lifestyle, not a fetish, bigot.
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No.116747
>>116744
You're strawmanning. No one worth meriting considers furry a lifestyle. Everyone on this board whom argues against the "furry = fetish" thing is only saying that it's not just a fetish to many people. No one cares if you only care about furry for wank material, they care that you're asserting that it's only for wank material for everyone involved.
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No.116784
Announcement
>Archiving
The 8kun Archives system is not saving content that fall off the board, so any threads posters may have interest in should be saved at archive.is and web.archive.org (Wayback Machine) if they don't want to lose them.
Archiving content lets older posts/threads be found faster (especially if you repost the archive link in another relevant thread). This subsequently offsets pointless rehashing and other wasteful issues in threads. It also means that images that were once posted here are still saved for you even if they have been deleted in other places on the internet or if your hard-drive goes FUBAR.
<Images
Reminder
When using Wayback Machine/Archive.is to archive pages, remember that any images you wish to archive in full resolution must have their html archived separately. In other words, you have to open the image in another tab, copy the link and save it in the archive(s). This is especially important with spoilered images, since they won't be even visible in archive unless saved individually.
This may be a lot of work but if you really want those images you'll do it, even casually saving 1 image a day per thread will already be helpful. Both Archive.is and Wayback Machine have optional free browser extensions for easier use.
If anyone would like to create a CSS extension to automatically save content through those systems that would be great
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No.116795
>>116729
>More Posts = More PPH = More Exposure on the Front Page = More Traffic = More Public Exposure.
When it comes to that, I think it's preferable to have quality over quantity. Qresearch is a lot more active, but it doesn't mean that we should cater to those types imo.
Under the current ruleset, we have smart people like you who can talk things out despite us disagreeing with each other. Beforehand, people would just lie or create buzzword-laden strawman. Now they either left or are fearful to do so.
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No.116796
>>116714
>>116706
Theme threads were monthly threads where people create OC (music, art, animation, models) relating to a theme. I think it's a good time since people have been releasing free shit as a result of the current pandemic.
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No.116844
Sorry for the delay. I've been busy for a while. Let me reply to some of the fresh conversation.
>>116706
>>116714
The correct answer is >>116796
>>116784
Thanks for the advice
>If anyone would like to create a CSS extension to automatically save content through those systems that would be great
I thought about this, but unfortunately I don't have the time to look deeply into it. Would be great if someone else does.
>>116696
>>116708
>>116729
>>116795
I have some particular thoughts on political containment. I think that having an outlet for certain types of discussion can be good, but I do have a kind of "quality over quantity" mentality thinking about "containment". Instead of simply containing something troublesome and inadvertently fostering it, I would rather steer it towards a positive or unique practical purpose.
That feeling extends somewhat to the /furtrash/ idea ( >>116660 ) too, but I've got to think that over.
I've actually been planning to address some political stuff and it relates to this, but I'll write a dedicated post about it later.
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No.116900
>many threads will be saved to archive.today
>only see 2 threads total when clicking 'use url prefix'
>only 1 thread when I don't use url prefix
>thread I was lurking died
fuck
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No.116901
>>116900
I had to retype the url to https instead of http but still a thread I was lurking in was snapped.
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No.116915
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No.116916
To do a quick notice on spoilers, I do think porn should be spoilered across the board. There are no tools to tag whole threads as nsfw, and most of the threads being treated as specifically or predominately nsfw should be to begin with. The scripts take care of convenience. (Also choosing specific images to spoiler is a vanilla feature now apparently?)
Contextual polite spoilering is still something to think about outside of that, such as when deciding the appropriateness of nudity, but I shouldn't need to say anything specific about that.
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No.116917
>>116915
The old cum tributes thread I made >>113699 it wasn't big of a loss (for me or for anybody else) but alas there were some dick pics I made in there that will never be seen again due to the fact that I've had the bad habit of deleting my dick pic collections too continuously.
>>116916
How do we mass-unspoiler images? Is there a script or option for that? You haven't made that very clear and clicking every image individually eats up unnecessary 4g data on this site that already runs slower than most other sites I use.
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No.116927
CM removed the checkbox option to spoiler all images for some reason. Replacing the option still works though, so use the latest update for the script. It's necessary or it will break. I'll do exception handling to fix that another time.
>>116917
Sorry about that. And see >>116520
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No.117021
I've been away for like a year, and wow. When did Bell get so autistically particular about everything?
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No.117045
>>117040
>after the NZ shoooting
<for reasons unknown
HMMMMM I WONDER WHY?????!!!!!
>furry is a culture
Do you have a single proof
>alt account
Do you have a single proof?
>otherwise the nazis win
Derailing threads with political rants is against board rules that existed long before Bell.
>there hasn't been a single post in /furry/ for a month
Because its fucking dead and pointless considering the already low PPH on 8kun as a whole, let along splitting boards arbitrarily.
>>117021
Ever since the August shutdown all boards have been holding tight on excessive faggotry because unironic racism and idiocy was getting out of hand. /fur/ was also so slow prior to August that a reorg would benefit it.
>go to julays
Don't, not only is there nothing but shitposting but you're essentially using a bootleg 8chan for no reason.
>Spoilers
Use the new CSS and turn off spoilers.
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No.117086
All porn is banned on 8kun: >>>/v/16923828
>But it's just loli
http://archive.vn/FAtkK#selection-24775.0-24775.100
<That is still the policy, but sometimes we need to research to see where that line is drawn legally.
<http://archive.vn/eRXcg#selection-29589.287-29589.364
<As it is, obscene material is not protected speech under the First Amendment.
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No.117093
>>117086
Nah, only loli is banned. Furry porn won't be banned nor considered obscene at all.
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No.117094
>>116916
>I do think porn should be spoilered across the board
thank you so godamn much, seriously.
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No.117095
>>117094
So stupid, you have to be 18 or older to use this site anyway, if porn scares you off you shouldn't be here to begin with
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No.117097
>>117095
Are you capable of clicking the "expand all images" link at the top left?
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No.117104
Sorry for the delays. I need to put a priority on personal things for a while.
>>117094
You're quite welcome
>>117086
Ignoring the hyperbole, that's an interesting development. There's still no formal place for updates so getting information is a pain in the ass, but it seems that Jim's stubborn personality is part of the reason for this? There shouldn't be much issue hosting that content in the US, I think.
That said, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I'll lock the offending threads for now.
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No.117148
I'm just going to write "no cub porn" into the rules. We may need to elaborate on what qualifies later, though.
Also I feel >>117104 is a too passive considering the shit going on next door, so despite being drained I feel I should say something more. I also feel like I've failed some people, so I think I owe it to them to stick my neck out while the iron is hot.
I'm not going to engage in a discussion about the merits or nature of loli/shota, but what I want to highlight is something ignored by Ron's purely pragmatic ban and the foaming at the mouth over "free speech."
While I'm wary of the hatred and reduction that happens around this topic, often people neglect the traumas of those who suffered childhood abuse and how they are affected being in proximity of such content. Consideration of these people and the related social struggles should be held paramount, and free reign with explicit content is not owed to you in any shared space.
Related to this, I should have taken more quickly to the suggestion (by a survivor) of strongly enforcing containments for cub porn and ensuring those threads were properly spoiled, but that ship has sailed. I apologize to the people who were made uncomfortable by that failing.
While I'm at it, I apologize for the neglect of a lot of unfortunate things on this board. Personal issues aside, I've got to take responsibility as the manager of this place. I'll try to do better.
"Chan culture" working in tandem with broader social pressures to encourage self suppression of our relationships to abuse, marginalization, etc. is something that runs across many of the people who grew up using these sites. It doesn't just affect how you look inwards on yourself, but your ability to see the struggles of others in these spaces or even on the outside. Perhaps that sounds a little mushy, but I think it's important to say.
That's all.
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No.117162
>>117148
pretty k-lame, dude
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No.117194
>>117148
>While I'm wary of the hatred and reduction that happens around this topic, often people neglect the traumas of those who suffered childhood abuse and how they are affected being in proximity of such content. Consideration of these people and the related social struggles should be held paramount, and free reign with explicit content is not owed to you in any shared space.
While that's written extremely SJW-y and is making /fur/ feel more like a subreddit, and while I feel like this idea is a little bit dumb because you already have a 'spoiler all porn' rule in place and these people are allowed to just hide, filter, or otherwise refuse to view these threads, I do feel like cub porn is gross and enables pedophilia. There's more to chan culture than being attracted to kids. I'll be cool with what you're doing as long as I can still call you a 'retarded nigger' without being guilt-tripped or being told that 'these are slurs that may trigger people with autism or dark skin'.
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No.117195
>>117194
Did your uwupgrade script seriously just censor out the words 're tard' and 'ni gger'?
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No.117196
>>117148
It's interesting how you're trying to combine the forces of 'chan culture' and 'sensitive leftists'. My sensitive leftist side wants to say thank you for being a genuinely caring person, my chan culture side wants to call you a ni gger monkey. Best of luck to you, trying to do the impossible of combining those with the ambitions to escape moral commitment and those who wish to be better people.
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No.117200
>>117195
>censor out
It's called spoiling, idiot. Censorig would be what funnyjunk and reddit does by deleting messages and words entirely
>>117196
It's less about "sensitive" leftists and more of a if you can't restrain yourselves in shitposting, at least use this script so that your lack of self-control doesn't annoy others
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No.117203
>>117195
That's only the site's word filters.
>>117194
>>117196
Well to your sensitive side I say thanks. To the other, I don't deny your personhood. My fondest chan memories have little to do with preserving moral comfort, however. So please do consider your language.
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No.117205
Oh, and happy May Day/Labor Day everyone
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No.117206
>>117205
Happy censorship of this board of anything worthwhile talking about
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No.117207
>>117206
If you can't talk without posting cub or cp, then it's worth a try
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No.117208
holy shit this board has been cucked to hell.
I mean, I know it was originally pretty tame before the wannabui spamathon forced it to become the new /furry/, but like come on. Don't be a retard😬ed nigger😬 faggot😬.
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No.117209
>>117208
imo, pretty tame traditional /fur/ >>>>>>>> wannabui spamathon nu-/furry/
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No.117210
>>117206
Ah yes, the cornerstones of furry discussion; slurs and cub porn.
>>117208
You know I hate to even call this language edgy. What edge is there to decades old common language used by cowards terrified of disruptions to their social or moral comfort? It feels rebellious when you're 12 and get a strong response, but once you learn a bit about the world at best it's just lame.
Don't be a coward, and don't be a lame as fuck "edgy" channer.
>>117209
<3
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No.117211
We should consider hosting a poal.me poll for if we should stay here or migrate to another chan such as https://9chan.tw/furry/ or 00chan, and which one.
8kun has ridiculous problems mounting up so we need to see where the community here wants to end up.
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No.117213
>>117211
What's mounting up? The supremely delayed response to legal anxiety the untamed fascists brought on the site that culminated in nothing more than... no cub porn? That's not a reason to run off to yet another fascist's playground. If you know something I'm not privy to, please share it.
Individuals can lurk and post in as many places as they want no problem. If you're asking to poll moving THIS board somewhere else right now, no.
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No.117214
Reiterating these posts.
Note I have more latent hope and optimism than the end of the last post makes it sound. I just need to stop allowing my emotional state to be battered. I'm going to bare some fang and stop this place from feeling like nu-/furry/ once and for all.
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No.117234
Alright. I'm doing a significant refresh of the catalog.
A lot of porn dumps are going to go or get anchored. Stuff that needs a refresh too. Archives will be made (https://archive.ph/https://8kun.top/fur*).
Never knew that cringy deep state ad was there until looking at archives. The admins have really learned nothing.
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No.117236
If you remake something remember to put effort into making it a full topic, not a porn dump. Use a header image that doesn't have to be spoilered. And even while spoilered, don't flood a thread with images without saying a word unless the context calls for it. Help discussion develop.
Side note, I appreciate how the herm thread is (somewhat naturally) focused on lewd but there's a lot of written stuff there. That's neat. Someone should make an erotic worldbuilding thread sometime.
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No.117237
Oh, and I'm deleting the intersex thread for being set up as a really simple dump, among other reasons, not for being redundant compared to the herm thread. There were some unsettling comments in that thread before so I thought I'd clarify that.
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No.117259
>>117214
Are you even the original Bell? You don't even type the same, to be quite honest. I think you are an imposter.
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No.117260
>>117234
>>117237
>>117236
Nice, I can breathe better... It's like fresh air.
Thank you. You will probably get tons of hate for it, though.
>>117259
interesting plot twist
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No.117261
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No.117266
>>117259
If you haven't shifted your view of unrestricted speech after the 3+ shootings (Christchurch, California, El Paso, Halle) that took the lives of 70+ people in 2019, then I don't know what to say. The last three were blatantly inspired by the text that they read from the first place. It didn't better people, it worsened them as expected.
It should at least dispel the myth that negative content is contained in a vacuum. The content definitely screws with the heads of people that don't know better. Even if they don't turn out to be killers, they become very pessimistic, aggressive, and anti-social because of the type of content that they consume. Some deviate from this rule, but they clearly aren't the norm.
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No.117271
>>117266
If that's the case why doesn't every single person on /pol/ perform a mass shooting after reading racist shit?
This is just the "video games cause violence" argument all over again
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No.117272
>>117266
I love /fur/ and bell lowering porn dump content, but you are spewing bullshit right now. Who should choose what we can say or not say? What speech is allowed and which isn't? Who are you to think you know what is right or wrong, and to restrict people that speak differently from you because you think it's for a good cause?? I hate politics I don't want to argue, but damn.
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No.117274
>>117271
>This is just the "video games cause violence" argument all over again
You can allow violence in video games without advocating for hate crimes.
>>117272
Whoever's in charge. In a democracy, that would be the people, through discussion and voting. At the moment though, at least, /fur/ isn't a democracy. But I'm sure Bell is more than willing to hear out your arguments on what content should or shouldn't be censored though, but you're not gonna get anywhere by whining about some idealized, universal concept of free speech.
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No.117276
>>117274
>whining about some idealized, universal concept of free speech
it is you that has an ideal, though. It is YOU that thinks there's an ideal line to be put down for what can someone say or not say. Free sleech simply means there's no line to be put down.
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No.117277
>>117272
There are material consequences behind what we say and do. Together we observe those and make decisions as a community. That's politics and it affects every aspect of our lives. Freedom of speech without applying political understanding is gross negligence.
>>117276
You've probably heard this before, but freedom of speech is not freedom of consequence. A better understanding of free speech is that your words should not be appraised by power, but by context and consequence. My authority as BO does not make your words appropriate or not, our material understanding of those words does. It's about disabling tyranny, not accountability.
>>117274
>But I'm sure Bell is more than willing to hear out your arguments on what content should or shouldn't be censored though
Aye
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No.117278
People do horrible shit in places without free speech. Why it a boogieman all of a sudden?
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No.117279
>>117277
>>But I'm sure Bell is more than willing to hear out your arguments on what content should or shouldn't be censored though
>Aye
ok cool, what speech are you planning to censor, Bell?
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No.117280
>>117276
>It is YOU that thinks there's an ideal line to be put down for what can someone say or not say.
Nah. It has nothing to do with ideals. We're just not dogmatic free-speech idealists like some apparently are. It's OK to censor some things.
If you don't like how we exercise that power, you can argue that we should use it differently. But we're not heeding any arguments that we should refrain from exercising that power entirely. End of story.
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No.117284
>>117271
>>117272
>>117276
>>117279
>"Free speech is dead because I can't write about killing innocent people for genetic traits that they can't control!"
Don't blindly defend the inexcusable, you know better. Why would you even think that it belongs in a fandom where people peacefully interact or fuck different species?
>>117278
The goal isn't to stop ALL deaths, it's to stop a PREVENTABLE amount of harm. That's how people have always handled issues.
Whether you would like to admit it or not, the rest of them were explicitly copycats of the first shooter as they posted on imageboards. The Halle shooter couldn't because 8ch got taken down, she he went on a different one and blamed Mark.
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No.117285
>>117284
That is still not a specifically free speech issue
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No.117286
>>117278
Notice how they refuse to directly answer your question and waft on about vague reasons for why they do what they do and why it's good that they do what they do.
They have no intention of being honest, there is no point in talking to them, only about them as a warning to others.
>>117280
>>117284
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No.117287
>>117279
To be clear, there is a spectrum of action between censorship and education. The strongest responses should fall under rule 5, "Don't promote hateful language or politics." So facism, white supremacy/nationalism, general bigotry. Some liberal idpol is probably falls under this too.
But this isn't really a new development is it? I've been interacting with this stuff over the past couple months.
I'll try elaborating on my political understandings sometime, so far as they relate to moderating. I usually end up talking about individual things as they become relevant, though.
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No.117288
>>117286
I'd say >>117284 gave a pretty good response considering how baffling that post was, but I suppose you'd rather be a hypocrite about "directly answering" to validate yourself.
Don't waste valuable time on petty shit when you could better spend it warning others about my heinous crimes and demon heritage. My occult blasphemies of harm reduction. Think of all the nazis you could save from my clutches.
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No.117290
>>117278
Because if you hugbox hard enough those problems disappear :)
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No.117291
>>117284
>The Halle shooter couldn't because 8ch got taken down, she he went on a different one and blamed Mark.
They didn't go on the shooting because they couldn't put their dumb suicide note on 8chan?
Did they put it on the other one and do it anyway or just bitch about it but not go?
>>117286
At least give it a full day before making a post like this on a board this dead.
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No.117295
>>117286
>>117285
If speech didn't affect people at ALL, then what is the purpose of using it in the first place?
>>117290
Considering that there hasn't been a Tarrant-inspired mass shooting as those topics banned, I'd think it's working pretty well.
Contrary to popular belief speech isn't greatly hindered when you filter the shit content, it greatly improves. You people are aware of this as you repost frequently content from sites that have stricter rules or guidelines than imageboards.
>>117291
>At least give it a full day before making a post like this on a board this dead.
It's funny seeing this seeing this talking point crop up repeatedly. Considering that;
1. A lot of the people who "left" were self-admitted lurkers who never posted here in the first place.
2. No one will lose sleep over those who defend content like pedophilia and nazism. That only attracts feds and awful people.
Unfortunately for everyone, you crosspost after seeing screencaps in other boards and TG channels that they claim to permanently stay in. It's not like if we're seeing unique thoughts from those in the unrestricted marketplace of ideas™, it's the same old take about we're ebul commie snowflake ESSJAYDUBYAS for saying that it's not appropriate to express thoughts of racial/gender/etc discrimination in a board about talking animal people.
Bell isn't even demanding much, he just states not to type in a few words that derail threads.
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No.117299
>>117290
I see you're still throwing your grade school tantrum over a slur, but tell me about hugboxes. Confronting problems is a process, not pixie dust, so we should protect little anon's personal comfort instead, special boy that he is. >>117278 Thanks for validating my little man.~
The hypocrisy of this rhetoric is actual comedy.
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No.117300
So were those posts against the rules?
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No.117301
>>117297
>but a few discussion threads survive once in a while
You filter through that much shit and something good is going to come through eventually.
>>117295
>A lot of the people who "left" were self-admitted lurkers who never posted here in the first place.
Can't really blame them.
Why lurk to watch nothing happening?
>No one will lose sleep over those who defend content like pedophilia and nazism.
Who's defending it?
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No.117302
Don't waste room in here with irrelevant things. Go to >>117146 or that thinly veiled advert thread for as long as it stays up.
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No.117303
>>117295
> If speech didn't affect people at ALL, then what is the purpose of using it in the first place?
That’s an excellent way to put it. Also really like the quality control framing of “censorship” and similar concepts. And namedropping the “marketplace of ideas,” damn see this is exactly the kind of user we need more of here.
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No.117305
>>117301
>Can't really blame them. Why lurk to watch nothing happening?
A community fundamentally caters to those who participate, it doesn't make sense to cater to those who don't do the bare minimum of talking.
If there was no activity here as you've claimed, then they wouldn't take screencaps and complain about us repeatedly for prohibiting words that they never uttered in the community in the first place. I don't blame them for being heavily invested in a non-issue though, they're aware that they're not interesting people despite going on a "free platform".
>Who's defending it?
You aren't really fooling people when you state that you want to leave a site/community for prohibiting Nazism and pedo content.
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No.117306
>>117305
>A community fundamentally caters to those who participate
Think you missed the point.
The problem isn't the kind of activity, it's the lack of it.
>You aren't really fooling people when you state that you want to leave a site/community for prohibiting Nazism and pedo content.
I wouldn't want to leave because illegal shit is being censored, I'd want to leave because there's no one to talk to on the website for talking to people.
As far as censoring nazi/pedoshit, I think they should have the right to spew their garbage the same as anyone else has the right to tell them off and that they aren't welcome.
That's the kind of free speech they'd have in real life, as long as they're willing to accept the consequences of publicly saying those things.
8chan isn't beholden to the same rules obviously, so it's up to Bell how much they want to adhere to the first amendment.
Especially now that hotwheels is gone, along with his original ideal.
If anything I think it'd be more fair to just ban all political talk entirely, so that there's no bias either way.
It's harder to justify complaining about censorship when it's not targeted at all.
Besides there's literally a board on this same site specifically for that topic, so there's even less of a reason to go on about any of it here.
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No.117313
>>117271
>This is just the "video games cause violence" argument all over again
1) false equivalency
2) It is proven fact that certain FPS video-games DO in fact increase aggressive and violent behaviors in teens and kids. Playing Lara Croft is quite different to Call of Duty.
>why doesn't every single person on /pol/ perform a mass shooting after reading racist shit?
Because not everyone is fool-hardy or desperate enough to go through all the way, or are just content to be cowardly online racists and loudmouthed bigots, content to wallow and circle-jerk their ignorant toxic ideology and smear it across the chans.
Attitudes and thoughts form the basis for your character which forms the basis for your paths of action. Even if you don't act on the idea to "kill nigs lol" you're still thinking it.
>its ironic
fuck off and stop ruining the word ironic. Saying 😬niggers are thugs or calling someone a 😬nigger is just racism, no irony about it, unless used in an actually humorous or sarcastic manner.
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No.117320
So like... why does the porn have to be censored again? I don't remember this board doing that before the site previously shut down. I mean, if you want discussion, fine, but don't turn the board into a half-assed christfag corner just to help the site save face for the /pol/ shit that got it shut down a year ago. The home page has the red fine print for a reason.
Honestly, what even happened to the two furry boards on this site? Feels like it's all gotten really political and dictatorial since this site came back.
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No.117321
If anyone needs help understanding racism and such I suggest you study the experiences and conditions of marginalized people, not muck around an imageboard.
>>117306
In real life we have cops protecting nazis, institutionalized prejudice, and bigotry in the highest levels of office. Centrism does not protect anyone. Consequentially rejecting hate is not leadership. I will target specific problems.
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No.117322
>>117320
Do you feel judged by needing to expand images or toggle a setting?
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No.117323
>>117320
>don't turn the board into a half-assed christfag corner just to help the site save face
Does there really need to be another furry porn site?
Are you so addicted to porn that you need to have it around even when you're not jerking off or talking about it?
>>117321
>In real life we have cops protecting nazis, institutionalized prejudice, and bigotry in the highest levels of office.
That's the nature of the law, nothing can be done until there's proof someone has broken it.
The most police can do is watch people like a hawk when they start saying things that make them seem likely to do that.
It's very unfortunate that the government is corrupt as it is, but like I said there are other places on this very same site dedicated to actually discussing that.
Why not just prevent people from getting off-topic for this board off the bat, and disallow talking about it entirely?
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No.117324
>>117323
>Why not just prevent people from getting off-topic for this board off the bat, and disallow talking about it entirely?
I think you missed the point here. The point is we're not going to treat bad politics the same as good politics. There's a good reason to restrict nazism and other right-wing politics. Afaik there's no good reason to restrict left-wing politics. We're not just going to arbitrarily restrict things. If you want left-wing politics restricted just as well as right-wing politics, then you'll have to argue reasons that we should do so.
And before anyone says politics in general is unrelated to furry, that's wrong. People are drawn to furry, like any fiction, because they relate to it in some way. If something is completely unrelatable, then it's probably not going to get much interest. This can be as simple as human characteristics ("anthropomorphization"), or in something that's more of a story—something that has its own world or its own portrayal of our world—the way society or even just interpersonal interactions or characterization reflect what we see or how we understand our own world today.
For example, not including queer characters, or disabled characters, or other characters of other cultures, reinforces mistaken beliefs that such qualities are not as common or relevant as they actually are. Omitting these types of characters is (intentionally or otherwise) just as political as including these types of characters.
Another example is portraying criminals or villains as just "innately" evil, or even worse, as having some mental illness that alone compels them to commit evils. It's very common for fiction to do this and completely neglect how societal factors make these people what they are. It's no wonder then that so many people today think that crime or evil is just some individual moral failing, and not the result of society failing to properly condition and accommodate for those individuals. Thus, a lack of societal criticism in a story is just as political as an inclusion of societal criticism, when it comes to explaining a criminal or villain.
If you want a restriction on politics across the board, then you'll first need to give a clear definition of what is restricted and what is allowed, and your reasons why. For example, if you want to ban the sharing of furry fiction that includes social criticism or marginalized characters, you can expect a hard disagree from us on that. If you want to ban people from criticizing how furry art portrays society or social interactions or how it portrays (or omits) marginalized characters, that’s also a hard no.
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No.117325
>>117322
Answer the question.
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No.117326
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No.117334
>>117324
>There's a good reason to restrict nazism and other right-wing politics. Afaik there's no good reason to restrict left-wing politics. We're not just going to arbitrarily restrict things.
But you'll arbitrarily not restrict things?
It sounds like it's coming down to "I disagree with this so I don't want it here, but the things I like can stay."
I agree that Nazis or whatever shouldn't be allowed to act on their ideals in any way, but I don't agree that they should be prevented from speaking as long as they don't.
If someone sees a Nazi spouting bullshit and kills them on the street, I'm not going to miss them, but as far as I'm concerned the murderer still broke the law and is in the wrong.
The only thing we can do here is talk, so I don't see any reason to favor one over the other, and all or nothing makes sense to me.
>People are drawn to furry, like any fiction, because they relate to it in some way. If something is completely unrelatable, then it's probably not going to get much interest.
This sounds like you're implying people mostly like furshit as a political metaphor.
That if you took out the political aspect people would have almost no reason to enjoy it.
There's more to furry content than real life politics, so why wouldn't it be possible to simply cut talk of that one aspect out?
There's plenty more to talk about, and it feels kind of reductive of the fandom to imply ignoring the political aspect would leave so little left.
> For example, if you want to ban the sharing of furry fiction that includes social criticism or marginalized characters
You already pointed out extensively how thoroughly politics can saturate media, but that doesn't mean it has to be acknowledged here.
If it truly isn't the focus of a story, then it should be easy to discuss everything else about it.
Any political interpretations pulled from it would have to come from the person's own mind, and if they aren't allowed to bring it up, then we're not losing much if anything of the topic itself.
If a political message is the intent behind a piece of furry media, then the difficulty in discussing it here should be reason enough not to bring it up in the first place.
Any political message inferred would be intended by the media itself, and banning that would make talking about it borderline meaningless, so why even bring it up at all?
It's not impossible to cut out politics, people just really seem to enjoy arguing about them extensively to the detriment of everything else.
If you really just enjoy agreeing with people about obvious stuff like "discrimination is bad" though, no one can really stop you from using your authority to make another place to do it.
Or you can just let them shout their bullshit, then ban them for spamming since they don't want to actually discuss anything, and you'll have them gone without anyone being able to say you were biased in the way you handled it.
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No.117338
>>117299
Best goat, but for an actual question: Would it be okay to start a new draw thread since the current one is bumplocked?
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No.117340
>>117338
It's totally fine. The bumplock was actually in waiting for a new one. I guess I should just archive and delete it.
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No.117343
>>117323
I won't indulge an "apolitical" space where nazis hide their symbols and deride expressions as "too political" or identities as "forced politics."
>>117334
Nor will I reduce the meaning or nuance of political expression.
We will reject what antagonizes this community and lend an ear to what protects and empowers its members.
We'll perceive derails just fine.
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No.117346
>>117321
>>117306
Sunshine is the best medicine. There are people on here who are capable of explaining why what they're saying is the ideological equivalent of riding the short bus.
What it comes down to in the end is making crystal-clear rules that everyone can agree on. It MUST APPLY to anyone of any political persuasion, no exceptions, no favors. Otherwise, how can trust be given to this board?
>>117343
D&C 121
"39 We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion."
You have just as much a responsibility to allow rights to people you don't like as the responsibility to keep in line those you'd rather make an exception for.
Just because I don't like and don't participate in pornography (and would heartily recommend that others do not), doesn't mean that I'd ban those that do. If you make some crystal-clear rules that all parties would deem "fair and reasonable" and stick to them, people will respect you for it.
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No.117351
>>117343
>"apolitical"
You make it sound like you'd have no control over people trying to circumvent your rules.
People who agree with our political beliefs would have to "hide their symbols" as well, and they'd be punished for not talking about furry content too, that's the whole point.
>Nor will I reduce the meaning or nuance of political expression.
You say this like anything you do here would affect political speech outside the board.
You're not affecting the "meaning or nuance" of people's opinions by preventing them from talking about it here, you're just making them put the full force of it somewhere else.
>We will reject what antagonizes this community
Then why would you let politics overwrite any fur talk?
I don't think this board has a high enough population to be a metric for the overall fandom, but as far as this place itself, the only two threads showing any sign of life are this one and the "S O C I E T Y" thread.
Both of which are currently getting like 2-3 posts a day of heavy political talk.
All while the draw, movie, tutor, old content, local, anime, fursona, etc. threads are all collecting dust and maybe getting a single post every couple months if they're lucky.
If you want to turn this board into /pol2/, then stay the course I guess.
You've apparently already got a small headstart.
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No.117352
>>117346
>Sunshine is the best medicine
Cite some peer-reviewed studies and then maybe we can consider that you're correct on this.
>It MUST APPLY to anyone of any political persuasion
It does apply to anyone of any political persuasion. You're not allowed to spread right-wing views here whether you're a genuine right-winger or a "centrist"/left-winger that's doing it "ironically" :^)
>D&C 121
You're quoting the doctrine that established one of the worst abuses of authority in religion. If anything, this is less a general statement so much as a projection of their own less common, shitty tendencies.
>Just because I don't like and don't participate in pornography (and would heartily recommend that others do not), doesn't mean that I'd ban those that do.
Well that's you. If we wanted to make a porn-free board, then we would ban porn. Because that's the kind of board we want to make. If people don't "respect" us because we have a certain idea in mind, then that's on them.
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No.117353
>>117351
People are allowed to discuss politics as it relates to furry in general or particular furry works. People are not allowed to discuss politics in general or the validity of certain kinds of politics over others, except in a designated thread for discussing what should or shouldn't be restricted/banned.
Politics based on hate will not be allowed to be spread on this board. If that happens to exclude right-wing politics and not left-wing politics, then boohoo, maybe they shouldn't have based their political views on hate.
If you think we're taking the wrong side here, then you're welcome to try and convince us to the other side. If you don't like us "taking a side" at all, then you're free to leave.
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No.117354
>>117353
>People are allowed to discuss politics as it relates to furry in general or particular furry works.
>People are not allowed to discuss politics in general or the validity of certain kinds of politics over others, except in a designated thread for discussing what should or shouldn't be restricted/banned.
That's fair enough.
Honestly I was just thinking of something like this as a sort of compromise, and if that was your intent from the start then I'm sorry I misunderstood you.
I'm just worried conversations about satirical stories with blatant metaphors could wind up being used as a springboard into general politics very easily, but you guys have been reasonably quick about responding so I imagine you'd have a close enough eye on the board to prevent that.
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No.117356
>>117352
>Cite some peer-reviewed studies and then maybe we can consider that you're correct on this.
I misquoted: "Sunshine is the best disinfectant" is what it's supposed to be
As for peer-reviewed studies: too hard to find right now because it's almost exclusively Coronavirus-related scientific stuff instead of an assessment of an aphorism.
>It does apply to anyone of any political persuasion. You're not allowed to spread right-wing views here whether you're a genuine right-winger or a "centrist"/left-winger that's doing it "ironically" :^)
Banning an entire wing of thought is not very "diverse" of you.
>You're quoting the doctrine that established one of the worst abuses of authority in religion. If anything, this is less a general statement so much as a projection of their own less common, shitty tendencies.
I couldn't find anything in the communist manifesto that expresses this idea. There's not much to work with in there.
>If people don't "respect" us because we have a certain idea in mind, then that's on them.
You've done everything to undermine people's confidence in you. Not only must they play within your fickle whims, but the moment a better board comes along, this one will be cast by the wayside and it will have been for nothing.
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No.117357
>>117354
Alright. Sorry if the posts weren't worded as clearly as they could've been.
>>117356
>As for peer-reviewed studies: too hard to find right now
Then I don't believe you.
>Banning an entire wing of thought is not very "diverse" of you.
I don't care.
>the communist manifesto
When did that enter discussion?
Why don't you go make that "better board" instead of complaining about giving hatefulness a fair shake?
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No.117358
>>117351
>>117346
>>117354
There will still be people from all political views if the rules are implemented, it's just that they'll be afraid of stepping on eggshells when it comes to politics. Therefore, they won't discuss the extreme sides of it at all. Which is a great thing.
The rules are meant to target the antisocial types who are incapable of controlling their bad behavior. Since a particular wing is a fringe ideology in the fandom, it unfortunately attracts some fringe people who are in it for the wrong reasons (i.e Foxler). Rather than using it as a means to improve their character through leading by example, they use it as a vehicle to antagonize others despite contributing less and doing worse.
>>117320
Imageboards are in legal hot water now.
>>117356
The mods here have more respect for you than the some of those associated with the ideology that you're defending. The libertarian-leaning side will be chill with you, but those that unironically associate themselves with nazism really won't regardless of the merit you put in. A lot of the non-offending furs who claim to be right-wing are libertarians who use it as a means of self-discipline/restraint, which is neat.
I get that there are witch hunts and blocklists that go overboard, but I think it's a blessing in disguise since you get to be associated with a reasonable crowd.
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No.117366
>>117351
>All while the draw, movie, tutor, old content, local, anime, fursona, etc. threads are all collecting dust and maybe getting a single post every couple months if they're lucky.
That's because fur😬faggotry is a fetish NOT a lifestyle (no matter how much lifestyler's like Bell reee that it isn't) and since it's a fetish there's nothing much to talk about after the initial meeting formalities or who makes the best fap material.
So you have to go for the next best things, politics or drama.
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No.117367
>>117366
No matter how much you whine, it's not gonna get "lifestyler's like Bell" to pander to fetishists like you.
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No.117371
>>117367
Likewise no matter how much Bell whines the "fandom" won't pander to them.
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No.117373
>>117343
>I won't indulge an "apolitical" space where nazis hide their symbols and deride expressions as "too political" or identities as "forced politics."
Ah, the policy changes make sense now.
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No.117374
>>117371
Pretty sure there’s more than three furries that’d be interested in the kind of board we have in mind without anyone “pandering” to us. And if the board does go empty after the policy changes then so be it; no point in maintaining a board if you have to compromise so much on policy chasing after an audience, that it becomes something you personally can no longer enjoy.
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No.117382
Been lurking for a bit now.
I don't really care about the restrictions to politics, and I like the idea of orienting thread topics away from image dumps and towards discussion and user-made stuff.
But I disagree with requiring spoilers for nsfw images in general threads.
If I understand this right, the purpose is to spoiler content that some people might not wish to see, and that it has little to do with trying to make the board as sfw as reasonable.
Yet, I don't understand why people who don't wish to see nsfw content would go on an imageboard. Nsfw furry remains a significant interest, and at least I enjoy a mix of sfw and nsfw. I'd go as far to call it a majority interest, at least for imageboards.
I'd prefer not to have the uwupgrade script because I prefer a default experience. Yeah, that seems a little shallow of me. I guess I don't enjoy having to re-copy-paste anything because I closed my incognito mode session. In programming speak, we call it "sane defaults". New users would probably miss the script, be annoyed, and leave.
Spoilered nsfw content makes the uwupgrade script "required" for people like me. "Required", in a similar sense that being rich is required to have any political influence, despite "the people having ultimate say" in a representative democracy (read: the people have no say, and the script is required).
Therefore, the spoiler rule and script create a barrier-to-entry, actively discouraging nsfw content. If your goal is such, please reiterate it (if I missed it).
I thoroughly believe that the no-dump-thread rule is enough to both balance sfw and nsfw content, while greatly increasing discussion quality.
Get rid of the nsfw spoiler rule.
tldr:
1) A significant potential userbase has interest in mixed nsfw and sfw content.
2) The spoiler rule hinders the default experience for those who wish to see nsfw.
3) The uwupgrade script is a barrier-to-entry for those who wish to see nsfw.
4) The no-dump-thread rule is enough for board quality.
5) Thus, the nsfw spoiler rule should be removed.
Thanks.
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No.117383
>>117373
How childish
>>117382
I appreciate the genuine concern.
There are two basic points to the rule, courtesy and perception. (I'll elaborate below)
>Yet, I don't understand why people who don't wish to see nsfw content would go on an imageboard. Nsfw furry remains a significant interest, and at least I enjoy a mix of sfw and nsfw.
Well first there's nothing special about being on an imageboard. It's just a forum and fully sfw boards exist on them.
That aside, not everyone who enjoys lewd content is interested in seeing it all the time. Spoilers are not just for people who feel uncomfortable with free floating porn (If I remember correctly, that's how the regular f8 artist felt), but for people to choose when they want to see it. Not to mention how it can be an annoying hormonal distraction. I'm ADHD enough, I don't need dicks swinging around me too.
>I guess I don't enjoy having to re-copy-paste anything because I closed my incognito mode session.
Fair enough. I understand the script is less than ideal for certain contexts.
>the spoiler rule and script create a barrier-to-entry, actively discouraging nsfw content.
>If your goal is such, please reiterate it (if I missed it)
There is an element of discouragement, but that's not the target.
I'd rather not people come to this place and have their base assumptions reinforced that "oh, this is an imageboard, and I'm used to furry imageboard content being 90% porn, so this must be the same." I don't intend a barrier of usability, but perception. If someone comes expecting a boundless porn board they will instantly have their assumptions challenged and have to think about what this place is. If they're curious they'll figure it out. If they're not they'll leave.
To be fair, these thoughts were formed before I absolutely had enough of being patient with the porn dumps. You can argue there's a good deal of perceptual impact with that alone. Personally, I'm not convinced of that yet. People kept it up in the early days of /fur/, and feel that many people have their blinders on when they walk in, especially if they only monitor the first page. You can't take in the board as a whole if you don't study the catalog. Seeing spoilers is an instant shock to expectation.
And speaking of the first page, there's something to be said for courtesy here too. Threads getting passes on unspoilered lewd would show up for newcomers monitoring page 1. It also feeds back into perception, because would they really assume that this comes from a relatively restricted set of threads? Probably not.
I'm getting too much into theory now though. I'd like to hear from people about what they feel is impactfully inconvenient about this, also more from the people who appreciate the spoilers. No promises, but more information is always nice.
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No.117384
>>117382
>I don't understand why people who don't wish to see nsfw content would go on an imageboard.
I'm failing to see the connection between porn and imageboards.
Is unrelated smut really the main perk of being able to easily post images alongside what you say in a conversation as far as you're concerned?
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No.117385
>>117384
I mean, it appears that the spoiler rule for this board contrasts the unspoilered zeitgeist of imageboards, but you're right that there's nothing intrinsic to imageboards.
However, I could extend your reasoning to "are unrelated (sfw) images a perk to holding a discussion" (like right now lol). When nsfw IS the discussion, it shouldn't need to be spoilered.
>>117383
Thanks for the reply.
Trying to balance newcomer perception, individual experience, quality control, and ease of use sounds hard...
I was thinking that we could have an exception where nsfw threads only need the op spoilered, and replies there don't need to be. Page 1 existing ruins this idea. (Board links should default to catalog, anyways.)
So now I realize that it's the website's design that limits this. There's no separate nsfw/spoiler tags, and auto-unspoiler is not an option with the default site. (Or, I can't find it.) The OpenIB repo looks unmaintained, and the 8kun owner probably wouldn't update anything anyways.
So, I think it's partially a technology problem, but I don't think people want Yet-Another-Imageboard-Splinter... unless people would really like something with more board options and control, which I could give it a shot.
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No.117388
>>117385
>When nsfw IS the discussion, it shouldn't need to be spoilered.
Aren't porn dumps banned?
Does that not apply if people are discussing fantasies alongside the images or something to make it more than just a pure image dump?
>I could extend your reasoning to "are unrelated (sfw) images a perk to holding a discussion" (like right now lol)
I was thinking this as I was adding the images, but I don't think pictures could add much to board meta conversation like this regardless.
At least not any pictures related to fur😬faggotry.
Generic anthro pics work okay unless people want to start looking up random animal characters in business suits and other managerial dress.
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No.117389
>>117388
>Aren't porn dumps banned?
To my understanding, yes, but nsfw threads like the kobold adventure and herm thread aren't just porn dumps.
>Does that not apply if people are discussing fantasies alongside the images or something to make it more than just a pure image dump?
Spoiler rule still seems to apply (to new posts), as I don't see any exception in the rules.
I think it shouldn't apply, and drawing lines for exceptions with the "page 1 perception" goal as Bell had mentioned in >>117383 seems impossible. Thus, either the spoiler rule shouldn't apply at all, or have a more complicated rule and remove a "page 1 perception" goal.
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No.117390
Why are you spoilering silly words like 😬retard, 😬faggot, and on top of that slapping a dumb emoji next to them? You aren't taking care of a bunch of children. You're taking care of a bunch of edgy adults and teens. Please stop slapping tumblr/woke twitter shit onto "problematic" words. It looks incredibly silly and immature.
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No.117398
>>117385
>So, I think it's partially a technology problem
Aye. I don't have the energy to think about another website right now, though.
>>117390
Behave like a child and you'll be treated like one. >>117210
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No.117399
>>117398
I read somewhere you were thinking about creating your own image board or website and gtfo of 8chan. Expand on that?
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No.117409
>>117399
I never stated it publicly, but yeah. I jumped into spite fueled web dev sometime in 2017, but life got in the way.
That's all I prefer to say for now, though. My decisions going forward will depend on what I observe for the next little while.
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No.117414
>>117398
>Behave like a child and you'll be treated like one
Something about this just rubs me the wrong way. Just incredibly condescending. Do you think other people are incapable of thinking for themselves? Man this board sucks shit. You are turning it into your own personal soapbox and being an authoritarian cunt.
>inb4 go somewhere else
Already did. Just couldn't help but say that you're embarrasing with the way you're moderating this board.
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No.117417
>>117414
>Something about this just rubs me the wrong way. Just incredibly condescending. Do you think other people are incapable of thinking for themselves? Man this board sucks shit. You are turning it into your own personal soapbox and being an authoritarian cunt.
It's always funny that the people who complain about others snowflakes end up being the most oversensitive types out there.
He's just telling you not use a few words, BOO HOO.
You claim that those words are no big deal, but you've been whining here for MONTHS, taking screencaps about how he's an ebul authoritarian 1984 commie while claiming that the board is dead because of it. Despite this, it's very active without people you because people don't like trashy speech.
>Already did. Just couldn't help but say that you're embarrasing with the way you're moderating this board.
Please get some self-awareness, no one needs respect from a person who wants to stick with nazis and pedophiles just because their slurs get concealed by a black bar and an emoji lmao
Believe it or not, you're doing everyone a favor when you to leave.
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No.117421
>>117414
Honey, what's embarrassing is the desperate need to validate your ethics and immaturity. I don't care to coddle thoughtlessness, so grow out of that pitiable ego if you fear scolding.
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No.117424
>>117421
None of that is the point. You just make yourself look like a patronising dickhead. Though trust me I don't really care about you or this board. You have fun with your echo chamber. Only saying this because I can't help but to point out a headass when I see one.
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No.117425
>>117424
As I said, an embarrassing need for validation. Run along then.
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No.117426
>>117424
So you're the only one allowed to be conscending towards others? Guess that you can't take what you dish out at others. Nothing less expected from fragile "non-Tumblr" people like you.
If you have a month-long tantrum over spoilered text, then you're not mentally nor physically strong. You're stupid.
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No.117427
>>117398
>>117425
>>117421
I hate to say this because /fur/ (but more-so /furry/) means a lot to me, but you're an absolute cunt of an admin. You should not even bother interacting with the users if this is what you're gonna be doing.
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No.117429
>>117427
You've stated, "I'm a tough anti-SJW logic man, but I'm leaving permanently since you're a meanie commie admin!", for months now in this thread. You gloat about how people shouldn't be hurt by words, yet you are being hurt by someone telling you not to be angered over spoiled text. You state that this place is a hugbox, yet you brag about moving to a community where people completely agree with your views.
This thread is proof that people like you don't hold themselves to the standard of their laughable ideology. The real reason why you aren't offended by the spoilered terms isn't because you're "strong", it's because most of them don't target you. If you don't like being treated with disrespect, then you should learn how to respect others first.
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No.117431
>>117427
Sure anon, you've been so involved yet you don't even know me. But go on and hide your vulnerable ego under a thin layer of civility politics. >>117429 states it beautifully.
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No.117432
>>117429
>>117431
I literally just came into the thread to share my impression, I'm not involved in whatever you're talking about.
>Sure anon, you've been so involved yet you don't even know me
You are not /fur/. The BOARD has done a lot for me in my personal life. Not you. That you mix those things up reveals a lot.
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No.117434
>>117432
>I literally just came into a thread to talk shit with absolutely zero context or understanding of the situation. I qualified my ignorant statement by saying this place means a lot to me, but I haven't lurked enough to see how this BO interacted with people over 4 years or understand the broader context of events on the board.
>I will now contrive some utter nonsense about the BO conflating themself with what the board means to me, because I cannot comprehend how I'm being a reactionary asshole while I literally attack their character over showing an attitude to bigots.
If you're reckless enough to throw your weight behind bigoted cunts don't be surprised when you're treated like one. That said, I don't believe anyone is blind enough to completely miss at least the basic context of this discussion. If you are you should be terrified.
If this board has actually done a lot for you, that's great. Then you should shut your ignorant mouth and let me work.
If you have anything thoughtful to say, you're welcome to. If you're ignorant and seek understanding I will be patient with you. If you defend harm to others I will kick your teeth in. That simple.
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No.117444
>>117434
He wasn't defending "harm to others", he was trying to tell you that you conduct yourself like a fucking twat. I'm surprised you can still shit with how far your head is stuck up your own ass.
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No.117445
>>117444
I’m feeling patient right now, so maybe I’ll hear you out. Show me where Bell’s “conducted himself like a twat” toward anyone who wasn’t asking for it, and maybe we can work something out. As far as I can tell, the only one he’s shown any attitude towards were bigots and people complaining about how he’s treated bigots, who are, quite frankly, completely acceptable targets for patronizing/condescending behavior. But idk maybe I missed or misinterpreted something, so go ahead and give me your side.
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No.117446
>>117432
My point still stands. If someone is mean to you, then it's likely because you're mean to them. Respect is mutual, not parasitic. Have you ever heard of the golden rule?
>>117444
It's pretty funny is how you claim that words are no big deal, yet you've been having an immature tantrum over the fact that an admin told you not to throw an immature tantrum over spoilered slurs.
>>117445
They know that they're in the wrong. It's not about them being "non-offended" or tough because they were very offended for days over Bell telling them not to act like children. It's always been fundamentally about sadistically antagonizing others without repercussion.
That's why they take screencaps and talk about people behind their back. That's why they throw slurs. That's why they're greatly angered over the fact that Bell told them to calm down. Those idiots become greatly hurt over those who say "No." to them.
It wouldn't make a difference if he were nice with them either, because those anti-social types always had an excuse to hurt him.
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No.117449
We are literally banning words right now... I though the porn image "censoring" was OK. but fucking hiding words? (can I swear, btw? Can I say fuck?)
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No.117450
I think I like the admin and all, but can he or someone else please explain to me why we are banning certain words? From what I read it's because it's childish(???)
Isn't swearing inappropriate (and perhaps childish, whatever that means in bell's definition) ? Should we ban swearing words too? unironically I think that would be kinda cool and unique as a board, we should probably ban every mean word.
But banning certain specific words that the admin doesn't like? I think that's bad. Please allow me to test which words are banned
list of potentially offensive words that may or may not be banned according to the admin's pristine moral judgment:
asshole
bastard
bitch
commie
cracker
cunt
fag
😬faggot
😬kike or kyke
nazi
nigga
😬nigger
?nigeria?
redneck
😬retard
😬tranny
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No.117451
>>117450
It looks like you missed some offensive words, Bell. you probably have some work to do, maybe.
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No.117453
>>117449
When in doubt post a vaguely related quote next to a black and white picture of an old white man.
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No.117454
>>117450
>>117451
>>117449
>From what I read it's because it's childish(???)
Don't plagiarize an old 2014 anti-sjw take in a long winded manner, just read the entire thread first from start to finish and use your head.
The reason why some terms are spoilered is because they're exclusively used by a group of bad people (nazis) who commonly stir up trouble. Given how they left after being offended from seeing their words spoilered, it definitely worked.
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No.117456
>>117454
I fucking hate politics so godamn much.
So the reason is to stop "nazis". I though they were a 1940s thing. But I know it's the name you give to people with opposite political views from you, similar to "libtards" or whatever.
Politics is what ruined this board then. fucking politics ruin everything. People identify with a team and try to combat the opposing team, everyone is so divided and convinced their ideas are right. Everything has to be tied to politics, it's depressing. I wish I could just talk about furries with other furries without immidiately knowing what their political compas points to. It's like you people lost your soul, you can all so easily fit into one category or another.
I'm just simply sad at this point. Depressed, even.
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No.117458
>>117456
I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here.
I understand your frustration. I was in your same place just a year or so ago. I think a lot of people are.
Politics isn't some thing I do for fun. I engage it because, through my independent studies over the past year now, I've realized that it isn't something I can escape.
Choosing not to engage in politics isn't an escape. It isn't "apolitical." It just means letting other people decide politics. It means allowing the status quo, however unjust it currently is, to proceed as-is, unchallenged.
I don't want to get into some long post about this right now, but you can check posts like >>117324 or, if you want, we can discuss this privately some time.
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No.117459
>>117456
I get that the label can be thrown incorrectly, but there are people who identify as such.
A primary problem with their self-loathing is that most of them don't keep it to themselves. They use it as an excuse to antagonize or police others with a sense of superiority. They believe that they're getting permanent respect or clout by "being one of the good ones", when in reality, they hurt others for approval of fringe users who will never like them regardless if they disassociate with the fandom or not.
What many of them don't get is that many of their critics are bottom of the barrel people. They're not CEOs or individuals who contribute to society like programmers or activists, they're pessimistic low-achievers who gain satisfaction from sadistically bringing others down.
You don't have to be prideful, but you also don't have to be an obnoxious self-loathing individual that simps for Nazis by whining about degeneracy. The fandom is whatever you make of it and people will emulate your behavior you're a good person who leads by example.
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No.117460
>>117458
>Choosing not to engage in politics isn't an escape. It isn't "apolitical." It just means letting other people decide politics. It means allowing the status quo, however unjust it currently is, to proceed as-is, unchallenged.
As I understand it, in your head the status quo here would be "nazi politics" and so for you this is unacceptable and we have to force another, more acceptable politic which is left-leaning.
When I check the post you mentioned, (I don't know if it yours or not) >>117324 I see how deeply convinced you are of your political team, which in your case would be left-wing politics.
>The point is we're not going to treat bad politics the same as good politics. There's a good reason to restrict nazism and other right-wing politics. Afaik there's no good reason to restrict left-wing politics.
I hope you know at the very least that there is debate to be had about communism being bad, just like nazism is bad, and I also hope that when you say "other right-wing politics" you are not implying all politics which leans on the right side of the politics you support.
>before anyone says politics in general is unrelated to furry, that's wrong.
And I think this is a horrible take. Are you projecting? Maybe you see politics everywhere, maybe it's a central part of your life? I don't. And I know many who don't. Many furry media I love don't have anything related to politics in them, and I even analyzed some of them in academia without bringing out politics, I hope this is not surprising to you.
Politics IS unrelated to furry.
>For example, not including queer characters, or disabled characters, or other characters of other cultures, reinforces mistaken beliefs that such qualities are not as common or relevant as they actually are. Omitting these types of characters is (intentionally or otherwise) just as political as including these types of characters.
Ok I see why you said that now, I have no comments. If you also wrote that post I believe there is no way I am going to learn from you, or you from me.
All I want to say is be aware of political bubbles, they shape how people view the world, unfortunately.
Talking about politics makes me very tired. I have a question for a moderator or for Bell : How can/should we promote our board? If we even should, of course.
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No.117461
We're still working out the logistics of the transition, and especially how to best communicate the major changes to users new and old, but we also recognize that it can be pretty hectic and unclear in the meantime, so we're establishing a temporary Discord server for direct and immediate communication with the staff. We recommend any questions or concerns regarding the transition go there.
We also have a temporary solution for ban appeals set up there as well. We're fully prepared to discuss with any banned users why they were banned and do our best to reach some mutual level understanding and, hopefully, reconciliation.
https://discord.gg/sDNZjHb
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No.117462
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No.117463
>>117462
ok whatever, what if I like CIA? I think they're kinda cool. So I don't care
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No.117464
>>117460
We'll have a containment thread for political debate, and for now, we have the discord server. You're welcome to try and change our views, but until you do so, we will act according to the views we currently hold. It's also not our intention to shut ourselves off from those with differing political views--on the contrary, we intend to reach out to as many people as we can. But, as you said, talking politics is exhausting, and it'll be nice for once to have a space where we can just talk about media we enjoy (i.e. furry media) from our personal perspectives without having to defend the validity of said perspectives, or tolerate views we've determined to be ill-informed and/or harmful.
>How can/should we promote our board? If we even should, of course.
Bell can probably give you a better answer than I could, once he's available to, so I'll leave this to him.
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No.117465
>>117462
If anyone else has concerns then we can consider another option. But Discord is convenient, and considering the temporary, or at least, relatively specific use-case here, I think the concerns are not as relevant here.
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No.117466
I strongly agree with the sfw movement that is happening on this board, but the specific decision to spoil certain words is a bit heavy handed to me. You can always just type in a way to get around it, and it's not the words themselves that are even the issue. Nobody that comes to a furry board to preach eugenics is going to be deterred by the fact that the word 😬nigger is blacked out.
I understand censoring images, but not even tumblr or reddit police language in this way. If you really want to stifle language or ideology, you dilute it with the kind you DO want. This is the real issue, and it always has been imo.
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No.117467
>>117466
>You can always just type in a way to get around it
True, but instead they're throwing hissy fits and possibly even leaving outright, so looks like it's actually done well enough to serve its purpose.
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No.117468
>>117467
Simply making threads/content will do the same thing but will have the added bonus of breathing life into the board. Of course, you can do both, but censoring language is a red flag for people even beyond this image board. It's just not in good taste.
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No.117469
>>117466
>>117468
>Nobody that comes to a furry board to preach eugenics is going to be deterred by the fact that the word 😬😬nigger is blacked out.
In theory, yes. In practice, nope.
Modern nazis always become silent if people vocally oppose them because many of them are insecure individuals who use it as a tough guy persona. You have to be intimidating to them so that they would behave properly. If you're polite with them, then they will attack you repeatedly because they like attacking with easy targets who won't retaliate.
It sounds strange, but you have to interact with them to see their behavior.
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No.117470
>>117469
>Modern nazis always become silent if people vocally oppose them
There is truth here; I understand this. But we are focused too much on the nazi-bad/political correctness agenda. By all means, tell them to fuck off, that's fine, but a potential user coming to the board, seeing censored language, and then leaving forever is something we really do not want. We're on 8chan; a mod being being too heavy handed is something literally nobody wants. And I think censored words crosses the line for a lot of people.
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No.117471
>>117469
>Modern nazis always become silent if people vocally oppose them because many of them are insecure individuals who use it as a tough guy persona. You have to be intimidating to them so that they would behave properly. If you're polite with them, then they will attack you repeatedly because they like attacking with easy targets who won't retaliate.
what??? In what fantasy world are you leaving in you absolute schizophrenic? There's no nazis attacking the board and why are you talking about them as if they were fucking pokemons????
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No.117474
>>117470
>By all means, tell them to fuck off, that's fine, but a potential user coming to the board, seeing censored language, and then leaving forever is something we really do not want.
Does the board really want users who leave forever just because a few slurs were spoilered? They're doing the community a huge favor if they permanently leave. If the word is no huge deal as you claim, then you can easily get by with phrasing yourself differently.
Think hardly about the type of people who care about that specific type of prohibited vocabulary. Leftists don't care at all. Libertarians might object to censors, but they ultimately won't leave permanently over spoilered text. Other groups try their hardest not to be associated with racism/discrimination as it would alienate them from having friends.
It's only Nazis that feel that it's very important to degrade others with that type of language. It's not like if they're the cream of the crop either, they're anti social individuals who have nothing redeemable inside of them.
>>117471
Considering that you claim that they're not here now, it seems that the measures are effective in scaring them away. :^)
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No.117475
I kind of don't get what your goal is here. Do a major political term, freak out about 'Nazis' that don't exist, try to suppress nsfw on what was a fairly nsfw board, and now censoring words. Who is left for you to police? This place is dead, this website is dead, what are you holding onto for enforce. You're being snarky with like to the last 10 people left here when it's not necessary. I can't help but feel like the people agreeing with the BO and volunteers are the same BO and volunteers removing their trip code and posing as fake supporters. It's bizarre to me.
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No.117476
>>117475
>"This board is dead, muh censorship, and you're mean!"
It's pretty embarrassing how you've rephrased that debunked talking point several times in this thread despite the board being alive. Very CCP-like that you can highlight text or click "expand all images".
What astounding is how you complain that people are mean. For saying what? That they don't miss anti-social self-hating losers who can't do anything besides using slurs frequently in places that clearly don't belong in a board about talking animals?
You think that they're being being NICE to minorities whenever they regard them in slurs? If they're rudely addressing them that way, then it's fair for others to make them feel unwelcome too. If they permanently leave over having their slurs spoilered, it's great since the trash filters itself.
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No.117478
>>117474
>>117476
Unless you are trying to attract lunatics such as yourself, yes, you are scaring perfectly normal people with common sense away from our board. I'm not a fucking nazi, quite the opposite, but a board censoring words they don't like on an imageboard is definitely a big red flag >>117470
>>117466 I agree a lot with these posts.
Not even minecraft servers hide words like you do. Not even furaffinity. It's ok to ban or kick out people like >>117477
but censoring specific words like that is just stupid, you are driving away genuinely good posters
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No.117479
>>117477
>unfortunately it will only be because of Nazis.
Quality over quantity. Believe it or not, everyone can live without self-hating failures who can only contribute cringe material and "IS FURRAY DUHGENERATE/GAY/CRINGE?" template threads.
You think you're smart and spehsul for plagiarizing old /pol/ memes in mspaint, but you're actually a dumb, lame, and annoying version of right-wing ecelebs that you try so hard to copy in order to look cool online.
>>117478
>I'm not a fucking nazi
Never accused you of that. Please learn to read. Just stated that Nazis don't belong here.
>but censoring specific words like that is just stupid, you are driving away genuinely good posters
There are no "good posters" that use frequently slurs. Good riddance if they leave.
>Not even minecraft servers hide words like you do. Not even furaffinity.
You're right! They don't hide it, they just ban them without any question. Which is more harsh than seeing spoilered text online.
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No.117480
>>117479
Well I guess I'm not a good poster then>>117479
>Never accused you of that. Please learn to read. Just stated that Nazis don't belong here.
I was referring to the fact that these rules drive me away from this board, if you can believe I'm a "good" poster. I drew Bell art at the time and posted a lot, I was strangely patriotic of our board. I think I can be considered a good poster.
>>117479
>There are no "good posters" that use frequently slurs. Good riddance if they leave.
I sometimes say fag, I think it can be funny, maybe I'm a bad poster for you. I don't like some other words, but I wouldn't dare to impose a ban of my own list of words I don't like because I think posters that use them are all nazis, it's ridiculous.
>You're right! They don't hide it, they just ban them without any question. Which is more harsh than seeing spoilered text online.
If the content of the post violate rule 5 : Don't promote hateful language or politics.
then yes, absolutely, I agree there should be some form of sanction. KEY WORD : content of the post, with context.
But please, please just remove that word censoring feature, there's clearly many people here that are against it. It's very late here and I'm sleepy, I hope I make sense, good night.
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No.117481
>>117480
The problem is that you include yourself even though you're not the type of person that I'm referring too. I'm talking about the extreme cases that use it frequently and antagonize others.
What normal non-discriminatory people do is adapt instead of outright leaving. Mainly because stating slurs isn't their main personality.
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No.117482
>>117476
>You think that they're being being NICE to minorities whenever they regard them in slurs?
Where the hell did this even come from?
>>117479
>but you're actually a dumb, lame, and annoying version of right-wing ecelebs that you try so hard to copy in order to look cool online
Why do you keep insulting him because he thinks it's dumb to put a black box over words?
>There are no "good posters" that use frequently slurs.
That's a hell of an assumption.
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No.117483
>>117482
>Where the hell did this even come from?
I'm not going to throw stones at that particular user since he's a good guy, but it's relating to conduct. If being nice was the goal of community, then it shouldn't foster people who want to disparage others. I get that there are some who use it without any malicious intent, but there's also some that do.
By prohibiting those words, you make the malevolent types feel unwelcome while the chill people switch their language.
>Why do you keep insulting him because he thinks it's dumb to put a black box over words?
I get that it's late at night, but did you even look at the deleted post I've responded to? That particular user didn't say what you've said at all. The deleted post was provocative and had nazi memes.
>That's a hell of an assumption.
It's not unforgivable if you said it previously, but you can live without saying them. No one is holding a gun to your head and telling you to type them or anything. You're not using any of them right now.
I don't see any big deal.
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No.117484
>>117483
I think you specifically are missing the point a little bit. The argument that the hard censoring of words will drive away good posters does not at all hinge on the actual words being censored.
The argument would be the same if the filtered words were things like 'ice cream' or 'jump rope'. Whether or not you can use the words in question during a conversation is irrelevant because the problem is that hard filtered words looks like the BO is working too hard. In driving away 'nazis' we will also accidentally drive away people that just don't like over eager moderation.
Make a rule about it, kick them out, delete their threads; there are numerous other, more palatable, actions that could be taken instead that would convey the same message.
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No.117485
>>117481
>The problem is that you include yourself even though you're not the type of person that I'm referring too.
Yes because you are driving away users like me! We don't want to drive away good users!
>I'm talking about the extreme cases that use it frequently and antagonize others.
well then, for those extreme, unusual cases, simply banning them for a period of time for violating rule 5 would be enough.
>What normal non-discriminatory people do is adapt instead of outright leaving. Mainly because stating slurs isn't their main personality.
Really? Stating slurs is not my main personality, but seeing the direction the board is going, I'm about to leave, call me not-normal if you want.
Again, hiding specific words that you don't like is a terrible idea.
Please, Bell, rethink this decision.
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No.117486
>>117484
First off, thanks for giving your perspective here; it's helpful in developing the new policies either way.
Now, while I understand the logic of your concern, I'm not sure how much of an impact that really has, or if there aren't other ways to mitigate the negative impact it may have (other than throwing out the policy entirely). I'd think that, as long as the community is free to discuss (in its proper place) the implementation of such policies (i.e. what kind of language should be censored or should be allowed, and why). They may be strong policies/enforcements, sure, but discussion, dissent, and feedback are allowed and taken into full consideration and properly addressed, and I feel like that balances it out just fine.
>>117485
You're welcome to try and make us "like" those "specific words." If you don't understand why we "don't like" those words, let me try and give a brief, clear explanation. 1. They add nothing to th conversation, and while that can be said of a lot of words, there's also the fact that 2. many marginalized communities are in majority agreeance that they are harmful words that just should not be used or tolerated.
We're open to unspoilering words provided you can offer a compelling argument that the reasons stated for censoring them are not valid--likewise we are open to spoilering other words provided you can offer a compelling argument to do so. We promise to fully allow, and even encourage, such discussion, as long as it stays in its place (i.e. not leaking into unrelated threads). That's what makes this fair.
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No.117488
So based on some discussion that was had in the discord, we've decided to adjust/clarify our position on word spoilering.
Spoilering words is our current implementation of our new policy against bigoted and/or needlessly alienating language. Another way to implement that policy, without spoilering words, would be to address individual posts on a case-by-case basis; currently the issue is too widespread, and our staff too limited, to implement it that way.
But some important points were raised, and following the discussion from the discord, we've decided to acknowledge those points and take them into consideration with policy implementation current and ongoing.
1. Many popular online social environments do not do any kind of spoilering/censoring of such words, so assuming we can get a general attitude and/or staff to the level of said environments, this spoilering is probably unnecessary and unhelpful.
2. Imageboard culture has mutated some of these words (e.g. "drawfag") to the point that they arguably do not carry the same harmful connotation.
3. Slurs still have arguably acceptable usage in satire or at least in literature. Where the usage of the slur is clearly separated from the views/speech of the author themselves, its usage may be more positive than negative, and thus worth preserving there.
So we've decided to actively monitor the situation to consider lifting the spoilers once the general board culture has changed to have more self-moderation and/or we get the kind of staff size we need to moderate on a more case-by-case basis.
We encourage other users to join the discord at https://discord.gg/sDNZjHb to view the discussion in full and/or weigh in themselves.
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No.117519
>>117488
Discord link expired
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No.117532
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No.117847
I'm getting a strange error from 8kun/fur/ when I open it on Chrome, that I never had. Some images won't load or go into this constant posting cycle that restarts every time it hits 73% and fails to spoil images 4 times out of 5. and now is preventing me from posting more than 1 image, like it's 4chan or someshit. I've re-set my router, cleared my cookies, reset and redid my site settings, made sure nothing was blocked, nada, nothing is working.
Firefox has the site working perfectly, but adblockers don't function right there and pop-up virus-ads are a given. Pic related is test screencap of said image limit
Pls Help
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No.117848
>>117532
>>117519
I'd mention that Discord is fed-bait but so is 8kun TBH
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No.117999
Why are the following threads anchored? They're valid content and even if the OP is a fag, if they're not doing anything bad there isn't a problem right?
Kobold Adventure >>105504
While the OP and his cronies have been assmad about "censoring" (which is idiotic, given the text-focused nature of Kobold Adventure) other posters may want to view the thread and since we lack an archive, when it falls off, the thread is gone.
Bad Dragon >>42992 The thread is not near bump limit, is not an image dump and does not possess cubshit, and is a discussion thread of sex toys of furry nature. I personally have 0 stake in this, but it's just an example of a thread that shouldn't be anchored. If it falls off the board, it would be a loss of a lot of content, including recipes, links, advice, and other posts that are missing in the other toy threads.
>>117723 is a content-less duplicate thread and >>117023 has had no new content in 3 months. It would be fairly easy to just move the content from smaller threads to the BD one, and let it reach bumplock and sink on its own over time.
Straight Furry >>110187
While technically a minor set of dumps, its actually got some conversation and its fairly harmless, given that most posts are essentially naked pinup drawings and lewder ones are spoilered for the most part since the rules changed.
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No.118000
>>117999
trips demand these threads be unlocked
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No.118004
>>117999
>>117488
The only thing this is going to do is drive more people away from /fur/ a already small board
This silly censoring rule is stupid
Same with you just randomly deleting threads
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No.118005
>>117486
>I'd think that, as long as the community is free to discuss (in its proper place) the implementation of such policies (i.e. what kind of language should be censored or should be allowed, and why). They may be strong policies/enforcements, sure, but discussion, dissent, and feedback are allowed and taken into full consideration and properly addressed, and I feel like that balances it out just fine.
First you come for words
Censoring the words like I said previously isn't going to work and it's dumb why are you trying to make a safe for work furry board without swearing I can go to e621 and get the same experience
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No.118007
>>118005
Well actually the word censoring (most of it) has been revoked
>>118004
TBH MOST of the threads Bell deleted were literal spam or had like 20 shit posts and no actual content. The only one I'm mad about losing is the Cats thread.
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No.118011
>>118007
Start a Json effects thread I'll wait or any 621 Thread about drama oh wait you can't there's no discussion allowed about it anymore thanks to Bell and his 😬retarded fucking stupid 😬nigger 😬faggot Brigade
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No.118012
>>118007
And why are any words censored this whole point of this site the whole point of 8kun was to be better than 4chan no censoring no Gods no Kings no Masters
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No.118013
>>118011
>Thread about drama oh wait you can't there's no discussion allowed about it anymore
<ignores the several drama threads
Ok fаg. Thanks for the weird pic at least
>>118012
Ya might want to rework that grammar m8, just a bit. It's a little bothersome to parse.
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No.118015
>>118013
>ignore
Wrong
What I said was exactly
>Start a jasonafex thread I'll wait or any e621 Thread about drama oh wait you can't there's no discussion allowed about it anymore thanks to Bell
I really should have changed it to start any e621 or Jasonafex thread and then in three days expect it to be deleted or anchored
And
>Ya might want to rework that grammar m8, just a bit. It's a little bothersome to parse.
Listen here you loathsome little cunt I care because I've been on this board for the last 2 to 3 years and I've seen it in the last Almost 6 months just go down the shiter because of Bell and him going on a spree deleting threads including the furry confessional thread which was going on for two years I should know since I was the one that goddamn started it
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No.118016
>>117999
Fuck you Bell you only care about preserving certain threads that confessional thread was fucking great and you ruined it and you took it away from us so fuck you again I hope you're fucking board dies like it currently is
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SO I'M SITTIN THERE READIN THE NEWS
>WHAT?!
WASHINGTON TIMES
>WHAT?!
NEW YORK TIMES
>WHAT?!
NEW YORK POST
>WHAT?!
HUFFINGTON POST
>WHAT?!
AND THEY ALL GOT THE SAME NARRATIVE
>WHAT?!
THE SAME STORY
>WHAT?!
EVERYWHERE YA CHECK
>WHAT?!
THEY TALK ABOUT THE SIX MILLION
>WHAT?!
AND I SAYS TO MYSELF, STEVE
>WHAT?!
SIX MILLION
>WHAT?!
I SAID SIX MILLION
>WHAT?!
SIX MILLION, NOW THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT
>WHAT?!
THE LOGISTICS
>WHAT?!
THE DEATH TOLL PER DAY
>WHAT?!
IT DON'T ADD UP
>WHAT?!
SO I ASKS MYSELF TRULY
>WHAT?!
STEVE
>WHAT?!
I SAID STEVE
>WHAT?!
HOW IN THE HELL IS THE HOLOCAUST REAL
>WHAT?!
AND I REALIZE IT'S A LIE
>WHAT?!
A FIB
>WHAT?!
A HALF-TRUTH USED TO MANIPULATE EMOTIONS AND JUSTIFY THE NATION OF ISRAEL
>WHAT?!
SO OLD STONE COLD IS PUTTIN' OUT A MESSAGE
>WHAT?!
NEXT TIME STONE COLD LAYS HIS EYES ON ONE OF YOU
>WHAT?!
WITH YOUR BIG NOSES
>WHAT?!
AND YOUR BEADY LITTLE EYES
>WHAT?!
YOU BETTER WATCH OUT
>WHAT?!
'CAUSE I'M GONNA STOMP A MUD HOLE
>WHAT?!
AND HIT YOU WITH THE OL' STONE COLD STUNNER
>WHAT?!
AND I'M GONNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS
>WHAT?!
THAT THE HOLOCAUST IS A HOLOHOAX
>WHAT?!
AND THATTT'S THE BOTTOM LINE... CAUSE STONE COLD SAID SO
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No.118017
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No.118018
>>118011
Abandon 8kun. Not just /fur/, but all of 8kun. There are other, better, less-buggy imageboards out there, though Bell deletes mentions to them. Bell might even delete this post!
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No.118020
>>118018
>Bell deletes them
Posting bait OPs with sketchy links is not a good look
>better imageboards
Like 3ch that actively doesn't work? Or maybe all the other fed-chans?
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No.118030
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No.118054
Uh hello? Mods? Can anyone 'in power' address the request in >>117999 ?
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No.118151
Is it just me or did a bunch of threads get pruned for no reason at all?
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No.118467
looks like we got knocked off the front page, and by /furry/ no less. . .
it's about to get even quieter around here.
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No.118527
>>118467
>/furry/
<the board that is absolutely dead and is just made up of 2 posters still assmad over some stupid rules that don't apply to 90% of posts anyway
LOL
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No.118595
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No.118596
>>118000
>>117999
Double trips demand it more
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No.118832
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No.119074
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No.119400
>>119074
Boards still alive (barely) but mods are fags. The "muh freedumz" gits got what they wanted.
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No.119991
So I assume Bell is gone and so are all the mods then
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No.120102
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No.120121
>>120102
I want to duck snoop dick
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No.120122
>>120102
I want to have intercourse with the musky hell husky
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No.120123
>>120122
I want to penetrate the inverted flesh pupper
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No.120124
>>120123
I desire the act of sexual intercourse with the creepypasta defined by red tones, huskies, and human teeth
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No.120126
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No.120127
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No.120130
lmao mayt is such a tryhard
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